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Montana: Fire Code, Powder, and Primers

Montana – -(AmmoLand.com)- We all know that sporting goods stores stock plenty of smokeless powder and small arms primers for ammunition reloading. How that became possible in Montana involves a story.

In 1988, Terry Brady, the owner of Sportsman's Surplus in Missoula, contacted me to say he was having a problem with the local Fire Marshal. Upon inspection of his store, the Fire Marshal informed Terry that the Uniform Fire Code (UFC) prohibited possession on premises of more than about five pounds of smokeless powder (hereafter “powder”) and of more than about 500 small arms primers (hereafter “primers”). Given the array of powders and primers available and needed by customers, those amounts did not allow Sportsman's Surplus to service its customers.

Terry was forced to establish a magazine for powder and primer storage outside city limits. Each time a customer wanted something, not on the shelf (almost every purchase), a store employee would have to make a trip to the magazine to fetch the product. This would take 30 minutes or so for both the employee and the customer. It was not cost-effective for Sportsman's and was frustrating for customers.

I had once taught Fire Science at the university level, so I had some applicable background and knowledge. I dug into the UFC. The Fire Marshal was correct in his reading of the UFC.

The UFC is created and updated by the Western Fire Chiefs Association and is the commonly used fire code west of the Mississippi. It is made available by the Western Fire Chiefs for adoption as a set of fire safety standards by states and local governments for their enforcement. Both Montana and the City of Missoula had adopted the UFC and were enforcing its provisions.

I wrote up the problem to document my approach and went to visit the Missoula Fire Marshal in order to ask if he would make an exception to the UFC for the storage of powder and primers. Absolutely not! He was angry that I'd even ask.

So, I wrote to and went to speak to the Missoula City Council's Public Safety Committee, to ask if they'd be willing to make an exception to their adoption of the UFC specifically and only for powder and primers in sporting goods stores. Absolutely not!

I next wrote to and went to see the State Fire Marshal in Helena, who is given authority under state law for adoption of whatever fire codes are applied. I asked him if he would make an exception in the state fire code for sporting goods stores and powder and primers. Absolutely not! He too was offended that I'd even ask.

By then, 1989 had rolled around and the Montana Legislature was in session. So, I wrote a bill for the Legislature to carve out an exception to and supersede the UFC in Montana concerning sporting goods stores, powder, and primers. I got the bill sponsored, introduced, and I supported it with personal testimony in the public hearings before the House and Senate. I presented copies of my correspondence to and from the Missoula Fire Marshal, the Missoula City Council Public Safety Committee, and the State Fire Marshal, including their abrupt rejections of my pleas for relief.

I showed the legislative committees a video I'd made. I built a campfire and threw a flat of 100 primers into it. Pop, pop, pop and done. Then I threw a can of smokeless powder into the campfire. That fizzed for about 30 seconds and was over. Next, I threw a can of hair spray into the fire. That was impressive. When it blew, it made a fireball the size of a Volkswagen. Finally, I dropped a metal can of white camp stove gas onto the fire – you know, the stuff you may see pallets of on display in stores. That was really impressive. When that can blew, it made a fireball the size of a house.


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The State Fire Marshal vigorously opposed the bill in the Legislature. The chairman of the committee hearing the bill in the House informed the Fire Marshal that I had presented evidence that I had tried to get help from the Fire Marshal and that he'd totally blown me off. The chairman informed the Fire Marshal that the Legislature would not so summarily dismiss my request for help, and was in the mood to solve the problem.

So, the Legislature passed my bill and Governor Stan Stephens signed it. The bill preempted the UFC in this one area of fire code. That fix is now codified in Montana law at 50-61-120 and 121, M.C.A. I'll post the text of the law below. However, it allows a store to have up to 400 pounds of powder and up to 250,000 primers on-premises.

So, the problem was solved.

But, that's not the end of the good news. The Western Fire Chiefs revised the UFC to copy the bill I'd written for the Montana Legislature.

I don't know if they really liked my idea and methodology, or if they feared losing control of the code-making process to rogue legislative actions like my bill. Whatever, they changed the UFC to an exact copy of the new Montana law. Thus, what we did here became effective in nearly all jurisdictions west of the Mississippi.

Plus, that escapade inspired me to found the Montana Shooting Sports Association to be the primary political advocate for Montana gun owners.

When you next visit your local sporting goods store, I hope you will appreciate the plentiful supply of powder and primers on the store's shelves. Now you know, as Paul Harvey would say, the rest of the story. And, you have yet another reason to be a member of MSSA.

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When you next visit your local sporting goods store, I hope you will appreciate the plentiful supply of powder and primers on the store's shelves. ; 20N29 RIFLE POWDER

Current law, as enacted in 1989

50-61-120. Exceeding fire code limits for storage of smokeless powder and small arms primers. (1) A retail establishment may exceed the limits prescribed by an adopted fire or safety code or a local government ordinance or resolution for the storage of smokeless powder and small arms primers if the storage conforms to the provisions contained in 50-61-121.

(2) Nothing in this section may be construed to allow repackaging of smokeless powder from larger to smaller containers on the retail premises.

