A Tyrannical Government Cannot Long Contain Or Constrain An Armed Citizenry

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New York – -(AmmoLand.com)- If the American people are well-armed, then they can effectively, successfully resist Governmental attempts to control thought and action; they can effectively resist concerted efforts by tyrants to subjugate them, and they will always resist such efforts. But, if the American people are disarmed, they are defenseless before both two-legged predators and a predatory, tyrannical Government. So, the American people must continue to be well-armed. It is that simple.

Thus, among those Destructive forces—neoliberal Globalist and international Marxist elements—who strive for firm Government control over the citizenry, the Right of the people to keep and bear arms must not be merely constrained, exercise of the Right must be curtailed.

But, because it is immensely difficult to curtail citizen ownership and possession of firearms outright, absent wholesale bloodshed, which is to be avoided, the liberal Progressive Left and Marxists have been forced to undercut the Right of the people to keep and bear arms through a gradual escalating legislative process.

The Federal Government’s assault on the Second Amendment started in earnest almost ninety years ago, with the enactment of the National Firearms Act of 1934. As with all antigun legislation, the pretext for the enactment of the NFA was an attempt to prevent criminal gangs from engaging in shooting rampages with certain classes of weapons, primarily fully automatic weapons and so-called short-barreled shotguns and rifles. The impact this law had on crime reduction was and is negligible. Its greatest and gravest impact was on infringing law-abiding American citizens’ right to possess those firearms.

Apart from actions by several State Americans to continue to enact laws to restrict and constrain the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms, the public was provided with a respite from the enactment of wholesale restrictive Federal firearms legislation for a period of sixty years, when Congress enacted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. That Act contained a subsection titled innocuously, the “Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act” a.k.a. “Assault Weapons Ban,” the latter descriptor of which is more accurate and to the point.

Once again, the public was told that the purpose of an assault weapons Ban was directed to curbing violent crimes committed with a certain category of guns. It did no such thing. It was all a lie, having nothing to do with constraining criminal use of firearms.

All the Act succeeded in doing and was designed to do was to target average, law-abiding Americans, not to reduce violent gun crime. The salient if tacit purpose of the Act was to ban lawful ownership and possession of a wide range of popular semiautomatic weapons in the hands of tens of millions of law-abiding Americans. The Act wasn’t designed to prevent gun crimes. And the banned firearms were not even utilized in the vast majority of gun crimes anyway.

The law was set to expire ten years later, in 2004. It did expire and not surprisingly, it wasn’t renewed. The public wasn’t deceived and demanded access to semiautomatic firearms.

Notwithstanding the expiration of the Assault Weapons Ban, that didn’t stop Anti-Second Amendment forces in Congress to try to enact new laws restricting Americans’ access to semiautomatic firearms. They were relentless in their pursuit to curtail the exercise of the right codified in the Second Amendment. And they continued their effort up to the present time. To date, all such attempts have failed, and that has frustrated the forces that seek to destroy this free Constitutional Republic and its sovereign people. It was therefore left to Anti-Second Amendment State Governments to fill the gap and States like New York and California did so, with relish.

With the neoliberal Globalist Obama in the Oval Office, to be followed by Hillary Clinton, the Destroyers of an independent sovereign United States felt confident that they could gradually tighten the noose around the neck of the American people so that, by the time the citizenry realized they had lost their Nation, along with their Bill of Rights, it would be much too late for them to do anything about it.

But Hillary Clinton didn’t make it into Office. Donald Trump did.

And once the sobering reality of that had sunk in for the neoliberal Globalists and the Marxists, they no longer took for granted that they could work leisurely and quietly to reconfigure the institutions of the Nation; disregard the dictates of or redefine the meaning of the Constitution to suit their goals, and implement their plans for a takeover of the Country incrementally.

The forces that crush entire nations went to work on our own; frenetically, ceaselessly, assiduously, to sabotage Trump’s policy initiatives; engaging in a virulent media campaign of vicious personal attacks on him, on his family, on campaign officials, and on Americans who voted for and who avidly supported him, who had realized the singular importance of the Trump initiatives and policy goals and promises in getting the Nation back on track to regain its historical roots and sensibilities. Yet, all the efforts to dislodge Trump from Office met with abject failure and Trump was successful in realizing many of his goals.

The forces that crush entire nations couldn’t understand Trump’s emotional strength; his resourcefulness, his fortitude; his resilience. The more vociferous and vicious the attacks became, the more implacable did Trump become.

The public saw that Trump’s “America First” domestic and foreign policies actually benefitted the American people, Americans of all races. Trump was primed to win a second term in Office.

The neoliberal Globalists and international Marxists would have not of that. And they pulled out all the stops to prevent that from happening.

So, as a last resort, the enemies of the American people, both within the Republic and outside it, including likely the CCP and the EU Government in Brussels, machinated and conspired to prevent Trump from serving a Second Term. And they succeeded.

Now, with Trump out of the way, and with Bush-era Republicans or otherwise meek Republicans offering no meaningful, substantial resistance to the agenda of Marxist Democrats, those Congressional Democrats are wasting no time consolidating their power over the Country and over the American people, before the 2022 midterm elections.

Democrats’ Ten-Part Program To Consolidate Power And Gain Control Over The Nation And Its Citizens

The Democrats’ program involves, one, systematically corralling the voices of tens of millions of Americans; two indoctrinating the public in the tenets of Collectivism; three, consolidating control over the military and police; four, continuing to create mass upheaval and volatility in society with the assistance of criminal gangs, and Marxist and Anarchist agitators; five, maintaining dossiers on every person residing in the United States; six, inducing fear in the minds of all Americans that Government may designate them as “Domestic Terrorists” and commence to hound and harass them; seven, asserting Government control over the operation of the entire electoral process in order to control the outcome of elections; eight, continuing, indefinitely, an open borders policy, allowing a continuous deluge of illegal alien migrants and murderous drug cartel gangs to invade our Country, thereby further disrupting society; nine, creating the conditions for hyper-inflation to proceed, to reduce the mass of America to abject penury; and, ten, curtailing exercise of the right of the people to keep and bear arms so as to preclude the ability of the American people to revolt successfully against the inception of tyranny.

