VA Dems Pushing “Compromise” Gun and Magazine Ban that Infringes Rights

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Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam 

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- The latest “Assault Weapons” scam from Gov. Northam and Delegate Levine does nothing to change GOA’s firm opposition to HB 961. Gun confiscation is still the goal.

The House “substitute” to be considered by the House of Delegates today and tomorrow allows ownership of specific firearms prior to July 1, 2020, but no one can buy, sell, transfer, manufacture — or possibly, even repair — after that date. This treats Virginians unequally, even as the US Constitution requires “equal treatment” under the law.

The bill and substitute amendment are incredibly poorly drafted — perhaps by design. So while you can keep your firearm which will be illegal to buy and sell after July 1, 2020, it appears that you could become a Class 6 felon with five-year prison terms if you try to buy any part to repair your firearm! Guns that cannot be repaired are basically worthless. So, back-door (can’t repair) and front-door (can’t buy or sell) would accomplish their confiscation goals.

The geniuses who cooked up this horrendous “compromise” see nothing wrong with putting us firearms owners, who have not done anything, in jail for five years, simply for repairing, gifting, loaning or transferring any one of the at least 150+ guns that fall into the Bloomberg-Northam-Levine banned gun categories. What gives them the authority to re-write the Second Amendment?

GOA estimates that HB 961 will outlaw all future purchases of at least 157 types of semi-automatic rifles for Virginians. That figure comes from the failed 2013 version of U.S. Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) federal Assault Weapons ban. Her list covered at least 95% of all modern, semi-automatic sporting rifles. The Levine bill will outlaw at least that many if not more firearms.

Virginia does not presently have a magazine size limit, so the Governor and Levine want 12+ round magazines banned with violations a Class 6 felony mandating five years in prison. After the law goes into effect, every 12+ round magazine and every common gun accessory will be illegal to own with the same 5-year jail penalty. This so called “compromise” offers nothing and is very arbitrary. GOA is opposed to any limits on magazine size.

Furthermore, none of the huge number of banned firearms can be manufactured in Virginia, unless made for purchase by the military or the police. How will the 100+ shooting ranges in Virginia be impacted? Will they be able to stay in business if the manufacture of repair parts for guns loaned or rented to patrons becomes “illegal?” Will range owners also serve five years in jail for trying to repair a firearm or “loaning” a banned gun to a patron after July 2, 2020? The answer is the bill and substitute amendment are so poorly drafted we don’t know.

Our Blackface, or Klan-clad Governor, is simply decimating our Second Amendment inalienable rights by dictating which guns, which gun accessories, and which repair parts we can and cannot buy to defend ourselves and our family, or hunt, target shoot, compete or even repair a firearm! This bill is outrageous and must be stopped!

How our Governor, Delegate Levine and Michael Bloomberg can call this “commonsense gun control” with a straight face is anyone’s guess. They say they want to control “gun violence” but they will likely be creating more violence by their attempts to disarm law-abiding citizens who will have a harder time minimizing the violence created by criminals who will have guns because they disobey all laws, including gun laws. These gun-grabbing leftist Virginia politicians cannot be trusted.

We’ve had enough of the flat out lies, false and misleading claims, and rhetoric used by elites in power who protect themselves but who want to disarm us! They would love to repeal the Second Amendment! They don’t believe “citizens” should be able to protect themselves.

Please email your delegate (above) to oppose the latest gun confiscation scheme of HB 961.

And since time is short, click here to look up your Delegate’s phone number and tell him or her to vote NO on HB 961.

Each of us needs to do our part to expose this gun heist and defend the rights of every Virginian!


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From state legislatures and city councils to the United States Congress and the White House, GOA represents the views of gun owners whenever their rights are threatened.

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Will Flatt

This is the sort of BS that the NRA would fall for.

tetejaun

As usual, you are an idiot.
Your repeat the lies of SAF and GOA. YOU do the communist democrat’s work.
Moron.

Will Flatt

You have been asked before to back your statements with facts, which I have already done. All you bring are ad hoiminem attacks on other readers who won’t deepthroat Wayne like you do. SAF, FPC & GOA are doing good work, far more than NRA. You have nothing, go home to mommy.

tetejaun

BS.
It is a sorry thing to see Americans fall for the lies of the communist democrats.

