Fact Checking on the News – “Antifa is Arming Themselves”


Antifa Is Arming Itself
Antifa Is Arming Itself…?

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Has Antifa started to arm themselves with guns en-masse to push back against what they see as a rise in “right-wing” militia groups? Some magazines articles have been pushing that narrative, but we need to separate fact from fiction. It turns out some progressive news outlets might have their wishful facts all wrong.

Certain Antifa affiliated groups listed in the articles have been arming themselves for years such as the John Brown Gun Club/Red Neck Revolt (JBGC). Although this group does not identify as an Antifa organization, they do share similar goals. For example, the majority of their members are socialist or communist.

The Anarchist activist, Dave Strano, founded the John Brown Gun Club in Lawrence, Kansas in 2004. The group takes its name from a 19th-century American abolitionist. John Brown advocated the use of armed rebellion to end slavery. He led a raid on the federal armory at what is now Harpers Ferry, WV.

He counted on local slaves rising up and joining his rebellion. Only a few local slaves joined the uprising, and the raid failed with seven people being killed in the fighting. Local farmers, militiamen, and US Marines led by Robert E. Lee Captured Brown. The Commonwealth of Virginia tried him for treason. The court found Brown guilty, and he was hanged.

The John Brown Gun Club's first armed protest was against the Minute Man Project in 2005. The Minute Man Project goal was to secure the U.S. border with Mexico. In 2009 Red Neck Revolt formed as an offshoot of the John Brown Gun Club to counter the rise of the Tea Party movement.

After being dormant for several years the groups reorganized in the of 2016 in response to the campaign of then-candidate Donald Trump for President. They have held several protests while open carrying AR-15s and AKM rifles.

One thing that separates these groups from Antifa is even though these groups are heavily armed; they do not resort to violence. The JBGC has also had a sit down with a Three Percent group where they asserted even though their ideas are aligned with Antifa that they would only use force in self-defense.

The Huey Percy Newton Gun Club (HPNGC) is another Antifa allied armed group. The group takes its name from Huey P. Newton. Newton was a co-founder of the Black Panthers in the 1960s. The group was founded in Dallas, Texas in 2013.

The HPNGC insist they are not and never have been a part of The Black Panther Party. The group shares a lot of Antifa's political beliefs and have been a part of Antifa protest, but they have not resorted to violence. The communist group wants to spread awareness of the First and Second Amendment throughout the inner city. Their support for the First Amendment is directly at odds with the beliefs of Antifa.

The Socialist Rifle Association (S.R.A.) is another group listed in a lot of the articles. S.R.A. is an anti-capitalist group but also is not an Antifa group. The S.R.A. goal is to spread the power of the Second Amendment to those on the left that might otherwise be scared off by right-wing groups.

A lot of articles list the Liberal Gun Club as an Antifa group. The group is not an Antifa group at all. The group is a non-profit that teaches left of center Americans about gun rights and safe gun handling. The group does not attend protests and does not share most of Antifa's ideology.

What is most curious about these articles is the inclusion of Pink Pistols. Pink Pistols is an LGBTQ+ gun-rights group. They are not partisan. Some members of Pink Pistols are strict conservatives. The group has worked with the N.R.A., appeared on AmmoLand News, and worked alongside other right-leaning groups. It is almost like some of the writers Googled “LGBT Gun Groups” and used the first result that popped up.

So, is Antifa arming themselves?

In a December F.B.I. Document an informant told the F.B.I. that Antifa was trying to buy guns from Mexican Cartels. Specific news sites printed the story as proven fact, but looking into the account, it gets a little murkier.

The F.B.I. based its report on a single informant's information. The F.B.I. opened an investigation and found very little corroborating evidence. No arrest was made, and no warning was sent out to local law enforcement or FFL dealers as ATF will do. It seems like the information was bad.

Guns usually flow from the U.S. to Mexico. It would make little sense for Antifa to try to smuggle arms into the country when it would be easier, safer, and legal to acquire them stateside. Most people in law enforcement would agree with my assessment.

There is no doubt that some Antifa members are acquiring firearms, but AmmoLand News cannot find a substantial concerted effort to obtain them to use in their violent protests such as the protest in Portland that seems to be mentioned in all the articles.

There have been several OP-EDs from people in the media calling for Antifa to arm themselves with firearms, but as of now, that hasn't happened. If it does happen, AmmoLand will report it. While we are no fans of the misguided Antifa movement, the truth is more important than clicks.

The threat of an armed Antifa is terrifying. The group has shown it is willing to use violence to accomplish their goals, and that is why these articles push the narrative of Antifa acquiring firearms. The coming “second civil war” sells. They get clicks and shares, and in the end that adds up to dollars for fake news outlets.

About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. He is the former CEO of Veritas Firearms, LLC and is the co-host of The Patriot-News Podcast which can be found at www.blogtalkradio.com/patriotnews. John has written extensively on the patriot movement, including 3%'ers, Oath Keepers, and Militias. In addition to the Patriot movement, John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and is currently working on a book on leftist deplatforming methods and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, on Facebook at realjohncrump, or at www.crumpy.com.

  • 164 thoughts on “Fact Checking on the News – “Antifa is Arming Themselves”

    1. For anyone, before you offer support or agreement with an individual known as @USA, keep this in mind as this is a quote from him..

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      “The videos I have watched teach that the founding fathers were the original terrorists” – @USA

      This was his attempt to explain Government violation of the Constitution and attacks on “our American Heritage” as his evidence, the men who fought for higher purpose and created the Declaration of independence and the Constitution of the United States are what he views as the source of tyranny.

      This is why I spotted him right off as an agitator. What he is preaching is communist/French style revolution. There is a major difference between that and the American Revolutionary process, so don’t let yourself be suckered in.

      Study the Constitution, know the Declaration of Independence, get hold of some original source documentation with books by historians such as David Barton who cite and reference documented and preserved letters along with other personal writings by our founding fathers. You have got to know your stuff. Be very cautious of people like @USA. They are not what they claim to be.

      1. The Double speak back and forth on the subject is truly astounding. I wanted to add one final question.

        If someone claims to defend the Constitution, but in the same breath argues against it because some parts keep them from doing things about other people, are they really following the Constitution by violating it?

      1. How in the world can you glorify Brown’s hanging AND the US troops under Eisenhower who liberated concentration camps?!
        What kinda scumbag in the 21st century condemns liberation of slaves? Unless you’re the 0.1% of the internet that’s actually a Nazi.

      2. A little bird has told me that Bill & Hillary are falling very ill due to the noose tightening. Everybody will see why soon enough. Prepare to be “astonished”.

