Drug Dealer Ambush or Defense Against Home Invasion?

Drug Dealer Ambush or Defense Against Home Invasion?
Drug Dealer Ambush or Defense Against Home Invasion?

Arizona -(Ammoland.com)- The recent killing of a couple in Houston, Texas, and the wounding of four police officers, has been claimed to be an ambush of police by drug dealers.

Later accounts by officers at the scene show that police broke into the house, and fired first, killing the couple's dog.

The husband then fired back, wounding the officer who killed their dog.

Officers then shot the unarmed 58-year-old wife. They claim she was attempting to get the shotgun from the wounded officer. From cnn.com:

When Monday afternoon's raid was over, two suspects were dead and five officers were injured, four of them suffering gunshot wounds.

The first officer fired a shotgun blast, killing the dog. Suspect Dennis Tuttle, 59, initially retreated but returned with a .357 Magnum, shooting the officer in the shoulder, the chief said. The officer collapsed onto a couch in the living room.

As the other narcotics officers charged through the door — which Acevedo described as a “fatal funnel” — the second suspect, Rhogena Nicholas, 58, tried to wrestle the shotgun away from the officer on the couch. Police quickly shot her.

More gunfire was exchanged as the 54-year-old officer who breached the door — the officer who knocks down the door goes in last — charged into the fray, realizing his fellow officers were in trouble.

“He immediately knew his partners were down and he made entry. When he made entry, he got shot,” Acevedo said. “You know your brother's down, your sister's down, you go in, and that's what they did.”

This account differs markedly from what was first released. From  foxnews.com:

At about 4:15 p.m. local time, a group of about a dozen officers with the Houston Police's narcotics unit responded to a residence they suspected was a hub for drug dealing, particularly the sale of “street-level narcotics” like “black tar heroin,” Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo said at an evening news conference held outside the hospital. The two suspects had opened fire on the team of officers.

“Narcotics officers tried to serve a search warrant,” Acevedo said. “They announced themselves as police at the time. Immediately upon reaching the door, the officers came under fire from one or two suspects.” One suspect, according to the police chief, momentarily retreated into the home and then returned to the front of the location to resume shooting.

Early reports are often wrong. We should get more details as an investigation occurs.

Particularly disturbing about this case is information about the married couple who were killed in their home, along with their dog. They were 59 and 58 years old.  So far, there has not been any indication of criminal records. Nor did the police find any “black tar heroin” they claimed was being sold at the house.

This was a planned raid.  We should be able to determine exactly what happened, from the police point of view, from the body cameras.

The police had them and had them turned on, right? It was all planned. They knew there would be action. So they had a video to defend themselves if there was a problem… Right?

There are enough inconsistencies in this raid to want to see the video.

None of the officers' names are being released… Because it is claimed, they all work undercover.  At least two of the officers are 50-year-old sergeants.

The response of the President of the Houston Police Officer's Union, Joe Gamaldi, is not reassuring.  From abc13.com:

“Enough is enough. If you're the ones out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy, well just know we've all got your number now,” Gamaldi said. “We're going to be keeping track on all of y'all, and we're going to make sure to hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”

That sounds a lot like a threat to anyone who dares to question the police narrative.

I hope this was treated like other crime scenes. I want a proper investigation. We should be able to recreate who was where and who fired what.

Show us the video, Joe. Then you may have some credibility.

We now know this wasn't an ambush by drug dealers. The police admit they fired the first shot, killing the family dog. That is not an ambush.

How much was a legitimate defense of home against home invaders who, as far as the married couple knew, might be simply claiming to be police? How much was criminal resistance against a legitimate police action?

An armed home defender in Houston recently shot and killed three home invaders. He wounded two others. The police told him he did the right thing.

Most homes in Texas are armed. Texas law is designed to facilitate the armed defense of the home.

Show us the video. I want to see where the police knocked on the door and waited for a response.

About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

  • 83 thoughts on “Drug Dealer Ambush or Defense Against Home Invasion?


    2. No new news from major news about this raid. Apparently for a lot of people no news is good news about the happening. I expect that a Texas Ranger would have conversations with the Houston PD by now. Well, even Texas Rangers follow orders from popular Texas governors. I sent the Governor an email asking if an investigation is under way. No response yet, I will likely have a conversation with a Ranger instead.

      It seems that all the powers to be along with all their men and horses will let this memory fade to oblivion. I am old and will likely die before this memory fades. A dying wish would be for a public investigation of this matter. We need others to carry on now to bring to bay the real villains in this case. Results should be posted were all can see.

    3. Has anyone seen any updates on the raid? Right now everything smells of a backed up sewer in that the police executed a no knock warrant on the wrong house?

