United States – -(AmmoLand.com)- If there is one event that tends to bolster anti-Second Amendment extremists, it’s a mass shooting. The media coverage goes wall-to-wall and with it comes the mass outrage from not just reporters, but from anti-Second Amendment extremists across the country. There are major pushes for anti-Second Amendment laws, and those who support freedom are on the defensive.
It’s never a good situation. Even when anti-Second Amendment legislation is fended off, it seems that there are a lot of new supporters for anti-Second Amendment legislation. For instance, it used to be that an Australia-style gun confiscation proposal was unthinkable in America – but then some of those running for president put that front-and-center. Their campaigns fizzled out. In this election, at least. Who can say for sure what will happen in the future?
Here is one simple fact: Mass shootings are a significant strategic vulnerability when it comes to protecting our Second Amendment rights for the reasons mentioned. Therefore, Second Amendment supporters should be working to find ways to prevent them with solutions that are Second Amendment-compliant.
It should not be necessary to say this, but recently, it seems important to do so: Acknowledging this vulnerability and working to address it does not make a Second Amendment supporter a “Fudd.” Such a course of action does not make them an appeaser, either. Claims that this is about “capitulating” to anti-Second Amendment extremists are phonier than Michael Bloomberg’s claims that he has respect for the Second Amendment.
Let’s lay it out clearly: If there is a vulnerability that those who seek to wrongfully deprive us of our rights are going to use, it should be addressed. This is no different than the simple precaution of locking your doors at night. Addressing something that gives anti-Second Amendment extremists an opening to attack our rights is no different than making it harder for someone to break into your home.
So how do we deal with mass shooters? In some cases, these mass shooters have multiple interactions with law enforcement. The person who carried out the 1989 Stockton shooting had a criminal record – including charges of drug dealing and clearly had at least twice been caught with a firearm while apparently being a prohibited person under 18 USC 922(g).
That statute went unused, and this killer, even after being evaluated as a danger to himself and others, was allowed to roam free until he used a modern multi-purpose semi-automatic rifle to gun down five kids, a mass shooting that led to the first state-level semiauto bans in California and New Jersey. Thirty years later, anti-Second Amendment extremists now openly talk about Australia-style gun confiscation. Mass shootings fuel those calls. And now, we have anti-Second Amendment extremists in political office making horrific incidents more likely.
What can be done? While Second Amendment supporters debate the merits of Emergency Response Prevention Orders (aka “red flag” laws), there is also discussion of civil commitment laws, which have been on the books for years. Perhaps there needs to be more use of civil commitment before some of these mass shootings. Second Amendment supporters should be looking to come up with ideas that will not affect our rights – or they will be constantly on the defense.
Many Second Amendment supporters are wise to point out that these horrific events often take place in “gun-free” zones – which become shooting galleries. The Crime Prevention Research Center has plenty of material on that. Or, perhaps, we should leverage the emotional stories of Nikki Goeser and Susanna Gratia Hupp.
Some of these places are “gun-free” by law, others by policy set by property owners. The latter can be the easiest to overturn or they can be the hardest to overturn, especially with the right approach and mindfulness of how we come across. They are easy because they just require a property owner to make a decision to end the “gun-free” zone. That being said, if that property owner has come across poorly thought-out Second Amendment advocacy, then convincing that property owner to change policy will be extremely hard.
The fact is, we take steps to keep ourselves and our homes safe. This includes identifying vulnerabilities and addressing them. If the locks don’t work on the door of our house, we get them fixed. We should be doing the same with our rights. It’s just common sense.
About Harold Hutchison
Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.