        1. @USA I hope your information is correct. We have been waiting for this a long time and all Americans deserve to see her in an orange jumpsuit, along with slick willie. I heard on the news that he has flown over 20 times on Epstein’s jet, guess that clears up the rumors about him years ago.

          1. They are ALL going down and begging Trump this minute to take money and let them walk. Fed’s are arresting Deep Stater’s everywhere right now. Things will be more obvious in the coming days.

    2. PURE 100% FBI/DHS/DOJ propaganda. I know for a fact that there ARE armed communist cells in the US, and that communist cells are doing everything they can to “arm up” and “find training” This is an attempt to “cool down” the “right”. Nothing more. It is interesting that the Government supports the left to the point of commissioning such BS.

      1. Propaganda feeds all conflict and yes they are armed. I doubt anybody here will disagree with this fact and even though they are armed nobody here to the best of my knowledge wants to infringe upon their rights as clearly protected within the plainly stated English language in 2A. I’m confident to state nobody here is in a “cool down” utopia that based upon my observation were ready to fight when attacked. Crumpy speaks for himself when he states, “The threat of an armed Antifa is terrifying”. Crumpy is the only one “terrified” as the rest of us welcome armed conflict if that is what Americas enemy desires. Restoration of the Republic under Constitutional law will not be thwarted by opposition forces.

    3. Are any of you aware that when Trump gave the executive order to ban bump stocks the ATF changed the definition of machine gun to include semiautomatic weapons? They also intimated that bump stocks were really illegal the whole time. This rewriting of the law will comeback to bite everyone when an anti second amendment candidate is elected president.

      1. Nobody posting here will ever see your anti 2A President again in American history.
        You’re desperate and attempting to run a narrative of deception, nice try but no cigar.
        We know who you are and you have lost.
        Thanks for playing.

    4. Antifa ANTIFA
      Funny their calling card is ALL WHITES MUST DIE.

    5. If left with no other avenue than violence to seize power – the progressive socialist democrat party will arm them . . . & BLM . . . & any and every other Anti-American radical group that is willing.

    6. Remember that Obama was going to form a security force that would be independent of existing LEO and as strong as the military. Every dictator wants his personal private army, like the German SS. Obama never succeeded in building his army, but did develop operators within the intelligence agencies thar were loyal to him, and did his dirty work. Had Hillary become president I believe the SS like units would have been created, with the soldiers of the SS coming from the Antifa and BLM. I think that when the Communists take the presidency and both houses of Congress in 2020 or 2024 they will need SS units to enforce Communist doctrine, confiscate guns, and to execute dissidents, those who refuse to be re-educated and who resist the governments tyranny. The Communists will need an system outside of the Constitution to do their dirty work. And a. group like the SS will fit the bill. A SS staffed by Antifa and BLM thugs.


      1. Hillary et’al have lost control and are begging Trump to make a deal as I type this. There is a mountain of evidence against Hillary et’al being added to the Epstien case this minute to include Hillary and Humas sexual assault/murder of an 8 year old girl on film where they cut the girls face off and placed it over their own and danced around the room wearing the little girls face. Nobody is taking Trumps place for a very long time and when he does get replaced it will be with another like him. Communists have lost all control and over the next 7 weeks you will see this for yourself. Any armed uprising from communist forces will end in minutes to hours.
        Patriots are in control.

          1. No, he sounds like a progressive. This nation was founded by liberals who smuggled drugs and guns, rioted, shot cops, and evaded taxes. The conservatives fought for the king then ran away to Canada.

            1. @CM, I am sure that Tcat was writing in modern terms. But the term “progressive” had not been coined when the Republic was being founded. Do you know where the term “Progressive” came from?

          1. HIS WRITING instantly gives away his character and politics, regardless of what he calls himself. He could call himself a glass of milk, but his verbal claim would be worthless.

        1. Your representation of US ICE and Border Patrol as NAZI SS agents is amusing but totally wrong. Its clear you lack all knowledge of Hitlers SS. ICE agents are enforcing the laws of the land. And trying hard to do so despite being chained up by a Communist congress and Communist Federal Judges.
          I am all for laws that protect Americans from harm, maintain national sovereignty, and that evict all illegals and their families.

    7. Antifa arming themselves????
      While supporting and voting for the very people that want to eliminate their very right to do so!!
      Hypocrisy at it’s finest!

      1. 1. Antifa isn’t a group.
        2. Antifa is mainly comprised of communists, socialists, and anarchists.
        3. Communists, socialists, and anarchists are not democrats.

        1. Wrong on the first and last counts bucko, but here is some food for thought.

          The federal definition of gang as used by the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), is:

          An association of three or more individuals;
          Whose members collectively identify themselves by adopting a group identity, which they use to create an atmosphere of fear or intimidation, frequently by employing one or more of the following: a common name, slogan, identifying sign, symbol, tattoo or other physical marking, style or color of clothing, hairstyle, hand sign or graffiti;
          Whose purpose in part is to engage in criminal activity and which uses violence or intimidation to further its criminal objectives.
          Whose members engage in criminal activity or acts of juvenile delinquency that if committed by an adult would be crimes with the intent to enhance or preserve the association’s power, reputation or economic resources.
          The association may also possess some of the following characteristics:
          The members may employ rules for joining and operating within the association.
          The members may meet on a recurring basis.
          The association may provide physical protection of its members from others.
          The association may seek to exercise control over a particular geographic location or region, or it may simply defend its perceived interests against rivals.
          The association may have an identifiable structure.

          At minimum it is easily fits the federal description of a criminal gang. A criminal gang is indeed a group. Most of these “Blackshirts” that have been identified are registered as democrats.

        2. Like hell “communists, socialists, and anarchists are not democrats.” They most certainly are! Every one of them. And although it is true that not all Democrats are communists, socialists, and anarchists… all Democrats are indeed liberals who at least support communists and socialists.

          What color is the sky in your world?

      2. Oh that’s nothing. In my state the left votes for communists then they go to Cabelas and buy guns then return home with new guns and support Red Flag confiscation then the communists they just voted in make a law to demand them to register their guns and they refuse then take to the streets armed vowing to not comply and now they are criminals for non compliance who hate Trump. These lefty’s will be the first to revolt against the communists they voted into office while blaming Trump. When more than 3 of them get together in public the cops string out the crime scene tape and place cones around them for containment. A conservative could walk by in camo’s carrying a Bazooka and the cops wont even look due to there is no threat unlike the lefty’s wearing Speedos being contained with tape and cones.

    8. I know people who stand against ANTIFA on the ground in Portland. ANTIFA, according to them, are crowd-funding weapons acquisition, and now have armed overwatch behind them as they beat/spray people who they target. They ARE training, but (so far) seem to scream and run away when met with effective resistance.
      Again: I haven’t been there, don’t go there myself (I detest going into Portland now), but am acquainted with some who do face off against them.