      “Police’s narcotics unit responded to a residence they suspected was a hub for drug dealing, particularly the sale of “street-level narcotics” like “black tar heroin,”” yet none was found? Did they make a purchase to confirm they had the right house address?

    4. 12 years as a federal HazMat officer, been on my share of warrant “visits”. There have been bad intel, including set-up’s by druggers trying to eliminate their competition via cop. So, there really needs to be a set of facts made available on this one.

    5. I drive uber, yesterday (Saturday) 2-2-19 I took a Houston fireman to the George Bush International airport. He told me that the raid was on the wrong address. He said the firemen from his station had learned of the wrong address raid by listening to the police radio. I had no Ideal about that, so today I google the raid, and wrong address and came here. I watched the videos from this reporter, and it matches what the fireman told me. That’s my two cents. Hoping it wasn’t true, but there it is.


    6. The pictures of the people killed in the Houston PD raid. They do not seem to be mug shots rather more like family portraits. I did not notice photographs listed in the search warrant. I wonder if the news media obtained permission prior to publishing the pictures. I noticed the police chief smiling while holding them in his arms as if they were awards or pictures of hunting trophies. I just think this is disrespectful of the dead and insensitive to family. I feel this way even thou I never knew of these people before they were dead. Apparently the police never knew of these people either until after they killed them.

    7. Local news had a really quickly put together animation of the events…put together I believe by the cops…or maybe by the same guys who proved via animation that TWA 800 continued its climb for 3000 feet without a nose while falling fuel ignited from the bottom of the stream and burned upwards to disprove a missile strike.

    8. I wonder if this couple was “doxxed” by a neighbor who didn’t like them, or by a confidential informant who got the details of the address or other information wrong that led to this so-called raid. Secondly, why has it become the standard operating procedure for law enforcement to issue a warrant by breaking into people’s homes, rather than calling and then knocking on the suspect’s door? Sure, you may be thinking: “but that will give the suspects time to flush drugs, destroy evidence, get their guns…” But we live in a different world in the 21st century. Our local government officials have real-time access to our residential and sometimes even our mobile phone numbers. Hackers are relatively easily able to use technologies to view the inside of homes through computer cameras, nanny cams and smart home devices (Amazon’s Alexa, GoogleHome, and Nest are just some of the many in-home spyware companies available) that provide real-time audio and video recording of peoples homes. I also no longer respect law enforcement that treats citizens as already-convicted felons, simply to enforce a warranted search. They appear to be coming in with oftentimes violent and hostile actions and language, threatening to shoot and kill anyone who doesn’t immediately comply, and wearing armor and armed to the teeth. Sometimes, they will carry out these “searches” by storming in during the dead of the night or early morning hours, even with people suspected of “white collar” crimes. There is no longer any presumption of innocence, no longer respectful communication towards citizens, and nobody is saying or doing anything about this kind of behavior by the police anymore, even when people never having a criminal record are finding their doors kicked in and jacketed storm troopers are coming in shooting family pets and anyone reaching reflexively for a firearm for personal home defense. With all of the shouting, cussing, and demands to fall to the ground, who is going to hear a cop say first: we have a warrant to search your residence for…x… and we would like you to allow us into your home to conduct the search. Reminding them that they may call their lawyer, as well? NO? INSTEAD we are under the boot of the police state who is too quick to bomb us out of our domestic peace and tranquility with F-this and F-ing that! commands and guns drawn and aimed at family members. Now, for this particular case, the wife should never have gone for the shotgun. That was certainly a fatal mistake. But, what was her state of mind at that point? What led her to move towards that shotgun? WE NEED TO SEE ALL OF THE VIDEOS that were on the scene. EACH officer’s cams (if any were uniformed officers), and did this family have any eavesdropping devices such as the ones mentioned above sitting in the living room facing the door? If so, was any of this captured and available for the public to review, also?

        1. I have not seen or heard any follow up reports or investigations. Has anyone else? Looks like we are having another news event death.

      1. In this particular case I would not say that the wife should have never gone for the shotgun or that it was a mistake. Preventing an assailant’s full control of their weapon is a viable (life saving) action. I understand that the wife did not have control of a weapon. It seems that the woman could have been subdued by one, two, three, or more of the men in the assault team easily and safely. Instead, these armed and armored men shot an unarmed, unarmored women to death.
        Everything else in your writing I agree with.
        I have to say more. If the husband and wife were proper drug dealers, their shotguns would be at the ready. Any assailant would have been splattered with buckshot and slugs so fast that he would not have even seen the dog.

