Oregon Crime Statistics Don’t Justify Gun Control Push

Opinion

Oregon anti-gunners want to declare new legislation regulating so-called “assault weapons” to be considered an “emergency.” (Dave Workman)

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- When the authors of a major gun control bill in Oregon inserted a paragraph at the end of their legislation declaring that an emergency exists requiring House Bill 3223, which deals with so-called “assault weapon” regulation, to take effect immediately, they apparently didn’t do any homework.

But pay attention to how this legislation moves because, just like in neighboring Washington, Beaver State anti-gunners are using Oregon as something of a petri dish to experiment with gun control schemes that, if successful, could be altered and tried in other states.

Kevin Starrett at the Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF) told Ammoland via telephone that the legislative session so far has been somewhat chaotic, but that Democrats are pushing all kinds of gun control measures.

The backers of this “assault weapon” legislation are being called on their effort by a website called Klamath Alerts, which is comparing traffic fatalities and other leading causes of death in Oregon with firearms fatalities. It was essentially no contest.

In 2017, the most recent year for which FBI data is available, Oregon experienced 100 homicides, of which 58 involved firearms. Of those, 34 are known to have involved handguns, but only two each involved rifles or shotguns. Another 20 were committed with unidentified firearms.

But to have the authors of HB 3223 declare that an emergency exists seemed over the top for Klamath Alerts.

In 2016, according to an Oregon state government website, there were 498 traffic fatalities and 44,629 people sustained injuries. The leading causes of death in the state are cancer, heart disease, accidents (undefined), chronic lower respiratory disease and stroke. Far more people die from complications from Alzheimer’s disease than are fatally shot, and even diabetes claims more lives than gunshot wounds.

Under provisions of HB 3223, the owner of a so-called “assault weapon” must register that firearm immediately or within a year take some other action that might include moving the gun out of state, selling it to a licensed firearms dealer, rendering it inoperable or surrendering it to the state police. Violators would face fines and imprisonment if the bill becomes law.

Last year, murder declined more than 11 percent in Oregon, raising even more questions about the motivation for legislative anti-gunners in Salem to want an “emergency” declared by passage of the bill.

Another piece of legislation that Oregon rights activists are watching is Senate Bill 925. It’s got the attention of the OFF and the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. OFF has a web page devoted entirely to current legislation now in the works.

Under SB 925, there would be added restrictions on where Oregon’s legally licensed armed citizens can carry. If this measure becomes law, Starrett warned, a person could be arrested for having a firearm in the parking lot of an airport, if they just happen to be picking up or dropping off somebody.

As of this writing, hearings had not been held on either HB 3223 or SB 925. He said it is not uncommon in Oregon for a bill to contain an “emergency clause,” and there have been attempts to pass laws prohibiting the practice. It now appears there may be a ballot measure in 2022 to stop bill sponsors from declaring emergencies for their pet causes, Starrett noted. It will apparently be dubbed the “Stop Fake Emergencies” measure.

Starrett predicted that Oregon gun owners are in for some rough times ahead, and he is aware that at least some gun owners are looking to move out of the state.

“It’s so crazy here right now,” he said.


About Dave WorkmanDave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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    The ppl that think we have a gun problem are serious idiot’s lol.
    First off firearms are not alive lol,they do not breath or talk!! They sure dont have legs and hands lol. So instead of pushing for gun control why haven’t you mentioned maybe let’s say mental illness? Maybe if this country actually cared about its citizens!
    Both parties are dumb at this current moment. Democrats also yall have alot more shit to worry about. Like education, homelessness, sex offenders, real criminals, foster care, CPS, giving Oregon more budget for education would be great

    TimYoureNotGonnaTakeTheGuns
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    TimYoureNotGonnaTakeTheGuns

    You know, I hear all of these people talk about how guns are killing people (which is impossible) and I wander what they have to say and what arguments they have for alcohol and tobacco? Two things that I never see people raising heck about, but yet they kill way more people each and every year. Anyway, I feel like there’s going to be civil unrest and contempt when they start talking about taking and then moving on to taking Law Abiding folks constitutional rights to bear ARMS away. Freakin Idgits!!

