Why It’s Total Bullsh#t You Don’t Join the NRA

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By Tom McHale

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Tom McHale

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- About 14 years ago, my wife and soulmate said something I disagreed with. So I divorced her. As if that wasn’t enough, about a week later, my kid got a detention at school. So I sold him into a life of slavery with Tusken Raider Sand People. My actions may sound harsh, but I have principles.

There are certain issues where I simply won’t compromise!

What? You think that’s harsh? Or maybe ridiculous? You’d be right. But that’s exactly the argument I hear from people all the time when the proudly tell me they will never join the NRA again. Ever. So there.

By the way, although I did sell my kid to Tusken Sand People, I didn’t really divorce my wife. We just resolved our disagreement like adults and are continuing to live happily ever after.

Back to the NRA issue.

I get that the NRA sometimes does things we don’t agree with. Sometimes, they make mistakes. Other times, they’re playing long term chess, and may make a short-term move because they have no other option or because it’s step one of a longer term strategy.[like supporting Harry Reid to block Chuck Schumer as head of the senate.]

It’s easy for us to sit on the sidelines and throw stones and yell about how they should never compromise, ever. That kind of strategy sounds great on paper but rarely works out in your favor in real life. Think about the years 2008 through 2010. President Stompy Feet had full control of the United States Government. Oval Office, House, and Senate.

Do you really want to pick a no compromise fight when your opponent holds all the high cards?

But I’m not here to defend the NRA – they tick me off too sometimes, and I’m sure I tick them off on occasion. I’m here to discuss how the real world of politics works, whether you like the NRA or not.

Wayne Lapierre
But Wayne Lapierre & the NRA just want my money! …(duh yeah, to fight the 100's of millions of $$ the other side gets from Bloomberg and Soros for FREE)

We’ve got four groups of government gnomes to worry about when it comes to protection of gun rights: The executive branch (President Rhetoric or whoever is in office at the time and all the minions that work for the Prez), The Judicial (Supreme, Federal and local courts), Congress (House and Senate), and of course state and local government. For this discussion, we’ll focus on Congress and state and local representatives as that’s the NRA’s main playground.

Yeah, they get involved in legal actions, but quite frankly, organizations like the Second Amendment Foundation are far more successful (and aggressive) in the court system.

So when it comes to influencing legislation, we have to remember one thing about elected officials. All they care about, without exception, is getting re-elected. They spend their days, night and weekends worrying about how many people love them and how many hate them. There’s always another election around the corner.

When they take a meeting with someone from the NRA or any other organization, you can probably guess the first question that Congress-Critter asks.

That’s right. “How many members do you have now?”

They’re not stupid. If someone from some podunk gun rights organization that has seven members waltzes in, that politician could care less. It doesn’t matter how pure that organizations positions are.

However, if Uncle LaPierre sashays in and says, “Well, we added 2 million new members last quarter,” you can bet your bippy our favorite re-election marathon competitors are going to take notice. Heck, they’ll probably offer to wax Wayne’s Suburban.

Right now, the NRA has about 5 million members give or take. There are somewhere around 90 million gun owners in the U.S. That means just over 5% of gun owners forked over $35 to sign up. I know it’s a fantasy but just imagine for a second what life might be like if every gun owner was a member of the NRA. I can pretty much guarantee that your local politicians would drive your kids to school and deliver supper to your house – daily. On a national level, our Senators and Congressmen would flock to the NRA Annual Meeting in droves to volunteer and hand out donuts. Heck, they’d give Congressional Gold Medals to every employee of the NRA home office.

I know that’s a pipe dream, but 10 million members is not. Heck, if only the people who refuse ever to join the NRA because they have some past gripe with them, grew up, held their nose, and renewed, we’d get to 10 million members in a heartbeat.

To be serious for a moment, I’d stand behind the statement that if the NRA had 10 million members, we’d never hear a credible member of Congress so much as whisper something like “common sense gun legislation.” Yeah, crazy Aunt Dianne out in California would still rant and rave, but she wouldn't have any votes. We certainly wouldn’t be facing the constant battles that we do now.

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The bottom line is this: If you don’t grow up and send the NRA a lousy $25 bucks, (Discount NRA Membership) you’re exacerbating the problem. If you’re too angry at the NRA to know what “exacerbating” means, think along the lines of “you’re making our gun control fight harder than it needs to be.”

Yes, there are lot’s of gun rights organizations out there doing great work, and I urge you to support them. But when it comes to influencing legislation, our best bet is to grow the NRA membership number. The more members they have, the more Congress pays attention to whatever it is they have to say, and the more they can take a “no compromise” approach.

By the way, I really didn’t sell my kid to Tusken Sand People. That would be as ridiculous as refusing to support our best chance at stopping all this nonsensical gun control legislation.


Tom McHale is the author of the Insanely Practical Guides book series that guides new and experienced shooters alike in a fun, approachable, and practical way. His books are available in print and eBook format on Amazon. You can also find him on Google+, Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest.

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  • 117 thoughts on “Why It’s Total Bullsh#t You Don’t Join the NRA

    1. I was working on an EPL membership, paying my quarterly $25 payments every three months. I got on my computer to make my next payment. My account on their website said I had a yearly membership, however on my previous payments my account clearly said EPL. I sent three e-mails, each about a week apart, asking them to fix the problem. I never heard back from them. The first e-mail was polite, the next two were i increasingly angry. After the third e-mail was sent, I checked to see if my status was fixed. Not only was it not fixed, my account was deleted. so this is how they handle there own screw ups.

      When the NRA bumped me down to yearly, my magazine subscription went from EPL to expiring a year and a half down the road. I gave up on these incompetent idiots after the third e-mail. A few months later I got to thinking about how they screwed me out of the EPL membership, I got mad all over again, I checked my e-mail to see if I got a response from them. Not one word. So I sent them an actual letter along with my membership card telling them what they can do with it and to never send any more literature whining for more money for a membership or for any other reason. My magazine subscription stopped 15 months earlier than what the printed address label on my latest magazine stated.

      They are constantly soliciting for memberships and donations so that they can continue the fight and they pull garbage like this. How are they going to continue if they keep screwing people over? I know I can’t be the only one.

      If I could give zero stars to the NRA, I would. They certainly don’t deserve even one star.