    9. Dean, You can’t be serious, It sounds to me like you have slipped a gear here. Considerations are:
      1. The officers had a Search Warrant. To get the warrant, you must have made an undercover purchase of drugs from the location.
      2. For the officers to want to get a search warrant there must have been (a) a citizens complaint, (b) a nexus to another drug investigation where drugs were seized, (c) a referral from a joint police intelligence data base that indicated drug activity.
      3. Shooting “Rex the wonder dog” the alleged family pet, was because the dog was violently aggressive! A “normal” family dog would run under the couch and shit and wimpier. Drug dealers have aggressive dogs for a reason.
      4. Tar heroin is expensive. and possession for sale or sales engenders very stiff prison sentences. Therefore most tar heroin dealers have small amounts on hand and re-up from from hidden near by sources.
      5. The officers were in uniform, raid jackets, vests, etc. that are clearly marked “Police” So your narrative of a citizen protecting himself from a home invasion is ludicrous!
      6. Any deviation in the initial press release is due to the fact that Police executives are so neutered from fear of the press, and how the Department might “look” that they sometimes get it wrong initially. These guys shot 5 officers! Think about that. Five officers, means this guy was a dedicated hard core criminal, un-afraid of the police, what chance do you think a law abiding citizen would have against such a violent criminal?
      7. The woman suspect tried to take the shot gun away from the clearly marked uniformed officer, that was down. Would your wife or the average citizen try that? I think not.
      8. The police union guy WAS in my opinion issuing a warning or threat, because the police have ben victimized by every minority or criminal organization such as “ANTIFA” “MALDIF”, an increasing radicalized NAACP Leadership, and and left wing radical politicians because there is money and political power to be had. Now the leftist Marxist-Socalist movement financed by the Soros, Blumburg, Pelosi cabal will run with this narrative thanks to you delusional rant. Don’t forget on July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five (5) officers and injuring nine (9) others. Two civilians were also wounded. Where were you Dean? You claim to have been a Police Officer. I imagine you as Barney Fife in Mayberry RFD, or maybe you were fired for cause. I would like to know. I am a firm supporter of the 2nd amendment, but people come in all shapes, sizes and IQ’s. Clearly your IQ is so low to spout your moronic rhetoric before an investigation has determined the actual events. Lastly these guys were street cops, not the tarnished, political, Federals. This wasn’t Peter Strzok or Lisa Page here.

      1. I normally defend police but there is a question of why they did not find any drugs I remember a movie Tom Sellick was in where he was the victim of two crooked cops who framed him for drugs when they realized they had the wrong house and shot him in the process. It is vital that the camera video be released as soon as possible. If it is not what are the cops hiding? The reason they have the cameras is to prove they are doing things right. The good old boy system of covering the ass of fellow officers who commit crimes has NOT been eradicated yet. This is the reason for the cameras.

      2. “3. Shooting “Rex the wonder dog” the alleged family pet, was because the dog was violently aggressive! A “normal” family dog would run under the couch and shit and wimpier. Drug dealers have aggressive dogs for a reason”

        BS, a normal family dog would run up to greet new interesting people. It doesn’t know to be scared of cops.

      3. Hey Joe, I seem to remember a Federal Govt Agency obtaining a FISA warrant using less than ethical or even legal methods. I am sorry that all you have ever had has been scared whimpering dogs. But then they say that dogs are like their owners. I have yet to hear an initial police press meeting that got the story right. Reminds me of the bar shooting in California where the perp shot the responding CHP Officer; oops, he was hit and killed by “friendly fire.” Here is a news flash for you Joe, there are plenty of street cops that are “tarnished” as well as the Feds. Go sell crazy somewhere else Joe, we’re full up around here.