    Timothy Votaw
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    Timothy Votaw

    Some of the least cogent but most strident arguing I have seen on this site. It smacks of propaganda adherence, but very little logic, or common sense. It parallels the national discussions, which currently are so extreme in their insistence that reason is non-existent. In fact, the national mentality lacks reason at present. That makes me sick, thinking how much I and my fellow comrades put on the line for this nation in order for reason to prevail. . I am convinced that the insistent ignorance among the two extremes in this country will soon envelop the entire nation in… Read more »

    Plain Old American
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    If the Oregon government enacts these bills which are clearly destructive of the rights of free people and starts enforcing them I predict far more deaths will occur because of these laws. Many Oregonians (and obviously free people from other states such as New York and New Jersey) are all too aware of the consequences of the state having the sole power of the sword so they will not comply. Having toured concentration camps where German soldiers legally executed innocent, unarmed citizens and having read such books as Death by Gun Control and The Black Book of Communism the thinking… Read more »

    Walter Goddard
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    Walter Goddard

    Does any one else see that Factsovertruth/truthoverfacts is switching his name forwards and backwards?

    Let’s hope the Sun will rise so the Troll turns to stone…

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    LOL, good catch, thanks. I believe I only did it once and that was a typo. I am not used to having to type in my handle every time.
    Why am I a troll? Because I disagree with you and even providing some facts to back up my statements? Sounds like you would rather have a forum where you can all agree with each other. I like guns and own them, but I also know that things have to improve and too many people have been fighting to stop any changes.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Thanks for pointing out my ONE typo. Not used to typing in my handle every time.

    So anyone that disagrees with you is a Troll? Too bad for you. I have tried not to be rude expect to people who are rude to me. I have provided some hard facts and tried to have a reasonable debate.

    I would have loved to have a further discussion with Austing Miller III, but I can’t reply to his post. Oh well.

    Jim Mackey
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    Jim Mackey

    LMAO what facts? You are repeating garbage Giffords and Bloomberg statistics. We know better.

    Teddy Stout,jr
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    Teddy Stout,jr

    Well said.

    Tee
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    Tee

    These idiots know absolutely nothing about guns or whatever they happen to be talking about. They listen to CNN and their liberal teachers and college professors and think they are well informed. Well guess what? My hunting rifle is a single shot gun. That means it holds only 1 bullet. My assault rifles hold 5,10,30, or 40 bullets depending on which clip or magazine I decide to put in them. But, what so little do you know is that my hunting rifle can do 200 times more damage to a person than any one of my so called assault rifles.… Read more »

    Zark
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    Zark

    Any liberal reading your comments about your single shot hunting rifle will want to ban that too. We known the difference between calibers. The libs are clueless. Lets leave them clueless or all guns will be banned.

    musicman44mag
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    musicman44mag

    This is total b.s. brought on by kommiefornians moving here and pushing thier democrap agenda like they do in any state they move to and the big cities they live in. We need to change the voting rules for all states so it goes by the majority of counties vote rather than the majority of people in two counties that are the big cities running the entire state. Screw Lane and Multnomah counties and all the liberal college idiots that live there. Boo on the ducks, go Beavers. WARNING. If you see alot of Subarau’s in a town, its commie… Read more »

    Gdubb
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    Gdubb

    Every one of these bills is unconstitutional, both federally and locally. Making law abiding citizens into felons overnight simply because they own a physical item, is asinine. This will create hundreds of thousands of bastardized children (orphans) and overcrowd the prisons with non-violent people.

    Thank you Oregonian liberals, for voting in comminists to run the state. The pending civil war is all your fault, and it will not end well for anyone, especially you.

    Stripeseven
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    Stripeseven

    In order to implement a Socialist Government, the people have to be disarmed so the new Regime can rob the people of their property. Their continual struggle to obtain the nations wealth demands that the people obey. The quest to transform capitalist property into social property will be the outcome if they succeed. A Socialist Offensive seems to have been givin the green light…..

    Mark Are
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    Mark Are

    We have already been robbed of our property. Can anyone on here say they own their own homes? Well don’t pay the rent to the state or county every year and you’ll find out who owns it. Oh, wait, in communist countries they call it rent. Here we call it property taxes (1st plank communist manifesto) How about that progressive graduated income tax we are saddled with? (2nd plank communist manifesto) or how about asset forfeiture?(4th plank communist manifesto) or the unconstitutional Federal reserve system? (5th plank communist manifesto) or how about that free education (indoctrination) for all children in… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    To have a Fascist regime, like Trump dreams of having, guns are a big no-no. Ask Putin or Kim Jong-Un. Sadly, gun nuts on the Right, again what to believe that Democrats want to take away all the guns. Just like Obama did for 8 years (NOT!). Gun Control is not banning all guns, even though your comments are great scare tactics for the uninformed.
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    Tionico
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    Tionico