50-61-121. Restrictions on storage of smokeless powder and small arms primers. (1) A retail establishment may stock up to 400 pounds of smokeless powder on the premises of a building with a sprinkler system or 200 pounds on the premises of a building without a sprinkler system if storage of this stock conforms to the following conditions:

(a) no more than 20 pounds are on display in a customer service area;

(b) the storage area is clearly posted as off limits to customers;

(c) the storage area is clearly posted prohibiting smoking or any open flame or sparks; and

(d) the storage area is a room designed and constructed to restrict smoke travel that is separate from the customer service area, that has a self-closing entrance door, and that conforms to one of the following:

(i) It is constructed of material sufficient to achieve a 1-hour fire resistant-rated barrier between the storage area and the customer service area. The smokeless powder must be stored in cabinets made of wood or equivalent material that is at least 1 inch thick, and each cabinet must contain no more than 200 pounds of smokeless powder. Cabinets must be separated by 25 feet.

(ii) It is protected by a fire suppression sprinkler system approved by the state fire prevention and investigation section of the department of justice or a chief of a governmental fire agency organized under Title 7, chapter 33, or the chief's designee, and the storage area has cabinets as provided for in subsection (1)(d)(i).

(iii) Smokeless powder stock is contained in a cabinet with casters and constructed of wood at least 1 inch thick that is covered on all sides with 5/8-inch sheetrock.

(2) A retail establishment may stock up to 250,000 small arms primers if storage of this stock conforms to the following conditions:

(a) no more than 20,000 primers in a building with a sprinkler system or 10,000 primers in a building without a sprinkler system are on display in a customer service area;

(b) the storage area must conform to the conditions imposed in subsections (1)(a) through (1)(d), except that no more than 125,000 small arms primers may be stored in one cabinet, and the minimum required separation between cabinets is 15 feet; and

(c) small arms primers are retained in packaging approved by the U.S. department of transportation.


Gary Marbut, President
Montana Shooting Sports Association
http://www.mtssa.org
Author, Gun Laws of Montana
http://www.mtpublish.com


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Great story

toomanyhobbies
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As a retired FM with many NFPA certifications UFC is fine however it is up to the AHJ and if you read BOCA and refer to NFPA which are the rules that control state fire codes, section 495 14.2 and 14.3 you will see a lot of room for the AHJ to ignore the UFC “rule”

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SAAMI did a great video in 2012 concerning ammo in fires and ammo in impact situations.
I’ve shown it to several friends who are/were firefighters, and they were amazed. The bottom line is with full turn-out gear, a fire with ammunition involved is no more hazardous than any other structure fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c&feature=youtu.be

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When I was a firefighter in the USAF (1978 – 82,) to include being Chief of the 911 Center with a year’s worth of Arson Investigation under my belt, I had come up with many ideas that would improve things, but always got rebuked with, “Who are you to tell all these professionals how to run their business? Don’t you think they haven’t already thought about that?” Whenever a 911 call would come in regarding the storage of chemicals and or explosives, you had to know each one by name and correct spelling, where you would then refer to it… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@ST…A nephew just retired from USAF firefighter , from Tinker AFB. Made Chief just prior .

Oldvet
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@ST…That nephew now has the corona virus in OKC . Had been doing some consulting work don’t know where or when . Not doing well is all I have been told , he is 50 or 51 .

HikerJohn316
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HikerJohn316

Gary you are a GREAT AMERICAN! How blessed we are to live in a free country that allows laws to be changed by a proper process. You are an inspiration to freedom loving Americans in the gun community and far beyond.

Inidaho
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Inidaho

Paul Harvey…..good ol fellow, from Cascade, MT.

Baldwin
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Facts outweigh feelings….hmmmmm. What a concept!

nrringlee
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nrringlee

And the moral of the story is this: Max Weber and the other early positivists and progressives were wrong about bureaucracy and the administrative state. Bureaucracy serves to perpetuate the power of bureaucracy and nothing more. Logic, popular will, science be damned. Bureaucracy shall prevail in spite of best evidence simply to defend its power over The People. And that, my friends, is were we are. Only exceptionally well focused and motivated efforts to confront the gummint with the facts and a rock solid argument can prevail. Some of the time. Great job to MSSA on this. Reason must rule.

Sam in New Hampshire
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Over the years Gary Marbut’s energy and intelligence have been an inspiration for gun rights advocates around the country. This article is an example of what one person can do if you try hard enough.

Arny
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Arny

So in other words. We have people In Charge making rules & regulations on something they know nothing about. And only till you educated them would they even consider change.

Baldwin
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Baldwin

The lesson here is that those charged with the responsibility of keeping us safe, i. e. fire marshals, refused to be educated. It was necessary to force them to pull their heads out of their azzes.

Wild Bill
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@Baldwin, Term limits on beaucrats.

Wild Bill
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@Arny, term limits on legislators.

Tionico
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cloe, but reread the story. The local Fire PoohBahs were rejecting any attempt at reasoning or being eucated. So Gary went above their heads, one step up the ladder each time. When ALL of them dug in (who is this worthless punk who has no education or training, and CERTAINLY has not slithered up through the ranks of OUR all knowing establishment, to presume to be able to tell us ANYTHING?) Gary went to the top.. the state legislators who overrule all of them, and up until that point, had no idea it was an issue. Gary’s tactic to educate… Read more »

RoyD
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Well, there are rules and then there are suggestions. One store, long out of business after the owner died, had anywhere between 500 to 600 pounds of powder on the shelves in the aisles of the store with plenty more in the back. The primers were on shelves behind the counter with God knows how many in back. The place I buy powder and primers from, and have for thirty years, has most everything in the back as it is a wholesale outfit that also sells retail amounts. Their amounts are in the thousands of pounds and millions of primers.… Read more »