      4. Joe Rahe,

        1 & 2) I don’t know what the laws are in Texas regarding the issuance of search warrants, but in a number of States a sworn statement by one (or more) “Confidential Informer” with a statement by an officer stating “Reasonable Belief” of “Suspicious Activities”, is enough for issuing a search warrant. Then you can get into what is Reasonable Belief”, “Suspicious Activity” and the many other catch phrases used by law enforcement to get search warrants. However, what might be sufficient for one judge may not be for another in the same circuit. Law enforcement agencies are known for “shopping” judges to find which one/s aren’t as strict in their definition of “Probable Cause”. Not having a copy of both the request and the search warrant I’m withholding comment, but considering the information coming out regarding the incident the officers requesting, their supervisors and the department/s better hope all “i”s were dotted and all “t”s were crossed as it now seems the raid was on the wrong address!
        3) As for the lead officer shooting “Rex the Wonder Dog” because “…he was violently aggressive!” (Your words) is total Bull Shit! Did you somehow “magically” observe the raid in real time? I don’t remember (or see) the police saying anything about why or even acknowledging that the dog was shot so I’d like to know where you received that specific information. Then the first officer in just blowing away a dog with a 12 gauge shotgun (even if it is “Standard Operating Procedure (SOP)” without any indication of violent behavior is not going to be received well in the court of public opinion, especially if this does to court. There was a similar occurrence here locally when two officers were going a welfare check on an eighty-plus year old man and one officer shot the family’s miniature Dachshund because it “growled” at him! Needless to say, that officer is now being re-evalusted as to his fitness as a LEO, being sued for veterinarian costs plus the family’s pain and suffering and is a laughing stock by public and police. BTW, his department has publicly apologized for the incident, condemned his behavior and will not help him in any way with the suit against him. Now, what do you think the public’s reaction will be if it comes out that an “attack Chihuahua, Pomeranian, Yorkie or similar “violently aggressive” breed was killed by the officer? They will crucify everybody on that them and the whole department as well! That will easily be a few more million dollars added to any lawsuit.
        Concerning your statement “A “normal” family dog would run…shit and whimper.” shows me that you’ve never owned or spent any time around dogs. Dogs are territorial towards their humans and home and will growl, bark and sometimes attack anything unfamiliar that violates their territory, be it people, animals or things. From the smallest Chihuahua up to the largest Great Dane, that behavior is instinctual and they will act on that unless trained or mistreated enough to act otherwise (mistreated dogs are the ones that will run, shit and whine when faced with intruders; now I’m wondering how you knew that).
        4) Your reasoning for the police not finding any black tar herion is plausible, but you either didn’t read the whole statement or ignored parts of it. They stated that they found no black tar heroin OR ANY OTHER illegal drugs. Have you ever heard of any drug house ever not having any illegal drugs anywhere in the house? Not even those few misplaced or forgotten leaves of “a leafy, green substance”, those last few flakes of cocaine, meth or heroin left on the table, mirror, toliet lid, knife or razor blade or that dropped pill that rolled under the bed, dresser, TV or couch? Not unless they were warned weeks in advance and had professional cleaners to move and clean every single surface multiple times! No drugs were found in a suspected or known (depending on the source) drug house! Could it be possible that this house was NOT a suspected/known drug house? How could this be possible?
        5 & 7) These were undercover narcotics officers, they would be dressed in jeans, t-shirts, short-sleeved shirts, have long hair, beards, moustahes, earrings, piercings, etc. Not what Joe and Jane Public expect police officers to look like. They may have had windbreakers, ball caps and/or vests with “POLICE” on them, but so does anyone with internet access, transfers, irons and even (gasp!) CRIMINALS know where to get them. The police said this was a drug house, fortified, had a “sophisticated surveillance system” and firearms. This means they followed “No Knock” rules: break the doors down, enter and THEN announce “Police”. So, let’s see: Husband and wife are sitting down eating or watching TV when some “hippies/druggies/bikers/low-lifes breakdown your font door and shoot your dog before they say or do anything else. They might holler “Police”, but theyre not dressed like police, no uniforms, armored vests or helmets, anything. Considering the officer’s actions, its quite possible the couple believed they were the victims of a home invasion and acted according; the husband arming himself and neutralizing the first the art, the one SOB that killed their dog. He then invaded the other threats while his wife attempted to disarm the first invader who was still armed (and possibly arm herself). While the husband was able to shoot and wound four invaders, the last one was able to shoot and kill the wife before or while the husband was killed either by him or another officer. I don’t know about you, but I and many of my friends and acquaintances (including LEOs) would do exactly the same thing. NOTE: This also covered the last part of your part 6 regarding him shooting five officers. Yes, I can see many lawful civilians out shooting police officers. For years, study after study show the great majority of LEOs don’t shoot their issued/assigned firearms outside of qualifications; that’s once a year for most. That’s less than 50 rounds for their sidearm and less than 20 for the shotgun.; that’s excellent training, NOT! I go to the range at least once a month and shoot at a minimum of 200 rounds for the handgun, 300 for rifle and 100 for shotgun depending on the courses of fire I’m working on that month. Normally, I shoot handgun, rifle and shotgun each month with handguns every two weeks. That was my regular training long before I joined the Army and long before I even thought of becoming a LEO. Your thinking that all civilians would fold up, freak out, run away screaming or outright surrendering when faced with armed intruders is an insult to both men and women that refuse to be victims by whoever tries to attack them. Mr Tuttle did an excellent job neutralizing five armed intruders using a six-shot revolver. What would he have done with a large-capacity semiautomatic and extra magazines? I dont know, but the outcome could have been a lot worse for the police than it was.
        6) Deviations between the on-scene press conference and following conferences could be the police tidying up normal confusion or they could be trying to cover their asses as more information comes out and it begins to look as if a major fuck up has occurred. Did they knock then announce, break-in then announce, break-in/shoot then announce or did they ever announce? How was Mr Tuttle able to observe the shooting of the dog, leave the room, retrieve his revolver and then re-enter the room, shoot the first officer and engage the others before ANY of them could react? What was the sequence of events leading to the wounding of four officers, the entry of the last officer and then the killing of Mr Tuttle and his wife? Were any other firearms or any illegal drugs found in the house (seeing how none were paraded out for the press at follow-up conferences, I’d say none)? How about body-camera footage? If so, when will it be available? If not, why?
        8) Joe Gamaldi’s remarks ARE a threat! He needs to be removed from his job immediately and totally seperated from the police union. If he had said that they were going to hold BLM, ANTIFA and other groups targeting the police without regard for the truth accountable that would be acceptable. If you’re criminals looking to get the police, we’re coming for you is acceptable. The way he phrased it, he threatened every citizen, organisation and media outlet that questions the behaviors, methods and results of the police department. Now, when somebody hollers “POLICE brutality”, did they resist arrest or did they say or write something unfavorable towards the police? Did they actually commit a crime or is their arrest and charges retaliation for that letter to the editor or article they wrote last week? How many cases or charges are now going to be dismissed or reduced when “that letter” shows up in the news or courts questioning the police? Another case of an alligator mouth overriding a hummingbird brain.
        Lastly, your moronic attack the author completely nullifies any standing you might have had with many of us here. Mr Weingarten’s careers in the military and law enforcement do not prevent him from questioning the how’s and why’s of this incident, especially since two civilians were killed and five officers wounded. He has asked the questions that any educated individual would ask, including those of the Houston PD’s Internal Affairs department whenever an officer involved shooting occurs. There will be a very thorough and detailed HPD-IA investigation regarding the actions of every involved officer leading up to, during and after this incident, especially since it now seems major mistakes happened and safeguards failed. We can only hope that the complete findings will be released to the public without any attempts at a cover-up.
        BTW, are you or have you ever served in either the military or law enforcement, or are you just another idiot? Seeing how you have no understanding of police procedures regarding search warrants, raids and investigations following officer involved shootings, I’m pretty sure you’re just another idiot.