Concerning the last item of business, expect to see concerted efforts by the Harris-Biden Administration, to implement executive actions, albeit as a “temporary fix” to restrict the possession of semiautomatic weapons. This is being coordinated with efforts by the Democrat-controlled Congress to shoehorn semiautomatic weapons into the NFA, or, perhaps, to enact new stand-alone legislation, or to enact a ban on possession of semiautomatic firearms through obscure means, by placing a gun ban in some larger omnibus bill.

Whatever transpires, the American people should be prepared for a very rocky ride in the months ahead as the economy continues to deteriorate, as social volatility and unrest in society crank up, and as the Second Amendment undergoes an assault in a manner heretofore not seen.


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Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
3 months ago

Go read about Operstion Linebacker II, Christmastime, 1972.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago

Ya right more lies like the prison guard that needs a carry permit. You are full of it. Go back in your hole lord troll.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
3 months ago

Mr. Katz, you have been burning up your quill lately

RK-ARBALEST QUARREL
RK-ARBALEST QUARREL
3 months ago

. . . and many more articles to come, in various stages of completion. Stay tuned. Have to keep the werewolves and harlots and knaves at bay before they overrun the entire Country, pulling the carpet out from under all of us.

jim13a
jim13a
3 months ago

Just like in the old days, only landowners should be able to vote.

Sisu
Sisu
3 months ago
Reply to  jim13a

I agree only those with “skin in the game” should have an opportunity to vote; and I don’t think excluding some is inconsistent with the idea of a “republic”. That said, as alternative to land ownership, I suggest to qualify in any one year to cast a ballot an individual must be: (i) 18 years or older: (ii) financially independent of all others including government subsidies and transfer payments; and (iii) have paid income taxes of no less than 5% of their “gross income (all sources)” in four of the last seven years. … Of course, we need “voter ID”… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  jim13a

So the guy who has paid $8 million life-to-date in federal income taxes and rents a $30 million dollar property can’t vote.

The guy who earns a living by going to Antifa protests and is paid through various channels by Soros and has a shack worth $120,000 on which he has a mortgage of $140,000 – that guy can vote.

Huh.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  jim13a

Illustrative example on hold “Awaiting for approval.”

Arizona
Arizona
3 months ago

Well that is just dumb. Fine them?!? Because they chose to be victims? And where does that money go? To the corrupt government, who will certainly use it in a fiscally responsible manner. Sarc. A former criminal has served their due, or should have, in order to be released. Either their debt is paid, or they should remain in jail. Why should a man or woman who has paid their debt for wrongdoing be denied the right to defend themselves? Do we deny ex-felons the right to worship, or to speak their minds? Once out of jail, they will get… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Arizona

You should listen to what Lord Scarf says, after all he was a prison guard in OreGONE that needs a carry permit in order to carry concealed and he has a BA/BS and his highschool is better and smarter than yours per his claim of credentials.

I think the BS part is really the only qualifications he really has and it doesn’t stand for Bachelor of Science.

From portland, the shit hole of OreGONEIA

Arizona
Arizona
3 months ago

Ammoland desperately needs to add an “ignore” option.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Arizona

LOL.

ExGob
ExGob
3 months ago

The fact that Biden is so ignorant that he believes antigun laws will curb gun violence, should have been enough to keep him from ever getting anywhere near the Homeland Chair. His opinions about anything relative to firearms, and most everything else, are as useless as tits on a boar hog.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  ExGob

Or his hoe, kamalatoe.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago

Can you please confirm or clarify the requirements you believe the government should impose upon Americans? This is my understanding of what you have said so far: Every sane citizen with a clean record must be armed or pay a $200 tax to be unarmed. Is there anything else you believe citizens must do in order to not be fined (in addition to the existing list)? In your proposal, is someone who never worked for the government (in the military) a citizen, or are they merely a civilian? Would mere civilians be required to be armed? Would they even be… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Well, JohnLloydScharf, could you clarify the above items?

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

So said the master twister of twisters and accuser of being guilty of what he projects others are. A true demokkkrat you are lord scarf.
OreGONE happy independence day. May you forever observe it and may antifa and BLM eat shit and live today.

Fly your American flags loud and proud today. Fly your Gadson flag today, kommies hate it. President Trump flags work the best.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Woo – just saw this post.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“I owe you an apology. I always thought that you were a cold, unimaginative, tight-lipped jailer prison guard officer. But you’re really quite emotional, aren’t you?”

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

No worries, Schart. There’s already too much crap in your mouth to put more in.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Can you imgaine walking the earth in a rage for half a century because you were drafted, and instead of being angry at the government, being angry at non-government employees?

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Could Schart be the specimen who inspired the South Park episode where people eat with their ass & crap with their mouth? Imagine the torture his pompous authority-worshiping free associations inflicted on prisoners and now his “women”. Oughta be a Geneva Convention violation. If FBI “HRT” had had him at Waco instead of blasting heavy metal, the poor Davidians would’ve gladly surrendered to make it stop.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Savage.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Thank you.

RJL
RJL
3 months ago

FEAR OF WHAT IS RIGHT! What are you afraid of? I will tell what I fear, the erosion of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights without due process in which the foundations of this country have existed upon for over two centuries. The re-interpretation, and the re-defining of these original documents is a perverted insult to the legal citizens of the United States. Many U.S. Families, including mine, since the inception of these documents have shed their blood to protect these foundations, and continue to do so in the present day. Our forefathers did not arm the American people… Read more »

Chuck
Chuck
3 months ago

The Founders were not in favor of maintaining a Standing Military, for the simple reason they knew that such a Military could be used by a Tyrant or a Tyrannical Government, be it Federal or State against the people. The Founders were right. As recently demonstrated by the threat the current senile occupant of the Oval Office made on Wednesday, June 23rd, 2021 to the American people. I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m more concerned about what we’re facing right now, than whether or not only Veterans should be allowed to Vote. That’s NOT what the Constitution and… Read more »

Ansel Hazen
Ansel Hazen
3 months ago
Reply to  Chuck

Learn what a HANSOB is my friend. For we shall not be taking back this republic at the ballot box.

http://bussjaeger.us/blog/?p=274

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago

Either you need to restate your position so that it is coherent, or expect more down votes. Clean record? What is that?