The kid that shot up the school in Fla. was interviewed more than once by the F B I and he was a nut case. The staff at that school knew him all too well and they thought he was/is a nut case. The guy in the tower at the U.T. was nuts, he had a brain tumor and he had murdered his mother first. The kid who shot up the grade school is a nut case. He murdered his mother and then went to the school. The one that shot up a movie theater in Co. is a nut… Read more »
Holy moley, this Harold is either a democrat or a real ‘pie-in-the-sky’ type. Hey, Harold, ever hear of the Hegelian Dialectic? THAT is why we have so many mass shootings. Hey, Harold, ever notice there is always a mass shooting when a ‘gun control’ bill is being voted on and the shooter always kills himself? Hegelian Dialectic. Hey, Harold, the communist democrats DEMAND their slaves be disarmed. In Chicongo there were over 4000 shootings in 2018. Only FOUR people were actually prosecuted. Democrats dance in the blood. They could not care less if Americans die. After all, they despise the… Read more »
@tete, be sure to sign the petition and let’s get rid of Little Harold!!
https://chng.it/Sjs8VzLz
I couldn’t care less about mass shootings and neither should you, Harold.
I do care about mass murder. Sadly, you use the weaponized words of our enemy. That is foolish.
Murder is evil; shooting is not.
The fact is, government cannot prevent murder. Government can hold persons convicted of murder accountable for their evil after the fact.
The only way possible to prevent murder is for the person about to be murdered to kill the evil doer.
Please understand this reality and stop Fudding around.
I like that you’ve noticed that Harold uses the exact wordings that the antis always do. THAT is my biggest single piece of evidence that he takes money from bloomburger. The mere fact that he uses their language in their approved way. That implies that he is controlled opposition, at least to anybody that knows what “controlled opposition” even is.
My sense is he is a collaborator. Unwittingly perhaps.
Too often he resembles ‘Mittens’ – and that is not good.
There was a young man who went up on a tower in Texas and started shooting people with several high powered rifles. He had hauled them up there and blocked the door. He murdered several and shot, wounded and maimed more. It was not long before many of those who openly carried rifles in the trucks started shooting back. They were the first responders. They did what needed to be done in the face of a barricaded sniper in an elevated position. They never hit him but they kept his head down so he could not shoot anybody else. Eventually… Read more »
@USA – So what’s the solution? Walk off before ambulances arrive and you could miss critical first aid opportunities – possibly losing lives you just fought to save. Walk off before police interview you and your face will be everywhere identified as person of interest, putting you at risk from any number of homicidal “hero wannabes”. I assume that if police interview you, your name would be included in FOIA releases no matter your preference. Might it be possible to get away with the cops before media sees you – then proactively get judge to seal portion of records containing… Read more »
Right here in the official middle-of-nowhere we had an attempted mass shooter a few years back. Want to know what happened? I say ATTEMPTED mass shooter, because he was headed towards the hospital (all one wing of it…) emergency entrance with a 10/22 with large magazines. He did manage to shoot and kill an EMT named Missy Greenhagen coming out of the ambulance barn as he was moving on the entrance. But then a friend of mine, whom I will call SB since he does not want to be known, who was in the parking lot waiting to pick up… Read more »
I’m going to write this in plain English. Harold Hutchison, you are a lying, treasonous, cowardly slime ball. “Therefore, Second Amendment supporters should be working to find ways to prevent them with solutions that are Second Amendment-compliant.” Ah yes, the usual and expected plea of a fudd crying “We must do something” in the same way the left does. The problem with this approach? It has ZERO connection to reality, and the base sentiment in the quote is a lie in and of itself. There are no “Second Amendment Compliant” solutions because any infringement of the Second Amendment is therefore… Read more »
Harold is like Elizabeth Pocahontas, with a “plan” for everything, always telling others what to do, using lots of words and really saying nothing at all. “They should do this, or this, and be careful of this, and they must .., blah, blah, blah.” Freedom loving Americans don’t need to answer to Democrats and their BS accusations or engage in negotiations with them over how our rights “must” be infringed for our own good. Keep your “wisdom” to yourself and try just objectively reporting news, as in, actions taken by the left, the laws they propose, details of any shootings,… Read more »
@TheRevelator – Certainly there are 2A compliant approaches to reduce and mitigate shootings. For those who complain that I won’t accept solutions which eliminate mass killings I have to say there are none short of total extermination. Many 2A compliant solutions start with hardening targets, often including the low cost inclusion of responsible carriers. However Harold and his ilk most likely would strenuously object to such effective and economic solutions.