      5. Well Joe, it’s really scary that you can be wrong on so many levels. I’m going to go with you being a troll, because a police officer is usually smart enough to stay out of F ups of this nature. Covering your family in blue is one thing but going out of your way to post on a site like this is an obvious tell that you’re just a liberal troll trying to stir the pot. The police on this search warrant should have done their due diligence to avoid something like this.
        All your doing is making it more obvious the police have something to hide.

    10. “Narcotics officers tried to serve a search warrant,” Acevedo said. “They announced themselves as police at the time. Immediately upon reaching the door, the officers came under fire from one or two suspects.”

      YEA – YEA . . .

      . . . and the dead patsy in the hotel room in Vegas was the “lone shooter” with no motive.

      Move on . . .

      turn in your guns.

      1. It sounds like this couple got “swatted”, and the police didn’t do their due diligence after receiving the report that the couple was dealing drugs. And shooting the couple’s dog? My God that would set me off!

    11. We always hear the excuse that cops have a right to go home at the end of their shift and I agree completely. BUT!!! They have no MRE right to that than ANY OTHER working stiff! I do not recall where I read it but the plain fact is that for every LEO who is so much as wounded in the line of duty, LEOs KILL over ONE HUNDRED FIFTY presumably innocent citizens!!! ONE HUNDRED FIFTY!!!!!

      I am convinced that in any use of deadly force situation what would be a simple defense for a private citizen ought to be an AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE for any LEO! After all, they’re the ones with all the special training and expertise. Why should LEOs not be held to a HIGHER standard than us poor slobs?

      1. Sure does look like someone got the address mixed up AGAIN !!!! This isn’t the first time this has happened so one might begin to think that there is no excuse for this kind of sloppy murder. Maybe someday, one of these Einsteins might want to do a dry run by the target house, or otherwise confirm beforehand, where the F they are going ? Maybe they can start by first checking the names of the streets in the town for similarities ? Very, very sloppy. Very very NEGLIGENT ! Very very culpable. And very very sad.

    12. I don’t see this going any where very fast. After all, the husband and wife were both white. So far all I have heard about it was that the police were ambushed.

    13. It is getting worse! In a former life I trained SWAT and CT teams around the world. We are indeed militarizing our police depts. Macho stupid statements like that of the Houston police union moron don’t help. The insane FBI raid on Roger Stone is an example, the initial macho BATF attack/raid in Waco (the full video is pretty much gone) and the Elien Gonzales raid in Florida are the ones we learn of; there are many more. Let’s keep in mind that most of the pure gun shot murdering of thousands of Jews in Warsaw Poland was done by the Einstatzgruppen.. The sad thing is that this 3,000 all volunteer group was made up of 50% Berlin and nearby city police officers!