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Lord Scharff You are the problem my lying X prison guard that needs a carry permit in order to carry a firearm that worked at the capital building when the Kommiefornians came to OreGONE and you let them mess it up along with all your other buddies working in the capital with their BA/BS degrees and now you continue to be a problem on here with your stupid ideas that only people who served should have the right to vote and people imprisoned should loose that right forever which would result in the loss of another 2nd amendment supporter and… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

My position is coherent.” -JL Schart
Oh, well then by all means QED!
LOL

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
3 months ago

So what word in my comment triggered “Awaiting for approval”?
I just recounted some history from 1979 to 1989 involving Russia.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

When you figure it out, please let us all know. Not even Dave knows what does it. I have posted a lot of things with no cuss words, nothing trying to take up arms against our government or anything of the sort. It just sometime happens and when it is on the weekend it usually takes a long time to clear. I don’t like it happening but I can live with it so long as it is cleared as soon as possible. When it takes 4 hours or so sometimes the topic is totally removed from the board because of… Read more »

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

It was finally approved after 24 hours. Read it below.

Ryben Flynn
Ryben Flynn
3 months ago

Slow Joe must not remember that Russia lost the 1979-1989 Soviet-Afghanistan War to a bunch if Mujahideen with small arms. It took a little over 9 years, but Russia was forced to leave Afghanistan.
And Russia had tanks, and attack helicopters and jets and the Muhahideen had AKs, RPGs and IEDs.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Ok maybe it was russia and rpg’s together. You have a lot of trigger words, I think. Maybe it was Muhahideen. I put all this stuff in my response to you to see if I get the same results. If so, I will let you know if it goes pending. If not, it our guess as to what causes the review.
Afghanistan
Soviet-Afghanistan War
Russia

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Ryben Flynn

Awaiting for approval. It worked. Some word or words caused it to trigger.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Maybe we should use each word in a sentence and post them separately to find which one it is.
Mujahideen wants to take over the world.

Roland T. Gunner
Roland T. Gunner
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Al Qaida in D.C.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

There it is. Made a sentence with the M word and it triggered. This will prove that is the word if this one posts and the others with it didn’t..

Yep, figured it out.

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2WarAbnVet
2WarAbnVet
3 months ago

Perhaps, had “Pedo Joe” gone to Viet Nam instead of receiving multiple deferments he would have some idea what people without fighter jets or nuclear weapons could accomplish.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

My dad wasn’t the sharpest pencil in the box but he did have little sayings that made sense and some are coming true today.

One of the things he used to say was “if you gave every person in China a gun they could take over Europe without a problem”. He was a WWII Korean vet.

I think NAFTA is that gun.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

Fuck that and everyone who holds that view.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

there is not enough need in the military to allow everyone to serve. There are also many who could not because of medical and other reasons.
Today’s mlitary is so twisted and misfocussed it is better that fewer get processed and programmed through it. Take a look at the stupid “new” indoctrination programmes being made mandatory for every memeber of the military. It is far better we DO NOT have to many forced into that big indoctrination camp.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

Yes, and even a general on tv showed support for it the other day but his explanation of why it was needed and warranted made as much sense as Chipman’s definition for what an assault weapon is.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  Tionico

And today the military has risked their lives for WHO’S RIGHTS??????

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APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

More “wisdom’ from the petty tyrant. I suspect you watched a movie based on Heinlein’s works, midwits don’t generally read books. Your version of a free society. LOL!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

I agree.

We don’t need any more politicians like John McCain, John Kerry, Richard Blumenthal, etc., etc.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Amen

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

Which of Heinlein’s works do you refer to?

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

The difference with being forced and coerced is how they deal with us. You are right…we are all slaves to a system that is utilized by the plantation owners to keep the slaves under their thumbs.

APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

Read before I was born? This you could not possibly know, yet you state it as fact. I reiterate: freedom and liberty are repugnant to you! Get a blog…

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

That’s ok, the other day he was able to read peoples minds and predict what they were going to do.
He is an ass a jackass who thinks he knows everything and is smarter than everyone. to bad he is an oregoneian.

From the shit hole of Oregone, portland.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

I read Heinlien in the 1960s and didn’t confuse sci-fi with the real world. He wrote ONE SCI-FI book about having to ‘serve’ to vote, out of about 100 sci-fi books. He also wrote a story about how all the roads would eventually move like the moving walkways at the airport. Did you buy into that too?

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

So, you are accused of rape. Her best girlfriend that hates you too stands up in court and says yes I saw him do it. You are convicted, thrown in jail do your sentence and get out and then you no longer have the privileges of a standard citizen. That’s in argument with what you said the other day when you were supposedly a cop in a prison that needed a concealed carry permit. Who was constantly in touch with officials at the capitol in OreGONE! Now will all know who is really the leg humper here, it’s you and… Read more »

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RoyD
RoyD
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

What scares me is that there might be an outside chance that, when I get older, I might spew thoughts like you do. No, really, that is a small concern of mine.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

You might realize it isn’t a small concern.

RoyD
RoyD
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

People tend to minimize the negative aspects of life. Even I will do it every now and then.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  RoyD

Maybe a test is in order. Dizzy or Carmen?

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

Fighter jets need to have pilots. Pilots live on earth. Pilots can be killed while living on earth. Thus no one to pilot fighter jets. Nuclear weapon statement from Chairman Xiden is another one of his brainless statements. How would you use nuclear weapons on 100 militia men who are utilizing 4th generation warfare against their opponents? Nuke the state? Xiden is a jerk. Typical psychopathic control freak freak.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Hey moron. Fighter jets do have pilots. Drones don’t.

From the shit hole of oreGONE, portland.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

Read the Constitution. (It really isn’t that long or hard to understand!) There is a provision in there that does away with a STANDING MILITARY for a reason. Any idea what the REASON IS? It is because standing militaries in every instance in history get used against the citizens. For instance…who went to DC to “protect” the slime psychopathic control freaks? THE STANDING MILITARY which the GUARD is part of. The founding fathers set up a CITIZEN defense force called the MILITIA being NECESSARY for the SECURITY of a FREE state.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

You are talking to yourself troll. You made a comment to yourself.. Get a life and re educate your sick self Mr. holier than thou smarter than thee idiot.

from an ORGONEIAN.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  2WarAbnVet

Service THIS, Schart.

