FOIA Request Confirms Zero Standard Capacity Magazines Turned In to NJ State Police

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FOIA Request Confirms Zero Standard Capacity Magazines Turned In to NJ State Police

New Jersey-(Ammoland.com)-There are an estimated one million-gun owners with standard capacity magazines (10+ rounds) in the State of New Jersey, bringing an estimated number of magazines holding more than ten rounds to around ten million. Some estimates even have this number being higher.

When New Jersey passed a law making these magazines illegal in 2018, there was a debate on whether the gun owners of the state would hand in their magazines. When the law went into effect at the end of last year, New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy and Attorney General Gurbir Grewal celebrated it as a victory against gun rights advocates.

AmmoLand news reached out to departments across the Garden State and the New Jersey State Police to see how many magazines were turned in for destruction. Local departments were quick to confirm that they did not receive any magazines turned in by the citizens of New Jersey. The State Police would not comment on the record on the number of magazines turned in by residents.

Off the record, State Police sources told AmmoLand no magazines were turned in. We filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the official answer from State Police officials. Our first request went unanswered, so we sent another, then another, and so on until we finally received a response from the State Police.

SGT Kristina Pados of the New Jersey State Police responded to our FOIA request. She confirmed what our sources inside the New Jersey Police told us. The gun owners of New Jersey have surrendered no magazines.

However, she did state that local departments might have them.

AmmoLand reached out to local police departments across New Jersey and have not been able to find a single magazine turned over to the authorities. It would seem like the gun owners of New Jersey have decided to ignore the law most likely because it is unenforceable.

As previously reported New Jersey residents have been openly mocking Democrat Governor Phil Murphy on message boards and Facebook groups. This revelation feeds into the narrative that the new law was just a ploy to please the Governor's anti-gun base.

According to sources inside the New Jersey law enforcement communities, they still have not received any guidance on how to enforce the magazine ban. New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal's office still gives the evasive response of “not discussing law enforcement tactics” when pressed on why no guidance has been given to the State Police.

No law enforcement agency spoken to has charged anyone with having a standard capacity magazine. Short of going door to door there is no way of pro-actively enforcing the law. Law enforcement has not and are not planning on using this tactic.

When the law was going into effect, some agencies considered enforcing the ban as a secondary charge. Police would add on the charge of having an illegal magazine if a crime was committed with the magazine, but we have been unable to find anyone charged even under this circumstance.

Gov. Murphy has not commented on the failure of the new law. Last December the Governor's office referred us to the New Jersey Attorney General’s office. This time we shared the FOIA response from the State Police with them, but they did not return our request for comment at the time of publication.

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About John CrumpJohn Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot-News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

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Coffee 49
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Coffee 49

Same obstacles were present in New York after safe act 97% of 30 rnd mags and AR platforms were not turned in or registered , must be they were all destroyed by owners. This was testing of the water by the left and the water was filled with pirranas.

JohnyMac
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JohnyMac

Will Lawmakers learn from the past? Lexington & Concord ring’s a bell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Lexington_and_Concord

Rick
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Rick

limited capacity magazines already shot down in California. this will have a domino effect

Get Out
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Get Out

You’ve got to ask the question, did these buffoons really believe people would willingly just turn in the magazines? Just like bump stocks, how would anyone even know they had one? More useless laws that can’t be enforced and now these clowns are wondering why no ones turning them in.

KUETSA
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KUETSA

Though no WAR is being waged against these progressive totalitarians, who ARE succeeding in getting citizen disarmament laws placed “on the books” – across the nation, these unconstitutional laws are being responded to with MASS NON-COMPLIANCE!!!

warhorse
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warhorse

” No one wants a new civil war (except, apparently, the anti-constitional tyrants who passed these laws and the media toadies who cheer them on) but one is staring us in the face. Yes, a civil war is staring us in the face. To think otherwise is to whistle past the graveyard of our own history. We must, if we wish to avoid armed conflict, get this message across to the collectivists who have declared their appetites for our liberty, our property and our lives WHEN DEMOCRACY TURNS TO TYRANNY, THE ARMED CITIZEN STILL GETS TO VOTE. Just like King… Read more »

DJ
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DJ

The message is clear. Refuse to comply. Never voluntary surrender firearms or accessories.