      1. You said this so much more succinctly than I. Thank you for trying to remind everyone to this very worrisome trend in police force examples and the reminder of the history of how Jews and other “undesirables” were treated by city police officers and civilian volunteers.

    14. Without necessarily defending what the police did, when the wife goes over to the couch and tries to retrieve a shotgun from what is very obviously a police officer, instead of raising her hands and submitting, that is a pretty clear signal of intending to shoot it out with identified public officers. Not assuming that drugs were present or that they had committed any crime, but if you want to shoot at police or fight against them rather than being civil and compliant (as long as this is in most apparent ways a legitimate law enforcement procedure), then the results here are about as anyone would expect, with some dead and some wounded. To suggest that,within a few moments, this couple could not tell that these were police, and that it might be better to fight back in court, seems a bit overboard. If these police had been men arriving in pre-dawn hours in black trench coats to whisk people off to a secret gulag somewhere, that is a very different situation than this seems to be.

      1. People in plainclothes who bust your door down aren’t “very obviously police officers.”

        Although I have to admit, shooting the dog first thing in the door does tend to add credibility to the claim.

        1. “The names of the officers were not released because some work under cover” . Under cover in uniform ???? Obviously Police officers ????

      2. Badges or no badges, somebody breaks into my home kills my dog and then threatens to kill me?

        They had a right to shoot back and that is what they did!

        I’m tired of Jack booted thugs what’s badges contravening the Civil Rights, that is constitutional rights, simply because they have the authority because of the badges!

        I don’t know what happened there, which is why I’m just like Weingarten, show me the video and walk me through it!

      3. “Not assuming that drugs were present or that they had committed any crime, but if you want to shoot at police or fight against them rather than being civil and compliant (as long as this is in most apparent ways a legitimate law enforcement procedure), then the results here are about as anyone would expect, with some dead and some wounded. To suggest that,within a few moments, this couple could not tell that these were police, and that it might be better to fight back in court, seems a bit overboard.”
        When the Pigs have already started shooting putting your hands up just gives them a compliant victim. Given that the Kampfgruppe was in plainclothes how were they to know it was the Einsatzgruppen and not just come more common variety of murdering criminal? If my front door were breached by vicious cretins shooting my wife and I didn’t know it was the Only Ones (and thusly A-OK to kill peons) I would return fire and hope for more lethal results than Mr. Tuttle got. Too bad any of the invaders survived. Now we know why the Dems want to ban tactically useful guns. They want to assure that cops can kill the peons with impunity.

      4. I would like for you to try to be civil and compliant, personally visit a police station, and ask how to file a complaint. You do not have to have a complaint. You just want to know the procedure. The person behind the desk should simply give you a form with instructions. Find out yourself what happens and get back to us. There are some YouTube videos on this matter that I suggest you view before you go. I also advise that you tell your attorney before hand, but do not let him talk you out of it. Suggest none of the following items be on or about your person: firearm, pocket knife of any size or type, fingernail clippers, jewelry, any kind of medication, metal belt buckles, ink pens or pencils, ammunition or component like long forgotten expended 22 shell in your old coat, and any kind of container among other things. To avoid possible impoundment fees, leave you car at home. Take a taxi and go alone.
        Remember, I am on pens and needles waiting. Oh, don’t take any pens and needles either. Have fun.

    15. Heard about another similar incident years ago. People were in the shower, police broke door down and entered. Husband grabbed a old black powder cap and ball revolver for defense and was killed. Wife was passed around through several police officers naked (as she had gotten out of the shower when it began) until finally someone gave her a coat to put on. I believe the claims were they were illegal gun dealers but nothing was found but antique and black powder firearms. Makes a person wonder where the police get their info.

    16. I hope and pray that this is NOT what it looks like. I will reserve judgment until AFTER the body cam video comes out. If it was the correct house, and this seems doubtful to me, then why is the street name incorrect?
      There have been several home invasions in the Phoenix area where the invaders announced themselves as and were dressed as, police. How can one tell the difference in the very few seconds you have to decide? Is one engaged in nefarious, illegal activity or not? If not, then who is likely to be announcing themselves as police? Either way, if someone comes through my door and starts shooting at my family, our dogs or myself the issue is decided. There WILL be an armed, resolute, unstoppable response. There is every right to defend one’s family and one’s self. Every cop is human and is prone to the same mistakes as every other human. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When someone starts shooting at you, it matters little how they are dressed. There are many places where police uniforms, badges and equipment can be purchased so the call to engage must be based upon actions of the aggressor. I wonder how many good, innocent people have been swatted or red flagged to death for no good reason? For a mistaken address? For some vengeful idiot who calls in and says they THINK this person is a danger to himself or others? Just as a tree is judged by it’s fruit so are people judged by their actions and words. If there is no good reason for the police to be there, there is good reason to question if they are indeed the police.