Buster
Buster
3 months ago

“Democrats’ Ten-Part Program”
May I suggest a “One-Part Program” administered to anyone who wishes to subvert our God-given freedoms: One shot – one kill.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Buster

Resurrect the death penalty and make room for more new prisoners that deserve a sentence and another chance. They are letting criminals out so they can put women in prison for protesting on the capital on the 6th and let the criminals walk. Turn it around. Make penalties more severe so less crime is committed and more criminals are gone from the planet and my pocket book. Less jailers, cops and other enforcers too saving us even more money.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

There is a reason the late George Gordon called it the “Law enforcement growth industry”.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Only when demonrats like you are in charge.

from the shit hole of oreGONE, portland.

Buster
Buster
3 months ago
Reply to  Buster

I’m not all talk. I think you be the first to show up at my house and put me against the wall – for “public safety”.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Buster

You are so arrogant and obviously a trouble maker. You need to get off this site and go rub elbows with your jailer buddies at the donut shop and go to face crack and tweaker where you belong. Oh, they already kicked you off of there and that is why we are having to listen to your drivel? Get off his leg troll. From portland, the shit hole of oreGONE because when people like Lord Scarf where in charge they let kommiefornians come in and mess it up because they were smarter than the stupid born and raised orgoneian whos… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Why would you want him to leave? His self-imposed hermit lifestyle has allowed him to focus on designing the ultimate society. Right now, society generally views people as individuals: A certain percentage of military veterans are good people. A certain percentage of LEOs are good people. A certain percentage of executives are good people. A certain percentage of dentists are good people. And so on. He’s turned that on its head. Rights (such as voting) and opportunities (such as pursuing public office) are only conferred to people (all people, good and bad) who worked in the military. It’s fascinating and… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Why are you sure that I assume that everyone who disagrees with me is a Democrat? That’s not true. I never called you a Democrat, I called you a loon. How did you conclude I want to impose an “ultimate society” on anyone? That’s not true. Regarding your proposal, if it’s not the “ultimate society,” how would you describe it – a “militaristic society that’s better than the current model?” You indicated that only people who “served” should be able to vote and only people who “served” should be able to hold public office. A certain percentage of people in… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

As one of the real men of genius, you have an obligation to answer the above questions and the questions in the other post.

Someone wih your intellect, education, and insights should not hold the details inside and tease mankind with mere glimpses of the right way forward.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

There you go. You made the troll comment, he is done with you because in his opinion you are not as intelligent as he because you disagree therefore you have no concept of what is truly going on, and on and on with his diatribe of BS degree.

From portland, the shit hole of OreGONE

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

I’d like to understand his position. He’s not alone in his opinion that only people who have “served” should vote. I’d like to understand the mechanics of it. As I asked in the other post, should a person who was a human resources clerk in the Coast Guard for a year and then never worked again be allowed to vote in his mind? What if that person was out on maternity leave for 6 months of the year of being on the DOD payroll – does it still count? Should that HR clerk be able to run for public office… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ok, I get it. You want to get to know the other side and figure out why they think like they do. Let me give you a start. Think without using common sense and then you will be headed in the right direction. I am sure I could answer a lot of your questions for him and get most of them right but it would be more fun if you keep swatting the mouse so I will watch. You have a great rest of your evening. The snow pack should be gone and you should be able to get farther… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

All the nearby trails are open and it’s been great almost every day. Upside of the drought.

The higher stuff (over 10,000′) that is a bit further away still has some snow. They will probably be open in another couple weeks.

Flyfishing has been great as well.

It’s been in the 50s in the morning and 70s/80s in the afternoon.

Life is good.

Why can’t we all just get along?

Hope all is well with you.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You are the head troll.
From portland the shit hole of OREGONE that you helped make! Said by a true ORGONEIAN.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You can have him. I am done with the troll just like his cohort Dee. from portland the true shit hole that messes up all the rest of OreGONE. Move here bring your drugs, the demonkkkrats made it legal and the shit stain brown is prould of it. I am sure Lord Scarf is disappointed because that means less busts, less criminals in jail and less job security for his prison guard buddies that will help support his pension and getting raises instead of taking benefits away.. Ya, you’re right. if you fit his definition of what is the correct… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Gotta violate the Geneva convention forcing women to humor a boring pill like you. Some meek mousy stupid yes-women will put up with anything for security or money. One can only imagine…
“Yes, your Assholiness!”
“Immediately, Lord Schart!”

Reminds me of Col Curtz: The Horror! The Horror!

Arizona
Arizona
3 months ago
Reply to  Buster

No he wouldn’t show up at your house. He is all talk. All arrogant, self-entitled and self-important talk.

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Arizona

You read him the same way that I do and probably the rest of the board member’s.

from portland, the shit hole of OreGONE

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  Buster

No “law” should exist for a crime unless there is a victim involved. If you are willing to cage or kill me for keeping the fruits of my labor, YOU are the criminal, not me. If you are willing to cage or kill me enforcing a law telling me that I cannot smoke, eat or drink what I want, YOU are the criminal not me. If you are willing to cage me or kill me while enforcing a law that says that I can’t own a certain type of gun or because I decide to put a AR pistol to my shoulder,… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

Lord Scharff You are the problem my lying X prison guard that needs a carry permit in order to carry a firearm that worked at the capital building when the Kommiefornians came to OreGONE and you let them mess it up along with all your other buddies working in the capital with their BA/BS degrees and now you continue to be a problem on here with your stupid ideas that only people who served should have the right to vote and people imprisoned should loose that right forever which would result in the loss of another 2nd amendment supporter and… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

I never threatened your life troll. I think you have so many people giving you crap on so many places that you are getting me confused with someone else. In addition you respond to your own posts, cant keep your stories straight and obviously make shit up because as a prison guard you should have your badge, your documentation and it should be on file where if there were ever a problem they could call the prison or the department of personnel and confirm who you are.. That shows that there is something wrong. In addition to you everyone eventually… Read more »

APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Given his response to my comment , it is obvious he exists in a different reality than the one I occupy…

john
john
3 months ago

Good Morning During Trump’s time as president we saw no mass shootings now they are back daily in the media. The democrats committed election fraud to gain control as nothing they did could remove Trump from office during his term.The rhinos were in on the plan and they never wanted Trump to become President. The fact is they never had a candidate that could win after Mr Bush. The republicans are in with the globalist for a one party government in the United States democrats have infiltrated their party we all know their names. The weakness is not the American… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  john

There were over 5 dozen “mass shootings” during Trump’s time in office. “Mass shootings” happen frequently. The media focuses only on the “mass shootings” that fit their narrative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Doug G.
Doug G.
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

JSNMGC, Wiki gets their information from the Gun Violence Archive, which besides being a leftist recording entity, counts any shooting the kills or injures 3 or more people as part of one event. However, the FBI, the better reliable source, has always counted mass shootings as any shooting event that kills 4 or more people. GVA trumps up the number to support the leftist narrative. Their criteria means that even domestic shootings and gang shootings are included in their count. Further, the GVA counts School Shootings as any event where a firearm is discharged, on or near school property. With… Read more »

JH1961
JH1961
3 months ago
Reply to  Doug G.