      1. Your sources are correct. Recently, Eugene, OR police officers encountered a man carrying a backpack who attempted to disrupt a class at a middle school, asking to have his child accompany him, against a domestic court restraining order. When police were summoned, a struggle ensued as they attempted to escort him from the building. Just outside the entrance, he fought with them, went to ground, then pulled a concealed pistol and discharged it twice at the closest officer. The other officer returned fire, killing the shooter, who was later identified as an Antifa member, and their, quote – “firearm instructor”. That little revelation caught my attention, and as a retired federal investigator and Marine gun toter, it stuck with me.
        I think Antifa will begin to up the ante, and it will only be a matter of time before some angry, agitating member will attempt to use a gun at one of these tantrum fests, perhaps in Portland, a bastion of their group. Who knows what that would initiate…

    9. For those who would have the Government declare ANTIFA a “Terrorist Organization,” or espouse Government Involvement, I submit that is exactly what Progressives from both sides of the aisle want. You see, if they can declare one Organization a “Threat” for which “Indefinite Detention (among others)” can be employed, they will incrementally redefine “What is a Terrorist Organization.” They will in fact, lower the bar…Heck, I said that the gangs of the 90’s should have been declared Domestic Terrorists way back then. Here’s the rub, inviting yet another government solution will evolve to the government pointing its powerful canons in your direction.

      We need solutions from lateral thinkers…Revelator?

      We need to consider the people who empower this mess. We need to make it “Not so cool” to be a scumbag Fascist, that projects on their opposition.

      Study the “Narcissistic Parent” and their use of “Munchhausen’s by Proxy” to get attention for themselves. That is what our Progressive Government and Bureaucracy is doing with ANTIFA, so that they are the only ones with what is looked at as a palatable solution.

      1. So far these Antifa groups have been very lucky ! They have only encountered innocent groups of people who are “UNARMED” lack the experience to fight back, have remained timid and intimidated and passive ! This only tends to make them think they are beyond harm. Just let these idiots take up arms and go up against a real armed Militia. When the smoke clears, you will never see another masked imbecile, representing “ANTIFA” show his face in public again

      2. @Greg K, EXACTLY! The real danger here is as you say, the government using this miniscule group to redefine what is acceptable and what is not, then using that definition to come after the people they are truly concerned with – us. I am concerned though that we have already lost the culture war. It is my understanding that the most searched topic on the internet (for the last several years) has been the kardashians. If in fact that is true what does that say about our society? Antifa doesn’t worry me, but their being used as a vehicle to give the government more authority over people they want to quiet does.

        1. @Austin Miller, No he is not right. The government can not get around the Constitutional Right to a trial and the Constitutional right to reasonable bail so that one can participate in their own defense. That is why I gave him an out. Everyone in the US knows that they get a trial, an attorney, and bail (unless there is evidence of intent to abscond).
          As to the culture wars … I do not know.

            1. Persons, Greg, not just citizens. You are wrong a second time. The equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment says persons.
              Nearly every reader, here, knows that a legislative act or Congressional Act that is contrary to the Constitution is null and void. Every part of the Patriot Act that is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void. Maybe you should learn the material.
              Second apologies to Renov8.

            2. @Wild Bill and @ Greg K

              Wild Bill has this one, partially. The 14th Amendment does allow for the protection of Due Process in concern of Life, Liberty, and Property to all persons. However, there are three distinct separations made by this clause. Citizens (born and naturalized), All persons in regards to Life liberty and property, and finally Protections of the law cannot be denied to anyone within a jurisdiction.

              The last one is funny, because it means that if you are a tourist you are protected by the law against citizens if they try to rob you. By the same account, a citizen is guaranteed protection and that the law will be enforced if someone enters this country illegally and damages their property. They have a right to have that person in court, tried, and even sent back. The law however reiterates the importance of Citizenship to all rights, and that Citizens cannot be denied their constitutionally protected rights.

              @Greg K.
              If you support the idea that back doors can go around the constitution, and that “It doesn’t matter if they violate it or not, here they are”, then I don’t think you are being honest with yourself.

              Do you support Red Flag laws? Because that is exactly what you are describing. Do you think the Government has a right or an authority to violate a protected, off limits Right of the people just because it wants to? If you say yes to that, then you have no Rights, no Second Amendment, you just argued the left’s case for it. You are wrong about the Patriot Act and that kind of hypocrisy will ruin your reputation, if not one day your life (First they came for right to due process, but it didn’t affect me. Then….)

              Time to own up to it man. Article 6 section 2. The Constitution trumps any and all acts of congress, just like it trumps the executive and judicial branches as well.

            3. @Revelator
              There’s nothing for me to own…you just supported my point, straight up. The government is, and has been, creating codifications to circumvent the Constitution for quite a while now.

              The Red Flags violate the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and the 14th Amendments. That was one of the first arguments I had with Bill.

              The Crux of my first comment is; if we allow a few Unconstitutional Codifications to come out of the closet for ANTIFA, I will assure you, it will be just a matter of time before your favorite folk will fall out of favor with this Government, and have the same Codes used on you.

              I have much respect for you, nearly none for mostly wrong Bill.

              I scream about “Supremacy” all the time. Something you left out; the STATES are signatory to it as well. Again, there’s nothing for me to own up to.

              This needs to be a cultural fix, probably with direct Cultural intervention, or he government will empower themselves by bypassing the Constitution once again.

            4. @Revelator, How am I wrong about the Patriot Act, other than citing the wrong Act?
              The Patriot Act Unconstitutionally allows for Warrant-less digital searches among others.

              Can’t help but believe you have me on the opposite of my POV somehow. You did that on another comment, is there something I should be apprised of?

            5. @Greg K

              No, it is not in support of your point.

              What you are arguing is capitulation, once the Government creates it “Oh well.” Please re-read what I wrote.

              What Wild Bill is trying to state is that the 14th Amendment reaffirms the Bill of Rights as restrictions against the Government. If you are truly recognizing it as Unconstitutional, then you are in agreement with Wild Bill. Just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean it is lawful.

              What Wild Bill is trying to Tell you is that the Government does not have the Authority to break the law. You are trying to argue with him because you are so sure you must be right that you are not understanding what he is trying to tell you. In return, you turn around and tell him that the Government is breaking the law so Wild Bill’s comment isn’t valid. Look closely.

              Wild Bill: “The Constitution does not give Gov’t the authority to over-ride peoples rights. What they are Doing is illegal.”

