Maryland Red Flag Gun Confiscation Order Ends with Dead Gun Owner

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Ferndale, Maryland-(Ammoland.com)- At 5:17 AM on Monday, November 5th, 2018 an Anne Arundel County, Maryland man was shot and killed in his home by police as they tried to carry out a “Red Flag Gun Confiscation Order.”

Red flag laws give the police the right to confiscate firearms from a person without due process through something called an extreme risk protection order. All it takes for a judge to issue an extreme risk protection order is one person stating that the subject is a danger to themselves or others.

With extreme risk protection orders, authorities do not give the accused a chance to rebuke the charges before a judge issues the order to take the accused person’s firearms.

The first red flag law was passed in Connecticut 1999 but did not spread until recently. In fact, before this year only five states had red flag laws. Before 2014, only 2 states had the laws on the books. Now 13 states have red flag laws.

One of the big pushes for red flag laws in Connecticut was the number of people committing suicide. Connecticut claimed that these laws significantly reduced gun-related suicides, but a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study showed these red flag laws only prevented 1.6% of gun-related suicides in Connecticut. The CDC study also showed that some of these people went on to commit suicide by other means.

While we do not yet have data on how often these orders are approved, we can look at search warrants issued to police to get a feel on what the approval rates will be for these orders.

According to the Libertas Institute, the courts approve 98% of all search warrants. Most shocking is that in their research of warrants in Utah they found the courts approved 60% of these orders in less than three minutes. Since the burden of proof for a search warrant is much higher than a single person's statement, we can deduce that the courts will issue extreme risk protection orders at the same or a higher rate than that of search warrants.

The red flag law is a relatively new law in the state of Maryland. Governor Larry Hogan signed the bill (HB 1302) into law in May of this year, and the law went into effect on the first of last month.

In a little over a month of going into effect, tragedy struck as police arrived at the door of Gary Willis just before dawn to serve the extreme risk protection order and seize the 60-year-old's guns.

According to police, Gary Willis opened the door with a pistol in his hand. He initially put the gun down, but picked it back up and then “became irate” at law enforcement when they tried to serve him the order. A struggle began for the gun between Willis and one of the officers at the scene.

According to Anne Arundel County Police spokeswoman, Sgt. Jacklyn Davis, a second officer at the home of Willis, shot and killed the Ferndale man. None of the officers trying to serve the order were hurt.

Michele Willis is the niece of Gary Willis. She described her uncle as a person that likes to speak his mind but was harmless. She stated that her uncle wasn't a danger to anyone and questioned the police response.

Gun Owners of America has been a vocal critic of so-called red flag laws because of the denial of due process. They view these laws as unjust gun confiscation orders.

“We don’t yet know all of the facts in this case, so we will be watching this story very closely,” said Gun Owners of America Executive Director Erich Pratt. “But in general, GOA opposes red flag laws because they throw out Due Process. That is, they order the confiscation of firearms without a conviction of wrongdoing for any crime.”

Pratt is not alone in not knowing all the facts in the case. In fact, the Maryland Judiciary has denied all requests to see any protection orders dealing with Willis. Although Willis's niece, Michele Willis, said her aunt took out the order on Willis. She said it was just “family being family.”

Police are also being tight-lipped about the cause for the order to be taken out on Willis due to being legally restrained to the amount of information that can be released to the public because of the law dealing with extreme risk protection orders.

All information in an extreme risk protection order is automatically marked confidential and cannot be released. It takes a court order to unseal the documents. Gun rights advocates along with civil liberty activists have long complained that is easier to get an extreme risk protection order than to find out the reason for the for the order.

Overall there have been 114 petitions in Maryland during October. Anne Arundel County accounted for 19 of these petitions.