I refuse to accept Wikipedia as a citable source of information from my students.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JH1961

Now I can say I know one teacher that has his/her head on straight. I hope you support the constitution to it’s fullest intended extent too.
I gave you a thumbs up for that one.

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  JH1961

ABSOLUTELY! I consider it the bastion of BULLSHIT!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Doug G.

That’s why I put “mass shootings” in quotes. It can be whatever anyone wants it to be.

They wait until a white guy with a semi-automatic rifle shoots people and report on it for weeks, then they say how many “mass shootings” there are and then someone says Whites with semiautomatic rifles do almost all the “mass shootings.”

Using their definition of “mass shootings,” it’s common criminals with handguns who do most of the “mass shootings” and they happen regularly.

Country Boy
Country Boy
3 months ago
Reply to  john

Notice the mass shootings happen under dem control. That’s because the FBI and CIA helped dems instigate and orchestrate mass shootings/islamic terorist shootings. Notice the FBI knew about every mass shooter beforehand and did little to nothing to stop it, and in most cases actually helped instigate them.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Country Boy

Most “mass shootings” are the result of the same dysfunctional micro-culture that produces criminals that commit other crimes.

Last night, one of the by-products of that dysfunctional micro-culture did a drive-by on a moped and shot four people in the Park Manor neighborhood on the south side of Chicago.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/6/26/22551555/4-hurt-2-critically-in-park-manor-shooting-gun-violence-crime

Do you think Anderson Cooper will be talking about that “mass shooting” for the next week?

“Mass shootings” happen frequently irrespective of who is president.

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musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

If he does it will be “Mass Shooting” but not that it was gang related.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

What do trucks have to do with the dysfunctional micro-culture in certain neighborhoods on the south and west sides of Chicago?

The culture in those neighborhoods results in young males who grow up with no father in the home, no discipline, no consequences for their actions, and they end up having little impulse control. The crime is no one’s fault but the criminal, but that culture is going to continue pumping-out those criminals until the culture changes.

Whether it’s a criminal on a moped shooting into a crowd or a criminal driving a truck into a crowd makes no difference.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Did you even read what I wrote, you loon?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You brought up the issue that the crimes could have been committed with trucks or bombs. So what? I didn’t imply that firearms were the cause of the crime. The crime rate in those neighborhoods is insane. Each individual crime is the responsibility of the criminal who committed that crime. The reason the crime rate in the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago is 15,000 percent higher than many other areas of the U.S. is because of the dysfunctional micro-culture in that neighborhood. That culture breeds criminals. Other places in the U.S. that have much lower crime rates have distinctly different cultures.… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Boy, you sure missed his point with your response. MASS KILLING should be the point. Running over a football field full of people is way more deadly of an act than most people could do with a firearm before being stopped. Well, unless you’re Steven Paddock with a “bump stock”. (Sarcasm)

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

I never said anything to the contrary.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Country Boy

Your thoughts sound crazy and unfortunately in todays world it is not hard to believe. I look at how many people the clintons had problems with that were going to rat them out and then all of a sudden they commit suiside like shooting themselves in the back, of the head ,jumping through a window out of a high rise building or hanging themselves in jail. I even think that if you are having problems with a politician in an embassy that paying a group of terrorists to go have a peaceful protest and then not sending in a group… Read more »

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 months ago
Reply to  Country Boy

If no one can predict human behavior then why did you do just that. Leg humper Lord Scharf.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  musicman44mag

Yep. I can see it’s going to be another Schartzenfest on this one. Bend over and…GO!

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  john

there was one I remember: The Sutherland Springs Texas church massacre… I belive the death count waas 26. he used an AR pattern rifle because he was able tp purchase one in spite of having at least THREE disabling incidents on his record… felony assault (his wife, putin hospital because he beat her up), felony domestic violence (agaisnthis wife, asme incident) and attenpted murder of his infant son. He was in the Air Force, and Court Martialled, found guilty on all three of these counts, then given a dishoonourable dicscharge, another disabling item in his record. Because two different Air… Read more »

Stag
Stag
3 months ago
Reply to  john

I guess people will never stop simping for the orange infringer.

Jaque
Jaque
3 months ago

THE Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 contained a subsection titled innocuously, the “Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act” a.k.a. “Assault Weapons Ban,” the latter descriptor of which is more accurate and to the point.

RECREATIONAL USE OF FIREARMS FOR SPORTING USE WAS THE QUALIFIER. THE RIFLE MUST HAVE A SPORTING PURPOSE

WELL WE FACE A GROWING THREAT THAT THE NEXT AMERICAN SPORT MAY BE DEFENDING ONES LIBERTIES. AND FOR THAT THE MODERN SPORTING RIFLE IS PERFECT.

Tionico
Tionico
3 months ago
Reply to  Jaque

in Eastern Oregon AR pattern rifles are THE tool of choice for dealing with the crazy overpopulation of sage rats and coyotes. In Flrodia and parts of the dee south, gators are a favourite target for those rifles. Soort AND predator control. In Montana, Idaho, eastern Washington that same tool is the prefered one to pick up when dealing with non-native imported wolves (the Greater Grey, from Mackinak Island) decimating livestock. Feral pig control on Catalina Island is also most often performed with the use of that same rifle. Don’t ttell ME that riflle has no “sporting” use, nor any… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

ALL of them are psychopathic control freaks. Well except for a very small group.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

I agree.

The author of the article attempted to paint a picture that was inconsistent with that bipartisan meeting.