Will Flatt

The only ones here falling for lies are you, Little Harold, and a couple other mental muchkins. Go home to mommy.

gregs

again, do not let the leftists change the definition of words. words have meanings and they cannot be changed. from merriam-webster; compromise 1 (a) settlement of differences by arbitration or by consent reached by mutual concessions, or (b) something intermediate between or blending qualities of two different things. leftists are unwilling to compromise, they want to dictate.

challenge their premise, which is usually wrong/inaccurate. a firearm is an inanimate object requiring human interaction to function. it is the person not the object they should be regulating.

Frdmftr

Better yet: It is time to stop arguing with them or attempting to engage them in debate, because by doing so you are admitting they “could” do it and you “could be” held accountable for violating their illegal color of law. The correct answer is simply: “No. Your legislation is null and void for want of subject matter authority prohibited to the State by the State Constitution and by the United States Constitution. Therefore you are prohibited from introducing it and the State is prohibited from enforcing it. There is no argument; your objective is rejected. Any law enforcement officer… Read more »

TheRevelator

This is why I support the GOA.

Calling out and fighting against all restrictions. No Compromise.

tetejaun

OK, NAME some of these ‘no compromise’ things GOA has done.
Name one time a democrat congressman shook in his boots because the GOA was angry at him.
The ONLY thing GOA has fought against was the ‘bump stock toy ban’.
The HALO and Call of Duty wimps must be so proud.

TheRevelator

@tetejaun The GOA’s stance on things that cannot be infringed according to the 2nd Amendment…. 1. Machine guns and all guns are under the protection of the Second Amendment. 2. All Accoutrements and accessories are Covered by the second Amendment. 3. ALL ammunition is Covered by the Second Amendment. 4. The Second Amendment is the defacto permit of ownership and use for all 50 states. Now isn’t it funny that the NRA in the last 100 years has violated each one of those by helping write, implement, and defend infringements against the second amendment. The GOA also backed Dick Heller… Read more »

Frdmftr

“What gives them the authority to re-write the Second Amendment?” Better question: What gives them the authority to ignore Article VI Clause 2, where the U.S. Constitution is designated as the “supreme Law of the Land” and “the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.”? What gives them the authority to perjure and derelict their oaths of office to uphold and defend the Constitutions of the State of Virginia and the United States? And the best question of all: Why aren’t the Republican and pro-gun… Read more »

Heed the Call-up

Or better yet, our own Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia? Article I, Section 13:
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

TheRevelator

@Heed the Call-up
Because Article 6 Section 2 trumps the Virginia Constitution on that front, being that the second Amendment is in the US constitution and therefore is part of the Supreme law of the land.

For that Reason, I’ve been trying to educate others, as you well know, about Article 6 Section 2 for the last couple of years here.

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This is the correct way to deal with the question of the 2nd amendment according to the Constitution. How to Create a Gun-Free America in 5 Easy Steps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4&t=9s

Stone

I was born in the Tidewater area of the Old Dominion State over 12 lustrum ago. I have move and lived in six different states because of work. I will officially retire this June and had though about moving to the Smokey Mountains, but with all this crazy brouhaha kicked up in my birthland am considering staying here in the Bluegrass or moving back to Indiana. That says a lot for how I feel about the erosion of Natural Rights that the Government in Virginia is doing. Would I have to give up my Squirrel Rifle (22LR semi auto)? My… Read more »

Rowboat

@Stone- please stay in Virginia and FIGHT the bastards ! We need every gun we have for the, surly to come, battle that’s already heating up. The Leftist Communists are spoiling for it and, by God, as a native Virginian I intend to give it to them !
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS !!!

StWayne

You, my fellow Patriot, are preaching to the choir. I’ve been saying what you’re saying for a long time now. In fact, I just recently posted that the last thing these tyrants fear is a law abiding, gun toting, citizen! What’s to fear when you’ve already got them obeying “laws” that are by every measurable yardstick, anti-Constitutional? Think about it, and that’s the thing that has to stop. Once you realize that you’re playing right into their hands, the next thing that has to happen is armed revolution. If we had just half the moxie that the people of Hong… Read more »

Rowboat

@StWayne – I see we are getting some down votes ; I didn’t know that Northam read this site ! ‍

StWayne

Yep! It’s monitored. It has its detractors. I NEVER write according to some Facebook wanna be voting system, that’s just plain stupid. Otherwise, you’d only ever say what “they” want you saying ’cause you’re all about dem likes!