@Finnky I think you missed the point I was making with my comment. Any 2A Compliant measure by definition would not attempt to touch or come close to the Second Amendment itself. Per your example Hardening “targets” does not touch the 2nd Amendment, but that is not what Harold is talking about. Harold in speaking of this(Particularly his dismissal of those of us who have successfully argued against ERPO’s for example) in terms of what 2A compromises can be reached. Do not forget that HH has been a long time shill for, and apologist for the many infringements achieved in… Read more »
As paid opposition would. Paid agents, as well as their brainless followers, always push compromise. “the man in the middle is the knave who blanks out the truth in order to pretend that no choice or values exist, who is willing to sit out the course of any battle, willing to cash in on the blood of the innocent or to crawl on his belly to the guilty, who dispenses justice by condemning both the robber and the robbed to jail, who solves conflicts by ordering the thinker and the fool to meet each other halfway. In any compromise between… Read more »
And the pusher doesn’t care
Ohhhh if you live or if you die.
GOD DAMN… the pusher man.
etc.
Saw them live back in the day. Was a good show.
I am not taking responsibility for what others do, Leave my rights alone
I’m also going to point out a simple fact here. It’s ironic that Harold of all people, who has stooged for the NRA and defended every single Anti-Second Amendment infringement they have helped pass, is now bemoaning one of the very infringements the NRA helped with their support in the 1990’s, the Gun Free zone acts. It is also worth noting, I seem to remember at one point Harold defended the “Necessity” of the NRA supporting those measures as “Tactical” and “Strategic” in some of his previous articles. Kinda left wing of him, trying to play both sides of an… Read more »
People need to realize that the government can’t keep you safe and they don’t have to keep your safe. When people take responsibility for their own safety then things fall in to place. Too many people want to be served instead of serving themselves.
that pesky Second Article does squarely place the responsibility for”the security of a free state” squarely upon the shoulders of THE PEOPLE, and THAT is why THE PEOPLE have the right to arms. SINCE that job is ours, we MUST HAVE the apropriate tools to get the job done.
WELL SAID!!!
There should never be ANY RED FLAG GUN CONFISCATION ORDERS in America. They violate not only 2A but the whole Bill Of Rights. The 2A isn’t there to create mass shootings but it is there to help stop them. These future telling you are guilty until you are proven innocent, competent, or not insane laws are unconstitutional and do nothing but disarm innocent Americans. Freedom is dangerous, slavery in the name of Security and safety is the result of the so called good intentions by the state every time! These are evil actions by tyrants. I’ll take dangerous freedom any… Read more »
Good to have the ‘opposition’ point of view, no matter how biased it is. Sorry, though, not buying what you are selling.
Or, we could point to the Secret Service report that was released in July, specifically investigating these incidents, and how they can be addressed. It said, among other things, • Most of the attackers utilized firearms, and half departed the site on their own or committed suicide. • Half were motivated by a grievance related to a domestic situation, workplace, or other personal issue. • Two-thirds had histories of mental health symptoms, including depressive, suicidal, and psychotic symptoms. • Nearly all had at least one significant stressor within the last five years, and over half had indications of financial instability… Read more »
@Arizona – interesting as that list sounds, deeper look may suggest opposite of first reaction. 1) Why wouldn’t you choose a firearm? Why wouldn’t you flee for your life? After all, he who fights and runs away lives” 2) Those motivations seem obvious, what about the other half? 3) Any clue what fraction of our youth have such history? While probably not a majority, I’d guess a big chunk – particularly as we move toward over diagnoses. In any case, no well adjusted sane person would engage in such behavior – so have to say “duh” on this one. 4)… Read more »
“Second Amendment Supporters Need to Address Prevention of Mass Shootings”
Good guys with guns do prevent mass shootings.
@C – Didn’t FBI conclude that legal non-LEO concealed carriers ended or at least 10% of public mass shootings? Of course they ignore any events for which they could not definitively determine the difference or when shooters were deterred before they started… If I’m not mistaken, the 8% was higher than number ended by LEO!