              Greg K: “What the Government is doing is Unconstitutional.” But from here is where you slid off into being wrong. I’ll quote you so you understand where.

              “Rather or not it’s repugnant to the Constitution has no bearing when your bank accounts are seized and you are not provided a court date.”

              What you just said is that they are doing it anyway, so it really does not matter since they are passing laws to do it anyway. To accept that position is to accept the left’s position that the Government and the Constitution are separate. That is not aiding your argument, it is a position you are being very wrong about right now because you are in a mindset of being devils advocate to Wild Bill. What Wild Bill said was factually correct here (I am looking specifically at this argument), but that is not to say his delivery was wrong or could have been done better. That is why I am addressing you first, you asked for my advice but first we have to correct where things have gone off track first.

              Now let me show you where your argument should have gone.
              “But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

              Much of what you are saying is in agreement with Wild Bill. The problem we have now is Wild Bill can’t get through to you because he is not presenting long form and showing you where and why specifically, but Is just punching you with “You’re wrong” which sets you off. You on the other hand are discounting anything he might say as wrong from the start, and are trying to counter punch by automatically disagreeing with him and as above, making a incorrect argument.

            6. @Greg K

              Now, I don’t know what has set off this bad blood between you and Wild Bill, that is why I am trying to deal with this first.

              I am only looking at what was said between you two on a factual basis, and calling where the error resides. That’s why even though there is a lot that you are saying that is right, we have to correct the understanding of what is wrong. There is the reason I asked the question of you that I did. You cannot engage in a double standard, your argument must be 100% buttoned up to beat our enemies at every turn.

              I’d like to offer something. Would you like me to act as a arbiter between you and him? I speak “Wild Bill”, I can read and understand him, and I know how to talk with him to make a common understanding between minds that don’t often translate well between each other. The offer is there if you are interested.

            7. @revelator
              Which part of this statement suggests I’m OK with the Government creating Unconstitutional Laws?

              “For those who would have the Government declare ANTIFA a “Terrorist Organization,” or espouse Government Involvement, I submit that is exactly what Progressives from both sides of the aisle want. You see, if they can declare one Organization a “Threat” for which “Indefinite Detention (among others)” can be employed, they will incrementally redefine “What is a Terrorist Organization.” They will in fact, lower the bar…Heck, I said that the gangs of the 90’s should have been declared Domestic Terrorists way back then. Here’s the rub, inviting yet another government solution will evolve to the government pointing its powerful canons in your direction.”

            8. @Rev, Thank you for your most diplomatic offer, but it will do no good. You have identified the exact point at which GK lost the debate. Just to review: It is when GK writes: “Rather or not it’s repugnant to the Constitution has no bearing when your bank accounts are seized and you are not provided a court date.”

              That sentence was where he amateurishly abandoned his debate position. Everyone that has ever read Marbury v. Madisen, from 1804 to the present day, knows that is wrong.

              Then you tried to point out the error to Gk: (Rev) What you just said is that they are doing it anyway, so it really does not matter since they are passing laws to do it anyway. To accept that position is to accept the left’s position that the Government and the Constitution are separate. That is not aiding your argument, it is a position you are being very wrong about right now”

              That was pretty diplomatic. Most people would have added a well deserved insult there, but you realized that it was not necessary. Well, we had a storm and some damage, here, so I have to get back to work.

            9. Ooops. I erred in my punctuation by omitting the first set of quotations marks. It should be: Then you tried to point out the error to Gk: (Rev) “What you just said is that they are doing it anyway, so it really does not matter since they are passing laws to do it anyway. To accept that position is to accept the left’s position that the Government and the Constitution are separate. That is not aiding your argument, it is a position you are being very wrong about right now”

              My apologies to the readership for any confusion that the omission may have caused.

            10. @Wild Bill

              I did not add an insult there because it was not needed. Greg K and you actually are in agreement almost on everything. He, like you, tries to act out of integrity.

              The problem is often that the human psyche immediately puffs up its chest and goes into a defensive mode when it feels slighted or attacked, abandoning rational logic in the process. Remember what happened to Don McDougall after I had to excoriate him at the beginning of 2018?

              Greg K is currently where you were a few years ago but I still think, and will continue to unless he shows me otherwise, that he is an honorable man. He has a pretty good grasp on history, and has indicated he is truly as upset as we are about the abuses happening to the constitution. Right now though you and he cannot communicate on the same wave length even though you are trying to get to the same point on the map. Instead of chasing him further off, he just needs a hand getting back up on the path out of the jungle.

            11. @Greg K

              “It’s in the NDAA of 2012…Indefinite Detention is in play for American Citizens as well. Rather or not it’s repugnant to the Constitution has no bearing when your bank accounts are seized and you are not provided a court date.”

              Right there. That is where you went off the rails. You were trying to tell @Wild Bill so fervently that he was wrong, you dropped the Constitutional defense and told Wild Bill “It doesn’t matter if the Constitution forbids Government from doing it, they are doing it anyway.” You dropped the Supremacy of the Constitution because you wanted to score a point against Wild Bill. At that point, Wild Bill was the one defending the Constitution and its principles. You brought up the courts, but that is nothing new. I’ve been pointing out how off the rails the courts have been since the 1790’s for quite a while now, much earlier than the date you provided.

              Take a few breaths and forget about Wild Bill for a moment. Ask yourself a few questions.
              1. Do our rights Matter?
              2. What systems did our founders put in place to deal with this?
              3. What original source documents provide the evidence and context for that?

              You are absolutely correct 100% that the fix is not a new government mandate or bad legislation. I get the feeling that both you and Wild Bill are so fixated on disagreeing on your agreements that you are looking at a blue item and shouting back and forth “It’s dark blue!” “No it’s not! It’s Navy blue!”

              If the goal is not violating the Constitution any more with more bad legislation, citing and arguing about the NDAA of 2012 means nothing, as Wild Bill was the one trying to explain that to do so is in violation of Constitutional law and therefore illegal.

          1. Didn’t lose anything Bill…Again, this law is on the books
            Now, if the public starts screaming for a solution such as this petition calling for ANTIFA being declared a Domestic Terror Group
            Then eventually the covernment will get around to declaring your 3% group or any other they feel threatened by a “Terrorist Group.” They will then use it out of context much like the prosecution of the Hammonds in Harney County.
            Short version Bill, you’re wrong again, period…Own it!

        2. @ wild Bill , my apologies for not being clearer. I certainly wouldn’t debate the legality perspective, what I was referring to was using Antifa as a social narrative to define what is socially unacceptable I.E. arming up, and then using that social currency to isolate followers of the constitution. We see this happening with immigration, sexual identity and of course us, the deplorables. I think Antifa arming up is a red herring and we need to make sure we dont take the bait or in the court of public opinion we will find ourselves in a untenable position.