About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

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This is a topic that has taken on a life of its own. It won’t stop until these laws are struck down, probably by the Supreme Court. So here’s my take on this topic. Apologies if you’ve seen it before. Red flag confiscation laws are being trumpeted by socialist-democrats right now because their usual gun control arguments are lopsided losers. They’ve been hoodwinked by Bloomberg’s rhetoric and haven’t read his 2018 data. It reveals gun homicides declined seven percent, firearm injuries declined 10 percent, fatal child shootings (under 18) declined 12 percent and unintentional shootings plummeted 21 percent. Further, a… Read more »

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M. Cole

So what happens when those that like ‘swatting’ start making those calls. For those that dont know what ‘swatting’ is, it’s the act of calling the police and sending a SWAT team to a unsuspecting persons house, under the guise that the person is armed , dangerous, and barricaded. Now that added red flag laws where a phone call is all that’s needed. Highly dangerous to citizens and police. Police should not be allowed to send SWAT teams in the wee hours of the morning when people can be startled awake thinking they need to defend themselves. A recipe for… Read more »

Thomas Hartshorn
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Thomas Hartshorn

U don’t want this to be taken the wrong way but I’m too am a patriotic American. I’m voted for President Trump BUT I’m have written him twice about 2nd Amendment issues including this DAMN NAZI RED FLAG LAW. I am NOT getting any replies and for everyone’s knowledge, Comrade Marco Rubiio from Florida has introduced SB 7, the Red Flag Law NATIONWIDE !!!!

Nomas
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Nomas

@julius, actually most illegal gun laws were implemented by whites, to disarm people of color. Licenses to carry were legislated so that people of color would be denied the right to bear arms in public, it made is easier for discrimination to flourish as a system, rather than individual bias.

Julius
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Julius

What is interesting, all illegal gun laws have been introduced by jews.

Ron Linder
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Ron Linder

Although it is true that a lot of Jews feel (falsely) that without guns there would be peace, a lot don’t and are strong proponents of 2A. It is also true that a lot of the illegal gun laws have been introduced by non-Jews!! I am not sure if your comment is the dumbest or 2nd dumbest comment I ever heard!!

Nomas
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Nomas

@julius, actually most illegal gun laws were implemented by whites, to disarm people of color. Licenses to carry were legislated so that people of color would be denied the right to bear arms in public, it made is easier for discrimination to flourish as a system, rather than individual bias.

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willy d

@JohnMcCann; This is what the government wants, they can keep you under their thumb at all times everybody thinks all of these electronics and gadgets don’t come with a price on their privacy, wake up America, it’s there an we keep loosing more every day !!!!!!!!!! The best we could ever hope for is a massive computer crash, then start over, when you think of what they can do with a computer to your daily routine?????? You could just let your mind run wild to think of all the things you do in a day that a computer is involved… Read more »

Charles Stoker
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Charles Stoker

Please do not give the psychiatric profession authority to declare someone unfit to own a firearm. They have the highest suicide rate and they are leftist Socialists, and they are anti Christian.

They would lock up all Christians if they had the chance. And turn all churches into places for scientific study.

Paul
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Paul

The people that back these red flag laws cheer & rejoice when these thing happen! The billionaires that backs these laws is what they want. Dead Gun owners, or dear cops. This is crude but this is reality. They hope this will turn people against guns & gun owners.

Brian Matula
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Brian Matula

This is wrong! Random people reporting random people — have you reported someone today? This is like the new McCarthyism. Due process after the fact is no due process, what, is someone supposed to prove they won’t do something that never happened? And what judge is going to go on record as giving a gun back to some deemed “dangerous” whether they are or not? No due process here… add in the fact that the cops are told they are responding to a “dangerous” person — and the person served with the warrant has no knowledge or warning of any… Read more »

Thomas R Hartshorn Jr
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Thomas R Hartshorn Jr

Thank you for an intelligent and Constitutional reply.

Bill Ingram
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Bill Ingram

Bravo

CHARLE WALDIE
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CHARLE WALDIE

So Trump bans Jim Acosta and takes away his press pass. CNN files lawsuit and the federal judge says that he can’t take it away because of the 5th amendment. So Jim Acosta got his press pass back. So how is this Maryland law allowed to happen without due process? This law goes against the 2nd amendment and the 5th amendment apparently. Somebody needs to stop this and take it too the supreme court. Liberals say they aren’t taking your guns away, but dang this sure looks like they are. Thankfully I live in Texas. I’d move out of that… Read more »

Ron Hortie
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Ron Hortie

Being a life long Maryland resident I choose to “Stand and Fight” rather than run away. Our so called Republican governor has shown his true color of Democratic Blue.

