Comments By NRA Board Member Tom King, Regarding 80% Lowers

New York State Rifle and Pistol President, and NRA Board member Tom King sets the record straight on 80% lower claim.

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Comments By NRA Board Member Tom King, Regarding 80% Lowers

New York – Ladies and Gentlemen,

There’s been an article written chastising me for supposedly agreeing with NYS Legislators in their bid to ban 80% lower receivers.

That article is wrong. To be clear: I do not support the banning of 80% lowers or any other firearm. Never have. Never will.

The quotes in question came from a thirty-minute Newsday interview that I conducted more than a month ago. Of course, only a couple of sentences were used from that 30 minute conversation.

I referenced a case in New York State where someone was illegally manufacturing, assembling and selling firearms –including full autos. As you know, those are illegal acts. I do not condone anyone intentionally breaking the law as I believe that only helps our opposition.

So, let me set the record straight. I oppose all registration and believe all lawful gun owners have the right to own the firearm of his or her choice whenever and where ever they choose. I believe ours is a country based on common law and the way to challenge laws we consider unconstitutional is in the voting booths and the courts, as we are doing in our U.S. Supreme Court case NYSRPA v. NYC and our Second Circuit Court of Appeals Case NYSRPA v. Beach, Cuomo et.al. We will win the battle!

Tom King

In closing I would like to thank those who gave me the benefit of the doubt and called me for an explanation. I’ve spent twenty years fighting for your rights and I’m not going to throw those years away by kicking the Second Amendment under the bus at this late date.

Thank you for taking the time to read this missive.

Tom King

NYSRPA

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option31

Nothing in this statement refutes the previous article. Its was stated he thought 80% should be serialized and registered – nothing here refuting that

Operator Z
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Operator Z

The law is the Constitution and Natural law, not man made rules.

donfranko
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donfranko

America founded on the principal of rule by LAWS. We make the rules that rule us. That is the idea. We just need to ensure that those LAWS do not over-rule our constitutional rights….

KDude
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KDude

First off, the only reason “full auto’s” are “illegal” is because like for every other violation of our 2nd Amendment major and minuscule, the NRA dropped the ball. If the federal government want’s to regulate machine guns with an illegally funded, unaccountable alphabet agency and then price all but the best funded gangsters from ever legally owning them, that doesn’t mean We The People have to abide it. As far as the NRA, you bunch of self serving lawyers and politicians living the high life off the hard work of member who believe in you ought to get whats coming.… Read more »

warhorse_03826
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warhorse_03826

if someone who was, say…in charge of the ATF…like a guy that lives in a big white house…would tell the ATF to enforce the hyde amendment AS WRITTEN..instead of the nebulous intent of the person who wrote it..the 1986 ban on new class III would evaporate overnight. the hyde amendment simply states that any transfers of full auto weapons are under the jurisdiction of the ATF. which they already were.

Will
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Will

Scum like King is exactly what destroyed the NRA ! In the US it’s perfectly legal for a citizen to build their own firearms. This POS was totally against that and wanted them to be serialized if built. Then this loser claims to be defending our rights for 20 years ? Bullshit !

Ed
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Ed

The activities mentioned above are only illegal because those before us allowed fools like you, Tom King, to control them.

People like Tom King have made us weak and vulnerable. He should, in the very least, be removed from the NRA board if he doesn’t resign. Leftists began a hard line approach to destroy our civil rights recognized under the 2nd Amendment long ago. It’s time to set aside those who think compromise is the way. As far as they are concerned the only compromise is us giving up our rights.

jeff
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jeff

Spoken like a true liberal politician, tell everyone what they want to hear with no regard for the truth.

Xaun Loc
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Xaun Loc

King’s statement supposedly backtracking are nonsense. At no time does he claim to have been misquoted – he claims only that his statements were taken out of context. Sorry, Tom, but those statements stand on their own. You are calling for government registration of individually built firearms, and regulation of non-firearms parts that might one day be built into firearms. You also referred to individual building of firearms as a “criminal enterprise” and called for more infringing laws simply because a few individuals may have violated existing laws. Your comments are completely unacceptable for anyone pretending to support our rights,… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

WHAT HE SAID

Vanns40
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Vanns40

Tom: 8 months ago I asked one simple question (yes or no) and you evaded giving a direct answer by saying: “All my answers are public. I’m not sure what you men(sic)”.