          Thanks for pointing out the legal perspective.

          1. Bill’s wrong, as usual…Here’s the Publication for your viewing and a Wiki article that points out Sec. 1021, 1022 as problematic because it circumvents the Constitution by “Indefinite Detention” and suspension of “Habeas Corpus” via military detention for anyone determined to be a Terrorist, Domestic or otherwise.

      3. @Greg K, When you say, “… Government involvement… “, what involvement do you have in mind? Pursuant to what authority do you think that government can employ “Indefinite Detention (among others)…”. What “… others)”?

        1. Bill, I don’t have time for your idiocy today…go learn the material and quit allowing your bullfrog keyboard to overload your tadpole brain stem.

          1. @Greg K, I ask for a clearer statement of your vague, ill defined, and hazy writing and I get insults. You tipped your hand. Thank you for giving people more insight into your character than I ever could have asked for on my own.

          2. “They” were going to use NDAA on us then Hillary lost and now the military is going to use it on “them”. It’s why Trump activated the NDAA by Executive Order thus reversing these executions from us to “them”. Like he states often, “elections have consequences”. The corrupt deep state is now actively being rounded up and it is currently beginning to break in the MSN. NONE are exempt.
            I will not clarify these facts for obvious reasons but I will state this is open source information the kind posters here do not like. One would have to ask why.
            Patriots in control.

            1. @USA

              Making claims without evidence, attacking actual patriots who have rightfully criticized you in the past based on actions being specifically called out at the time.

              If trying to cover up Infowars and Enquirer links as being your source material, sure “Open Source” does cover it by definition, but it does not make the front page stories about “Bat Boy” or the lady who got stuck in a fridge and survived on ketchup credible or any less idiotic.

              Your actions speak louder than words. When you put up bad info and get called on it, its not a question of asking why, and it doesn’t make you a patriot.

              1. Don’t engage in hypocrisy.
              2. Be consistent
              3. Own up to it when you get caught
              4. Your word is not enough to discredit another by its own merit
              5. Your reputation is yours to lose, present bad evidence to your argument at your own discretion, but do not cry about the consequences.

            2. You can go read the EO activating NDAA and see feds rounding up Deep State on the news. All open source info. Not a secret but thanks for your consistent criticism of open source info that anybody can go look up. Evidence for your court case is abundant on the internet. Could look it up in less time than you took to write your book.

            3. @Greg K
              Thanks for the document. I had no idea it was as massive as it appears to be. On first glance I would say preliminarily there is no way the Constitution can survive it.
              Deep State is refuting open source information across many channels. It is their enemy. Trump is going to round them up and toss their rights in the trash so they are trying to stay alive. USSC was on TV months ago talking with Congress about indefinite detention and execution of traitors so Deep State is in total panic mode due to the needle coming. GITMO is open for business should they be so lucky.

            4. @USA

              You are not paying attention.

              1. What is your source for the basis of your argument? Why try and hide it? You have a history of putting up tabloid sources here. Those are not Credible. So why specifically state “I will not Clarify these” unless you deliberately do not want people to see what you are taking as source material?

              2. You have a history of running away when you get caught in a lie.

              3. Your go to is ad hominem against anyone who presents evidence against your argument and shows any flaw behind it. An example would be you tried to compare me to NAZIS, which was doubly ironic considering you had made more than a few anti-Semitic comments in the days prior to that. (Oh yeah, that was one of the arguments you ran away from without responding after)

      4. So apprehending them as criminals when they are done doing criminal acts and escalating the tools used against proportionate to the harm they do is somehow bad?

        I am a bit confused here. The social contact we have is the government punishes those who fall outside of it, eg vandals, robbers, murderers, etc. Are you suggesting extra legal means to combat the current issue? We can retrain the future generations, but the current crop of blackshirts need to have the current legal system applied to them as a means to prevent further harm

        1. There are plenty of laws on the books to arrest these thugs Frank…In fact, those jerks that attacked that old fella with crowbars should be brought up on “Attempted Murder” charges.
          Here’s what we don’t want… this is a circumvention of the Constitution that could be utilized on anyone the Government finds unfavorable, depending on who’s in charge at any given time.
          Scroll down there and read the “Indefinite Detention” provision. Slippery Slope, Frank

      5. Is a well known fact with videos on line that Gov has declared all Americans as terrorists many years ago and they teach this designation to federal authorities. That we are in fact the enemy of our own country. The videos I have watched teach that the founding fathers were the original terrorists and we can see this mentality evidenced most recently at the Bundy standoff which was due to Uranium One sell off of ore reserves to Russia by congressional criminals aka Agenda 21, 2030 & 2050 depopulation of America to loot the wealth from the land and steal Americas heritage. By the gov’s definition of “terrorist” every person who takes up violent conflict for political purpose is a terrorist which ultimately defines itself as people must comply to every demand and to further this issue gov recently added to the head shrinkers book of mental disorders that if you do not comply to the govs demand then you are nutty and cant be trusted, perhaps even Red Flagged for being nutty. I’ve not seen the head shrinker info personally but I heard this was being added so may want to check. The rest is again as I state open source info that anybody can read up on and it’s been circulating on the net for years. Bundy’s tried to explain this to people and everybody simply did not listen. People tend to not care and is possibly why were here today. We have reached the point where the gov can show up at your house shoot you dead, burn your house down then run back and forth over the rubble with tanks then tell your neighbors that was what is best for everybody and nobody will care. Oh wait they been doing that for years, whoops. Here in my county they come and empty magazines in the back of your head if the bank forecloses on your house so it’s best to not be at that house in the event you miss a payment. Real news, happened just a few miles down the road. They even smash down your door guns drawn and steal your kids at gun point if your doctor calls that you missed a shot. UPS is hooking up with Gates to deliver vaccines right to your door with a doctor to shoot you up at gun point because the police are going to make sure you comply. All open source info that you can look up as easily as I look it up. This stuff might be why everybody in my neighborhood including feds and police up and down the street are ALL boarded up in their houses since months ago. No traffic, no lights, no walkers, no bikers, nothing moving dead silence. People putting up layered fencing in other neighborhoods and its tall with locked gates, signs and security cameras. Will be hard pressed to find a single marked police vehicle or a uniformed officer anywhere in these parts due to they are in hiding. Have been for a long time. My area of the country has totally lost it in every aspect although I haven’t seen anybody in the refrigerator eating catsup but I’m sure it’s going on somewhere.