      In the hope of saving human lives, maybe the occupants of a targeted house should be called first? Yes, if they are bad guys, they can flush the drugs and/or prepare a responce but the drugs can still be recovered. If the occupants are indeed the bad guys, they are not going anywhere once the place is surrounded, so it becomes only a matter of time before they are in custody. Time is cheep. Are we, the public, to understand that our lives are just as cheep? One innocent person’s life is too many lives taken by gustapo like tactics. If the occupants are NOT the bad guys, a call would provide time to deescalate the situation, find the error and act accordingly. If steps by the police, judges and legislators are not taken to defend and provide for the sanctity of life, more innocent lives, both police and civilian, will be taken needlessly.

      If the scenario listed in the article is true how would you react? There is someone pounding on the door saying they are the cops. The door gets broken down and the first guy in shoots-your dog-dead. You retreat to get your firearm only to return and find the guy will neither put down his weapon or stop pointing it at you. Trying not to take his life you put a round into his shoulder and he falls onto the sofa. Seeing the guy is still armed, your wife tries to get it away from him. Any sane person would do that. Get the firearm away from an intruder who has just fired a round IN your home and killed your dog in the process. That is when a second guy shoots and kills your wife. So you plug that guy. Who would not? Now there are more guys coming into your home. You are innocent of the very reason those guys are there. Cops or not. They have just murdered your wife and your dog. There is no reason to question if you are next on their list is there? What would you do?

      I hope this doesn’t boil down to the cops going to the wrong house but it doesn’t look good on their end. The result is a family is dead and several people are wounded, needlessly.

      P.S. When I was just a little boy my dad would tell me that if there was ever trouble that he or I could not handle, the cops would be there to help. I wish it were still true today. These days we have cops killing people because of their color, because they are legally armed, because someone looked at them crosswise, because they questioned their authority when they were abusing that authority etc. These days we have legislators writing treasonous laws, crooked law enforcement people and judges enforcing those treasonous laws, FEDERAL law enforcement lying to the courts and congress for nefarious reasons and FEDERAL enforcement people NOT arresting high ranking officials when they commit those treasonous acts. Trust? Respect? Both of those attributes are earned and once lost they are difficult to earn back.

      Arm up, carry on.

        1. It’s not like cops pissed about the noise from the apartment above them just show up at a person’s door and gun him down, then claim to have been too tired to realize it wasn’t their own apartment.


      1. Calling intended house first is a good idea & turn water off so no flushing. Not many people will fight knowing 200 cops are outside with 50 caliber & tanks.

            1. This is absolutely correct Chris M. Hell have the police go there every day, they flush their drugs every day, sooner or later the police will catch them with the produce or the crooks will simply pack up and move. Then inform the next PD and keep the game going until they are caught or they change their lifestyle. mission accomplished, no lives lost, just pissed off druggys.
              No knock warrants should never be used except to save someone’s, especially a Child’s life. I could understand that and even perhaps be more forgiving on a mistake. But, killing for illicit drugs? Drugs are an illegal lifestyle, that certain demographics get involved in. Naw, the criminals kill each other effectively, let them keep going, shouldn’t even be felony if one drug dealer kills another.

    17. No body cameras on? That’s an indictment right there. Either for incompetence or stupidity. I don’t mind giving cops a break, but on the other hand they need to earn it by doing everything they can to do things right. If they’re competent, and smart (which these guys were not) they will document all their pre-planning, signed off by supervisors, and document all their actions with cameras (which, believe it or not sometimes do present un-true accounts). These actions will, at the least, demonstrate that appropriate procedures were followed, and afford a strong defense. And, most importantly, avoid mistakes. I’m an armed homeowner and I’m trying to figure out how to survive a situation where armed Police are invading my premises without warning. I am armed in the house and when the door comes crashing in I don’t see that I have any choice but to come up shooting. I’m not a criminal, so it can’t be the police, right? Must be a home invasion, right? The proper response is defense, right? How do I get out of this alive? How do you?

    18. Only a fool trusts the police at this point in history.
      Police are legally allowed to lie to you.
      Police departments are known to reject applicants who are “overqualified”.
      Police will always close ranks and lie if they are suspected of wrongdoing.
      Their own investigations will find them innocent if they can manage it.
      Their cameras will magically be non-functional after the fact.
      Their words/behavior clearly indicates they believe it is “Us vs. Them”.
      They are brainwashed, corrupt revenue collectors who perpetuate a false drug war.