Doug Ruggles
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Doug Ruggles

Yep! So many chameleons out there today who are developing …developing into wolves in sheep’s skin

Thomas Hartshorn
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Thomas Hartshorn

I’m also live in a NAZI state, (Florida ) I’m am trying to fight this rape of my Constitutional rights, but have never seen such ignorance and disregard for the Constitution. Why don’t the people supporting this maggot law move to Russia. You won’t have to worry about guns and you will have the appreciation of sane patriots!!!!!!!!

Anthony
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Anthony

I almost always support the police but these officers should rot in prison if not hang for Treason. They not only violated this mans 2nd Amendment rights to protect himself, his 5th Amendment right to due process, and his 4th Amendment right which is supposed to protect him from illegal search and seizure. These officers and lawmakers swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and murdered a innocent man in his own home for justifiably trying to defend his rights which is the reason we have the 2nd Amendment. I hope his family sues the Hell out of… Read more »

Nathan
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Nathan

Seems like anyone that’s phobic about knowing you have a firearms could get one of these unconstitutional acts against someone. And that’s probley the case in 99% of those case’s

J Allen
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J Allen

You are precisely correct. The far left in Hollywood and mass media have spent decades demonizing gun owners and firearms enthusiasts by painting them as violent, unstable, anti-government, sociopathic domestic terrorists—and as a result, an increasing majority of the public have come to view them as such. To many people in large cities—particularly the coastal liberal strongholds— the desire to own a gun and/or champion 2nd Amendment rights is perceived as “violent” behavior tantamount to “posing a threat to others.” …So…if my liberal neighbor feels “threatened” by the mere fact that I own a firearm for self-protection, that would be… Read more »

Donald Steele
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Donald Steele

Now the man has no rights. He is shot dead by police. His guns have been taken. They are not allowed to take away guns at all. Even from felons because it’s to easy to get a felony in a corrupt justice department. Look what they are doing to our President. The justice department has been infiltrated by ex United states soldiers who seen combat and training in disarming a suburban city. Folks the democratic confederation communist, socialist party has influenced law enforcement, took teaching jobs in Republican states untaught Republican Christian children from Republican and godly values. Unconstitutional laws… Read more »

JC
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JC

I currently live in a state that does not have a Red Flag law. I understand people’s concern about all the mass shootings and the need to do something to prevent future killings. That being said, I tend to go along with the crowd that says any law can and will be abused at some point, thats human nature. Their always has been and always will be those who abuse power/laws to gain their objective. So far, based on what I have read concerning this incident (and I do normally support the police) I think the officers in this instance… Read more »

willy d
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willy d

At 5am they are treating a law abiding citizen like a drug Raid, what area is their head located, the darker area than night? And they talk about trying to curb a confrontation? I would really like to see how this all really came down, but this is something that will be swept under the rug for sure!!!!!

Dan Louis
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Dan Louis

Nothing good will come from this, law-abiding people will not open their doors to the police anymore. The police will not tell you why they’re there they will just want you to come outside or want you to open up your doors to talk to them don’t do it.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

@Andy Buckmichael: Here comes da troll, here comes da troll!

Andy Buckmichael
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Andy Buckmichael

Local law enforcement in this country is totally out of control. A cop kills someone and it is high fives from all the other cops. I think it is time for the citizens to start doing the high fives.

GregTorchia
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GregTorchia

Ever think of a high-five might be because he survived and because he was a targetWhich seems to be the norm these daysNo respect for anything laws people country you know the ones

Robert Flores
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Robert Flores

The victim was the target. This law violates 2nd amendment rights under the US Constitution. He didn’t have s record of violence, he didn’t break any laws. Some one pissed off at him made an unjustly accusation and with out due process, his home was invaded to confiscate hid legally obtained fire arms. This is how liberals will take your guns.. if they know you own o e the make a habitual false accusation that you are a threat to public safety or to yourself, and without justification or your right to protect your home from un-just government (second ammendment)… Read more »