    2. The NRA has grown fat and lazy, in large part because most of its members aren’t really activists, they joined just for the bragging rights. And because the sheeple naturally think the best organization to join is the one that’s the largest and most conspicuous. So there’s too few of us holding their feet to the fire.

      So it grows ever larger, not because its performance merits it, but because its size itself creates its own positive reinforcement loop.

      Gun activists as a group are largely a conservative lot so they should understand the importance of the effect of competition on any corporate venture’s infrastructure, on its need to remain efficient and in touch with the needs and wants of its client base. And that that’s exactly the opposite of what happens to a business that has no significant competition.

      That’s just simple junior college economics. If recognizing the natural consequences of the NRA’s indomitability on its performance makes me “a hayta,” then I will wear the label proudly. The fact that they’ve sat on their collective lard azzes and so much as encouraged POTUS 45 to outlaw bump-fire stocks (despite his complete lack of Constitutional authority) should make it clear, the NRA has lost its bearings. They need a shake-up that won’t be coming unless and until we stop rewarding them for holding back competing Gun Rights organizations that still have the fire in their bellies.

    3. Is it passion that drives the BS banter in these comments? As the author Tom McHale suggests, TAKE A DEEP BREATH! Don’t be persuaded by anything other than the facts, for the issue at hand. The 2nd Amendment has as equal value as any of the others, we should be adult enough to recognize that. Let’s substitute the 2nd Amendment with the 1st, now make the statement let’s have some ‘common sense legislation on freedom of religion’. Now, take another (much deeper) breath and think. Don’t open your mouth, just think about THAT. The fact is, maybe that would be a good number to start with. Just go though all 27 of them, one at a time just literally, rewrite history. Forget all the lives lost long ago (YES, WOMEN and CHILDREN included), fighting for each of these rights that mean more to some than others. How about the 14th? I feel (not really) that one should has some ‘common sense legislation’. Let’s face it, WE as a Country have cared about everyone else’s feelings, religion, sexual orientation, sexual orientation mindset, race, the words that we speak, the names of sports teams, the list goes on with how we have become weak in the eyes of other Countries because we DO NOT STAND for our founding fundamental rights. No, The Bill of Rights are not the 10 Commandments, but why do you hold Religion any different? Is one not protected by the other?
      The facts are this, they will never stop manufacturing weapons, that’s part of a Democracy, a Dictatorship and in the lack of any structured civilization. They are needed for wartime or when one’s Religious beliefs are more important than another’s. With the political and religious aspects on the table, let’s address the FACT that bad people do not follow the rules! This is not deniable, this is a fact, and will continue to be. So that means ‘common sense gun legislation’ for those who follow the rules, right?
      I’m not ok with this, as I would not be ok with legislation on religion, same sex marriage, one’s race, age or censorship. In being an American Citizen, it is the responsibility of everyone to make exceptions for individual beliefs, practices, feelings, words and rights, be it Civil or Amendment Rights. We openly give rights to Immigrants and at the same time forfeit our own. It’s not about the guns, it is about them manipulating our rights!
      My heart aches, as a parent, brother, son and overall a human being for those children that were slaughtered, by bad people. These bad people didn’t follow the rules, didn’t care about Rights, Religion or have the morals for being a decent human being. Please DO NOT be ignorant and play the mental illness card, each tragedy was premeditated by bad people who we deem mentally ill by those who need to tell themselves, ‘they must be’ to do something like that. They were/are cowards, bullies and terrible souls, who I add, DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES! OHHH, how surprised that last one, in Maryland must have been. He thought he was big tough guy, he must not have paid attention to wherever he was getting his information from.
      That’s what will need to continue to happen to bad people. The only way ‘We the good people’ can keep our children protected, is by not violating our right to protect them.

    4. I had no idea that there were this many NUTS in our Country. We have a 8% tail wagging a 92% dog and all you poor misguided members of the NRA whine constantly about the 2nd Amendment like it was one of the Ten Commandments. The NRA is like ISIS only they cut off nuts instead of heads. I do NOT need the NRA and neither do you. Be honest with yourself for about fifteen seconds, take a deep breath, put on your big boy pants and grow up!

      1. You’re a commy pinko rat bastard moron. Without the second ammendment, there is no Constitution. Since you don’t like the USA. Move to Iraq.

    5. Well, your page confirms my thoughts.

      Where is that “bullet pen” made?

      Why is the NRA sending money to china?

      Wouldn’t that money be better spent on lawyers or advertising?

      When the NRA stops handing out china made trinkets I’ll join. . .

      1. I live in(unfortunately)in California,and the NRA,didn’t even put up a fight against the Bloomberg liberals,maybe it was a lost cause.But nothing no effort,i wouldn’t give these ASSHOLES,A F##CKING DIME.

        1. You answered your own concern. Why throw money at a lost cause. Move if you don’t like the people surrounding you. Your money still protects gun rights on a national level and your argument makes as little sense as the people surrounding you. Be careful who you surround yourself with or you might find you’ve become them. You sound useless to me.

    6. Sandy, do tell! Is every gun owner a gun-loving stooge in your mind? That would be a large percentage of our military personnel. Secret service members protecting politicians would be included there. Democrats and republicans alike who are lawyers, doctors, engineers and other professionals you rely on for services are part of that group.

      Those individuals who believe that gun ownership should be a right and who teach gun safety to their families are stooges? Those individuals who spend time with their families engaged in outdoor activities instead of sitting around on facebook while their unattended children play video games for hours at a time? Those individuals who understand that the family unit is the building block of a strong America and that a bigger government is not the answer to our nations problems are the stooges?

      Your ignorance of the reality around you and your pathetic stereotyping of more than 10 million people is a much bigger problem contributing to the decline of America than all those stooges who happen to like owning a gun. What have you done lately for America Sandy, besides whine and complain?

    7. You gunloving stooges in the NRA are only one of the reaons that U.S.A. Has lost its power and resolve to lead the world. Hello China, but he you crazies south of the border!

      1. You should stay away from that stuff when you are trying to post something, SM. Your sentence is not even a sentence.
        Maybe you could crawl back in your hole.