Chinese manufacturers of baby food formula were suspected of spiking their products with white substances, usually harmless but more profitable than real food. The government investigated and found one egregious offender who accidentally poisoned some children. They simply executed him and the problem was eliminated. Fallout was severe because customers purchased the higher priced food from Hong Kong exporters. Point is simple, straight forward facts are ignored by the hysterical ninnies now running the democrat party. One fact is 2018 gun homicides declined seven percent, firearm injuries declined 10 percent, fatal child shootings (under 18) declined 12 percent and unintentional… Read more »
The homicide rate in the early ’90s was an outlier due to the crack epidemic.
The Chinese send cheap ammo to Americans that, if you pour out the powder and burn it, leaves a gritty residue to destroy arms. The Chinese have sold children’s toys with arsenic in the plastic and lead in the paint. Remember when every 7-11 had Chinese ginger drinks in small glass tubes? They had arsenic or lead in them, that is why they are gone. The Chinese send Fentanyl to Mexico to be loaded into capsules to addict or kill Americans.
China is a scourge, plain & simple. China is the enemy of the world.
It is the cartels and their alter egos, the secret societies, that are the problem on Spaceship Earth. These criminal cartels run everything, and destroy everything they touch… and they not only touch, but grab, steal, and put to the torch, EVERYTHING. All other human problems pale in significance. But the secret societies know all about this, and know that they cannot survive in the light. Thus the secrecy. This is a good vid on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k Do you think tetejuan will watch it, or just assume he knows it all even though he’s never even heard of it… Read more »
As soon as I saw that stupid libt0rd title, I knew I was going to see your f03ktard face at the bottom of the article, Harold. The morons that let crazies run loose, self-medicate, and put up gun-free zone signs are the folks that need to address it. Not me, and not 2A supporters. Leftist apologists like YOU and the lazy fools that don’t bother to vote are what we need to address. Why are we still seeing articles written by you? Do you even write them yourself? Or do you just get an “advisory” from your sugar-daddy – Bloomberg… Read more »
Here is the problem: we know that most all mass shooters lean Left, we know they come from broken families, situations of economic strife, or abuse due in large part to Democrat policies, and or prescribe to violent religious beliefs and are imported to America due to democrat policies, that the blame for most mass shootings lays squarely at the feet of progressive liberalism. We also know that mass shootings are the most powerful weapon in the Lefts arsenal against the second amendment. So how are 2A supporters supposed find solution to prevent them when the Left as demonstrated by… Read more »
@Socio, The solution has been found: don’t let the leftists get into the legislatures, the judiciary, or the executive bureaucracy.
And leftists can end mass shootings by voluntarily disarming themselves, while leaving freedom loving Americans alone.
@AZ, Well and truly said.
Solution is immediate death sentence by hanging in village square. Hutchinson, go back to the DNC before someone does something about you.
All we need to do is DUMP Harold. Kindly sign the petition and we can make it happen! https://chng.it/Sjs8VzLz
Don’t think I don’t appreciate all the effort you’re putting into this, but you do know that if he gets dumped here, he’ll just go write somewhere else, yes?
TTAG would love to have him. His attitude is exactly how they’ve been over there ever since Wide Open Media bought out Robert Farago (the founder).
I’m not looking to deprive Little Harold of 1A rights. TFAG is a good place for him to take his quisling act and camp out there. TFAG is a shit site since they were taken over as you pointed out.
They banned me for life when I refused to stop talking about their support for trolls, once it was pointed out by some computer programmer that the nastiest of their trolls looked to have admin access to their system. That week, tfag chased off many of us who had been there since the founding. But it’s their loss. I notice that they have less than half the comments now, compared to what they used to get. Yes, I can still get on, (even though I don’t want to) despite the ban. It just took downloading ToR to do so. One… Read more »
Second Amendment compliant solution to the mass shooting problem? Thought you’d never ask…
Everyone who wants to be armed should be armed. Anytime, anyplace.
Being as I hail from Montana, you know what I’ve noticed? Out here in the west, when virtually EVERYBODY carried a .45 (or 44-40 etc.) on their hip, nobody ever went out to shoot up a saloon or a church. For obvious reasons. No matter how crazy, who would walk into a church full of men with revolvers arraged to be as handy as a firearm can be, and expect to kill everyone and not die himself? Nobody I’ve ever met is THAT crazy, and I’ve met some doozies, including an old lady who argues with her garbage cans. There… Read more »
Saw a fella in the late ’70s or early ’80s in Illinois once yelling at his napkin in a Country Kitchen. The staff said he we a regular and that he was harmless. They said his name was Barry or Barack or some such sort. Wonder what ever became of him . . . . .