HLB
HLB
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I just watched that complete video. There were parts of it aired that I had seen before, but not all of it. Scalise was about the only one there who got close to supporting the 2nd amendment, but Trump, who touted an inclusive and broad bill, said that to include such a thing a national reciprocity should not be allowed. So he said one thing, and then said another counter thing, which means he was not being honest with the people he was addressing, including me. He was trying to get what he wanted, and include me in the process… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  HLB

You’re welcome. Grassley certainly has changed over the years. During the Senate hearings over Ruby Ridge, he was so shocked at the government overreach, abuse of power, and lying that he indicated serious consideration should be given to eliminating the BATFE. It takes a long time to view them all, but I highly recommend watching those senate hearings. Here is day 1, part 1: https://www.c-span.org/video/?66973-1/ruby-ridge-investigation-day-1-part-1 I don’t agree with the views Randy Weaver held at that time, but if government employees and paid agents of government employees had never approached him to spy on other Americans (and then persecuted him… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Funny how FBI/ATF et ilk see racism as grounds to entrap “white” people who just want to be left alone – and murder their families – but encourage open racism by “people of color” (whatever that means).

Do you have a link to the Wyoming video?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I’ll post it again, but the Wyoming State Senate Judidciary hearing on the bill was hosted on Youtube and every time I post a Youtube video it goes on hold.

I’ll post it below this post, but you may have to wait a couple days for it to be released.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC
Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“moderator” never released the youtube link.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

See post above yours. Rather than re-posting the Youtube link, I linked to a previous Ammoland post that had the link. It’s about two thirds of the way down the page.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Many thanks. Watched it, commented. Made me gag hearing “LEOs” claim to back 2A but call it “anti-LEO” to have accountability if they piss on it. Nearly every gun-grabbing Dem claims to be pro-2A. Sick of hearing it.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You’re welcome. Have a good evening.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You too. I now have 2 replies due to a glitch. But everything I say should be repeated anyway, if I don’t say so myself. God bless courageous Wyoming senators Bouchard & Porter, and damn those who pussed out. Bouchard really got demonized when he challenged Cheney.

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Made me gag hearing “LEOs” claim to back 2A, but accountability if they piss on it is ‘anti-LEO’. Nearly every gun-grabbing Dem claims to be pro-2A. Sick of hearing it.

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  HLB

Pence, Javanka, Scaramucci, Tillerson, Wray, Mattis, Milley, Spencer, Kelly, Barr, Chao, Mnuchin, Haspel, Esper, Nikki Haley, and the 3 derelict “Federalist” Society “justices” who rubber-stamped the Xiden Coup. Did Trump ever really vet anyone?

Sadly, he was too often an incompetent narcissistic babbling doubletalking derelict, disloyal to those who elected him – such as Julian Assange & the “insurrectionists” now rotting in prison whom he could’ve saved with the stroke of a pen but pardoned drug dealers & rappers instead.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

and bank robbers. There are a number of people who post here who say Trump shouldn’t be blamed for advocating for more and more gun control because LaPierre told him to do it. They just choose not to believe that he had numerous advisors, pro gun rights groups, pro gun rights legislators, the Republican party, and his own sons giving him counsel. Once they join the cult, they go to great lengths to apologize for him. It’s a dangerous practice because it encourages the next guy to advocate for never-ending gun control. They will conclude that Trump begged for more… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I donated & volunteered for Trump beginning in 2015. Never again. However, it is partly LaPew’s fault. It’s unrealistic for politicians to be more loyal on 2A than the NRA is. And LaPew’s burgeoning corruption scandal naturally frees up pols to rely on their own instincts & crap RINO advice. But that doesn’t excuse Trump. It’s also partly GOA to blame for pandering to bubble-boy LoLibertarians, refusing to endorse Trump as the lesser of two evils in 2016, as if that wasn’t helping Hillary. Therefore, unlike LaPew, GOA had no seat at the table when Trump was elected. They did… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I voted for him in the general election in 2016 (knowing that he was a life-long gun control proponent). I voted for him again in 2020 (after he flip flopped). He still hasn’t recanted his anti-gun positions from that February 28, 2018 meeting. It is realistic to expect someone who campaigned relentlessly on being pro 2nd Amendment (and who, just before each election, promised to start a 2nd Amendment Coalition group – but didn’t) to not beg for more gun control. He had many sources to give him advice on the issues. He beggged for gun control not because Wayne… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I condemn him for it, I don’t think he started out with strong gun grab instincts or ended with strong 2A ones, but it’s complicated, and LaPew does bear some blame. There is NO doubt LaPew destroyed much of NRA’s power by looting money that should’ve gone to elections, by getting caught, and by walking NRA into the NYAG’s trap. It’s unrealistic to expect pols not to weasel on pro-gun promises under these conditions. Hope, yes. Expect, no. So we keep up the pressure, especially the pressure of elections. Trump was a mixed bag on guns, and not only vastly… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

He pushed for more than just banning bump stocks and encouraging red flag laws: https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill The fact that Wayne is bad and the NRA has been bad for many decades prior to Wayne (and will be bad after Wayne leaves) doesn’t in any way excuse Trump’s anti gun efforts. Trump bears the full blame for his actions. He had vast resources available to him to fully understand both the issue and the degree to which many Americans value their firearm rights. He pandered to white suburban women to get their votes and believed white rural men would vote for him… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The video is overall pretty disgusting. As I said, Trump has lost my support, though not my vote if 2024 is anything like 2016 or 2020. However, the first thing Trump did is trash “gun free” zones, which NO other president has ever done, and it’s contrary to LaPew’s love affair with “gun free” zones. That doesn’t excuse Trump welcoming the gun control (essentially “fix NICS” type bullshit and 21 to buy a handgun) but dismissing Scalise’s suggestion of adding reciprocity. Some how all the gun control was passable but reciprocity wasn’t in a “comprehensive” bill to address massacres. And… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

All Trump has to do to get my vote is to recant everything he said on February 28, 2018 and to indicate he does not support any more gun control. He has never recanted his advocacy for never-ending gun control. He hasn’t recanted his position because people on gun boards say they will continue to vote for him – therefore he sees no reason to be pro 2nd Amendment and lose those suburban white women votes. If he also indicates he supports ending birthright citizenship I will not only vote for him, I will campaign for him. If he does… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Mathematically, not voting for Trump in a general election has the same effect as if Biden got another vote from someone else.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

No it doesn’t.

Person A: votes for Trump
Person B: votes for Biden

Person C: loves freedom and realizes Trump is just another anti-gun Republican.

If person C doesn’t vote at all, the vote is 1 for Trump and 1 for Biden.