      2. Sandy obviously has not lived or worked much outside the comfort of our country’s borders.
        – If our ancestors and forefathers had caved-in when the British tried to implement “governmental gun control” in the 1700’s, we would probably still be a British Colony. They wanted to limit individual weapon ownership to “hunting and sporting” also.
        – The Emperor of Japan hesitated to attack this country because he believed “there would be an armed citizen behind every blade of grass”..
        Let’s address the true problems of failing family units, mental health, gang influence and proper education.
        I couldn’t be selective about who I was defending when I served.

    8. Ammoland can kiss my ass, I have been NRA member for over 60 years. Oh how old is ammoland and what have you done lately sh*t head to help the 2nd. Oh and John (aug. 5 @ 12PM). You are the type of CCW carrier I want to stay away from! Announce your a ccw, what a dick head!

    9. It pains me to have to donate to any organization to protect my 2nd ammendments rights also to pay for permits to do so,I,M fed up with all of this crap ,and I will still carry and if someone doesn,t like it ,come see me

      1. Oh, Oh, you carry, tell the world. I’m scared to death. Do practice or do you just talk. You are the reason I hide from guys like you Been a NRA life member for many years, to many to count. Your just to much into yourself, see ya when the shtf, bub.

    10. I don’t know why AmmoLand chose to post this again but one of the reasons why most people don’t join the #NRA is because of the NRA’s long history of supporting anti-gun laws and the NRA’s long history of supporting anti-gun politicians which continues right up to the present day and which will continue until the current leadership is replaced.

      Giving money to the nations largest anti-gun organization would make anyone who purports to be a defender of the #SecondAmendment a #moron.

      And looking at these posts it is clear even to a blind man that there are a lot of morons here who support the NRA.

    11. Wayne Lapierre salary of $972,000.00 to $1.2 million is why I will never join the NRA again in my life time!!!

    12. I stopped reading when I got to the sentence “If someone from some podunk gun rights organization that has seven members waltzes in, that politician could care less.” I’m sure you *meant* to say “couldn’t care less”. Think about it.

        1. Should I care? I should be so lucky ? that you understand why there are two ways things like this can be stated. Like couldn’t care less..meaning I care the very least I can possibly care. Now I agree with nick in a small sense but not because he was correct because he was not entirely ,had there been a “?” At the end of “that politician could care less?” That would make it work as sarcasm so you both are a little bit less than right, but don’t feel to bad ,as you both are a little bit more than wrong too..‍♂️‍♂️

    13. Here’s an idea.
      If the NRA is actually effective influencing legislators because of member count, which I think we would all agree they are, and as suggested earlier would be more effective with more members, then in addition to the NRA continuing to accept the $25 donations from all of those who would continue to be to pay it anyway, offer free honorary memberships as well. If properly promoted membership could double almost overnight. Now that would be a very powerful way to say don’t tread on me or my constitution.

    14. When you talk about sucking it up or having to ‘compromise’ remember some of us have to do it every day. I am a gun owner with a carry permit. And want just like you to protect my gun rights. However I am also Gay and in a same-sex marriage. And support the NRA gives to those in office most likely will go to a religious nut who wants to destroy my marriage. Yet I swallow hard and still give to the NRA to support my gun rights. And I send in extra to help them.
      And with each victory thank me and not the freeloader who won’t join. We talk about welfare cheats, well if you don’t join the NRA you are a “Rights Cheat”.

    15. Not many of you are going to like this but here it is. We are cheap and petty as a movement. Progressives are willing to fund raise for criminal rapists and raise hundreds of thousands of dollars with no shame even demanding their friends who have no idea who they are raising money for contribute. They will drop a hundred dollars and more without even breaking a sweat. While we argue about pennies and every minor disagreement. Make no mistake the 5 million NRA members make the gun grabbers shake with fear. Other gun groups? Are you people kidding me? Nobody even comes close to even 50k members.

      If you have a problem with the NRA then join and donate. Become part of the leadership and argue for your positions. I have no tolerance for people who complain about the one group that has turned back the tide and made some real gains. The only way your voice is going to be heard is as being a member that pays and volunteers. Not someone who sits on the sidelines and complains while the progressives give until they burst.

      Look money is not everything and if you cannot give more then a basic membership then fine. Give by volunteering and convincing others to participate. In this battle numbers and volunteers matter no matter how often it might not feel that way.

    16. I agree with Tex. If every firearms owner in the U.S. was an official member of the NRA it would be the largest political bloc in the world let alone this country. He’s right. Watch our national legislators take real notice of a group of that size. And we could tell the U.N. to stuff it’s arms treaty.

    17. yeah.. well that’s nice.. and no.. not interested.. the constant cash requests.. the quisling methodology and the back room circle jerks DO NOT get my support.. not joining and stop the pathetic.. NRA or bust BS.
      NAGR/JPFO are BOTH more effective and have way less members.. do NOT assume that larger numbers mean something to liberals.
      still not joining the NRA and flame away.. no amount of you all bitching about MY choices means jack squat to me

    18. I have principles too, and I will never join the NRA because they allow the likes of Grover Norquist – a muslim operative – on their board of directors.

    19. To all those “the NRA did some things I disagreed with so I left in a huff” types, I have this to say:
      It’s a MEMBERS’ organisation, so don’t leave if you disagree; campaign to get them to change.
      I’ll bet there’s more than a few “ex NRA” types here who STILL vote Republican despite their multiple failings & lack of conservative ethics.
      Heck, I’m a Brit & live in the UK but I’m a mamber of both the NRA & GOA because to me the RKBA really MATTERS.

      Stop bitching FFS, rejoin the NRA & campaign for change & board members who represent your viewpoint.
      THAT is how to support the RKBA, rather than complaining that the NRA doesn’t listen to someone who isn’t even a member.

    20. Count me as someone who wants nothing to do with the NRA.. It’s an exclusive club for fat cats, who derive their income from gun owners donations. It doesn’t care about our rights. It cares about perpetuating the NRA.

      I joined the NRA over 35 years ago – even before I owned my first gun, so important was it to me to protect our 2nd Amendment rights. First thing I noticed, was although I sent my membership dues, (they cashed the check), I never got any membership materials, insurance notifications, or the free magazine. I wrote several times but they never responded. I figured I didn’t need the insurance, because I still didn’t own a gun. And I could buy a gun magazine. (I did.) But next year, I sent another check, and again, no membership materials, magazine, etc. Again I tried to get it straightened out, but they never responded.