I should add, in particularly sensitive places like courthouses, there should be armed security, and a secure place to check your weapons. Any authority that disarms citizens for any reason is morally and legally liable for their safety.
@BUZZ, And so people control creeps back in. That is how it began the first time. Soon everywhere is particularly sensitive and people control everywhere for every purpose … just becomes natural to the politicians’ mind.
WB, agreed. “Particularly sensitive” is in the eye of the beholder, so where would it stop? Maybe it is best that it never start.
I would definitely rather take my chances with everyone armed, than with disarmament.
A government is legitimate only to the extent that it’s citizens are armed.
Not so. In the courthouse example, there is careful individual inspection of every person entering. I’ve seen a small razor blade set off the metal detector. NO ARMS allowed past the entrance checkpoint, and when I arrive armed, I simply so inform them, they escort me straightaway to the secure steel storage cubicles, he stands back as I unlock the box, openit, remove my gun and mags from their places upon my person, place them into the bin, lock it, and I keep the key until I upon departure reverse the process. Since I am confideng NO ONE else is… Read more »
@Tio, You forgot the judge. Many judges carry while on the bench in their courtroom. Its a classic example of “We are valuable, and you peasants are not.”
It is also very easy to have an x-ray machine or metal detector set off a bomb . . . . . so much for “security.”
Let everyone carry and take out the fake security devices.
There is a reason why they call it “political theater” and “security theater”. Because its just a show.
“In all ages the people of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A SHOW and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance.” -Protocol #5, paragraph #8
Even as a former police officer, I have NO problem with good people carrying even in a courtroom. Nutjobs are ALWAYS going to fine a way (or “kill their way in”) to get into absolutely ANY place, so why not have good guys be ABLE to assist in stopping them? Armed, uniformed security are always the first targets of those people, so they aren’t REALLY that effective. Best that the bad guys do not know.
Please sir, spread that message far and wide.
Amen.
And everywhere.
Mass shootings are a confirmation that every day citizens have every right to deliver an equally deadly response.
First off Harold…we don’t have “2nd amendment rights”. Our rights are UNALIENABLE given by birth. They are called natural rights. The CONSTITUTION is a PROHIBITION against the “government” on infringing on those rights. Our RIGHTS are laid out in the FOUNDING DOCUMENT. Do you know which document that is Harold? Just checking..seems you have been badly damaged in the head by the 10th Plank of the Communist manifesto indoctrination centers that you were subjected to in your earlier years. 2nd off…it’s EASY to address mass shootings. What you do is revitalize the MILITIA and when everyone that is in it… Read more »
An armed society is a polite society. Out of the 6 safest states in America, 4 are Constitutional Carry states. The entire country, rather than just the current 17, should be Constitutional Carry. FOID cards and CCW permits are unconstitutional equivalents to poll taxes.
Democrats should be charged as accessories before the fact for willfully disarming Americans and creating a defenseless pool of victims for criminal degenerates.
U S A, What do you mean burn alive? Where? Who?
Arm up, carry on.
Sounds like you guys need some vigilante justice with that kind of insanity going on. Walk in on a ritual and lay waste to the participants.
One doesn’t just “walk in” on Luciferians. They know all about security…
Similar in effect to poll taxes, they ARE Prior Restraints.
Reason 53,872,923 why I am. 24/7/365. Always on my hip in an Alien Gear Cloak Tuck 3.0 or under a coat/work clothes in a Bianchi Model 15. If sleeping or showering, there’s always something within reach.
@CL, Second Amendment civil Rights is just short hand used by those that focus on and write about a narrow selection of the total natural, human, and BOR enshrined, big R, Rights. Don’t get wrapped so tight.
We need to define our terms. I have no 2nd amendment rights. If you actually “believe” that you do, then you err.
@CL, Defining our terms is exactly why a short hand has developed over the years. Every legal brief writer, lecturer, and decision writer requires specificity and exactness of thought.