Joe Soliwoda
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Joe Soliwoda

I’m a 40yr old American man, who is also a VERY proud patriot! My great grandparents fled occupied Poland to escape the NAZI’s agenda. What the fuck is goin on? Why are we allowing this?? By Constitutional law EVERYONE can and should own firearms. Including Military grade weapons. To defeat an oppressive government the people are given the right by God to own, train with, and worst case respond with equal power to a tyrannical Government. Tired of seeing our 2A rights chipped away by these fake shootings, bullshit controlled media, and the liberal anti gun agenda. I’m just one… Read more »

Doug Ruggles
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Doug Ruggles

I’m with you, Joe!! It starts with parents and teachers. Think about how much time our children spend in school in front of the teacher or their parents. The standards have weakened in this country, everyone thinks they can do their own thing without consequences and believe they are expressing their own individuality. Little do they know they are acting like and following one another, no individualism there. Real history is no longer taught in our school systems. The parents have removed themselves from their children’s lives because they want time for themselves not understanding what it takes to be… Read more »

Bob
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Bob

Guns will now be hidden, not in the gun safe. The only guns in the gun safe will be those the person doesn’t care if the police take. Making it easier for thieves to get their hands on them. More gun violence by criminals.

willy d
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willy d

@JanBewley; You are right about the No Guns Laws, and the Drug Laws, the Drug Laws are doing a great job aren’t they and how many years have they been on the books, maybe if the police went after the Drug Pushers like they did with this man, it might cut down on the Drugs better, shoot first check out the story second!!!!!!!! If they take law abiding citizens guns away then only the criminals will have them and they play by no rules or regulations!!!!!!!!!! @Mike S; I used to live in Pa. and all of the gun clubs… Read more »

James Bursey
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James Bursey

The red flag laws sound like the leprosy laws in Hawaii in the 1800’s. You could say you thought someone had leprosy and they were immediately banished to Molakai. It became a way to get rid of anyone you didnt like. It was many years before the law was repealed. Many innocent people, without leprosy, were banished without any recourse.

Kenneth Jackson
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Kenneth Jackson

>>FLASH~ALERT<< Guns are as plentiful for purchase off the street as are illegal drugs. What good is this law and it's ability to confiscate the guns of supposed problemed individuals??? Anyone can purchase a gun off the street without an ID, background search, no paperwork/registration, ect. Just give them the cash. This law is so laughable, yet it cost this guy his life. It's such a shame this guy gave up his life without knowing they could take his guns and he could repurchase guns again without any problems. Yet, I can see where anyone would be angered and try… Read more »

Doug Ruggl
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Doug Ruggl

So! Let’s summarize, they created this law to protect people. They go in and kill this gun owner based on what someone says.

Thomas Hartshorn
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Thomas Hartshorn

YEP

Mike
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Mike

Well I guess the family member that called Police without a single shred of evidence that he was such a danger to himself or others fells real good about their actions. But then again Democrats and Libertards are all about dis-arming this country at any cost. Even the life of their own family members…… I guess we should all just be glad there isn’t a half dozen dead police as well.

willy d
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willy d

@Tb; Right on 1999 so the public couldn’t hurt themselves, started in Conn. and what good has come out of that state sense?

Warren Schimmeyer
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Warren Schimmeyer

Land of the free! Where?

willy d
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willy d

@BobbyBacala; It doesn’t seem to bother you about school shootings you probably don’t know anyone who has lost a child, so if somebody is looking for a solution to the problem, maybe you could get your head out of your a-s to try to get the useless politicians to work on that problem and scream loud enough to get their attention on that problem, like I have said before, after 9/11 the T S A was formed in less than 30 days for the airports, Why since 1999 Columbine haven’t the politicians come up with anything but NO GUN ZONES?… Read more »

Matt
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Matt

This is unconstitutional. Taking away guns without due process is tyranny at its finest!

John
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John

They should do away with gun free zones and have a armed security guard or guards depending on the size of the school. This weed eater people from going and targeting unarmed gun-free zones. And when the teachers see problems with a student they should report it to the principal or superintendent instead of ignoring it like the school in Florida and others that have tragically happened. My father was a teacher for 33 years back when they had corporal punishment which I feel they should still have. The lack of discipline of a child has caused them to not… Read more »

Boss Bacon
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Boss Bacon

Your (((Gun Control))) hoaxes mean nothing. You have no right to attack innocent people over your fake crimes.