        1. @USA, Why is something a so called well known fact because someone puts it in a video? When you say “the government” that is an awful lot of people. What agency of the government “has declared all Americans as terrorists”. Stop watching those u tube videos. And where are all these deep staters being arrested that you were writing about?

          1. @Wild Bill

            That’s Why @USA doesn’t like putting up his sources. When you rely on Alex Jones’ material, you open yourself up for the label conspiracy theorist and fool.

            After all Alex Jones did say on video the government has “Gay Bombs” that they drop on people and turn them into Gays. If @USA calls it open source info, it must be legitimate right?

            What really shows why he is refusing to cite his information and is saying “Open Source! Open Source!” Think about what he just said.

            “Here in my county they come and empty magazines in the back of your head if the bank forecloses on your house so it’s best to not be at that house in the event you miss a payment. Real news, happened just a few miles down the road.”

            Notice, no source, no background context, he just states Assassinations for home foreclosures are happening all over as if this is North Korea. This is why he has earned the Tin Foil hat label. I would love to see him cite one piece of evidence where a foreclosure happened that police put the homeowner on the ground and put 15+ shots into the back of his head. But that is why he cant engage me directly, I can dissect his arguments. That’s why he always runs away from me.

    10. We must be prepared to take out ANTIFA. They are a fascist threat to our liberties. And to our children as they support pedophiles.

      1. Antifa means Anti-Fascist. They literally only show up to protest fascists. When fascists don’t show neither does Antifa. Considering the GOP is made up of mainly sex offenders and pedophiles it’s funny you would try and claim Antifa has anything to do with that. Your dotard is running concentration camps ran by pedophile cops.

        1. What ANTIFA says and what they do are miles apart, but it’s good to know your motives.
          Your libel and defamation of character of the GOP and the President betray your own interests. Reading the news tells me that the Left is far more likely to be interested in children.

          ANTIFA shows up not to demonstrate legally, but to do so illegally against anyone they deem to be Fascists. They violently attack non-violent demonstrators and the Press. Those are Fascist behaviors.

          They are acting illegally as well as unconstitutionally, in denying others their 1st Amendment rights to free speech freedom of assembly. In short their behavior is illegal and they act as a criminal gang deployed to attack anyone the Left disagrees with. Where have we seen that before? Oh yes, the National Socialists used those tactics.

    11. Back in the 60’s and 70’s, southern states passed laws against people wearing hoods that covered their faces. This was used against the KKK. Why can’t similar laws be passed to keep ANTIFA from wearing masks? Someone should fund marshal art experts to wander into an ANTIFA protest. Then when they assault people they will get their asses kicked.

    12. All that is missing from the antifa (they don’t deserve to be capitalized) hoodlums is a black horse to go along with their black clothing and masks. They are a new interpretation of the old kkk who as a group pick on individual victims who can’t defend themselves against a bunch of masked idiots determined to do violence. They are classic bullies who enjoy strength in numbers combined with anonymity to simply act out their aggression. They have been lucky so far as far as retribution. And they are stupid enough to continue pushing their luck.

      1. the day is coming, and I hope soon, when an antifa mob targets an apparent wimp/pile of overcooked spaghetti, thinking they have another common rag doll to play with. But their assessment of the target will quicly be proven to be VERY far off the mark. That “easy pickings” target will when the press comes reveal himself as a well armed and trained individual who just happened to be where antifa decided to create a scene. Several black-clad uglies will have their masks removed by the ambulance crews as they are loaded into the meatwagons for their last ride to hospital. And hopefully those other black clad miscreants, after going home to take care of the fresh load in their britches, will reconsider their involvement wiht such a group as antifa.

        The schoolyard bully gets his way until some apparently wimpy kid wearies of getting the stuffing kicked out of him, and living in fear of SYB. His “tipping point” will be reached, and he will deliver a reckoning that is long overdue, and more than welcome. The former SYB will experience a sudden attitude adjustment, and most likely move to a different part of town where he is unkown, henceforth to live as a decent fellow.

        Oh yes, and Portland Police will likely arrest the chap who finally takes enough of antifa’s garbage and settles the matter…. as a certain different news gatherer had happen to him in Portland. The city tried and convicted him, last I heard that was on appeal outside the city. I saw the videos, he was clearly jusstified in bringing his sidearm into play, though he never directly took aim at anyone, only revealed its presence as he made every attempt to leave the scene. Portland? I’d almost rather be on the loose in London or the no go parts of Paris.

    13. A well armed militia. Now that is a site to behold. We have the NRA who is well armed but as American Patriots we are armed all across America. But to be a well armed militia it has to be formed into a unity from all across America. A pledge to end socialism, a pledge to stop killing babies. A pledge to stop government from destroying the constitution. Yes we are strong in weapons but weak in unity.

        1. You are sooooo right. Most armed conservative people are with jobs families homes ,etc. Most of us are talking the right stuff, but when the chips are down, will you gun down the opposition? Lack of unity is also evident in the funding of the pro 2nd amendment groups fighting for our rights. Lots of blah, blah but too few reaching for their wallets.

      1. I agree, and worry about this this all the time. But since the media and all social platforms are liberal garbage how can we unite into an effective force against them.

      2. @Jaytee, The more issues that you drag in, the less likely you will get the unity you want. Why not just base your unity on the Second Amendment civil Rights issue?
        @Wally, It is precisely because we have families, homes, and jobs that too few reach for their wallets.

      3. Armed Americans are the largest armed force on the planet but like you said unity is key maybe when everyone sees that they want us divided and they work at keeping us divided we can pursue the taking back of our country.

    14. The utter stupidity of these ANTIFA-like groups, and ANTIFA themselves, is staggering. Particularly those groups aligned with the libtards, explaining the power of 2A and arming with semi-auto rifles. Do they not understand that these same D politicians they claim to follow and support are the same people aiming to destroy their rights to own firearms? Do they not understand the definition of fascism? Blinding stupidity.

      1. Gdubb, Never confuse stupidity with evil.
        They are not stupid. They are well organized and well funded. They have a plan and adhere to it.
        This shows intelligence, in all meanings of the word, as well as dedication.
        They are an effective and dangerous enemy.