    YOU are the uninformed one. Didn’t Dianne Feinstein say “if I had the votes I’d say Mr. And Mrs America, turn them ALL in”? Yep, she did. Or how’s about that kinyun guy…. before his re-election did he not tell the Mad Mamas “after the election we can do more….”. But by then the tide had changed, and he realised he had NO CHANCE of disarmement, though that’s what he wanted to do. And didn’t the kinyun sign the UN Small Arms control treaty? The Senate never ratified it, so Trump gave it the dump. and HOW can you claim… Read more »

    FactsbeforeTruth
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    FactsbeforeTruth

    Hate to break your bubble, but I have guns too, but I still believe in better gun controls!! And Seriously, because Diane Feinstein said it, the entire left feels this way? Obama was President for 8 years, two with total control of Congress, and introduced ZERO gun control or gun banning measures – FACT. As for Trump – who does he have an ongoing Bromance with. the leaders of the two top Fascist regimes in the world: Putin and Kim Jong-Un. And what is a Fascist you ask? It is a radical, Right-Wing, Authoritarian UltraNationalist, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible… Read more »

    Austing Miller III
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    Austing Miller III

    Question for you sir, what “Controls” do you seriously think will do what you espouse? You refer to the universal background check but can you name one single mass shooting (which you used to suggest controls are required) where the gun was purchased through such a “Loophole?” I am not being sarcastic, I am serious here. I am getting pretty old and maybe that accounts for my lack of understanding but I am interested in why some people (and it SEEMS you are one) who think more regulations on law abiding citizens will somehow affect the behavior of the unlawful.… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @AMIII, that one is just another first rung useful idiot. He is desperately trying to get responses to fatten his paycheck.

    The Green Watch Dog
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    The Green Watch Dog

    Facts Over Truth,
    On this forum, you will quickly find that the ultra right gun activists will swear that the sun rises in the west, if you disagree with them with supporting facts. I support the right to bear arms. However, it comes with responsibilities. Overwhelmingly, the majority of Americans support responsible gun. The Green Byte Watch Dog.
    To caution you, The revelator is insane, and goes on repetitious rants.

    William Bruce Manning
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    William Bruce Manning

    I know that you will not pull our head out of the sand regardless of what I say, so I will not waist much time here…….I would like to convey my thoughts on one subject though,……YOU are a MORON! and the problem with this country is YOU!.

    JCONPNW
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    JCONPNW

    So….you’re saying that the Leftist Progressives in Oregon are in cahoots with Donnie Trump? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying. You can literally go read the printed Bills in their detailed description online about how they want to take semi-auto rifles, all semi-auto guns that take over 10 rounds (which is most all of them), limit ammo purchases to 20 rounds per month (WTF?) … but you STILL believe that “ThEy DoN’t WaNnA tAkE aLl ThE gUnZ!!” You’re in serious denial. And no Obama didn’t get gun control laws because any attempts were blocked by Congress. If he… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Strange that you read that because that is not what I said. Trump has his own agenda, What you people fail to realize, especially Manning the Moron, is that you and the NRA have been unwilling to compromise for so many years, and yet so many people continue to die each year from gun related deaths. More than ANY other Civilized country. Yet you all have fought so hard to make sure that nothing changes. Well guess what. the American people are fed up with that and that is why we are seeing change. And all you who believe that… Read more »

    Jim Mackey
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    Jim Mackey

    “is that you and the NRA have been unwilling to compromise for so many years, and yet so many people continue to die each year from gun related deaths. More than ANY other Civilized country.” Ok first, nothing here is comprise. You guys simply take. You never rescind your failed gun laws and you never give us anything in return. Just take take take. That’s not compromise. Second, obviously we have more gun related deaths than other countries, we have more guns. But what they don’t tell you is the majority of those gun deaths are suicides, and we have… Read more »

    Scotty Gunn
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    Scotty Gunn

    There will be no compromise. Why do I need to compromise my Constitutional rights? Should you compromise the freedom of speech you so enjoy? GFY

    Frank Paletta
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    Frank Paletta

    To accuse Trump of being a fascist, you must first gain knowledge of what fascism is(You really have no clue)…Try reading “the Big Lie”, by Dinesh D’Souza, so you can learn what it is, and from where, true fascism comes…You sound like all the other Leftist-duped sheep who can’t see the forest for the trees…If you recognized gun control for what it truly is, you’d be embarrassed for posting such a comment.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    I know what gun control is and I know that Trump is most definitely a FASCIST wannabe. That is why he loves Putin and KJU so much. He wants to be just like them. And in their world, you definitely do not find ANY guns in civilian hands.
    Sadly you sound like one of those that refuse to see what is really going on.