Doug Ruggles
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Doug Ruggles

We hear your passion, BobbyBacala. It’s the same passion we all have for life but the reality that most everyone here is frustrated about is the fact that people want to throw band-aids on a problem. You can’t just say, make is stop or wish it away and that is what I hear from you and others but there is a much deeper reality people don’t want to face. Fact: Whatever gun law(s) you, others or worse yet our politicians can dream up will not have “any” impact toward achieving a solution. Most here understand World, as well as US… Read more »

John Dow
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John Dow

5:17AM – the jackbooted thugs show up to serve a warrant on an otherwise non-violent person.

That’s the idiocy right there, how can they expect the subject to be rational? They’re looking for a confrontation.

tomcat
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tomcat

Our own president Trump started this wave of illegal confiscation without a day in court. It is illegal as it can be according to our Constitution which means, to me, that the ones we count on to keep our laws fair are letting us down. The civil war seems to be getting closer.

Another note, the woman that turned the deceased in to the jack booted squad should take time to reflect on what she did. If you give them an inch they will take a mile.

Tb
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Tb

Didn’t the article read that this started in 1999?

Clyde Braun
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Clyde Braun

1999 Conn. Sandy hook elementary school shooting. Conn. Laws were first changed. leading to Maryland present day RED FLAG LAW.

David J Timmons
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David J Timmons

And do tell, how you can possibly confuse this red flag law in MD with the president. That is just plain ignorance. Please let us all know how this is in anyway Trump’s fault.

tomcat
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tomcat

@ Tb and David Timmons Tb I stated that Trump started THIS wave of the unConstitutional gun grab.
David Timmons I did not confuse anything. You may want to research his first speech after the Broward County shooting at the school. There it is plain and simple.
I support what Trump has done except this and his mention of a bump stop ban.

james
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james

That motto ‘serve and protect’ is false advertising and should be removed from 100% of police vehicles.

The man was not a violent felon or prison escapee, why not stop by during the daytime?

Gail McFarland
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Gail McFarland

I believe some cars now say to defend and uphold the law. Did you know in Washington DC the police don’t have to.

Herb
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Herb

But if it only saves ONE life, it’s worth it…oh wait…ahh, guess that guy died didn’t he…well, this is awkward, he he….

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Herb, good humor!

Jan Bewley
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Jan Bewley

All a “no gun” law would do is to take guns from “law abiding citizens.” There are Drug laws too but you know that anyone can get drugs in any town in this country… Gun laws will not stop gun violence anymore than Drug laws stop drugs. Gun laws will only give gun toting CRIMINALS the advantage. Good people will be helpless.

Robert Strong
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Robert Strong

How does law enforcers know that a person has one or more firearms in a house unless the person is required by the state to register them or law enforcement in other states is voluntarily told by either the owner or someone who knows the owner well enough to know he or she has one or more? In the first example, there would be no reason to confiscate firearms unless the owner was suspected to have used one or more to commit a crime. In that case, forced entry with weapons drawn would be authorized and the owner(s) taken into… Read more »

Gordo
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Gordo

Wake up people! The feds already have complete records of EVERY GUN & ammo PURCHASE! When an FFL dealer closes his store all 4473 records must be transferred to the BATF and then put into the federal database. Plate readers are used in the parking lots of gun shows, records of credit card sales of ammo amounts & caliber are recorded, cameras are everywhere including those new airborne ones that track your starting point & stops & destinations for 24 hours. The lasers can even read and ID vehicle inspection barcodes stickers, not just vehicle plates and pictures of drivers… Read more »

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Well, you’re close except when you buy ammo for cash at a gun show there’s no record and if you bought your guns on private sale there’s no record. Further, if you bought your guns just 20 years ago the paper records are sitting, in boxed, in a warehouse in WV and while possible, it would be a herculean task to computerize them. Finally, if you make your own from 80% lowers, well, no record there either.

Michael Bean
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Michael Bean

Really? ..” those new airborne ones that track your starting point & stops and destinations for 24 hours.” I mean no offense,. But are you wearing a tin hat like Mel Gibson and family in the invasion from outer space movie? Paranoid conspiracy theory anyone?