      1. Gerald, I really like your comments here except I don’t feel foolish for trusting law enforcement. I have friends who are sheriff deputies and police officers. I have had to deal with police with my job and even personally on several occasions. With that said, I do retain a certain amount of apprehension in that I wonder sometime how police will respond to my home in a self defense situation or even in a self defense shooting outside my home. Cops have killed innocent people. And they get away with it….So, we must be wise and prudent and take all measures to make sure we do all we can to properly identify ourselves and careful not to make moves or take actions that could be interpreted as hostile or aggressive.
        Again, I think you are correct in your assumptions and I have seen some of what you mentioned first hand. But you speak as if ALL police are in the same camp. This is not true and we must be careful with this kind of characterization.

    19. I [try] to support ALL police. I [try] to hold them in higher regard and remember how dangerous their profession is…….but…..that doesn’t mean that I blindly condone the actions of ALL, by the misdeeds of the few. Plain english. There is an asshole in every crowd. There is always that one douche bag that pisses on the crowd…..and they’re the ones that are used by small minded people use as a “yard stick” to gage EVERYONE by. Typical government responce……”one size fits ALL” mentality. Lump the good in with the bad and condemn ALL!
      If EVERYBODY would just act right! Be civilized. Love and care for one another. We’d ALL be better for it. LA LA Land……it ain’t a real place! The ones who think disarming the GOOD because of the BAD makes us ALL safer……..you got it! They live in LA LA Land!

      1. Steve, I feel pretty much the same way. Thousands of cops in the US. There will be some bad ones. Some will make some bad decisions.

        1. Make bad decisions??? How about they just flat out screw the pooch major league!? To my way of thinking there are two subspecies of law enforcement officers. On the one hand there are “cops”, who enforce the law. On the other hand you have ” pigs”, who consider themselves TO BE the law! One of my grandsons once asked me why government does the things it does. I told him the three word answer is “Because it can.” But the real answer is “Because we LET it.” With apologies to Mr Jefferson, from time immemorial ALL governments have derived ALL their power (just or otherwise) from the consent of the governed. No person has any intrinsic right to rule over any other. All rulers, governors, kings, emperors, califs, supreme leaders, grand pooh bahs, or whatevers rule because the people they assay to govern ALLOW it! And make no mistake, the ratio of “Indians” to “chiefs” has always and WILL always favor the “Indians”.

        2. Thousands of guys doing brake jobs in the US today. Some are going to be bad. Some are going to make mistakes.

          We expect pilots and brake techs to get it right 100% of the time, why not cops?

      2. There are no good cops. If there were good cops they would spend all their time arresting the bad cops.

        Cops are more of a danger to the average American than terrorists are.

        1. That’s always been a yardstick for me.
          If the ‘good’ cops cover for the ‘bad’ cops then there are no ‘good’ cops.

    20. It now seems very clear that it was a mistaken address. The homeowners were killed on “Harding Street” in a very modest home with no cameras or security measures. The couple had no police records and no drugs were found.
      The reporter found a house at the same number on “Hardy Street” which fit the description of a drug dealer’s house, with bars over all windows and doors and a very expensive outdoor security system with night vision TV cameras. Things might have gone better if the asshole cops had not shot the dog at first sight. Apparently the man came out unarmed but after his dog was shot he retrieved a .357 and started shooting assholes who needed it.

      1. You shoot my dog without provocation- it’s gonna be a whole lot more than a 357 type of retaliation and you can bet the ranch on that Elvis/cops are too busy to google a address just go ahead and kill some people you know the “status quo” /RED flag shark jumping At its finest

    21. The raid isn’t newsworthy.
      Police killing people isn’t newsworthy.
      Police being shot isn’t newsworthy.

      The threats of retribution for anything other than worship of police is newsworthy.

    22. Does “Ruby Ridge” or “Waco” bring any memories back? Mr. Barr was involved in one of these actions and he tried his best to COVER UP what really happened.

        1. Why do you think they putting cameras on their asses because they all Disagree on just about everything so the video doesn’t lie now does it?

      1. With great power comes great responsibility. The responsibility is now on the police to PROVE the claims in their questionable narrative.

      2. Uh, Mr. Kent, I was a Peace Officer for over thirty years in SoCal. I spent a lot of time working as an undercover Narc and investigating major narcotics cases as well as other felonies. A competent, professional will ALWAYS verify the correct address for a search warrant before executing the warrant. I wrote and/or served over forty such warrants in my career. I and my colleagues NEVER hit the wrong house.
        This is stinks to high heaven. And, it is not the first time the BLUE LIVES MATTER Orcs have shot innocent people and their pets. But, police agencies recruit from society. As American culture, society, and morals disintegrate, so will our institutions. Fortunately, we still have the right to self-defense. Of course once President Kamala Harris is sworn in, that, along with our firearms will slowly disappear.

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