      Meanwhile I kept getting requests for money from the NRA-ILA. I gave as much as $3000.00 to them over the next 4 or 5 years, and never so much as a thank you. Meanwhile I had bought a gun and a magazine, and I was learning about the NRA. First of all, the bigshots in the organization were taking holidays at Camp Perry, worldwide hunting trips, etc. etc. They never sponsored any pro-gun legislation. They never promoted gun education. They never started any programs for kids. They didn’t do anything to help new gun owners like me. They NEVER did ANYTHING to help New Yorkers like me secure our gun rights. All they did was “put out fires” in other states. They DEFENDED against gun control legislation. I wrote telling them they should get on the OFFENSIVE. Put the gun banners on their heels. But no response. It’s all about maintaining the status. If they WON the battle, LaPierre and the gang would be all out of a job.

      I finally stopped giving the NRA-ILA donations. Eventually, I joined the 2nd Amendment Foundation and CCRKBA. I sent them a lot of money over the next 10 years too. More of the same story. All they do is put out fires. Utter CONTEMPT towards gun owners in New York State. So why should I continue to give these people money, if they are not going to do anything for me?

      I haven’t given up. I write my congressman, and senators. I write the newspapers. I defend the 2nd Amendment. I just won’t be a member of an organization which exists only to perpetuate itself.

      1. 35 years is a long time. I received a range bag, 2 hats, a mug, and 2 pens. Not that I really wanted that stuff. And I got all of it, in a 2 week period. It isn’t about the “stuff”

    21. Like every issue in America today, we think we have to choose a side and defend it vociferously till the veins bulge out on our necks. To that I say bullsh#t. I have owned guns since I was 16 (that’s 5 decades) and think law-abiding citizens should have the right to defend themselves. I also have little use for the NRA. The organization overall has done some good in protecting gun rights, but that seems to be a small portion of its agenda. I am familiar with the NRA in Florida, whose lobbyist is one of the most powerful in the state. Unfortunately, she also lobbies for things she has a personal interest in that have nothing to do with guns because absolute power corrupts absolutely. I’m not aware of any effective gun abolition movement, though I agree some gun-restriction laws are ridiculous and do not protect anyone. So why don’t I join the NRA? I think there should be limited but responsible gun regulation. My credo is you get to own a gun if you can prove that you’re not a criminal, insane, a known threat and that you can show competence with guns. In Florida, people frequently shoot someone accidently because they have no business handling a gun. Also criminals get guns too easily and are lightly punished for it until they commit a crime with it. By then, someone is usually dead. When the NRA comes out with a campaign to put some responsibility into gun ownership and to punish illegal gun ownership, I’ll sign up.

    22. Maybe you would rather have Bloomberg’s Moms Demand or Everytown “fight” for your 2nd Amendment Rights?

    23. Ask yourself a question, have you ever heard an anti gun group opposed to NAGR or GOA? I’ll bet the answer is no. The NRA is always a target, when you select targets you don’t pick unimportant things to go after. If our opponents think NRA is the most important thing for them to attack why don’t we think it’s our most important line of defense? Yes I’m a NRA life member.

    24. My gosh!

      Do you NRA haters even begin to think how big a laugh Bloomberg and the Libs get when we fight among ourselves? If the NRA does something you don’t like, then tell them. But don’t try to destroy the organization that has done more for gun rights in the USA than every other organization combined. There’s a reason Bloomberg and his clown posse hate the NRA . . because they . . WE . . have the political clout to get things done.

    25. >Do you really want to pick a no compromise fight when your opponent holds all the high cards?

      Yes–depending on one’s beliefs and goals, a no-compromise fight is the right one. When it comes to the fight to have the liberty to keep and bear arms, ANY compromise is just another step toward total and absolute defeat in the end. If your goal is to limit the damage to your liberty that your masters and rulers inflict on you in your own lifetime, compromise might be a good strategy. Just let members of future generations live with the end result! However, if your goal is to preserve liberty for future generations, as the founders attempted to do, then compromise may be something that you cannot tolerate.

      “Posterity! you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom! I hope you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it.”

      -John Adams letter to Abigail Adams (27 April 1777)

      I happen to currently be an NRA member, but its compromising nature keeps me from becoming a Life Member. I don’t like that it compromised privacy and freedom of expression when it obtained a special tax status for donations and supported an amendment to a bill that provided it with the special exception, instead of opposing the entire act of law. I don’t like that the NRA has not taken the position that the right to keep and bear arms includes the right to manufacture them–with 3D printers (which is an overblown and not terribly efficacious way to make a firearm) or a hacksaw and materials from a hardware store, or whatever! I don’t like that the NRA didn’t start the ammo ban fight back when the Barnes solids and 5.45 x 39 ammo bans were decreed by our supreme ruler. These bans are still in effect. The NRA was also far too slow to recognize that background checks ARE gun registration. I argued with the NRA suits in their SHOT show booth for years about it. They’ve finally caught-on to this fact, at least. I don’t like how the NRA keeps using the term, “law-abiding citizen” when all it takes is the stoke of a pen to make any citizen a criminal (which they already are, according to the recent book “Three Felonies A Day.”) The “law-abiding citizen” is a myth!

      Also, how can you forgive an organization that supported Harry Reid for so many years? The NRA is far too compromising when it comes to its choices in Congress. How can you forgive the NRA for not inviting Rand Paul to its convention? If you care about keeping your guns and vote, it’s plain crazy to not seriously consider Rand Paul. Maybe gun rights supporters should similarly ignore the NRA? I don’t know and, like I said, I’m currently an NRA member, but I can’t say that I feel good about it!

      Finally, if you live in a state like Washington, where I live, you might want to divert all your support to local organizations. The NRA did not fight hard enough to defeat I-594 in Washington against the Bloomy and Microsoft millions!

    26. The NRA does do good and so does the Second Amendment Foundation and I also belong to GOAL which is the Gun Owners Action League and they all do there part to fight the anti gun legislation

    27. Here’s a great compromise:

      Join. Annual, Life, doesn’t matter. By law, those dues can only go to training and education, conservation, insurance programs, things that the NRA does very well.