Dave in Fairfax

Rowboat and StWayne,
Don’t sweat the down votes, they have NO effect on anything, it’s just a part of the system. At most they just show how active the thread is. NOBODY gets voted off the island because of them.

Knute

But the question is: should they? If someone (hypothetically) was to get a 1K downvotes, if they’re THAT unpopular, shouldn’t they rightly be removed to let the adults talk in peace?

TheRevelator

@Knute Knute Outside of clear rules violations no. Censorship is censorship, and silencing voices just because a mob wants them silenced doesn’t change that. The number of people wishing for it does not change it. Ammoland has taken a stand for following the First amendment, which at a time when other places such as YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter are doing everything they can to violate it so this really sets Ammoland appart. So remember that Liberty comes with frustrations, you may not always feel safe or unoffended, but you have freedom to make your own choices and voice your own… Read more »

TheRevelator

@wjd
Thanks for the downvote. So the first amendment has limits..(Apparently you completely ignored the reference to the site’s rules for commentary exclusion)

So does that mean you feel that just because someone says something you disagree with that their right to free speech gets stripped away?

Sounds very much like the Left’s argument that the Second Amendment gets pushed back just because someone “Feels” scared.

TheRevelator

As an aside for everyone else here….

If you agree with violating the first amendment, please explain the part of the Constitution where it limits free speech based on who is offended?

Part of the reason we fought the revolutionary war was specifically to fight against such practices.

TheRevelator

So no response from @wjd, just more downvotes.

Will, This is why you lose arguments when you don’t have evidence.

If you are willing to violate the Constitution for your own purposes and desires, that is no different than the same actions that the left takes which you yourself have recognized as tyranny. Might doesn’t make right, so stick to the Constitution.

Dave in Fairfax

Will, You have disrespected Rev, and I couldn’t disagree more. He is NOTHING like Tetejuan. He, and a number of the rest of us, are Originalist Constitutionalists. Speech is speech and it ALL is protected. That is a God given right. Whether SCOTUS says something that disagrees with that or not is irrelevant, they don’t get to decide what the Rights mean, just whether the laws agree with the Constitution. They, along with others have forgotten that. We have very specific rules here just because of that. If people can be silenced because their views are unpopular, then we are… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax

Will, I think that it might help if you look over the thread again. Rowboat and StWayne made comments about the voting up and down which I answered. Knute questioned whether people shouldn’t be censored based on popularity which Rev responded to. You countered that popularity should trump free speech. Rev pointed out that outside of the rules of the board, speech is allowed regardless of comfort levels, and asked for constitutional backing on where speech could be silenced. He was down voted and pointed out the hypocrisy of calling out the Left for something that was being suggested here.… Read more »

TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax
“Lots of things make people uncomfortable, but that’s never an excuse for acting unconstitutionally. Principles only matter if they take precedence over comfort.”

You sir deserve gold points for that statement. Hope you don’t mind, but I’d like to save that quote. It bears teaching to future generations.

Dave in Fairfax

Rev, We find ourselves on the same side once again. Somehow, I’m not surprised. Principles are prickly things, but I’d prefer to be comfortable in my own mind, and the only way I know to do that is to stick to them.

TheRevelator

@Dave in Fairfax I’m in full agreement with you there. Theres an old Aaron Tippin song that fits that sentiment perfectly. “Whatever you do today you’ll have to sleep with tonight.” I generally don’t view myself as agreeing with people. I agree with God first, then the Constitution. If others happen to agree with them as well then I will go to bat for them even if it means taking a bullet. I have to laugh seeing my comments get pinged with votes sometimes, because its really nothing more than a reaction made for the sake of ego when people… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax

Rev, Thank you Sir. That about says it. It’s what I aim for.

Will Flatt

I think everyone needs to take a chill pill, know that all speech is free speech, and if it has you butthurt, rub some salve on it and move on.

TheRevelator

@wjd Flatt
LOL. That would come in handy for some people. Wonder if they could use it as hair gel too.

Dave in Fairfax

Will Flatt, you have some great pics, thanks.

Knute

W.F. : My opinion also. ALL speech is protected. Not necessarily on private boards like this one, but as a matter of law.
Personally, I’d leave even the nastiest of insulting troll comments up. The more they devolve into name calling (“morons”, “idiots”, etc.), the more childish they look. I think it is even good for free speech to be abused that way. It makes obvious the ‘thinking’ (or lack thereof…) behind their words.
This is why I like ammoland’s system. It makes it more obvious who the abusers are, but without censure.

