Cleveland Police Union Boss Wants Emergency Suspension Of Constitutional Rights

Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Steve Loomis
Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President Steve Loomis on Sunday asked Ohio Gov. John Kasich to suspend the state’s open carry laws for the Republican National Convention. (Cory Shaffer, cleveland.com)
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USA –  -(Ammoland.com)- The Cleveland Police union boss has made an emergency request to suspend open carry for the duration of the Republican convention inside parts of the City of Cleveland.

“We are sending a letter to Gov. Kasich requesting assistance from him. He could very easily do some kind of executive order or something — I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,” Cleveland Police Union president Stephen Loomis told CNN.

Once more powers that be want to target honest gun owners, if the police union boss really does not care about our rights, why doesn’t he want to suspend the right to free speech and shut down all the protesters.

If it is really about safety, why target law abiding gun owners, why not everyone. Bad people don’t follow laws and anyone that wants to kill cops or shoot conservatives will not follow an order that suspend our rights and they will bring guns no matter what. This requests would only effect people that follow the law in the first place.

Ohio’s open carry laws allow anyone without a felony record to carry guns in the state, including in downtown Cleveland, but not inside the U.S. Secret Service security zone around Quicken Loans Arena, where the RNC will be held Monday through Thursday.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich responded saying that Ohio governors don’t have the power to arbitrarily suspend federal and state constitutional rights or laws.

  • 98 thoughts on “Cleveland Police Union Boss Wants Emergency Suspension Of Constitutional Rights

    1. Everyone should take note, this is what we can expect from those who take an oath with no intention of keeping it.
      Once they have the power it goes to their head.

      1. Ed and dontgothere,

        Since he’s the president of the patrolman’s association, I would assume that he’s either a cop or a former cop.

        1. My elf ain’t that kind of elf. And yes I DO carry.. Mother May I Card and all., Everywhere. Every day, All the time And goons like this corrupt union boss are part of why.

          1. You said it! All legal citizens should carry everywhere they are allowed. I hate going to the V.A. or the Post Office because the law says no. I actually feel somewhat uncomfortable in these places, realizing that one crazed person could wipe-out dozens of people. So, I go home as-soon-as I’m finished and get my piece.

    2. The police higher ups who want this will -not could, not might, but WILL- grossly abuse and overreach their authority and try to keep it in place if anyone was stupid enough to give in to this demand! Terminate every single one of them who demands this, and watch the civil rights violations complaints against cops drop dramatically!

      1. The individual in question is the head of the Cleveland police union, not a ‘police higher up’. He cannot be fired, unless by the police membership. Even if he were terminated, what in the world does that have to do with civil rights violations against police officers dropping?

        1. Police unions are the ones who “come to the defense” of out of line cops, those who abuse their authority on a regular basis. They (the unions) are the ones who cover up, hide evidence, spread lies, and refuse to allow citizens to hold THEIR hired police to account for abuse. Thus the unions ARE behind the lion’s share of police abuse. He is kept in place by the union members who vote him in as their chief.

          The answer is for police departments to end union “representation”. It CAN be done. That can only happen by the residents of cities getting laws enacted that strip the unions of all authority in any cases of police misconduct. Or, to go one step better, end the entire practice of union representation for all law enforcement employees and management. Only then will citizens again have direct influence on their law enforcement personnel. At present, the unions run the show, citizens do not. Funny, the norm in all commercial transactions is this: he who pays the piper calls the tune. Citizens pay, but have no voice. Didn’t we fight a war a few years ago over taxation without representation?

          1. Does anyone know what Union is represented here? Please tell me t is not the Service Employees International Union, SEIU. The same one that pored so much union money into the Obama campaign.

      1. I think you mean the “New BLACK Panthers.” They’re the ones who have been making all the noise. Problem for them is they won’t be allowed inside the Secret Service exclusion zone with their guns.

    3. He wants an arbitrary suspension of the 2A during the convention only ? That idiot Kasich will probably cave too. It’s amazing to me when people want to make people defenseless at a time when we need firearms the most.