I’ll ask the same question again in the exact same wording: “Do you support the repeal of ALL firearms laws and will you actively work to achieve that end? (NRA certainly hasn’t)”.

This time around try a simple yes or no answer.

ScottMc
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ScottMc

According to Newsday King stated: “self-assembled guns provide a way for competition shooters to make a custom-fitted firearm. Such weapons should have serial numbers and be registered — and any new legislation should consider such a provision,”. I see nothing in King’s statement above that suggests he doesn’t still hold this position with regard to serial numbers. Most schemes of serializing home made firearms involve state government issued serial numbers as the firearms are not being produced by licensed manufacturers. The alternative, after all, would be a whole lot of AR-15s and Glock semi-clones being almost as anonymously numbered 1.… Read more »

Stag
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Stag

“I referenced a case in New York State where someone was illegally manufacturing, assembling and selling firearms –including full autos. As you know, those are illegal acts. I do not condone anyone intentionally breaking the law as I believe that only helps our opposition.”

The laws you claim to have been broken are unconstitutional and therefore null and void. Too bad the NRA sold us out decades ago on that front.

Laddyboy
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Laddyboy

@Stag; Unfortunately these Anti-Constitutional, UNDER THE COLOR OF, law still apply to LEGAL LAW ABIDING American Citizens. We the People, who are awake and aware, understand your comment and MOST Americans agree. However, We the People have to get involved and FORCE, through the voting procedure, the removal of these SO-CALLED laws.

John
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John

“I referenced a case in New York State where someone was illegally manufacturing, assembling and selling firearms –including full autos. As you know, those are illegal acts. I do not condone anyone intentionally breaking the law as I believe that only helps our opposition.” Is that really illegal Tom? If a receiver is not legally considered a firearm, how then can assembling one, semi or full, be illegal acts as you say? Where have you and the NRA, and in all fairness, other groups, (like GOA and FRP), who tout they are 2nd Amendment protectors, yet not one, that’s right… Read more »

moe mensale
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moe mensale

King said someone was illegally building and selling complete firearms, not just the receivers. They would require at least an 07 manufacturers license as well as an 01 dealers license to be legal. And manufacturing new machine guns for civilian use has been illegal since 1986 (FOPA/Hughes Amendment).

Reading comprehension……………….

John
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John

Okay Moe, Congress defined firearm and a receiver is considered a firearm IF the barrel threads to the forward portion.

With respect to an AR15 receiver, the barrel does not thread to the forward portion, as such it appears by definition it is not legally defined as a firearm.

Putting furniture then on a non firearm cannot be considered an illegal act.

Congress can change the definition of firearm to include AR15 style receivers, however to date has chosen not too.

Maybe you studied the same reading comprehension ……… as the ATF.

moe mensale
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moe mensale

John, I understand the definitions of firearm and firearm receiver just fine, thank you. That’s not the point here. ATF has determined, right or wrong, that the AR-15 lower receiver is a firearm for its enforcement purposes. Even if it is contrary to 27 CFR 478.11. That’s the reality we have to live with today because ATF has not been challenged on it by any gun rights organization or any individual. You can consider it unfair, illegal, an infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights, whatever. There’s no way any of us get that lower receiver shipped directly to our home.… Read more »

Will
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Will

@[email protected],there’s only one solution to this problem.,..ABOLISH THE ATF ! They don’t have the brains to determine the difference between a cap pistol and a water gun,much less regulate firearms/lower receivers. The only thing them SOB’s do is infringe on our 2A civil rights and freedoms. ABOLISH THE ATF !

Will
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Will

Plus,keep Canterbury from becoming the head of this tyrannical bunch of scumbags ! I think Trump has gotten that memo about that gungrabbing POS too. ABOLISH THE ATF TODAY !