John McCann
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John McCann

I hate to burst your bubble but new cars and cell phones are being tracked.

Paul
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Paul

If you do not like someone swatting has been used to kill some you do not like. This law make it easer. As I recall some next door Nabors did this to a governor & his wife ( I do not remember witch state) but it ended safely after the arriving
offers reckoned him.

Michael Bean
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Michael Bean

Would that be Jim Nabors? You do need to try and remember the ” witch state “. That would assist Mueller in his witch hunt.

Michael Bean
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Michael Bean

Oops- I forgot to ask what swatting is. Is it a nickname for SWAT teams, or is it a special technique that they are trained in. It must be on a need to know basis. I’ve never heard of it.

J Allen
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J Allen

“Swatting” is the practice of calling 911 on an innocent person and falsely reporting that a violent crime (like a hostage situation or similar) is currently underway at their address. This prompts the SWAT team to show up and break down the innocent person’s door, often with horrible repercussions for the innocent person, often by making them the victim of police brutality or worse as the SWAT team thinks they are responding to a serious life-or-death situation.

Backlash
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Backlash

A liberal is a person who wants to take away your right to own a firearm to save the lives of children. Yet that same liberal wants to keep their right to kill that same child before they are even born if it is an inconvenience to them.

How messed up is that!

AL
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AL

THANKS FOR YOUR POST.
WHAT MY CONCERN IS THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE IN A FAMILY THAT THINGS THAT ANOTHER FAMILY MEMBER SHOULD NOT HAVE A GUN/GUNS. SO ONE LIBERAL FAMILY MEMBER CAN JUST SUBMIT A STATEMENT ON A FAMILY MEMBER OR NEIGHBOR, AND TAKE AWAY THE GUNS OF ANOTHER WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. PERFECT WAY BY THE DEMOCRATS TO TAKE AWAY OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
DOING THAT TO ME AT 5:AM COULD CAUSE THE SAME RESULTS. I WONDER HOW THE PERSON SUBMITTING THE REQUEST TO KILL HER RELATIVE.

John
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John

I can tell you that if I get a knock on my door at 5 am….I most certainly will have a gun in hand…..I also have a gun when I answer the door during the day…..you will not see it…but it is there….I don’t know if I would have done anything different than this guy….he done nothing wrong but own a gun….and he got killed for that.

Steve
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Steve

I would like to see the one who put the Confiscation Order in and ask them how it worked out for them.

randy
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randy

To the libs it is zero unless it can be used for gun control . Abortion that is supported by the libs kill more children than guns ,so , this gun control for children is a big farce.

GregTorchia
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GregTorchia

I’ve got an idea don’t tell anybody Aunts ,sisters ,your grandma ,tell nobody shit what you have for firearms or weapons or ammo and buy private sale therefore avoiding the numbers gameOr waiting to be stalked down like an animalYour choice second amendment was to be against a tyrannical government sounds like we’ve got one

Russ
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Russ

They can use this BS to silence you, taking your 1st,and 2nd at the same time.

Mike Mccue
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Mike Mccue

Well… We have Google, Twitter, FB, etc. Abridging our 1st amendment rights, at the same time States like Maryland are trampling all over our 2nd amendment rights! Bye bye USA.. Hello the UK!

willy d
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willy d

@Vanns40; What I meant was keep the pressure on about the Red Flag Laws and the pressure on about something more important School Security, when I get in a politicians face I always ask this Question: What Is The Price Of Childs Life?, the answer is always a mouth full of excuses and no direct answer, other than Ban Guns!!!!!! The other answer is also ALWAYS IS HOW MUCH IT WILL COST? This is where I always ask my question!!!!!!!!!

KTexas
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KTexas

We have a very large problem in this country and the NRA simply ignores it. Constitutionally speaking, how does a person lose the right to keep and bear arms when they haven’t been adjudicated as a prohibited person. In fact, no one even knows whose on the list until an event like this one, that caused a private citizen to lose his life. Where were the video cameras so often used by police today? Before the 2016 election, John Cornyn, our republican senator from Texas proposed the “Sportsman’s Act” and the NRA supported it. It required that a person must… Read more »

David J Timmons
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David J Timmons

Buried in the sand? Do you even know what the NRA-ILA is doing to fight these unconstitutional laws?