    Jim Mackey
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    Jim Mackey

    He loves Putin so much? Is that why he’s slapped him with tariffs and pulled out of the nuclear arms treaty? Is that why he dropped an MOAB on his allies the Syrians?
    Come on man, switch off the CNN for a bit, like your mind detoxify.

    David is sick of people like you
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    David is sick of people like you

    Dude, you have been living with your head up your ASS! If you think Trump is a Fascist, then what is Hillary, Booker, Sanders………..the list goes on, Angels to save us from who?….You!

    Scotty Gunn
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    Scotty Gunn

    You are a Progressive. That is a fancy modern way of saying communist.

    Green Mtn. Boy
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    Green Mtn. Boy

    Gun control or whatever catchy name the Leftards impose upon the infringement is UnConstitutional,so yes nothing justifies it’s imposition.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Gun Control is most definitely allowed within laws of this Country. Ask the Supreme Court of the United States. You know, that Court that the US Constitution defines as being the ultimate authority on how the Constitution is interpreted. And when did you join a Well Regulated Militia?

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    Tje CONSTITUTION together with all laws enacted CONSISTENT WITH that document comprise the Supreme Law of the Land. And no, SCOTUS are NOT the “ultimate authoroty” when they abandon the clear meaning of the Constitution in making their proclamations. Many of their “opinions” are seriousl flawed per the COnstitution. As to when I joined the militia.. that happened decades ago when I turned 16 and got my first rifle. Despite the fact that I’m well past “retirement” age, I can still use the appropriate tools to help assure the security of a free state. How aobut YOU? Being of age… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    LOL, Very sad. You might want to read other parts of the Constitution besides the 2nd Amendment. Maybe Article 3, which gives the Supreme Court of the United States the ultimate authority for interpreting all laws in this country, including the US Constitution. Please don’t tell me that you support some parts of the Constitution but not all of it. And by the way I didn’t ask if you were part of a Militia. The 2nd Amendment refers to a WELL REGULATED Militia, and having over 300 million guns in civilian hands is anything BUT well regulated. Why do some… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Tio, this new propagandist betrays his insufferable illiteracy regarding the Constitution when he says, “… Article 3, which gives the Supreme Court of the United States the ultimate authority for interpreting all laws in this country, including the US Constitution…” because Article III says no such thing.

    Jim Mackey
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    Jim Mackey

    Well-regulated means well trained and well equipped at the timing . This has been repeated ad nauseum when people such as yourself post here.
    Nowhere in the constitution does it specify who trains the militia. The original intent was the states but it is not inconsistent with the constitution for the militia to train itself. Well-regulated does not mean “gun control”.
    Try reading the Federalist papers or something.

    tomcat
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    @Factsover truth
    Your handle is an oxymoron to begin with and the songs you are singing have all been sung here before. We have heard trolls over the years spout the same lunacies. Hm, I guess you are just one of those pure and simple. Your statements are like a sieve and everything leaks out of your untruthful posts. So far you have said nothing of notable importance.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Tomcat, actually it’s not. There is only one set of FACTS, but many versions of the Truth. I understand that what I am saying you have heard before, just like all that you are saying is the same silliness that I have heard before. The 2nd Amendment does not give you the rights you claim and the Left is not trying to take all the guns (including mine). What’s sad and pathetic is that we have a problem in this country and people like you fight so hard to do help address it. Now the tides are changing.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Actually my handle is anything but an oxymoron. There is only one set of FACTS, but many versions of the Truth. You can believe that what I am spouting is lunacy, just like much of what you all spout I believe is too. But nonetheless, we all live in the US of A and are bound by it’s laws. Sadly, any attempts to change the laws to reduce the number of gun related deaths and injuries have been met with incredible resistance by people like you, and therefore things have not changed in a very long time. Well, guess what,… Read more »

    Mark Are
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    Mark Are

    Want to see a civil war? Ban semi auto black rifles. I’m sure everyone will gladly turn them in. Everywhere they have been banned there is the issue of the people already not turning them in. New Jersey hasn’t had even on magazine turned in by the date that it makes folks felons. So that means there may be hundreds of thousands of new felons in NJ. I look at it like this…keep it up, make the penalty so hard that folks will just say screw it, I’ve got nothing left to loose and then they go out HUNTING. A… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Tcat, another boring, irrelevant propagandist desperate for responses. If only they could find a real job!