If they go door to door there will be no turning back. Both sides should choose wisely.

Registration, Confiscation, Genocide the Marxist history of the Twentieth Century. The University of Hawaii in a 1994 study said GENOCIDE always follows Confiscation. Power kills.

Death by government. https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM. Well worth the time to study.

RugerNiner
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RugerNiner

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

Rich G
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Rich G

Interesting article. Even more interesting is the link from Paul about the guy charged with using a high-cap mag while fighting off a criminal. The robbery victim will probably serve 10 years for the list of charges because he shot the perp. But the actual perpetrator? Probably won’t serve 1 day…probably won’t be charged because he is a “victim” now. I ask myself all the time how we got to this point in our country where career criminals rule the world and innocent citizens cannot protect themselves in any way besides fleeing the criminals. It wasn’t always like this.

John
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John

Darkman raises a good point – this law was not about enforcement but a play to pasify the control gun crowd.

Paul provides a case on point. A car burglar confronted by the owner of the car, runs away and is shot in the back. The car burglar is charged with a criminal act. The car owner is charged with three criminal acts, attempted murder, possession of a firearm used unlawfully, and possession of a HCM.

It will be telling what, if any, plea deal involves.

Ted
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Ted

The last time I checked, law abiding citizens do NOT shoot people in the back. That is why charges were filed.

Craig Baker
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Craig Baker

Last time I checked lawful gun owners could shoot any pos committing a crime. In the back or not. Stop committing crimes. You may live longer. You are part of the problem

Kevin
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Kevin

No, that’s not the complete picture. Ask Andrew Branca or any other attorney.

Bob Moore
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Bob Moore

Shooting anyone in the back unarmed is an arrestible offense!

Cole
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Cole

Several states have passed “duty to retreat” laws meaning that you can be charged with a crime for using left at force in self defense if there was ANY other option, no matter how far fetched, even in your own home

Heartland Patriot
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Heartland Patriot

If your state has a “duty to retreat” these days, you live under an authoritarian regime. No one should ever be forced to retreat in the face of evil. Retreat should be a tactic, not a law.

ZEUS
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ZEUS

Ted: If someone tried to kill you or a loved one or tried to rape your wife or tried to go pedophile on your little girl,you wouldn’t shoot him as he ran away? You would let him live to kill,rape or play pedophile another day?

BeantownMikey
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BeantownMikey

I mean if the car burglar is shot in the back of course there will be charges.

njpba600
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njpba600

The way it’s written it would seem he was outside when he shot him but that wouldn’t matter. The law in NJ states even if an intruder were in your home, you cannot use deadly force unless you are sure your life or the life of others is in danger and you have no other choice. If the perp tries to leave, that then ends the threat and therefore you cannot go after them and try to kill them, you also cannot shoot them outside of your home, this isn’t Texas. When someone is arrested for something serious, they will… Read more »

Core
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Core

Do not comply: It’s 100% unconstitutional. Article VI within the US Constitution is Supreme Law.

doug
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doug

The Constitution means nothing. They will use it if it supports their points, but otherwise, it’s a dead letter.

Progressives killed the Constitution, starting with Teddy Roosevelt.

Sal Monella
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Sal Monella

Perhaps NJ gun owners will do what many who objected to high taxes have done…..leave the state for a free state.
NJ will collect fewer taxes and the state will economically implode eventually.

Ed Grasley
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Ed Grasley

This is exactly what I did in addition to getting away from the high taxes and the general, liberal regime in New Jersey. I took my salary with me and pay fewer taxes in a new state. It was time to find a more liberty conscious place to live.

Gerald Gregones
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Gerald Gregones

So did you have to pay a tax when you left the state? Someone told me they have a “leave tax” or some outrageous thing where when you want to move out of New Jersey you have to pay a fee.