      DO NOT EVER CONTRIBUTE A PENNY TO ANYTHING THAT SAYS “ILA” or “PVF” ON IT! Both the IgnorantLousyA$$#oles and the PettyVindictiveFools are hopelessly corrupt and incompetent. Fortunately, BOTH must solicit all monies directly, and CANNOT (legally, anyway) receive any funding from NRA itself. It is, of course, entirely possible, if not highly probable, that NRA is as corrupt as the other two, and funneling money to them illegally.

      Join. Enjoy the magazine. Most importantly, THROW EVERY MAILER IN THE TRASH, SIGHT UNSEEN, AND HANG UP ON EVERY PHONE MOLESTATION. And if ever someone produces evidence of illegal transfer of funds, RESIGN MEMBERSHIP IMMEDIATELY

    28. I walked from the NRA after they did Washington wrong on 594. After we the Gun Coalition, and another group did the will not comply rally they sent one person….and then took credit for it. After doing research, right in thier bylaws, gun control.

      1. Didn’t the citizens of your state vote on 594? How exactly is it NRA’s fault that you folks voted for it?

        1. Yeah actually….push for constitutional carry. Stop mucking about with these nickle and dime legislative maneuvers and go for broke….constitutional carry across the nation.

    29. I have been married for 58 years. If either one of us had demanded perfection of the other?????
      Why do the enemies of the second amendment hate the NRA? We can get a very good idea as to where we stand on most subjects if we check and see who our enemies are. The gun grabbers, liberal politicians and most news media all hate the NRA. We have a good carry permit system here in Tennessee. I dare say we would not have if not for the support of the NRA. Of course others helped. Support all them if you can. No one can win the fight by themselves. We must forget our differences and fight together or we may lose. What organization do the politicians listen to? The enemies of freedom hate the NRA. Just check the headlines. Can you imagine how our enemies would rejoice if the news media announced tomorrow morning that the National Rifle Association was disbanded and no longer exited any more? God forbid.
      For my God and my country.

      1. Best comment yet. The constant drone you hear from the left when an anti-gun bill fails is, blame it on the NRA. They don’t understand some of us are reassured when we hear the NRA killed the bill.

    30. Well,…still the same 4 comments after ALL DAY. Where’s mine from early this afternoon? Censor much?

    31. You are right. The NRA IS the gorilla in the room. And that IS the problem, the “gorilla” is using our “Rights” as bargaining chips at the compromise table! The anti-gunners are continuously chipping away at our Rights and the NRA is surrendering them one at a time in the name of diplomacy and calling that a victory. When another organization like Open Carry Texas wins a battle (not a war, just a battle), the NRA jumps in and claims they did it after belittling the movement in the first place.

      Our Rights belong to each and everyone of us. The NRA does not have any legitimate authority to “give away” or compromise with our unalienable Rights. But, the NRA has gotten too big, let all that power go to their heads and are now following their own agenda of self interests and power at our expense. They are acting just like any other power hungry political organization.

      Playing a game of poker with a “kitty” that does not belong to them, our unalienable Rights! Yes, they are the gorilla in the room, but, the question is not are they a gorilla, the question is What kind of gorilla?

      Congress is a gorilla in the room too. Congress should be fighting for and protecting our Rights but they have abandoned their oaths of office, bastardized the Constitution. and are trying to destroy our Rights one at a time.
      Congress is a bad gorilla when it comes to our Rights.

      The NRA in bed with and playing “footsie” with the Constitution destroying politicians. Now, if you think that is going to work out in the long run for the good of all of us, you need to get YOUR head out of the sand! That is like Obama playing “footsie” with ISIS! It is not going to end well.

      I am a life member of the NRA and I DO NOT like what they are doing to our Rights. And I will work from the “inside” to correct their foolishness and theft of our Rights.

      “The bottom line is this: If you don’t grow up and send the NRA a lousy $25 bucks, (Discount NRA Membership) you’re exacerbating the problem.”

      You sir ARE the problem. Trying to coerce and intimidate others into supporting your value system. If you want to try to recruit people for the NRA that is one thing, BUT, threatening and belittling statements like that make you the problem! You sound like a Rights stealing tyrannical politician telling us to “Do it or else”. If I was not already a member of the NRA, I would shove that statement of yours and NEVER join the NRA.

      1. Well, I’m having a little trouble understanding how I personally am eroding your gun rights. But we’ll let that slide. Getting practical for a minute, it’s real simple. Once again, I won’t apologize for any actions the NRA has taken, past, present or future, but, there is no other gun rights group with a 5 million member number attached to it. None. What’s GOA now, 300K maybe? Guess what, Congress doesn’t give a rats behind about them. They’re not going to influence elections.300K voters spread across 50 states means essentially nothing.

        So, you’re left with a choice. You can recognize the 800 pound Gorilla in the room that IS capable of getting attention from Congress and try to make it better, or you can go elsewhere. Elsewhere does not have 5 million members.

        Do you really believe that if the NRA had 10 million members we would have any real gun control threats?

          1. Actually it would. You wanna see Congress jump and start talking aggressive things like impeachment? Waltz into a few offices with 20 million voters behind you and you’ll be amazed how high they go when we say jump.

    32. Instead of complaining about the NRA become a life member so you can VOTE for the board. Shut-up and make a difference. Yes, I am a life member.

        1. It’s the NRA themselves that cause members,former members, to complain about the NRA. They take credit for legislation they had nothing to do with if it passes,silence when it doesn’t. They aren’t aggressive and cave into a lot of the gun-grabber demands. You don’t negotiate with tyrannists. I would like to become an NRA member again at some time,but they have to change,not its members. I just wish at this point in time it was GOA that had 5 million plus members.

      1. The way it is now structured Wayne and the boys have made another Cinncinatti revolt impossible. They’ve effectively locked it up. I knew Harlon Carter and he would have kicked the lot of them in their collective rear ends out the door. Neal Knox tried to follow in Harlon’s footsteps but they outnumbered him and he died of cancer far too soon. Don’t believe for one minute that NRA/ILA is working as hard as they can. They’re maintaining the status quo, nothing more.

    33. Currently I am $75 from Patron Life Membership. As a resident of New York, it is pretty much meaningless but I do get extra satisfaction when the media disparages the NRA and its “clueless” members. It makes me feel extra specials knowing I could be considered “Extra Clueless”.