Well, Harold, this was just too juicy to resist. Harold, how about we torture to death, in the most prolonged and painful way available to man, those who commit these crimes when we can catch them alive? That might slow it down some. And include all who had certain knowledge that it was going to happen. In regards to your second to last paragraph, Harold, how would that prevent another “Mandalay Bay” style shooting? The fact of the matter is that most people don’t live their lives with even a modicum of thought to their personal security. They are like… Read more »
@RoyD – What did “Mandalay Bay” have to do with the article – other than being a motivation for foolish responses by others? Are you suggesting that concert goers with handguns would have been able to return fire in a meaning way – while not causing excessive collateral damage? Personally I’d have no clue how much elevation to add in order to hit the correct window with my 9mm shield – nor would I be able to take the shot with any confidence that I wouldn’t just kill someone in a different room on a different floor. Would be better… Read more »
Finnky, in Harold’s second to last paragraph he writes: “Some of these places are “gun-free” by law, others by policy set by property owners. The latter can be the easiest to overturn or they can be the hardest to overturn, especially with the right approach and mindfulness of how we come across. They are easy because they just require a property owner to make a decision to end the “gun-free” zone. That being said, if that property owner has come across poorly thought out Second Amendment advocacy, then convincing that property owner to change policy will be extremely hard.” The… Read more »
@RoyD – totally agree. Given option of “not guilty by reason of insanity” – have wondered how anyone could ever be convicted of such acts.
Have a few friends capable of making the shot from other side of the concert if they’d been there and had appropriate tools in their vehicle. Kind of considered suggesting running away to retrieve appropriate tools- however I’m convinced that a Good Samaritan returning fire from the parking lot would have incurred unacceptable risk from “friendly” fire.
@Finnky And what did your response to RoyD even have to do with what he wrote? You have had some decent comments previously, but what you just wrote has got to be one of the dumbest utterences bordering on the line of obtuseness without being deliberately disengenuous that I have seen here in a long time. RoyD’s point, in simpler terms, is that nothing that Harold or the left are suggesting will do anything to prevent or eliminate the types of events harold is pointing to. Those intent on doing harm will find a means to do so regardless of… Read more »
@R – Thank you for the gentle response. I expect better of myself and appreciate the assistance.
@Finnky tough love…. You had overstepped with your assessment and condescension towards RoyD’s comment. I had not refreshed the page prior to posting my reply so I did not see he had already replied to you. In any case, make sure you are right before you proceed. Had the role been reversed and RoyD been in the wrong, I’d have called him out for it and pointed out the error. The focus is on what is right, not who. I hope to see many more worthwhile comments from you in the future, and hopefully no more like what you handed… Read more »
Oops – don’t see delete anywhere…
The point was: That gun-free” zones, are NOT, but are actually free fire killing zones, complete with signs informing the crazies that “there are lots of easy victims over here!!”
@RoyD Apparently there are some here who don’t understand Sarcasm, or cant make the connection of your first three sentences to laws against murder, the death penalty, “Aiding and abetting” laws… All of which were supposed to be deterrents “To slow down the rate” of such acts. The realization of your point being “Homō hominī lupus est”, or per english, man is a wolf to man. Most people live their day to day lives being sheep. Oblivious to the reality that there is evil in this world, foolishly lauding ideas of “Safety”. Then there are those who are like wolves… Read more »
So we are accepting what the anti freedom authoritarians idea guns are the problem along with gun owners? I agree we need a response but using their argument gives them un necessary credibility. Nearly every one of these mass murderers has mental health issues, nearly all are on a psychotropic mind altering drug. Many have been bullied or are outcasts in government run school. These are all failures that go straight back to government – the very people some want to fix the problem. How many years have we had these anti bullying campaigns? They are a recent phenomenon as… Read more »
I’d rather the answer start with us. We are certainly the largest authority on firearms, and our membership is comprised of experts in mental health, first responders, etc. We have the expertise to do this. Let the NRA or GOA form a task force to come out with recommendations. We may see some like, “If you create a gun-free zone, then you assume liability for the security of those you bring inside it”, and yes, with the reform of mental health institutions in the 70’s it is now much more difficult to get someone committed unless they are literally standing… Read more »
@Well Reasoned
Heck no to NRA involvement as long as Lapierre and crew are still clinging to power. They have already done enough work screwing us over, and compromising with the left(Including bringing us Gun Free Zones).