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Gotcha!!!!

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Willy d: Keeping up the pressure against “red flag” laws may just save lives and preserve our Constitutional freedoms at the same time so I’m not sure what your point is.

willy d
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willy d

@Vann40; The same goes about shouting about The Red Flagg Laws, The same goes for School Security (WHAT PRICE IS A CHILDS LIFE)

Bobby Bacala
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Bobby Bacala

The price is freedom my friend. Children die everyday. You’re pontificating.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

One question keeps cropping up whenever these laws are proposed and neither the people who propose the laws, the police, the prosecutors nor the judges ever want to answer it: If these people are so dangerous that their guns must be confiscated immediately, why are they allowed to remain on the streets? Why aren’t they involuntarily committed?

Perhaps it’s time we started shouting this question at any legislator who proposes a “red flag” law and not stop shouting until he answers.

Tracy Ball
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Tracy Ball

But this will stop suicide from happening with there great insight. As far taking the guns away before the person, you need to entertain the source’s mental state of process to find any form of common sense. Plus if you look at societies required desired to self service with the given ability to impose your thoughts and needs on other people. It is pretty simple. I will just remain completely losing faith in the coarse of people. This law borders on an attempt to create martial law or civil rights infringement.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Tracy Ball…In this case suicide prevention = murder by cop !! And in Wichita Ks. they went to an address that had nothing to do with the argument and killed a completely uninvolved person . The Swatter (from california) also not involved in the on line gaming argument is now up for sentencing . His sentencing was delayed yesterday because the judge hearing the case was involved in a case of ” a county commissioner is on trial for money laundering . Go figure….

aryeh s.
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aryeh s.

This not the way to do this. Wait until the person being served comes out to do anything. Like going to the store, work, taking out the trash, or just anything. Better then confronting him inside his home. This way he would be alive to fight the Red Flag Gun Confiscation Order in the court, and a officer would not have been pushed to shoot a startled subject. Just my opinion and I know everyone has one.

willy d
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willy d

I understand what these idiots are trying to do, to keep people from hurting themselves or someone else, butt as usual and I mean butt, they now are developing a process not of do process, but only by hearsay that anyone or anybody can just say anything about a person and the judge just issues a warrant and the police go to serve it, the person involved has no idea of why or who has made this all possible just by making a statement! With this I only see it getting worse, people in all of these states better wake… Read more »

Ron Linder
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Ron Linder

and how do you know the “officer” at the door is really a police officer and not a home invasion……..

David I Nelson
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David I Nelson

Please do not show up at my house “At 5:17 AM on” any morning. You will likely be greetings by an armed homeowner, with the other calling 911 and grabbing a long gun… WHY: At 5:17 AM ??? Why risk the LEOs??? What happened to Serve and Protect??? Without Due Process, so much is at risk 🙁 Sad days we have reached…

CyborgHunter
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CyborgHunter

“To serve and protect,” is a Moto, not policy or law.
Multiple court rulings have made it clear that the police serve the government and have NO obligation to protect citizens.

Vincent Brady
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Vincent Brady

When they say “serve and protect”, many believe they are talking about people, they are not! They are talking about our system of laws and regulations, this is why LEOs have a career in “law enforcement”. It is not and never was about your personal protection.

J
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J

Warren v. District of Columbia 
     Police have no obligation to protect 

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@CH, I have long wondered how a court can “balance our Second Amendment enshrined Civil Right against the state’s interest in public safety” and then insist that they have no duty to protect the public.
If the state has no duty to protect citizens, then what is this public safety interest that the courts diminish our Civil Rights in favor of?

Px421a
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Px421a

Just a big fight over dictionary definition rights…

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian

Einsatzgruppen in America.

Remember this every time you see any cop of any kind.

Rob
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Rob

These officers and the Governor should be charged with murder!

Jay V. Mariol
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Jay V. Mariol

Holy Shit, Thank you Democrats for another man murdered because of your fear of law-abiding citizens that have legaly owned firearms. What the hell is wrong with judges by-passing due process? Better yet, move out of states that take away your right to due process.