    34. I’m afraid that I have to disagree. You can thank the NRA in part for Loretta Lynch being our current USAG.
      The NRA stuck their nose into the Primary process here in Utah, where they had No Business sticking it.
      We had (hopefully still have) an excellent, conservative and pro gun candidate in Dan Liljenquist, unlike Hatch is no longer (if ever) excellent, conservative or pro gun. The NRA threw a ton of money into the Hatch campaign and ran numerous commercials on his behalf. I had one of their fools argue with me on Facebook about getting invloved in the primaries.
      Now, Hatch is one of those turncoat RINOs who support Obama and Lynch.
      The NRA’s foolishness makes them just as bad a Hatch.

    35. I am a life member of the NRA. In 1975 I had a problem with NRA but I grew up and faced facts. If you don’t support NRA then join Moms against peanut butter and jelly. Make yourself useful, support the largest gun rights and educational organization, or take your blanky to the nearest corner and have a good cry. Join, support, and pay or lose a right too many already think is a priveledge.

    36. I don’t think you other “posters” get the point of McHale’s article. There is a reality one MUST face when dealing with politicians. Unfortunately i know many politicians personally and the ones who can actually win an election are the ones who have the ability to make deals with “the other side” when necessary. And yes all they care about is winning the next election, so a large organization like the NRA carries A LOT more clout with them than a small-but-pure organization. Pick the hill you want to die on. You’ll get nothing at all if you can’t get elected.

    37. The NRA is the 800 lbs Gorilla in the room, where I greatly appreciate them being. I am an advocate and I support advocates. When my quarter is approached by small minded, self absorbed supporters of socialism, I want them to see the specter of my gorilla standing right behind me. I seriously don’t care if he farts and scratches himself in an inappropriate manner on occasion as it is MY 800 Lbs Gorilla.

      NRA Gorilla

    38. Lets face it: the real reason people don’t join or donate to the NRA is because they are selfish cheapskates that are comfortable with letting other “stupid” citizens carry the load. I’ve seen this type at church, always looking for a rationale for why they don’t donate (money is wasted, pastor is living in sin, they get enough, etc etc). My favorite on here is the Chinese crap rationalization. Or the too much junk mail whine.

      Take the NRA haters comments that they donate to other gun organizations with a grain of salt. Either attach a copy of your cancelled check, or stifle it as nobody believes your freeloader tripe.

      1. First, I don’t hate the NRA at all but ask your self, with the exception of the protection of lawful commerce what major Federal legislation has the NRA gotten passed in the last 15 years? It’s in their interest to maintain the status quo. Why? Simple, if gun control and gun control efforts were totally rolled back there would be absolutely no reason for ILA to exist. There would be no excuse for Wayne to have a million dollar salary or drive a 7 series BMW. Face it, NRA is a money making machine and they are very, very good at it. Yes, they do get some pro-gun State legislation passed and they introduce stuff like Natl. reciprocity every year…and then it dies…every year. So, are they bad? No. Do they do all they could do? Again, no. You just have to understand who they are and what they are.

    39. The NRA has actually fought AGAINST the 2nd Amendent too many times to be considered it’s defender. They plainly are NOT!!! Simply because they have opposed the most active traitors more often than they have engaged in same alongside them in no way excuses them for their own Damnation. They are too interested in being merely an adjunct of the Republican Party and have shown loyalty to their agenda rather than hours. And why? Because of people like the author, who they count on to come crawling back to them, over and over, no matter how many times they abuse him. I cannot respect batteted-spouse syndrome in neither in individuals nor organizations. Wife-beaters deserve to be beaten themselves, and so does the NRA. The NRA absolutely NEEDS to experience the painful consequences of their trespasses against us. Bring on the pain!!

      1. You realize all the NRA is a collection of members right? So “bring on the pain” does nothing except move us backwards.

        I’m never going to agree with or apologize for bad decisions from the NRA, but guess what, if it evaporated tomorrow we would all be in a world of hurt with respect to gun rights. Those 5 million members who vote keep Congress in check whether you want to believe that or not.

          1. People like you are exactly the problem. If you’re a customer of a restaurant, and that establishment treats you poorly, you leave and never come back. When you’re a MEMBER of an ORGANIZATION working TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL, you don’t stomp your feet, throw a tantrum, and make accusations about the other members licking boots. You get off your butt and fix it rather than sit on the sidelines and bitch.

            In the legislative arena there are only TWO CHOICES.

            1. Make the NRA more effective
            2. Find another organization to influence legislation that takes the place of the NRA.

            Do you really think it’s a better plan to throw away the clout of 5 million freaking people and start over from scratch? Or just maybe you could stop whining and get off your butt to get involved and steer the NRA in a more aggressive direction. If you don’t get this, you’re hopelessly out of touch how politics actually work in the real world.

            1. You are correct! There is NO ORGANIZATION in any area of politics that Congress fears like the NRA. And this is true at the grass roots and state levels as much as it is at the national level. That took since 1871 to establish. It needs MORE backing from casual shooting sports enthusiasts and hunters, not less. And that includes unsolicited donations, not just an annual membership fee.

            2. @MyGun and Terry, you all are correct. To others, absent the NRA your guns would have been gone by 1969. Not saying that all the other gun organizations are not helpful and useful. Join them all. But none is feared by politicians as is the NRA. Remember the TV ads this past presidential election. They were very effective. Disparaging any of the pro-Second Amendment organizations is playing into the lib era/progressive/socialist game plan of divide and conquer.

        1. Let me guess, your last name is Goldstein, no? Silverstein? Cheap Jew’s won’t spend a dime if it kills them.

    40. Reduce the dues to $10 with NO subscription to a magazine I never read. Then you could probably get 50 million members.

      1. Agree. Skip the magazine. Skip the free duffel bag or the bullet-shaped ballpoint pen. GOA membership is $20 rather than the NRA’s $35.

    41. Even the NRA ad in your post should be a reminder. “Join and get a free NRA bullet pen” Yes waste donors money on cheap crap, made by slave labor in a China, country with no gun rights that is constantly attacking the US? How about give your money to an organization that wont sent it to China?

      1. All of the 2A groups do good work. I belong to most of them, including the Iowa and Illinois groups. Too bad some people can’t set aside their petty differences and look at the greater good the NRA does. And those who won’t bother to join any of them, don’t worry, we’ll protect your rights for you. That’s the same reason Obama got reelected, too many lazy-assed Americans unwilling to protect their own rights.