    15. glad to see this editorial, and glad that the author clarified the non-partisan Big Tent nature of the Pink Pistols. I second the calls for Antifa being officially and ostentatiously designated a national terrorist network by the Justice Department. despite my Constitutional reservations about the RICO Act, I’d support RICO prosecutions of (at minimum) several Antifa nodes.

      one thing I believe I once mentioned here in 2017 bears repeating. up until publicly voting for Trump in 2016, I was involved in several HIV/healthcare activist settings that brought me into regular contact with serious and committed socialists. one troubling aspect was that, over my 5+ years in that setting, I occasionally debated the Second Amendment with people…very unpopular. however, several extremely well-connected and fairly competent activists in separate discussions all eventually shared that “those who fight for The People” would never need to depend on the supposedly “racist Constitution”…because when the Revolution comes, there are sympathetic nations who stand prepared to arm The Resistance. my impression was more directed to China and/or Russia, rather than Mexico…tho Cartel intermediation seems plausible. I also know that, as Leftist political defeats accumulate, growing numbers are mumbling about various secession scenarios. as a way to “prevent bloodshed”, no less!

      when I mentioned the “sympathetic nations arming us” thing here awhile back, some offered fairly reasonable refutations of that prospect. however I remain haunted by the certainty and the general sobriety of the particular activists in question. Furthermore I’ve witnessed up close that Antifa can only function due to larger “peaceable” crowds allowing them to seamlessly blend back in after acting out.

      Iastly, I know for a fact that several large unaligned organizations have been waiting for the Justice Department to publicly designate Antifa as a terrorist a/o criminal enterprise before publicly condemning them.

      it’s mid-July 2019 already….Sessions is blessedly gone and Barr is at last raiding the Deep State hive, but is it really too much to ask that peaceable public gatherings be protected from commie terror by the Feds? is there any more basic function of govt than public order?

      thanks for reading this far.

    16. Funny thing is none of the folks are running around the southeast. Hmm. That’s called a clue right there. They know their antics will not be tolerated in and around the bible belt. They mostly stick to liberal parts where people have given up their rights to the liberals..

      Let them arm themselves all they want, once shits are fired. Game over!

    17. First off, I personally couldn’t care less if ANTIFA arms themselves. If they do so and start shooting people, it’ll be open season on ANTIFA by the LEOs as they will finally be classified as what they are; a terrorist organization. When civilians shoot armed ANTIFA scum, it’ll be a fast track on “Case Closed” justifiable homicide/self-defense and back to daily life for the folks who shoot them. It’ll be almost like a hunting season with unlimited tags.

        1. They stand closely together also revealing their level of training which obviously does not exist. Grouped tightly wearing labels and face masked will make our job easy. I heard they have to stay close like that due to sharing the same brain.

        2. If antifa wants a “war” there are a lot of people just salivating at the prospect of an armed conflict with these domestic terrorists. This is not good for anyone and should be avoided. If it happens I think antifa will vanish like a fart in the wind.

    18. AntiFA stands for Anti-First Amendment.
      They are fascist.
      They need the 2nd amendment repealed to win.
      Because they know legal gun owners will turn in their guns in democrat buybacks
      And antifa will then receive those same guns from those socialist democrats.
      Thats when the real fascism begins. (Similar to the SA in 1933)
      Using fascism to achieve socialist democrat dismantling of our constitution.

      1. @David, That is just a cover story. The libtards have been saying the opposite of what they mean for decades. For example; American Civil Liberties Union organized by two card carrying communists for the purpose of using our civil rights against us.
        Not to worry though, Antifa has a history of street violence. Evidence of arming themselves is exactly what we want so that government forces get involved and we can “help” restore order.

    19. Walk up my street. In a row or spread out, i do not care. You will all eat dirt. Make sure to wear your black masks so no uninvolved peoples are included.

    20. There is no excuse whatsoever why the federal government has not named this a terrorist organization!! The Democrats are refusing to act because these groups are trying to force a leftist (DEMOCRAT) agenda down our throat.. the Democrats will not even speak of their illegal use of firearms in areas of strict gun control! They even carry of firearms in gun-free areas or school zones ( one was killed by police at a school not long ago).. and yet we hear crickets from Democrats..
      All I can say is the soy boys (and girls) better train very hard.. because one day Patriots are going to say enough is enough.. One thing’s for sure they better know what they’re doing, if they pull a firearm on me..

    21. The reason you would want to buy guns in Mexico and smuggle them into the US is, unlike what the media would have people believe, full autos are available in Mexico but not in the US.

      1. Also, any guns bought in Mexico are effectively untraceable as they are bought “off the books”, seeing as there are no “books” there in the first place.

      2. Going to have to disagree with you on this. If you know anything about guns, it’s not hard at all to actually convert a semi-auto to full auto. On the other hand if you get caught at the border with a full auto weapon by the Border Patrol they will not be just sending you back to Mexico, you’ll be doing hard time in the U.S. prison system.

    22. Most of the pink-haired, pierced, and tattoo-covered idiots we see protesting in the streets are more likely to shoot themselves than anyone else. The fact that they cover their faces and attack and retreat after throwing things at people tells me they would scatter like cockroaches at the first sound of gunfire.

      1. EAM: While your observations may be right, never, ever underestimate your enemies. A much better approach to defense against these Antifa groups would be to first identify who in your A/O belongs/supports them. Then plan accordingly. The shooting has not started yet. When it does, it will be too late to figure out what to do. Stay safe, stay vigilant. Stay prepped.

    23. Wankers. The progressive new left and socialist/communist movements in America have always been white punks on dope. All the way back to the 1970’s these clowns did not have the appropriate discipline and dose of mean to be effective. I remember the Communist Revolutionary Youth Brigade and Spartacus Youth League parading around campus in the 1970’s and they were the same thing. Entitled white punks working out their revolutionary theater as a therapy against their entitlement guilt. I have seen pictures of Antifa groups in Austin “armed” with Ruger 10/22’s and pawn shop cast offs. It looked like the muppet gun club. The reason you do not see more conservatives, veterans and other liberty loving Americans at these events is because they are either at work, in class or in the library. Leftists take comfort in the numbers they put in the streets in university towns but fail to realize this simple truth. They are marshalling up the losers in the great game of life.

      1. @nrr, And SDS, Abby Hoffman, and all the other parlor revolutionaries! I agree, they and this new crop of never-do-wells can not start a lawn mower, much less a socialist class struggle.

    24. Only place antify goes to,is left wing cities like Portland. I think it’s funny as hell, there they are tearing up shit in their own cities, who cares. Just maybe the store owners an people that live will start getting sick of them an start voting the right way.

    25. ANTIFA or any other leftist group have no lawful or moral rites to violate my civil rites as an American citizen. As such I’m free to go about my business with out fear or interface from them. I also have the rite to defend myself against any physical attack by any such groups. If you think you have the idea you can assult me and I’m afraid of you, try it and see what happens. I’m willing to die to keep my liberty, are you willing to die trying to take it. Reality check SCUMBAGS, there are a lot more of us that think exactly the same way. You are vastly out numbered. You believe your own bullshit because the media feeds it back to you so that you do foolish things that sell newspapers. Your to stupid to realize that your what Marx called useful idiots

      1. Nicely put. Percentage wise how many current and ex Green Berets, Navy Seals, Army Rangers, and Special Forces would join a communist organization trying to destroy America compared to those that would eagerly join a group like the proud boys once the civil war started? I bet the numbers are more than just a little bit lopsided. It would be over within 3 months max.