Thomas Hartshorn
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Thomas Hartshorn

I hate to tell you but I live in Florida and we also have the DAMN NAZI RED FLAG LAW. AND you can thank REPUBLICAN S for passing this anti citizen law here. And another news flash, Comrade Marco Rubio, A REPUBLICAN SENATOR FROM FLORIDA HAS RECENTLY FILED SB 7 – THE RED FLAG LAW NATIONWIDE!!!
I am not defending the worthless dumbocraps, but want you to know there that the DAMN REPUBLICAN are betraying us and have A LOT OF BLOOD ON THESE HANDS. Just giving credit to where it’s due.

Step
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Step

Read the title again. Ends? This is just the beginning. So sad.

ABRAHAM TORRES
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ABRAHAM TORRES

And so it begins …. Hold on to your hat’s ladies and gentlemen. It was only a matter of time before a tragedy like this happened. With a Democratic Socialist House things will only get worse. This type of incident should not happen if Legislators and Law enforcement upheld their oath to defend the Constitution. God Bless America

randy
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randy

The liberal communist want all gun owners dead and you know who will be leading the charge financed by many rich libatards.

Mike S.
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Mike S.

I’ve thought about this case quite a bit over the last day or so. My feeling now is that the trajectory of these scenarios is one where normal gun owners in these states, upon seeing police on their property, will simply open fire regardless since there is apparently no way to know that one of these snitch reports has been filed, the cops are better than 50% likely to kill them anyway, and in any case it’s blatantly unconstitutional and is felony trespass and assault under color of law – serious and capital crimes that in any reasonable republic would… Read more »

That Farmer again
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That Farmer again

Following

On second thought I’ll comment on something I’ve been ruminating on the last few days.

NY elected the most anti gun governor for a third tirm. He won by a landslide in cities and lost in rural pro2a areas.

Shooting on sight is an excellent way to reinforce the city mentally that people with guns are violent.

Maybe if we all can be better people and venture into anti gun wilderness of the cities and convert one person then maybe we can turn the tide?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@TFa, How would you venture into anti-gun wilderness and convert someone?

Mike S.
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Mike S.

Bill – I’ve tried it several times and only been successful once so far. Take them to an outdoor range on a slow day, start with .22LR at close range and start with a GAME. Don’t put up silhouettes (people shaped or animal shaped) as targets for any reason, only bullseyes or other non-animal target pictures, and make a game of it. Teach with a game of skill. Don’t mention hunting, defense, insurrection, sedition, politics, etc. Then wrap up the day with a nice dinner out and conversation that has nothing to do with guns. Make the gun part of… Read more »

al
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al

Very well said. With all that is going on, HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT THE DRESSED UP PEOPLE LOOKING LIKE COPS ARE TRUELY OFFICERS OF THE LAW????

Joe Citizen
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Joe Citizen

You have the right to shoot anyone who shows up at your doorstep to illegally confiscate your firearms FULL STOP. The fact that they are wearing a badge makes not one bit of difference. This type of behavior is what caused the Founders to ultimate rebel and create the US – British soldiers were confiscating people’s weapons and invading their private property and quartering there. Any cop that will carry out these unconstitutional orders is nothing but a ZOG stooge waging war against their own citizenry. I have never been a fan of fed alphabet agencies but I did have… Read more »

Milton W Lowe
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Milton W Lowe

I THINK THIS IS A LAW THAT COULD BE ABUSED BY AUTHORITIES. IF A PERSON GOES ALONG WITH IT & GIVES UP HIS/HER GUN/S DO THEY HAVE A WAY TO GET THEM BACK?

Robert Pollard
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Robert Pollard

They already are abusing it. Thus the article. And I highly doubt you will ever get them back. It’s probably like the “list” you can get on that Obama cane up with that once you get tagged, you’re tagged for life unless you have more money than the government to fight them with.

Doug Ruggles
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Doug Ruggles

Hence the laws of due process. The whole point is to assume innocence, prevent wrongly accusing, and prevent abuse of law.

Thomas Hartshorn
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Thomas Hartshorn

Maybe if you have a lot of money for court and defense attorney