    42. The NRA over the last few years has made many statements I disagree with,esp.comments made about Open Carry in Texas,then of course retracted when thousands of members cut up their cards and mailed them back. They compromise and negotiate behind closed doors with the gungrabbers. I joined GOA instead of renewing with the NRA, and I’m a lifetime member of TSRA. (they are an NRA affiliate but are very aggresive for gun rights in Texas) But no more NRA. They never attack in the sense of our 2A freedoms,but seem to be counter punchers willing to apppease the tyrannists. The GOA says it like it is and dont care what the gun-grabbers say or think. They speak the truth and could care less about political correctness.

        1. This is not about which Organization to belong to ,But banning togeather numbers count when Gun Grabbers want to pass yet another stupid Gun law , there are power in numbers if the Government would want to yet take another grab on law biding Citizens rights to bear arms, and we banned togeather as one. I think they would think twice, if all Gun Clubs ban togeather we would have millions and millions ban togeather that way if one club dosnt like something the other club does,so be it we are banning togeather as one for the soul purpose to defeat there law

      1. You’re right. GOA is more purist and not willing to compromise. But guess what else? Congress doesn’t give a rat’s butt about GOA because their membership numbers are not big enough to cause Congress Critters to lose seats, so they GOA can be right and pure all day long, but they’re never going to get Congress to jump through hoops until they get 5 or 10 million members.

        Solution? See the comment above. Send the NRA $25 and a photocopy of a check to GOA for $50 and tell them why you give GOA more money. Then you’ll actually be accomplishing something.

        1. NRA is the best way to go but membership in 2 or 3 organizations is not bad. IF EVERY FIREARMS OWNER IN THE UNITED STATES WAS A MEMBER OF THE NRA NOT ONLY WOULD WE BE THE LARGEST LOBBY IN THE COUNTRY, WE WOULD BE THE SINGLE LARGEST POLITICAL LOBBY IN THE WORLD!!!! Love to see the U.N. deal with that. Who ever that was who said the GOA was a more purist organization and to join it doesn’t understand politics, liberals or what the NRA , Institute for Legislative Action or Second Amendment Foundation has accomplished. The lobby if all gun owners joined the NRA would in eight figures, that’s 10,000,000 or more/ Think about that. Work towards that by talking to every other gun owner you know. And if you aren’t a member,JOIN!!!

      2. I agree, based on what I’ve seen. #1. Ron Paul, whom I respect, calls the GOA, “The only no-compromise gun lobby.” #2. The three top execs at NRA are making almost $3 million a year (average of $1 million apiece) and I resent my dues going to support their lavish lifestyles. #3. The NRA backed Koster, a liberal democrat, for Missouri governor because he had a good voting record on guns as AG. But his opponent, Greitens, a retired Navy SEAL , as an outsider who had never run for office, had no voting record. So even though Greitens sent in his NRA survey with a 100% pro-gun rating, the NRA backed the louse with the “voting record”, even though he’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-Hilary. That really turned me off to the NRA.

    43. The #NRA has been telling 9th Circuit courts these past five years that states can ban #OpenCarry if they want to and is arguing to uphold California’s 1967 ban on openly carrying loaded firearms (which the NRA helped write) and is arguing to uphold California’s Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 in the Pertua v. San Diego case.

      The US Supreme Court in its 2008 Heller decision published its first extensive analysis of the Second Amendment in which it cited to ante-bellum cases saying that they perfectly captured the meaning of the individual right to keep and bear arms. Both cases held that Open Carry is the right guaranteed by the Constitution and concealed carry can be banned.

      The #NRA opposes #OpenCarry. The #NRA supports gun-free school zones. That is all you need to know about the NRA.

      “[A] right to carry arms openly: “This is the right guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States, and which is calculated to incite men to a manly and noble defence of themselves, if necessary, and of their country, without any tendency to secret advantages and unmanly assassinations.”” District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S. Ct. 2783 (2008) at 2809

      Concealed carry is of no use to me, I don’t carry a purse. Besides, Open Carry is the right guaranteed by the Constitution, concealed carry can be banned.

      1. So your point is?

        This is exactly what I am talking about. You are right. But you can be right all day long and still lose. The 2nd Amendment is clear as day and finally the courts have figured that out with Heller and McDonald. Yet we have over 20,000 gun control laws on the books nationwide. We’re right, and we’re losing, so being right means nothing in a practical sense.

        My whole point is that it’s not enough to be right. We still lose, even being right, unless we fix this stuff. So stop whining about being right and get involved in a meaningful way.

      2. To everyone who has read this guys post, he’s a troll who, with minor variations, posts the same thing on every forum when the topic comes up. His “I don’t carry a purse” is his catch phrase. Call him out where ever you see him.

        1. You’re right ! He has used that ‘I don’t carry a purse’ thing several times before. They can take away concealed carry,..,, blah blah blah,but open carry is guaranteed by our founding fathers !

        2. he actually has a lawsuit and is challenging California’s open carry ban. He’s got to troll and say the same thing every time because people, like this author don’t get it. The NRA and its “stand and fight ” motto is purely for bringing in money. The NRA has big money invested in its trainer certification scheme which is heavily dependent upon permits, this is something they don’t want to relinquish.

          In 40 separate testimonies on Maine constitutional carry the only time the NRA appeared was when a NRA certified trainer testified AGAINST it yet they’ll issue a press release saying NRA backed legislation, BS!

          Where are they on overturning California’s Open Carry ban? Testifying in Opposition of Mr. Nichols, too busy loosing case after case asserting concealed carry must be shall issue of open carry is banned.

          Think what you will but the Facts are facts, NRA agreed to 1934 compromise, 1968 Compromise, 1986 compromise, 90’s assault weapon ban compromise.

          1. Oh, I get it plenty. You’re the one missing the entire point of this article. It’s simple math

            There is a group of 5 million voters under one voluntary dues paying membership roof. This alone is a major deterrent force to Congress. Do you really think that if the 5 million NRA members evaporated, that Congress would hesitate 10 seconds before passing more anti-gun legislation? How about if that happened during 2008 through 2010? How long do you think it would have taken the White House, Democratic majority in the House, and Democratic majority in the Senate to stomp all over our rights?

            It makes little difference how awesome or sucky the host organization is for this purpose. It’s the 5 million members that are part of something with “gun” in the title that keeps Congress in check. Membership numbers mean everything.