Finnky
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Finnky

@mm – perhaps your statement is true under some state laws, but federal law allows one to make as many firearms as one wants for personal use. Once made, you may sell them without adding serial numbers, contacting the ATF, or any licenses. The sticky part is demonstrating that they were made for personal use rather than made for sale. Not a lawyer, but understand that making them all different and holding & using them for a period of time before selling is a primary metric. That said, if you made dozens every year, fired only a few dozen rounds… Read more »

Mike
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Mike

I’m a Patron Life member of the NRA and that’s as far as I’ll advance in the organization having seen the graft, lavish salaries, and sell-out policies that are now common in today’s NRA. From the time of our Revolution, it’s always been true that an American has the right to make, use, and own whiskey, food, and weapons. If he sells them commercially, he’s subject to State and sometimes Federal law but there is no prohibition to his making them for his own consumption. Until now. How did we come to a place where we are not at Liberty… Read more »

KCsmith
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KCsmith

Another BoD liar.
Drain the swamp!
The NRA has sold out.
Not another dime!

Good thing there’s GOA and SAF. At least someone is there to fight for the 2A rather than just Negotiating Rights Away in order to line their pockets. Never thought I’d see the NRA is the state it’s in today. You people should be ashamed of yourselves for what you’ve done, using the position you’re in only for personal gain and profit. Pathetic.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Mr. King “believe all lawful gun owners have the right to own the firearm of his or her choice whenever and where ever they choose”, except for … those he believes are not allowed, such as those building automatic weapons. I would like him to explain where in the 2A that is illegal? He didn’t only just start “kicking the Second Amendment under the bus at this late date”, but began it day one when the NRA agreed with the “assault” weapons ban and continued from that day forward.

Knute
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Knute

“I’m not going to throw those years away by kicking the Second Amendment under the bus ”
Why not? Most of the other NRA board members and people in authority there have. What makes you so much different?
Ohhhh. You say you didn’t! Wow. I’ve never heard that from a guilty party before, Ever. Up until now I thought everybody always told the truth. Welcome to “The Invention of Lying”. Perhaps Ricky Gervais might have a copyright claim though…

Mack
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Mack

David Codrea had a comment – which he UPDATED:

* https://waronguns.blogspot.com/2019/10/and-with-friends-like-these.html

Here is my question, Tom: Did you record the conversation?

If yes, visibly, or in secret? New York is a One-Party Consent state.

If you can prove what you write here, then please do so.

JIAZ
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JIAZ

Wayne LaPierre and his cronies on the BOD see the NRA as “their” thing, not the “members” thing. They’d rather let the whole thing crash and burn than step aside for new leadership.

Will Flatt
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I don’t believe a single word of any fudd cut from the same cloth as Whiny LaPee-yew, who compromises away our 2A rights while raking in big money. Maybe not nearly as much as WLP, but $100k annually is still a hefty chunk of change for a state 2A organization!! And look at how NY is becoming like Commiefornia, especially where gun laws are concerned.

I can’t help but wonder if this King is related to Congressman King who is anti-2A?

Will
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Will

JOIN GOA ! THE ONLY NO-COMPROMISE GUN LOBBY IN WASHINGTON !

KenW
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KenW

Just sent them 20 bucks.

RoyD
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RoyD

For more info on Tom King go to this link to an Ammoland article in January of this year. And read the comments as he answers some questions I had there.
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/interview-nra-board-member-nysrpa-executive-director-tom-king/#axzz63HZep2Uw

PMinFl
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PMinFl

I would like to believe you,Tom, but you’re still an NRA board member. When you condemn Wayne and resign from B o D and then apologize to us for not insisting on a clean sweep of the N R A, then we, the folks who pay your lucrative salary and benefits, will believe you. PM

Will
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Will

@PM,when will King condemn LaPierre ? Never ! The NRA BOD are all complicit in scumbag Lapierres crimes,thieving, and betrayal of members,2A. This King POS is very proud of the NRA’s position on ERPO’s too. A total loser.