        1. Hey fool, open carry is PART of the 2nd amendment! It says “right to bear arms shall NOT be infringed”, that means open or concealed.

    4. Now is NOT the time to set a “precedent”.
      When the bad actors begin acting up, police and good citizens will respond appropriately.
      Our Constitution is “The Law of the Land”, and needs to be preserved as such.

      1. Our Constitution is actually not the “Law of the land”, but rather a fairly explicit set of limitations on the Federal and State governments. The rights expressed in the Constitution were your rights before the Constitution was ever written. They are the rights of every human, regardless of the government they live under. That’s why our Founders were so adamant about limiting the government and restraining the growth of tyranny. This twatwaffle in Cleveland and the Governor can suspend whatever they want, your rights and mine remain in force and intact.
        The question is: do we roll over and submit, or do we stand and resist tyranny? If we resist, some of us will die and so will some of them.

        1. You are absolutely correct !! Explained perfectly. Too many ignorant comments on this thread. Some need to think before they hit send or not send at all .

        2. “The United States Constitution is the supreme law of the United States of America.[1] The Constitution, originally comprising seven articles, delineates the national frame of government. Its first three articles entrench the doctrine of the separation of powers, whereby the federal government is divided into three branches: the legislative, consisting of the bicameral Congress; the executive, consisting of the President; and the judicial, consisting of the Supreme Court and other federal courts. Articles Four, Five and Six entrench concepts of federalism, describing the rights and responsibilities of state governments and of the states in relationship to the federal government. Article Seven establishes the procedure subsequently used by the thirteen States to ratify it.”

      1. Just keep the radicals out of the convention hall and out of the roads,streets,frwy’s. For whatever reason they always like to play in the streets and impede traffic.

    5. Well lets see it is Law abiding gun owners who are protecting our Officers and the Black Panthers are coming armed..Do u think they will be civil?..But take away Law abiding American Citizens right to defend u and ourselves against these kind of thugs..Brilliant…U want Americans to turn on Officers???…Well we won’t because only a arse like u would make this request!!!

    6. F*CK YOU! So you want to surrender the PUBLIC SAFETY of LAW ABIDING citizens in favor of CRIMINALS who by their very nature WILL NOT follow the laws of Our Nation? F*ck You, Sir, F*CK YOU! We WILL REFUSE to comply everywhere in OUR Country the unlawful attempts to strip us of Our Constitutional Rights.

    7. 1. This is not the “Cleveland Police”.

      2. He also said this:

      “The president of the Untied States validated a false narrative and the nonsense that Black Lives Matter and the Media are pressing out there to the public — He validated with his very divisive statements And now we see an escalation.

      This has got to end.

      We need some leadership in this country to come forward and put an end to this.

      I don’t care if it’s clergy or who it is but somebody has to step up and put an end to this. It’s false narrative and people politicizing the false narrative that we have a President of the United States and the governor of Minnesota making a statement less than one day after the police involved shootings.

      Those police involved shootings are what absolutely has triggered in rash of senseless murders of law enforcement officers across the country. It is reprehensible.

      The president has blood on his hands and it will not be able to come washed off…

      How the hell did we ever become the bad guys in this country? I can not imagine how we got here. It is the irresponsible reporting of the media and irresponsible statements from people who are credible – like the president, like celebrities.”

      Google: Cleveland Police Association President Steve Loomis: Obama “Has Blood On His Hands”

      Whoops, not sure what to think now, huh?

    8. Notice that this was the Police “UNION BOSS” who wants to have the constitution suspended. This is guy is likely a Socialist with a Socialist agenda. Someone who loves the constitution would never suggest something like this.

    9. Executive Orders are the new tool for diminishing your freedom. Barry set the example with his “I’ve got my pen” comment. These politicians have set you up with comments like “The pen is mightier than the sword”. If that’s true why do they want to take your guns? Azzholes!

      1. Barry Hussein is a traitor at the highest of levels and should hang from a damn tree in that $hithole DC for all to see.