Dennis Coates
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Dennis Coates

DO NOT COMPLY. Me thinks things are going to turn real SHI//real dam soon.

dwest
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dwest

I bet Phil Murphy isn’t man enough to go door to door and enforce this unconstitutional “victory.” Come and get ’em hero. MOLON LABE, mic drop.

Heartland Patriot
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Heartland Patriot

Of course he won’t. He’s an elitist leftwinger, he has henchmen to do his dirtywork for him.

Paul
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Paul
Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Why would one,as the law postulated by petty tyrants is un Constitutional. Will petty tyrants never learn,I know the answer to that.

Drew Gmitro
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Drew Gmitro

Glad I got outta NJ after 40+ year’s. I HATE NJ government, not the people or the state. This goes to show gun grabbers that ANY gun confiscation, buy backs, etc… would be an utter failure. This isn’t “Australia”. Freedom loving Americans will never simply “turn our guns in”. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. The government isn’t going to send police or military door to door, and face the wrath of what would create a massive blood bath on both sides. It would be a new “Revolution” because millions would fight.

BerndV
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BerndV

You hate the NJ government but not the people? The “people” are the ones electing these vile leftists.

Heartland Patriot
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Heartland Patriot

New Jersey, like several other places, suffers from having a sizeable group of leftists with money. Combine that with apathy by many other voters and institutionalized election fraud, and viola, crook Democrats run the show there.

m.
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m.

maybe the Constitution-traitor gov. & ag will be out soliciting?

Darkman
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Darkman

You have to realize these laws are not enacted for the purpose of enforcement. Once enforced they can be challenged more effectively in court. As long as they set on the books. There use is solely a political toll. The Liberal leadership in this nation realized decades ago that their acolytes are ruled by their emotions. Not their intellect. Results have never mattered. Regardless of the Cause for the fight. If their followers believe they care. That has always been enough for their continued Power. Keep Your Powder Dry.

dwest
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dwest

well said

Harry_the_Horrible
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Harry_the_Horrible

They don’t have to collect them.
Imagine a self-defense situation where the defender uses a weapon with a standard cap mag – he gets charged with a crime then.

Steve
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Steve

Go fk yourself Murphy. Who in their right mind would turn in anything, to a government filled with pedophiles. They thought she would never lose. Your days are numbered.

Joseph M Owens
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Joseph M Owens

Great post, I agree wholeheartedly.

Cyborg Hunter
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Cyborg Hunter

Keep laughing fool.
The joke is on us!

“There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers.” –Ann Rand

Paul Johnson
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Paul Johnson

Ayn Rand.

Heartland Patriot
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Heartland Patriot

Yep, that’s one of my favorite quotes, it speaks volumes about how they operate.

it's just Boris
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it's just Boris

Out of curiosity, what are the repercussions to an entity like the State Police for ignoring an FOIA request? (I have a general idea of what happens when a citizen ignores a request from the government, and it’s not often pretty.)

Ammoland
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You have to sue them into compliance in a court, and most folks don’t go that extra mile so they can get away with it.

TheHolyCrow
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TheHolyCrow

The FOIA laws have no teeth. And government agencies routinely use every excuse, and every opportunity, to jerk you around. Wolfgang Halbig, School Safety Expert and former Florida State Police Officer, spent tens of thousands of dollars investigating what went wrong in Newtown. Simple questions went unanswered and after a year, he had to hire a lawyer. BTW, Wolfgang has a new video interview on the web that is only 5 days old. His saga continues.

Patrick Shannon
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Patrick Shannon

Here’s another question: are New Jersey gun dealers selling standard capacity magazines? I presume the answer is no, but if that’s the case, what exactly are they selling? Magazines that cannot accept more than ten rounds?

JP
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JP

No, NJ dealers cannot sell mags with a capacity greater than 10 rounds. That being said there are no checkpoints on the borders between PA and DE.