TheRevelator

@Knute Knute That’s what Will Flatt and I did to an individual named “noneoftheabove” the other day. We trolled him royally after he went immediately into “Yo mama!” cracks after getting called on hypocrisy. It got funnier the moment we also instantly started ignoring him and taunting what he was trying to say to make it seem like he was winning. He exposed himself as being a hypocrite, violating the very thing he was originally trying to order others to do. Most of his posts did go fairly vile though, so the whole thread ended up getting pulled down except… Read more »

Knute

See, I missed that thread. If they had left it up it should’ve been at least a good laugh. That’s why I’d leave them all up. But I’m not the boss of ammoland, and as you said: “rules is rules”. No foul ball there.

Dave in Fairfax

Knute, Trust me, you didn’t miss anything. It was crude an unimaginative. I’ve seen far more interesting language from a Navy wife.

Knute

Dave: That is typically the way of the troll. But I’d have liked to read the others of you discussing the troll while he spits and sputters. I find THAT to be highly amusing. I’ve been able to do so myself on occasion… and most have been taken down now also.
The final straw that ammoland seems to object to is my habit of asking the troll, after he screams and downvotes for awhile, if he can figure out WHY I’m so easily able to manipulate his emotions. That seems to be the disallowed feature…

TheRevelator

@wjd It seems that anytime someone disagrees with you and has ample proof to back up their claims that all you can do is start calling them an idiot, convoluted, ect, ect….. You rage against them in an attempt to justify your opinion and when pressed with evidence or inconvenient history you go silent. That brings us here, where you are now arguing against the Constitution. Our founders set forth the principle of Minority Rights, not just Majority Rule. It was their belief that those holding unpopular views still have a right to speak and be heard. The Limitations, if… Read more »

TheRevelator

Ok, perhaps too much of a coincidence, but also it may be possible he is referring to someone else entirely. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, but it looks like I am now “He who shall not be named” to @wjd after he left this article.

WILL
@Russn8r,that son of a bitch,like Toto and another I know of just needs to be disregarded. Vermin,just vermin!

Found here
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/02/congressional-candidate-jim-simpson-the-right-choice-for-maryland-gun-owners/#comment-2808095

And with that, I’m off to bed with a chuckle.

@wjd Flatt, You may want to prep a shipment of that salve for immediate delivery to Texas.

Knute

Dave, you’ve got it pegged. It is UNpopular speech that is the most protected. Popular speech doesn’t need protection. Nobody attacks it, because it’s popular. It’s unpopular opinions (like anything with truth in it. And esp. anything that corrects the 1% lie) that need protecting.

Mark 2nd

I agree 100% with you StWayne. I’ve been saying for quite some time to prepare for war. It’s nearly inevitable, whether we want it or not. We aren’t going to vote ourselves out of this one. There are far too many communists and their sycophants entrenched in our nation. They must be purged out by fire and lead. Virginia should serve as an example of how well the communists listen to the will of the people. I’ve always understood the Constitution to be the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, and yet the federal “government” does nothing to reign in the… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax

Stone, In a word, Yes, except for the squirrel rifle unless it has a “Large Capacity Magazine” such as a 25 round 10/22 mag.

452 accept, more than 12 rounds of ammunition. “Large-capacity firearm magazine” does not include (i) a
453 magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot
454 accept more than 12 rounds of ammunition or (ii) an attached tubular device designed to accept and only
455 capable of operating with .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

Finnky

@DiF – Isn’t the question whether it is capable of accepting a “hi-cap” magazine, rather than whether you have one?

Maybe I’m mixing up VA crap with other crap banning guns capable of accepting “hi-cap” mags. Since extended magazines can be made to fit pretty much any firearm accepting removable magazines, that crap basically outlaws all firearms with removable magazines – including single stack pocket pistols.

Dave in Fairfax

Finnky, Yes, that was why I referred to the 25 round mags for the 10/22s. If it has a tube mag it’s OK, as I read the bill. Maybe there are others that have extended mags, but I’m not aware of them. All the 22s with detachable mags, that I’ve seen, have 10 round mags. If it’s LITERALLY capable of accepting any larger mag, than nothing but single shots, fixed mags and tub feeds would be allowed. It’s a lousily written Bill, aside from its other issues of unconstitutionality.