    10. The Marxist strategy in action. Yea, lets play right into the hands of the Communists who are stealing our country from under our feet. Brilliant move.

    11. Time to outlaw government employee unions. They have clearly demonstrated, time and again, that they are no friends of liberty. That fat bastard ought to be horsewhipped, tarred and feathered, and run out of town on a rail

    12. Like the criminals and “would be shooters” are going to respect the law anyway. These people are what’s wrong with America.

    13. The police in Cleveland can ID people OC’ing and make sure they have valid ID and credentials. They would also get many,many ‘prohibited persons’ of the streets. If the Africans want to yell racism let them yell, while they ‘take the ride’ !

    14. IF he’s going to get the Supreme Law of the land changed, which breaks the U.S. Constitutional and Ohio state law, THEN people going to the RNC may as well take their OPEN CARRY guns, because if to carry a gun is “breaking a law”, but that law already breaks the (Supreme) law, then the ultimate outcome of two negatives is a positive.

      That is to say, in this case two wrongs WOULD equal a right. And therefore, the right thing to do would still be to OPEN CARRY one’s gun.

    15. I wonder who he donated to in 2008 & 2012 elections. I have a feeling it was @[email protected].

    16. “I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point,”… come on, be honest, you don’t care if anything is Constitutional and you haven’t ever cared a bit about people having rights you big fat tax-feeding pig.

    17. In the choice between suspending constitutional rights, and following one’s orders, the only choice available is to GO HOME.
      Just as the only choice when a soldier is given an immoral order, is to refuse to obey it.
      Just as the only choice when an officer is given an immoral order, is to resign your commission.

    18. Loomis, as a rule I fully support our men and women in Law Enforcement fully and unconditionally. I and many, many others consider them our Brothers in Arms. We’d step up to protect them in a heartbeat.
      In THIS specific instance, your request to violate (or “suspend”) ANY duly enacted law, regulation, right or liberty smacks BIG TIME of a leader who has NO CLUE how to lead. You’re “president” of your union. I can’t begin to imagine how in the hell that happened.
      Here’s a clue for you, Loomis. Let’s suspend your unlimited trips to the desert bar. Get your ass to the gym. Get a personal trainer whose first assistance is removing your head from that aforementioned ass. Then….
      LEAVE YOUR CITIZENS ALONE!

    19. Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President Steve Loomis believes that government power is superior to the Civil Rights of Individuals. That is a stunningly ignorant, dangerous, and eventually tyrannical belief.

    20. It is quite evident union boss thugs have always sided with the Marxist democrats. Republicans also traitors to constitution . How is it law enforcement and military all complicit in false flag events??Treason abounds wake up become active educate participate. http://www.Conventionofstates http://www.Krissannhall nullification.
      The one world order cabal will stop at nothing to gain complete control. Divinci said challenge question enquire but never follow accepted wisdom. We got here because good people followed accepted wisdom!!!!

    21. the Constitution is the Supreme Law in all of the US there fore no law can suspend it as it would be inferior to it .There is nothing wrong with corrupt politicians ending up dead there is nothing wrong with jack booted thugs with zero grey matter between their ears and wearing bllue Halloween costumes ending up dead i encourage people to kill the cops before they kill you as we have seen now in countless videos they have no problem shooting the innocent defenseless civilians

    22. I think this is telling about police departments, and their related associations, in that since they are now elected by the people and are mayoral appointees, they don’t service the Constitution as a Sheriff would.

    23. @rick First, Steve Loomis is the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President. Second, by what logic do you get from a union president’s foolish ravings to “… kill the cops…”? Third, you do not even limit it to bad cops or the cops that come to your door to take away your guns. Finally, I don’t think that you will convince anyone on this site to do your dirty work for you.

    24. @ Larry, At the time of the union election, no one knew that Loomis would advocate such a foolish position. Maybe Loomis is in other respects a skillful representative of the unions members. One still can’t logically jump from Steve Loomis puts his foot in his mouth to kill all cops because someone calling themselves rick says to.