Bugmunch
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Bugmunch

Everything is 10rds or under. Shorties or blocked off mags if the manufacture doesn’t directly sell/supply 10rd mags. Short Ar mags, pistols mags that are double stack are usually crimped off or have a blocker plate or modified in some way to only hold 10 and if you try to unrestrict them they would be damaged. Like they rivet, glue, Jb Weld the base plates on.

Ayersey
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Ayersey

The most hilarious part is you can purchase large capacity magazines in PA with proof you are over 18. That’s only if they bother to card. I was at Cable’s in PA where two kids walked up and purchased a bunch of 30 round p mags, some 90 round drum magazines and when they asked them for ID they got all nervous acting like they couldn’t find them in their wallets and the cashier said, “no problem, I just need your date of birth.”

Patrick Shannon
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Patrick Shannon

I wish the reporter had provided the following additional information: are New Jersey gun owners actually USING their standard capacity magazines in public, such as at gun ranges, etc?

Sjsw
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Sjsw

No, my range noted not to bring them in the latest newsletter. (Private range used by local cops). Plus the neighbors call the cops on people shooting all the time and say their shooting automatic weapons, because they built houses next to a active gun range, so probably best we don’t bring them in case the cops get called.

Perry
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Perry

What difference does it make if they are using them in public? The point of the law was to take them off the streets completely so that they could not be used while committing a crime. Their law failed completely.

Mike Hammer
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Mike Hammer

The law failed before it was passed. Criminals don’t obey laws. The only realistic way to deal with the criminal element is to increase the severity of the punishment for using them in a crime.

Tionico
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Tionico

if the penalties for committing the base crime were signficant enough the crimes would not be being perpetrated, and whether they ise single shot of hundred round drums would be immaterial. The root of almost all these problems is that the CRIMINA:S are not being adequately dealt with. The risk/reward factor is skewed in favour of the crime. That’s why in places where the common man is disarmed by law, crime incraeses (look into how the people in Australia fared after they all were FORCED to “sell” all their guns to gummit. GIN crime rates dropped.. for a while (but… Read more »

dwest
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dwest

I have visited our local NJ gun range recently and YES, I boldly used my “standard” 17 round capacity mags. And yes, I was politely informed by the range manager my mags are “illegal,” but I shrugged and said nothing has changed between my previous visit and this one other than some unenforceable nullified on arrival bs law. I’m still the same, my firearm is still the same, and the universe continues just as it always has… I positively dare any attempted enforcement because I welcome the conflict that will eventually overturn these bogus laws generated by low information touchy… Read more »

dwest
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dwest

autocorrect fail: Labe..

Chris Sheller
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Chris Sheller

Molon Labe here in California in solidarity with N.J. Patriots! They still gotta come and get ’em. They DO know how wise that will be. If/when the doodoo hits the fan, these “feelers” best know to cook, clean or gather for the hunters or their survival is half of nothing. Ready. Willing. Able.

Mr. Walkker
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Mr. Walkker

The community where I reside in Western WA State, the local Law Enforcement Agency is incapable of even Flying the United Stated Stars and Bars, properly. They have Zero Flag Etiquette. Zero. I looked into this issue. Why is it it, that the Local Police can not embrace proper Flag Etiquette? What we discovered that many Public Serv-ants, not all, tend to stare and stare, an endless piercing GAZE into black scribe mirrors. (aka computer screens). I see people speeding past them while they sit in the Patrol Car and stare at the screen. Somewhat oblivious to their surroundings. On… Read more »

NJ Mike
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NJ Mike

Funny, I too had to call a local group about their appalling flag etiquette. Sadly, it was the local VFW. And they could not understand why I was calling, or upset over it.
Trenton , N.J. adjacent town of Ewing.

m.
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m.

what did nj’s gooberment a**holes think was going to happen?

Bob
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Bob

No consequences at all, for the NJSP or you, dildo.

m.
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m.

sir, no offense to njsp, maybe they won’t have to to do the gov’s dirty work. thnx for the title, recognition is always welcome. but gun control = a**hole.

m.
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m.

correction: gun control = a**hole, no matter who you are