    26. How can you be an anarchist but in favor of a communist GOVERMENT? Anarchist don’t want any government. That’s what the word means. These people are just violent communists. Anarchist believe in the non aggression principle. Not creating a communist society. These people are criminals.

      1. So true. These groups claim to support the First and Second, but oppose capitalism? Those positions are diametrically opposed. When an individual holds strong opinions and ideologies and contradict each other, they are truly unhinged and unpredictable.

      2. “Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals and county commissioners. ”
        – Edward Abbey

    27. SO, more supporters of the Second Amendment…..looks like an opportunity for common ground. Lets be real, how many people are we really talking about here? Antifa is punching WAY above their weight media wise because of the left leaning tendencies of mainstream publications. If there were 10,000 Antifa members (and I think that is very overstated) they dont add up to the number of hunters in Wisconsin! Let them arm up, they can’t do that and support gun control as well. There aren’t enough of them to make a real difference and by the time the get frustrated trying to stuff a magazine in a revolver it will be over.

      1. Austin, you clearly don’t have much knowledge of firearms, do you? Revolvers don’t use magazines, they load bullets individually into a cylinder.

          1. Like a video of a women is saw a couple of months ago. She drove up to the gas station and tried to put gas into an electric car and no it wasn’t a hybrid.

        1. I suspect he was being sarcastic but I guess if we’re going to go down the road to pedantry then, no they don’t actually “load bullets individually into a cylinder”.
          Ideally one loads the cylinder of a revolver with cartridges which have bullets.
          But then I wouldn’t want to be accused of being a “word Nazi” by some easily offended word choice snowflake.

        2. Sorry Antonio, I realize it’s sometimes hard to read intent into the written word, yes I was being tongue in cheek. There are organizations in our country that I believe are an existential threat to our society but I don’t think that Antifa is.

      1. So you stand against fascist organizations like ANTIFA with both your arms then? Cause you certainly don’t appear to be armed with intellect.

        Don’t call yourself an anti fascist unless you oppose all fascism, including those you count as allies. If you support any movement which demands that everyone must be forced to comply with a viewpoint and rationalizes violence to force compliance, you are by definition a fascist.

        1. ‘If you support any movement which demands that everyone must be forced to comply with a viewpoint and rationalizes violence to force compliance, you are by definition a fascist.’
          Nailed it! This exactly what all the comments here echo…who are the real facists? Those blindly following the criminal con man in the White House and his cowardly Republican apologists…people who have been conned will stubbornly deny, deny, deny in the face of facts.

      2. I was once targeted by 5 of you pucks at a Trump rally because I had a MAGA hat on. I’m a retired disabled lawenforcement officer. I simply drew my weapon and was about to fire when these pussies ran away like little bitches screaming that’s assult, that’s attempt murder. They ran into the loving arms of 4 State Troopers and were promptly arrested. You FuckTards are completely wrong in your social and political agenda. Americans have the absolute right to go about their business and support any political views they chose wether you like it or not. You SCUMBAGS claim to be anti fascist while you go around behaving exactly like the NAZI BROWN SHIRTS in 1930s Germany. You don’t seem to understand that just because someone doesn’t share your beliefs you don’t have the right to attack them. Just because Maxine Waters ( Ernst Rohm ) tells you it’s OK don’t make it so. You go rite ahead and try taking up arms against American citizens and see what you get. There are a hell of a lot more of us than there are of you Dickhead. If you want a shooting Civil War you’ll get it. I can promise you you’ll loose.


    28. It makes sense to prepare, given the tyrannical and violent proclivities of the Left. Second Civil War? Yep, it’s coming. The Left believes in “By Any Means Necessary” with all their hearts. What we need to do is start organizing the way they do; it’s the one thing they’re doing that makes sense. The rest of us are too fiercely individualistic for our own good. The militia movements of the 1990’s and the Obama years were like herding cats – patriots need to get serious about organizing and training for domestic unrest!!

      1. The political violence of the left has always been a reaction to far right political violence. It’s all ignorance and stupidity on both sides of the sisle no matter what way you cut it but don’t pretend as the people the left opposes are innocent. Far from it.

        1. I call BS on your statement that “the political violence of the left has always been a reaction n to the far right political violence”. Without the left’s violence, there would not have been the Russian Civil War. Without the left’s violence there would not have been a Franco. Without the left’s violence there would not have been a Hitler. Always the left, (read Communist), initiates the violence, Always. We on the right, just want to work and raise our families silently and with the least amount of stress. The left always fights to destroy the family, the societies morality and structure, one’s religion, one’s very freedom, including speech. Look at our Colleges today. Look at our schools today. Hell, we are even discussing aborting children at the 9th month. One can pick a Gender, even if it doesn’t and never has existed, by just picking some name out of the air. But, can’t do this destruction without breaking a few eggs, huh? Such as removing us from our firearms, removing us from our very language, removing us from practicing our very religion. The left adjusts language, where up is down, war is peace and on and on. Bah!

            1. There would have been no need for a civil war. No Democrats would have meant no more slavery.

          1. @ TexDan
            You just described what the book 1984 details in specific backward terminology. They are following the Hitler and Alinsky programs because they are too dumb to come up with anything new.
            I would like to see them jerk a senior citizen out of a car in a gun friendly area and watch them hit the pavement when that person pulls a gun and defends himself. They wear masks because they want to stay out of the negative lite they would show if they were to show their face. Mommie would be so disappointed in them she might tell them they can’t use her basement anymore. They tend to stay in gun free areas so they can hit people over the head with their bike locks and not get shot. What a bunch of misfits.

        2. Corey, You’ve misstated it.
          The physical violence of the Left has always been their reaction to the political views of the Center and Right. The Right is very rarely violent, the Left frequently is.

    29. “Heavily armed” is not a bunch of guys with rifles, sigh. That would be “lightly armed”. We need to stop using the media’s inaccurate terms. When we use them, we’re just validating the terms, which are usually wrong.

        1. Yep, guns aren’t violent. The person armed with a bat, knife, rock, screwdriver, car, weighted sock, jar of acid, flammable spray, etc; who wants to harm you; however, is. The media knows what they’re doing with their verbal deflection.

      1. And don’t forget the weaponization of the climate and nature that is used against humanity. Air and water are now toxins to the left. Wildlife is scary, daylight harmful, everything we see/touch/hear all harmful etc.

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