I (and I’m sure the majority of my fellow GOA members) do not want to see the GOA anywhere close to any NRA corruption. Fix the NRA first and get rid of Wayne and crew, then we can talk about Bilateral action.
dancar: Thank the A C L U for the closing of many of those Institutions with all of their calls for rights in those Institutions, so now it takes an act of G O D to get someone help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And how haven’t we been discussing these things? It is abundantly clear that gun free zones are only dangerous kill zones unless they are actually made gun free by some sort of physical security. We discuss this each time, and the anti-gunners blow it off like we’re just deflecting.
This is just more of your finger wagging nonsense, with a signature HH plug at the end for a couple of your more ridiculous articles.
Harold, please go away.
Gun free zones are a large part of the problem and may be the easiest to solve, at least politically. We have gun free zones that never experience shootings. Airports, courthouses, police stations seem to be immune from such attacks. Is it because their inhabitants and employees have no enemies? Of course not. In addition to the law, these places usually have a way to screen out violators (gates and metal detectors), and armed guards to enforce compliance and deter noncompliance. All of this costs money, but do we value our children less than our judges? Our airline pilots? No… Read more »
Yes, this. 1000 times this. Airports had a big drug problem before they had adequate security. That problem brought with it some violence. Now airports are extremely safe. Physical security actually does work, and it’s the only way to make any place “gun-free”. Gun-free zones with only policies/laws and signs are really just penned-in-sheep zones. Don’t get me wrong, in most instances we need to simply ensure the good guys will have the same weapons the bad guys will have anyway. That being said, as a parent, if I have to pay my child’s part to set up adequate physical… Read more »
Larry. Give me a suitable piece of plastic that is 1″ x 4″ x 11″ and in 2 hours time I can make a WORKING firearm with no metal parts whatsoever including the ammunition. The point being where there is a will there is a way for evil people to do evil. The answer to the actual problem is not metal detectors, more cops, ban firearms or throwing money at it. When I was a kid it was common to see a rifle or pistol IN SCHOOL and nobody was harmed. You could buy REAL, ACTUAL ASSAULT WEAPONS OF WAR… Read more »
Harold writes: ***Some of these places are “gun-free” by law, others by policy set by property owners. The latter can be the easiest to overturn or they can be the hardest to overturn, especially with the right approach and mindfulness of how we come across. They are easy because they just require a property owner to make a decision to end the “gun-free” zone. That being said, if that property owner has come across poorly thought-out Second Amendment advocacy, then convincing that property owner to change policy will be extremely hard.*** Now, does it occur to Harold that RKBA activists… Read more »
@Mack Apparently someone didn’t like you equating all rights as equal, or deliberately throwing the current common practice of unequal application of law with regards to rights into the public arena. Ultimately here is the issue. Business owners should have their rights respected as well. If they don’t want to bake a cake for someone, it’s their business and they should have that right protected. If a Business owner doesn’t want to let people protect themselves inside their store, well I don’t need to hand them my money the same way anyone who doesn’t like the baker and his stance… Read more »
Well I anticipated that; I was being ironic.
Bear in mind civil rights activists of all types are fierce warriors. The fight hard and are relentless.
As David Codrea observes, many in our community bleat ‘Molon Labe’ and that’s basically it.
We need to fight too.
@Mack There is a sad fact that goes along with that as well, and that is many don’t know how or when to fight. They instead equate violence with “Fighting” and are all too eager to dismiss any act or even violation of the Constitution as a “necessary act of war”. The Constitution cannot be saved by destroying it, and that reality applies to both the numbskulls I just mentioned, and the appeasement/apologists like Harold. Our founders gave us the blueprint and the way to do it. I’ve spent the last few years trying to educate everyone I can around… Read more »
Well I agree education is a large part of it. But will is also essential.
Too many recruits are 4F.