    William Bruce Manning
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    William Bruce Manning

    I am the well regulated militia!…….You Moron!

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    LOL, the word according to Garp. Well that is your opinion, even for a MORON (lol).. But 300 million guns in this country is anything but well regulated. But be that as it may, the Supreme Court has ruled that regardless of whether you are part of a well regulated militia or not, you DO have the right to own firearms, but they are most definitely not unlimited and certain weapons can be banned, and also certain people can be banned (criminals, mentally unstable) from owning firearms.

    JCONPNW
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    JCONPNW

    Maybe you missed the fact that there is already plenty of gun control in this country. You can’t threaten imprisonment over owning a gun that was legally purchased…or a magazine (a piece of polymer with a spring in it) that was purchased legally. That’s called a right. This doesn’t account for any violation of the 5th amendment. Where does it say in the Constitution that you have the right to restrict access to arms for everyone because a small, minute, percentage of the gun owning population ends up using a gun to commit a crime? There are already laws that… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    There are lots of gun control laws out there. Sadly, many aren’t being enforced, but also they aren’t enough. Love to understand why so many are against expanded background checks. I though everyone wanted to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. I guess not. And yes you can threaten imprisonment for owning a now outlawed gun or magazine, just like you can for a switchblade or gravity knife if the laws changed. jPeople who owned a sawed off shotgun or automatic weapons, after they became illegal were subject to imprisonment. Many of these laws have been implemented in… Read more »

    Mark Are
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    Mark Are

    Where in the CONSTITUTION does it say what you are claiming about the “supreme” court? Show me.

    littlemike
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    littlemike

    We the people each join the well regulated militia at birth. Obviously you are not a well regulated person not to know that. And just a reminder to all those who don’t know what it means, let me quote one of the authors of the Constitution:

    “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.”
    —George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

    John
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    John

    Now Dave, don’t confuse the “control” gun advocates with facts, yes credible facts as they care less. If a thousand folks died in a month by car wrecks and one person died during that same month by another person pulling the trigger on a handgun, the Armalite Rifle 15 would need banned (if it would just save one life); not the handgun mind you, let alone the cars! Pro 2nd Amendment legislatures have this last decade or so went on the offense. They use to however, and in some cases still, seem to wait till the “control” gun crowd file… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    LOL, clearly lets not let FACTS get in the way of a good story. How much auto related legisation and controls have been passed over the last 30+ years. How autos are manufactured, seat belts, air bags, abs brakes, crumple zones, etc. Mandatory training and recertification, licensing of drivers and vehicles, heavy enforce and speed limts and so much more. You want to compare regulations related to automobiles with guns?? LOL, good luck with that. And lets not overlook the FACTS that auto related deaths have been cut in half since the 1980s. Not perfect but getting a helluva lot… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    gun related deaths have also halved in about the same time period….. even still counting the daily Shooting Gallery madness in places like Chicago, Baltimore, etc. And the number of guns in non-government hands has more then doubled since the kinyun first ascended the throne. Further, the number of legitimant defensive gun uses (where a gun in private hands is used to stop a crime in progress, whether being fired or not) nas risen from a few hundred thousand to near three million such incidents per year. Has the use of cars to save lives done anything like that to… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    See: FACTS over Truth. The FACTS are Gun-related deaths reached 40-year peak 2017, according to the CDC (that was on FOX News). Or we could check with the FBI. So not sure where are getting your info that gun related deaths are halved, there are no facts to support that. And there are few documented cases of of legitimate defensive gun use. It is most definitely NOT growing exponentially.. There is most definitely some but it’s nowhere near what the NRA and the Right want people to believe. How many times did an armed guard make zero difference and was… Read more »

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    And by the way, it has been proven that reducing the capacity of magazines makes a real different

    then WHY do LE and military conitnue to use standard capacity mags in their hand-and long-guns?

    Parl;and school shooter, Sutherland Springs, the Charlotteville church, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook,
    all used standard capacity mags. Oh, so did the San Bernardino Christmas Party shooters.

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    You misunderstand me, reducing the capacity of a magazine makes a huge difference in Saving Lives in a mass shooting. A shooter has to change mags 3-4 times as often, has to carry 3-4 times as many mags to have the equivalent amount of ammo. And there have been several mass shooters who have been put down while they were reloading.