If person C writes in a vote for a pro-freedom neighbor nobody has ever heard of, the vote is 1 for Trump and 1 for Biden.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

A simple democracy is mob rule.

All the jailers, baristas, and the like will vote to have the government redistribute the wealth of productive people to them.

No thank you.

BTW, you never answered my question regarding your assertion that only people who have “served” should be allowed to vote. Under your proposal, would a Human Resources clerk who was employed by the Coast Guard for 12 months (and of those 12 months, was out on maternity leave for 6 months) be able to vote her entire life?

I’m curious about the mechanics of your proposal.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I guess someone has to watch the prisoners rape each other – thank you for your service.

Please be more specific regarding who you think should be able to vote.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

That “PERIOD” thing is great. It sounds so authoritative (and it seems to be a favorite among a certain demographic).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“Let’s be clear . . . ” – Barack Obama

That one was always helpful as well. It let me know he was about ready to explain somethting to me so I knew to pay attention.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Schart, you always sound like you’re on your PERIOD – PERIOD!

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Nope: * Person A was going to vote for Trump. * B talks him out of it because “Trump is anti-gun”. * A decides not to vote. Result: Biden gets same number of votes, Trump gets one less. Net equivalent result as if A votes for Trump, but B rounds up C to vote for Biden. Alternatively: * Person A was going to vote for Trump. * B talks him out of it because “Trump is anti-gun”. * A decides to vote L0Libertarian. Result: Biden gets same number of votes, Trump gets one less. Net equivalent result as if A… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Too funny! You start with the presumption that the person was going to vote for Trump and then, by not voting, it’s the same as voting for Biden. Don’t count my vote until it’s cast. If someone votes write-in or third party, it has the same effect as if the person didn’t vote (in today’s environment where write-ins and third party candidates have no chance of winning). If Trump wants more votes from pro 2nd Amendment people, all he has to do is recant the mulitple pro-gun control positions he articulated on 2/28/18. Call your state Republican party officers and… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Bzzz. Same result. The choice is Trump, Xiden, no-one, open-border LoLibertarian, etc. If you don’t vote Trump, you help Biden win. If you just stay home Trump loses a vote he could’ve had. An ‘opportunity vote’, much like the opportunity cost concept in economics. He can’t have your vote & not have it at the same time. Voting Xiden doubles the effect, equal to 2 staying home or 2 voting LoLibertarian instead of Trump. That’s the choice you’ve announced. You voted for him in 16 & 20, now you say you won’t, whoever runs against him, unless he does some… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Idiotic censorship aka “moderation” on the reply.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I listened to the video and read the transcript. What specific gun control did he push besides Fix-NICs/red flag & 21 to buy a handgun? (Both of which I oppose). You make it sound as if he pushed all sorts of gun control. I didn’t see it. I saw his usual babbling and weaseling. But he also trashed “gun free” zones (although he didn’t invite a ban on them in the “comprehensive” bill he welcomed.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Well, he started out with those famous words: “We have to do something . . .” It went downhill from there: “we have to keep the guns out of the hands that pose the threat. And this really includes background checks.” “I know, Senator, you’re working on things. Joe, I know you’re working. I mean, I’m looking at a number of folks around the table. You’re working on different bills. We have to get them done.” “I’m going to essentially write that out. We can do that with an executive order. I’m essentially going to write it out. You won’t… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Put this into your search engine:

Trump recants promotion of gun control on February 28, 2018

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Yep.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Trump told the anti-gun legislators to not be afraid of the NRA.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Yes, I’m aware of that. As I said, the transcript reinforced my decision not to donate or volunteer for Trump again. Still, you seem to focus only on the negative, 100% blame on Trump, but zero % on NRA, whose sponsorship and protection of public & quasi-private “gun free” zones made this & nearly ALL other massacres possible, and whose corruption destroys NRA’s power. You also do not consider that the gun control stuff may have been typical talk. He did ban bump stocks, I don’t like that, but where did the rest of it go? Had it been Pierre… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I hold people accountable for their own actions. Trump: Has an above average IQ; Is well-educated; Has a lot of experience working with politicians; Is savy; and Had vast resources available to him to study one of the most important political topics. He was not under some NRA spell. Not only was Trump to blame for what he said, he actually attempted to undermine the NRA’s efforts (not that I am a fan of the NRA, but they were putting some pressure on some of the anti-gun legislators). Again, all he has to do to get my vote a third… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You seem intensely focused on protecting a sand-castle case for the fixed idea that Trump is a total closet gun grabber waiting to come out, no gray areas allowed or considered. To that end, essentially repeating slightly varied lists of truths mixed with half-truths & heroically stretched interpretations. For example, Trump did NOT give credence to banning “assault” weapons. He was trying to wrap up the meeting when DiFi babbled some shit. Trump basically replied “yeah yeah yeah we’ll look into that”, much like Jack does in the Jack-in-the-Box focus group ad in which a loadie surfer dude suggests burgers… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Right before I listed a lot of positive things about Trump, I wrote this (in its own paragraph so it would stand out):

“Yes, Trump is against many gun free zones.”

He did nothing to counter the BS about “assault weapons.”

He funded the CDC to study gun violence after that meeting.

How many elements of gun control would Trump have to push for you to acknowledge he was pushing multiple elements of gun control?

All he has to do is recant all his anti-2nd Amendment positions and I’ll vote for him again.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Again, why not acknowledge he shined on DiFi’s assault weapons shit because the meeting was already over? Context. Did he push & sign an assault weapon bill? No. Could he have? Yes. As to “pushing multiple areas of gun control”: Other than 21 for a handgun & ~background/red flag he wasn’t pushing other issues, he was rolling for them (betrayal) or humoring them (not so much of betrayal, possibly no betrayal at all depending on intent). I didn’t appreciate Trump’s babbling bullshit about “due process later”. Are you saying he went out of his way to fund CDC after that?… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I guess everyone has their own limits, but this was over-the-top for me: 21 to buy a rifle (and bragged that everyone but him was afraid to push the issue) UBC Fix NICS Funding the CDC (although he didn’t say anything in the meeting, he actually did it) Banning bump stocks Red flag laws/Confiscation without due process Telling anti-gun legislators not to fear the NRA Not correcting anti-gun legislators on the “assault weapsons” lie. The Republicans who position themselves as “pro-gun” have allowed anti-2nd Amendment Republicans and Democrats to control the vocabulary and it has swayed many people in the… Read more »

Stag
Stag
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The sheer mental gymnastics it takes for someone to say you have to vote for a guy who advocates for gun control otherwise you’ll get more gun control is mind boggling.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Stag

If you voted LoLibertarian or stayed home, you helped Xiden win.