We need 1A activists and a Boot Camp way of educating these recruits to fight.
@Mack I think you missed my point on education. Most of us train with our firearms already. We know how to pull trigger, and many have some field craft being hunters. What we are not is a military force, but that does not mean we cannot or do not know how to fight, and many of our number were military trained anyway. Remember that this country was able to win a war against the strongest Military in the world in large part due to Backwoodsmen shooting their own firearms. Knowing when, and how to fight for the right reason is… Read more »
If there is a gun free zone and people are killed there while keeping potential sheepdogs out, the owner, whether corporation, government, or individual should be be civilly liable. Remember too that the gun grabbers don’t care about logic, tradition, statistics, or common sense, no matter what we do, they WILL inevitably come for all our guns.
Parents aren’t parents anymore. Ps signed the petition to dump this pie eyed commie.
I have been preaching this for 10 years NO ONE LISTENS.
Law abiding citizens don’t take responsibility for the actions of criminals. Period.
@Stripe7 – No we don’t. We do however take precautions for safety of ourselves and loved ones. If that may require making a head shot over our friends in church, then me practice and carry suitable tools – we also work/train with with likeminded acquaintances to arrange for coordinated response if necessary.
See Jack Wilson for further details…
How about taking away the one thing all these nuts crave? Fame, notoriety…. We never had these issues until these unhinged people had the ability to make themselves famous by committing these acts. Most have openly acknowledged that they knew that they would become famous/infamous by shooting a lot of people. They all have something they want everyone to know about and becoming a mass shooter guarantees them a worldwide audience. Take that away and there would be a huge decrease in these acts. Ban the media from sensationalizing these shootings and publicly shame anyone who breaks rank. Make the… Read more »
I like Walter Williams. I also like Frederick Douglass. He was not concerned how he looked when he said this: “This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words… Read more »
Iwill briefly take up two of the recent egregious mass gun murders. Parkland School killing.. the perp =was KNOWN to have committed at least FOUR felony level crimes in the couple years prior to his murders. He was not charged with any of them.. Had he been, the indictment on a felony crime, reported to NICS/FBI, sould have prevented hispurchase of the rifle he used to kill. WHY was he not indicted? Because the school district was working on winning some $Mn54 in prize/grant money by redicing the ARREST RATE of school age persons in that district. The did reduce… Read more »
As long as insurance companies discourage their clients from allowing firearms on their premises by raising rates or just cancelling policies outright, changing business owners’ minds will be next to impossible. What is crucial, and I’m not comfortable with it, is that we must rely on fresh, clear precedents from the high court that forbid most of this nonsense completely. I sincerely doubt that there will ever be enough support to repeal the 2A, or even to modify it; 3/4 of the states will never ratify such a thing. Thank goodness for that, at least. Like it or not, our… Read more »
I keep hoping he will “See the light” and become wise.
@Mack
His track record does suggest otherwise. None of us are holding our breath.
Wont matter how much manure you spread on him, no wisdom is going to sprout in land that barren.
Yes I suppose you are correct.
I saw the comment elsewhere about More Walter Williams; less Harold.
Williams is wise. Refreshing.
See how wise Walter Williams is. If only Harold would (or could) write this way. From Frontpagemag: Virginia’s Second Amendment Attack The people versus abusive government. I am proud of my fellow Virginians’ response to the attack on their Second Amendment rights. Firearm owners in the state have joined with sheriffs to form Second Amendment sanctuary counties. That means local authorities will be required to protect Second Amendment rights in the face of any attempt by Virginia’s General Assembly to abrogate those rights. In an attempt to appease citizen resistance, Northam suggested there would be a ban on only the… Read more »
@Mack
Ok, I’m removing the two negative votes you got for these comments. Apparently there was a retarded, butt hurt ghost voter who couldn’t handle a simple dose of honesty.
Good comments, and excellent way to make your point.
Salvation is nice too.
Virginia really needs THAT in 2020.
The less ‘advice’ “H” offers the better.
He stirs the pot pretty well.
I don’t “read” Harold. I just scan for a mistake he made that is easy to ridicule, and then take note of it. Usually that takes about 2.5 seconds or so… 🙂