    25. If you read my post I said he would probably cave. Keep in mind,Kasich is an idiot ! (He’s the moron that cast the deciding vote on the ’94 assault weapons ban,making Bill Clinton very happy )The 2A is why we have Open Carry at all. If you want to nit pick and split hairs fine ! Whatever flops your mop !

    26. At least the people of Ohio got to see that idiot Kasich on the national stage in his ridiculous attempt to become president. Maybe they will re-evaluate their position on whether or not they need this fool as governor. Kasich cast the deciding vote for the ’94 assault weapons ban making Bill Clinton very happy. I read the last sentence of the article and I said Kasich might cave,not that he did. I still think the tick bit fool could cave too.

    27. @Bill,when Loomis said “I don’t really care if it’s constitutional or not”,(might not be verbatim) those words might/should come back to haunt him.

    28. @Tex, you could not be more right. Those words will come back to haunt him. He has given lots of ammunition to his future opponents.

    29. Pay ATTENTION…OPEN CARRY means you may have a HOLSTERED weapon on your person that is not concealed…You may have a SLUNG long-gun on your shoulder…That does not mean you may walk around with an AK-47 loaded at “THE READY”…The police chiefs need to publicly, loudly clearly state what the specific requirements are…Those that open carry rifle can and should be kept in special protest areas and watched closely,,,thru a scope attached to a police rifle.

    30. Any public servant that takes a sworn oath to uphold the Constitution & later violates his sworn oath, especially when making a comment such as (…”I don’t care if it’s constitutional or not at this point”…) is a man of vile & base character and should be immediately removed from his position.

    31. This is what is lacking in the police departments Nationwide. They think that their job does not include getting their hands dirty, taking responsibility, confronting danger in the face, or compassion for the citizens, and they don’t understand what their oath really means. They are employees and do what they think is their job as outlined in their union contract or their “job description” published by their employers. Today its cops on the street afraid of their own shadows and shoot or react in other ways out of fear. I’m an old school cop and cops who make statements like this guy would never have made it past the training stage. codeforeblog.com

    32. Cleveland Police Union Boss Wants Emergency Suspension Of Constitutional Rights
      A “Union Boss” can’t do this…but…just the thought of this and that someone has actually said it…is a seed planted, that if nurtured by the uninformed or downright dumb…could grow into a martial law situation.

    33. If this union thug (his primary function, regardless of his official duties) is such a big fan of a politician taking unconstitutional actions, I suggest the governor start by firing THIS fatass on the charge of being a statist and idiot. I would approve of Ohio spending millions of dollars putting this guy through the (il)legal wringer, just to give him a taste of what he demands for the proles. If there was such a thing as an “illegal defense funds”, I’d contribute, just to do my small part to make his life miserable.

    34. Union boss = Democrat operative = Hillary Clinton supporter = why you should not belong to any of these union organizations.

    35. Just another Coward and Traitor. Him of all people should know it’s not the legal gun owner he needs to worry about. Why don’t he just ask the criminals to leave their guns at home. What an idiot!!!!

    36. And this idiot said, I don’t know the law but Kasich could/should suspend Open carry…And he is head of a police union, maybe a former cop..

    37. The problem isn’t people carrying openly. You can keep an eye on people carrying openly. The problem is people carrying concealed weapons with evil intent.
      The man is a fool.

    38. Rkirka: How old are you amigo; twelve? Firing someone due to being a ‘statist and idiot’? Here is a clue: HE WAS ELECTED BY UNION MEMBERS AND CAN ONLY BE FIRED/REPLACED BY THE UNION. Look in the mirror to find a REAL ‘statist and idiot’.

    39. Let us take a moment and envision that the governor actually suspended the permits and reciprocity for all permitted carriers. Who do you think is going to enforce that edict………………….(jeopardy theme playing)…………TIMES UP!
      The correct answer is………THE COPS. Yes, dear supporters of your local sheriff, etc. Those same grand blue lives that get all that worship will be the ones who come to disarm you, what then? They won’t, you say. Well, I bet the people of Nawlins’ may have thought the same thing until the C.O.P. said “No one will be allowed to have weapons”.
      Think about it. It was German cops that rounded up the jews and all the other “undesirables”. Take it to court, they say. To a court controlled by the same government lackies that just took your guns and left you and your family defenseless. Yeah, thanks. I feel much better now.