    44. At this juncture in the battle to preserve the 2nd Amendment and the U.S. Constitution gun owners should be ‘equal opportunity’ supporters and donate to as many legitimate ‘gun rights’ organizations that they can afford.

      1. The writer is right about one thing…the NRA is BULLSHYT! I dropped those phony bas-ards, when they turned on veterans and backed obozo in removing any veterans right to own a gun if he went to a mental health clinic! That was BULLSHYT, every VA you go to asks if you are depressed, angry, need to see someone in mental health VIOLA….then you lose your right to own a gun…it is and was a conspiracy of the lowest order…..you want to support the phony money grabbing a.h.s, go ahead but don’t be trying to con the rest of us into it!!!

        1. Then join the NRA and tell them what you have to complain about from the inside. From the outside you are as irrelevant as a citizen who doesn’t vote.

          What to influence the NRA? With your $25 NRA dues send a photocopy of your $50 check to some other gun organization.

          1. Agreed. I generally start out by shaking my head when some . . . person does the typical keyboard ninja attack on the NRA. But, eventually I just have enough and tell them I don’t appreciate the damage they’re doing to the pro-gun movement by supporting the Liberal’s divide and conquer tactics. I’m proud to be a member of the NRA, but I’m also a NAGR Front Line Defender and a member of GOA, along with being a member of my state gun rights organization that only focuses on the state laws and legislature.

            If you don’t stand up and fight from the inside and within the law, you are part of the problem. I actually had a guy tell me once to stop wasting money on donations and dues, and use it to stockpile ammo to fight when the government comes after my guns. I understand what he was saying, but I’d really rather it doesn’t come to that. The USA is still the greatest country on Earth and I support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, just as the oath I took said, but we have a functional government and we need to keep it that way.

            I have worked, and at times fought, all over the world, and there is still no country half as good as the USA in any way.

          2. I’m FRENCH and I don’t understand : how can NRA exist in this world , and above all how can put guns in your chidren’s arms? YOU are responsible for more and more violence , murders and racism . In addition , you Americans are basically born from melting pot, did you forget ? i LOVE AMERICA , except NRA, sorry

            1. Fave,

              How very wrong you are about American culture. I was born in America in the year 1970. At that time in the south it was common for households to own multiple firearms, not just one (Oh, the shame!). Families used these guns to hunt for food (Still a practice today by millions of people.), and some dads simply liked collecting firearms for sport. The difference between then and now is that the good dads at that time taught discipline, respect and honor to their children. Children who grew up in households with guns respected the gun as a tool, not a toy. They respected their parents and would never have dreamed of using the gun as a toy or to kill the boy who mocked them at recess. The difference is children were taught morals and values. Children by the millions grew up in households with guns with ABSOLUTELy not problems because they knew right from wrong and they knew how to resolve conflict and that the answer to the problem was to bring their mind, and not a gun to the fight.

              Fast forward to today. I’m raising my son daughter as my father and mother did. With morals. Respect for adults, respect for the law and respect for other people regardless of race. I have guns in my house and, heaven forbid, my 8 year old has held my handgun so that he understands it. I’m teaching him to respect it. I’m not letting him play graphic video games for hours on end. Instead I’m taking him fishing and hiking. I’m teaching him to appreciate the world and giving him the values he needs to be a good citizen and role model for the USA.

              That is all the difference in the world. There is NO problem with owning a firearm, and NO problem with a child learning to use one, IF said child is from a good home which teaches all the above.

              You may not like it, but those are the facts. Now America is falling apart thanks to people like Obama in the government who divide the nation. Those who despise tradition and turn their noses up at decency and Christian values. America is becoming a violent, self-centered, lonely place where gun violence is on the rise.

              It is not the good parent who teaches their children gun safety and respect for others that is making society violent. It is those self-centered people who have children and are not raising them properly. It is people who choose to spend time with their work-buddies over time with their children. People who think a child is a burden rather than a commitment.

              It is people like me who will hopefully keep the country on track for just a little bit longer, and it is organizations like the NRA who promote family values, gun safety and liberty who are helping that cause, not hurting the culture. Guns are an inseparable part of America, and one can choose to embrace that and deal with it properly, or moan and complain in ignorance while guns run rampant in the streets held by those for whom the law does not apply.

              As for me and my family, I’m protected.

            2. I’m going to renew my membership just to pisses off a french bastard that thinks he has any right to comment on out rights. Without America and our guns you would be speaking German right now!

            3. I’m glad you are French. Be glad you are not German, – and thank the NRA for training the troops who made that YOUR reality.

            4. Last I checked France list 150 lives from a terror attack…..if one Frenchman had a pistol then maybe 1 life would be taken….a terrorist life….if a child has a gun in his arms then the parent is an idiot and should be shot himself for being an idiot….my guns on my hip or safe as is most lawfully carrying Americans so don’t assume sh*t…

            5. This is to James

              If it were not for the French in the American Revolution we probably would not be flying the flag we are today. They helped us out when our need was the greatest with finances and troops.


        3. Desert…maybe you should consider going back to the desert where you can’t harm anyone, or better still, to the Mental Health Clinic you attended and discuss with them all your ANGER issues. Taking into consideration your rantings and ravings, I certainly wouldn’t want you having the responsibility of a gun either. If you insist on being such an angry person, vent your anger on those who are trying to take your God given American rights away from you. Also, YOU are NOT the “rest of us”, you speak from your OWN point of view. Consider the fact that YOU may be trying to CON “the rest of US” with YOUR personal viewpoint!!
          If America loses its 2nd Amendment rights through the blatant lies and corruption of the Obama/Clinton administration, (not to mention the American way of life written in our Constitution and defended by millions of men and women who preserved it with their lives), the venom you spew out of you mouth would be moot and your obvious pent up anger would have accomplished absolutely nothing! Please discuss your anger within the NRA, we already have too many “pity-me” attitudes in our country, we don’t need any more…move on Desert!!!

        4. The way I heard it was if you want to join the military, never tell them all the illegal drugs you did. ..so when you get out don’t tell them your phucked up, unless your family/friends do report you

      2. I think every gun purchase should include a years membership. That would help. Also membership should include membership in the NRA state militia, that would cover our constructional right to bare arms.

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