JFCrosby

Blackface and his disgusting cronies are out of control. I hope Virginians remember that next election day. Cry as you may, this would not be happening under a Republican administration. Never, ever vote for a useless Democrat.

SEMPAI

@JFCrosby
And there ya go VA you’ve got no one to blame but yourself, I realize the 45 min drive to the polling station from your spread is Inconvenient but it has to be done.

Heed the Call-up

I vote. My county district had its vote nullified by a small part of the city that is part of it. There are far too many city voters in that small part to be outvoted by county voters. Our pro-rights candidate won handily in the county, but the vote difference was easily overtaken by the city vote. One other thing you fail to understand is that not all firearm owners believe as strongly in our rights as many of us posting here. I regularly attend gun shows as a rep for rights groups. I have spoken with those that identify… Read more »

PMinFl

Heed : I wrote a comment a few weeks ago stating similar thoughts, the 130 million gun owners is comprised of Ruger 10/22 and Marlin 60 owners who only use their “weapons” to chase away those nasty raccoons in the garbage cans. Many gun owners are oblivious to the restrictions proposed against us. They are, like you said, too busy with other things ,soccer practice, PTA meetings,or watching stupid sports figures earn millions to become involved with “gun nuts” trying to save our precious rights. What can we do to wake these well meaning but ill informed folks up? pm

Heed the Call-up

I wish I had the answer. The only answer I have is to do as I do, talk to everyone willing to listen and learn. Be as disengaged from your opinion as possible, so as to not taint the message with your bias. From my experience discussing firearms and their related laws, when the truth is told, and the recipient is receptive, the person sees how ridiculous the laws are; I do not need to tell them that, they get it. I will agree with them, but I will not begin with my opinion. As an example, I was at… Read more »

TheRevelator

This is to address the idiot known by the handle of “tetejaun”, the biggest liar and coward amongst the comment section here on Ammoland. “WE ARE HERE because cowardly Americans kneel and lick the hand of the tyrant. EVERYONE below wants SOMEONE to fight FOR them. Just not them.” ~ His statement from last night. Tetejaun is more than happy to kneel and kiss the feet of tyrants, as long as they are republican tyrants pushing though infringements against our constitution. Since Spring of last year(2019), he has been throwing a temper tantrum because people were not engaging in violence… Read more »

Rowboat

All this online bickering has got to stop! Is it time to “put up or shut up” ? We’re ALL in this boat together and you guys are shooting holes in the bottom. Come July 2 , almost every gun owning Virginian will become a FELON and therefore not be “permitted “ to own or even touch a firearm of ANY configuration! I was at the Lobby Day rally in Richmond with 30 THOUSAND gun toting Patriots, only to have the TYRANTS show us their middle finger and moon us THE VERY NEXT DAY!!!!!! We were respectful and licked their… Read more »

robgc1

I’m resident of Missouri, I was stationed at Fort Eustis for about 8 months, I enjoyed my time in VA, I’m currently a member of GOA, as a resident of MO what can I do to help my fellow gun owners in VA?

Rowboat

@robgc1- membership in GOA is a good start, beyond that, join your local state gun rights organizations and you can subscribe to VCDL newsletters for Virginia. ( VCDL.com ) for updates on what’s happening here in VA. There are other options that are more militant like 3%ers, Militias, etc…and you can get politically active supporting Gun friendly politicians, both in MO and VA. You might also consider running for office, locally, State or National- after all , that idiot AOC got in didn’t she ? As a last bit of advice: Arm up, keep your powder dry and get a… Read more »

tetejaun

WE ARE HERE because cowardly Americans kneel and lick the hand of the tyrant. EVERYONE below wants SOMEONE to fight FOR them. Just not them. You send in your $20 and say “There! I did my part!” You get the communist country you deserve. Since 1888, Americans have knelt to governments. No one to blame except yourselves for what Virginia, California, Oregon, New York, Washington state, etc. are doing. Who is going to stop them? Heck, same of the clowns here ACTUALLY do the communist democrat’s job by attacking pro-gun organizations. It was the NRA that got the 1994 Assault… Read more »

Wild Bill

@wjd, Yeah, I never heard of him running for office to bring honesty back to government.

jack mac

tete: What happened in 1888?

Dave in Fairfax

Jack Mac, A nasty Blizzard, Kodak film, Jack the Ripper, an election that was about tariffs, a bunch of other things, but who knows what he’s referring to.