    40. in the 60 and 70’s we had assassination after assassination ,, riot after riot ,, the real black panthers ,, and not once did we have to SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION

    41. “SUSPEND” constitutional rights?” Exactly whose rights would be suspended, and who could possibly have that kind of unbridled power? The chaos that would ensue is impossible to even guess. You can be assured of one thing though…..suspend constitutional rights for one group, and all others will rightfully assume they have been suspended for ALL! This is not a foolish concept………it is plain idiotic!

      The people with legitimate permits to possess and carry weapons(firearms) far out number those that would think they could come and take said permits and firearms. The worst war this country ever fought was the Civil War. Do we really want to even IMAGINE another? No part of our Constitution can be ‘Suspended,” without that as a possible outcome. It will begin with just ONE citizen saying “NO!”

    42. While few paid attention , the communists made huge inroads into the fabric of American Life!
      In 2012 they had the power to have Obama ‘re-elected’. Presently, but quietly, they will continue the communist agenda by attempting to place the socialist/progressive/communist candidate into power.

      Subterfuge……offer a big salary, but demand obedience! It’s no different than selling your soul!

      Just like the Clintons did!

      1. No, no, let him continue eating and drinking just as he has been, and the next article about him will be in the obituary column. I’d send him a case of cigarettes if I knew that he would use them. Eat up, drink up, and smoke up, Steve Loomis!

    43. The chief was wrong to ask for illegal suspension of gun rights. however it’s an old story and Gov. Kasich did NOT suspend our right to carry because he did not have the authority to do so.

    44. It is an honorable position. He has soiled it and failed his oath. He needs to be dismissed. There must be qualified people available who can handle the responsibility.

      1. @Dave, President Steve Loomis is pres. of a union. I don’t think that he takes an oath. I don’t know if he has done anything wrong under the Cleveland Police Patrolman’s Association rules. I don’t know if the CPPA can remove Loomis other than electing someone else next time. Or maybe they could take him to Arby’s for breakfast, lunch, and dinner everyday!

    45. Suspend it all you want there fat man…it won’t do any good, for those of us who know – and take very seriously – our Constitutional rights, don’t give a shit about unconstitutional edicts passed by elected or unelected ‘officials’ that have no business altering the rights we bear as citizens. Advice for you; lay off the double whoppers with cheese.

    46. @wild bill. Union Officials are elected from within the ranks. All Officers are sworn to uphold the Law of the Land (Constitution). Which part of “Shall not be infringed” are you confused about?

      1. @Dave, Well, I am not confused about the “…shall not be infringed…” part at all. I suspect that we probably share a similar view of it. But I am confused about the rules of that particular police union, specifically: Do the members lot the CPPA have the power to “dismiss” their union president during his term? If so, what is that mechanism? Or can the CPPA only rid themselves of their union president by not electing him next time.

    47. So if someone grabbed him and threw him in a cell, it should be ok since he doesn’t care about constitutional rights.

    48. Note to Mr Loomis:

      There are a bunch of things I too “wish” for. Poor me, I do not get them either. MEanwhile, the convention has been held, and in so far as I know, there was no discharge of weapons by anyone.

    49. Loomis says he was born in Milwaukee but was born in Toledo. The man is sick and needs to go on down the road. 95%patrol officer Union despise this fool.

    50. GOOD MAN… About time a politician does what he thinks and knows is ryte instead of just doing whatever they think they can get away with … AWESOME ALL OTHER POLITICIANS SHOULD TAKE NOT OF WHAT OHIO’S GOOD MAN IS SAYING AND DOING!!!

    51. I feel for the guy, though I cannot quite reach him. Otherwise, now and then I too have the odd wet dream of power, dreams that remain unfullfilled.

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