    JCONPNW
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    JCONPNW

    Sounds like you need a source check. Auto related deaths have been cut in half since the 1980s? They have dropped…but not by half. Source? Reducing the capacity of magazines make a real difference. Source? Did 10 round magazines make a difference in the Parkland, FL shooting? No, they did not. Were “assault weapons” involved in the Virginia Tech shooting where 32 people were killed and 17 wounded? No, they were not. For that matter did the Federal Assault Weapons Ban in the 1990s stop the Columbine shooting (the one that many people believed that subsequent school shootings were copycatting)… Read more »

    TruthoverFacts
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    Sorry Dude, but the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration states that in 2017 there were 11.40 motor vehicle fatalities per 100,000 people. In 1980, there were 22.85 fatalities per 100,000. Tucson, Az shooter Jared Loughner stopped while reloading. Jaylen Fryberg, 15, went on the rampage in the campus cafeteria at Marysville-Pilchuck High School, Washington State – stopped while reloading. 2009 Ft. Hood mass shooting. Cops only able to put down shooter while he was reloading. There have been many other cases. Where have we seen trained armed guards make difference in a mass shooting? The florida night club where 50… Read more »

    Tee
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    Tee

    Hey, FACTSOVERTRUTHBOY. How can you say that guns are only made for killing? My blood is boiling out of my skin. A gun is made to do one thing you are right. And that one thing is to make a shell go “pop.’ A gun is not made to kill someone you simpleton. I have at least 20+ guns. I have been collecting them since I was 8 years old. I am 52 now. I bet at least half of them have never killed anything except money and time. Which I figure is very well spent and so do my… Read more »

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    GUNS were DESIGNED to KILL! That is a FACT. You CANNOT say that about ANY other tool. How you choose to use them is up to you. But to kill animals or to kill people, that is what guns were designed for. You can try and blow smoke up someone else’s backside. Good luck with that. A car was not designed to kill but does. A hammer was DESIGNED NOT to kill but does. But good luck massacring 50 people with a hammer. The big difference in these tools is that the one that was designed for killing is probably… Read more »

    Kristensdad
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    Kristensdad

    so, guns are for killing? According to you. So, here is the question that you need to answer: How many have you (a self-professed gun owner) killed? Since the gun is bad you must have a long list of the dead that Your gun caused…
    Definition of a Democrat ” I know best and you HAVE to do what I say. Everyone else: Do your own thing and think for yourself.

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Tee, trolloverfacts is trying to get people to reply. That is why he writes his daily propaganda in outrageous ways. That is why I try to avoid replying to prevaricators. Instead, I try to respond to others about them. Shun them, and they starve.
    I do have to say, though, this one is unusually ignorant and disrespectful. I could get a better conversation from a garden slug.

    ras
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    ras

    Yes, his best friend is Green Watch Dog.

    Walter Goddard
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    Walter Goddard

    Let’s drop our drawers and moon the GWD, and see if he howls like a wolf in sheep clothing or not!

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @ras, They probably work in adjoining cubicles.

    m.
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    m.

    u mean swallows-well?

    Wingman
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    Wingman

    Maybe someone, like an interested Government agency, should define what an Assault weapon actually is. Oops they have and they are already banned. A look a like is NOT an assault weapon any more than. Daisy BB gun is a .30-30 rifle.
    What ever happened to good old common sense?

    Mark Are
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    Mark Are

    I wonder why they are banned? Oh, I know, so that our “public servants” can be better armed then who they “serve”. Yeah, right, huh?

    FactsoverTruth
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    FactsoverTruth

    Curious, what is the difference between an AR-15 and a new M-16? They shoot the exact same ammo, use the exact same accessories, have the exact SUSTAINED RATE OF FIRE, and both were designed to be used by the military. The ONLY difference is that an M-16 has a switch that enables it to fire more than one bullet at time with each trigger pull. BUT how does the Marine Corp teach infantry soldiers to shoot? They practice and train to shoot ONE BULLET AT A TIME WITH EACH TRIGGER PULL. EXACTLY LIKE AN AR-15. And why do they train… Read more »

    SamAdams1776
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    SamAdams1776

    The thing is and surely mr. Workman must know this, these gun control measures are not about Crime Control in any way shape or form. Gun control is always about this arming the American public to ensure compliance with the progressive agenda. They are afraid of an armed Insurrection or Rebellion. And like it or not a civil war is brewing and actually inevitable. I am strongly urging people to start forming local Shadow governments who will send representatives to a national Shadow government, all of this covertly of course, and engage any of your local sheriff’s who are constitutional.… Read more »

    Bruce Carson
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    Bruce Carson

    My wife and I both moved out of Oregon —both in part because of the liberal politics in the west coast