Idiotic assumption: Trump backed some gun control, therefore Trump = Xiden.

True Believer L0Libertarian mental midgets do Moral Equivalence, just like leftists & Hajjis.

Last edited 3 months ago by Russn8r
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

On the other hand, maybe Stag would have voted for Trump if Trump had decided to: Just Say No More Gun Control   You know, like he promised. Is it really that hard?   Instead, he: Pushed for raising the age to buy a rifle to 21(and bragged that everyone but him was afraid to push the issue); Supported UBC (and we know that means registration); Supported Fix NICS (which will prohibit millions of Americans from purchasing firearms); Followed the advice of anti-gun legislators to fund the CDC to study “gun violence” (and we already know what their conclusion will… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by JSNMGC
Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I’m aware of all those factors. On the other hand, fact remains, in a general election between Trump & Xiden, stay home or vote LOLibertarian helps Xiden win. And the fact that Trump weaseled on SOME gun control does NOT mean Trump = Xiden, except in some alternate LOLibertarian moral equivalence universe.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

No one said Trump is as bad as Biden with respect to his advocacy and actions on never-ending gun control.

If Trump is “pro 2nd Amendment,” it will be easy for him to either recant or “clarify” his positions on that list and start acting like a pro 2nd Amendment president.

He needs to earn the votes – the problem is Trump, not Stag.

Stag
Stag
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You can vote for Democrats and get gun control or you can vote for Republicans and get gun control. I can count on one hand the number of Republicans in the federal government who actually understand and support the 2A. This “lesser of two evils” excuse for continuing to vote for Republicans no matter what is why the country is where it is today. They know you’ll vote for them no matter what they do because you’re too scared of the other guy winning to actually cast your vote for someone who’s actually pro-2a. Every year our government moves further… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Stag

Apologists are going to encourage more and more capitulation.

Enough aleady. Trump (or whoever) needs to promise no more gun control or we need to promise not to vote for the guy if he doesn’t make that statement.

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Enough reality already! Let’s vote for Xiden if Trump doesn’t apologize! That’ll show him!

Anyone who doesn’t agree is an apologist!

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Either he recants or he loses votes. Trump is the problem, not pro 2nd Amendment activists.

You can’t brow-beat 2nd Amendment activists into voting for an anti 2nd Amendment president because he is less bad than the worst president of all time (Biden – with respect to his 2nd amendment campaign platform).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I didn’t ask him to apologize – I asked him to change his platform. That list is his platform. He bragged about a “beautiful bill” that will have so many great things in it. You and Russn8r are making a mistake – you’re pissing away the only leverage we have. His team reads comments like yours and they are encouraging him to work with the legislators to enact more gun control because the gun nuts (that’s how he views you) will vote for him no matter what. He knows he fell short with white suburban women and, as a group,… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I disagree that Trump has nothing to apologize for. He’s got plenty, including pushing & decreeing some gun control and betraying the “insurrectionists” (pardoning drug dealers, rappers, bank robbers & toadies instead). Will’s right about this: He’d never apologize. He’ll never even discuss what he did. But facing reality doesn’t piss away shit except delusions & empty bluffs. You have no leverage to piss away. You still can’t even admit the basic math that staying home or voting L helps Xiden win, which is why you voted for Trump again last year even after those betrayals. Unless you live in… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by Russn8r
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You’ve said “admit” more than once. I just don’t agree with you. Voting third party, or write-in, in today’s environment has the same effect as not voting. The vote doesn’t help or hurt either of the major candidates. You keep trying to start with the premise that Trump is entitled to my vote. You and Will can go have a conversation about apologizing. It’s not what I’m looking for (I’ve already said that) – I would like Trump to change his platform. If he is pro 2nd Amendment, that should be easy for him to do: recant, “clarify,” slither, .… Read more »

Last edited 3 months ago by JSNMGC
Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Your choice is to vote for Trump or not vote for Trump. If you don’t vote for Trump, it helps Xiden win. Simple as that.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Tell Trump to be pro 2nd Amendment, and I’ll vote for him a third time.

It’s all up to Trump.

Simple as that.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Be my guest. Just don’t make-believe it doesn’t help Xiden win, ceteris paribus.

Last edited 3 months ago by Russn8r
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

So, in 2024: Raise the age to buy a rifle to 21 UBC (and we know that means registration); Fix NICS (which will prohibit millions of Americans from purchasing firearms); and Red flag laws/Confiscation without due process. Then the guy in 2028: Ban semiautomatic rifles All because people refused to demand that GOA go sit down with Trump and tell him gun owners will only vote for him if he goes back to what he originally promised. Just days before the election, he pandered: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2016/11/03/trump-2nd-amendment-coalition/ As soon as he won, he told Junior not to waste his effort on gun… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

P.S. Crybaby downvotes don’t make fairy tales true either.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Not my down vote, friend. When you indicated Trump had a lot to apologize for, you upset a Texan.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will ain’t exactly Will Rogers, is he?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

He was doing fine for a while. If you go back and look at threads from December to April, he threw exclamation points around like they’re free.

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APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome; forcing you to except a binary dilemma. Keep it up and you 2A rights will continue to be eroded.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

BS & GFY. Like Will, you set aside reality in favor of fairy tales.

Fact: In a general election not voting for Trump helps elect Xiden. That’s the trade off, the cost of your decision. Fine by me, but don’t ask rational people to suspend reality to make you feel better about it.

And your crybaby downvotes don’t make fairy tales come true.

Last edited 3 months ago by Russn8r
APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Fact: Your partisan position lost you the last election, and has caused the steady erosion of 2A rights your whole life.

You want everyone to do the same thing over and over, expecting different results. Who is suspending reality? Stockholm Syndrome has left you submissive and obedient.

I did not down vote you…

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

Fascinating. Did you even read the thread?

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Another mindless Trump worshiper speaks!

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Now you’re speaking out of your ass, Will.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You know his comments will all be gone within a couple days, right? When he gets like this you have to quote him.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

See?