United States – -(AmmoLand.com)- While the “single issue” debate can roil Second Amendment supporters, there are two things that should be kept in mind. First, Second Amendment supporters should seek to build as large a coalition as possible to oppose anti-Second Amendment legislation, officials, and candidates. Second, since threats to the Second Amendment have emerged from places they previously haven’t, Second Amendment supporters need to figure out how to address them.
Looking back, it is now quite clear what happened in the wake of the Heller and McDonald decisions: Anti-Second Amendment extremists have made a fundamental change in strategy. They no longer would rely just on legislation to attack our rights as their primary focus. Instead, they would go after the Second Amendment with a two-pronged approach of financial deplatforming and social stigmatization, and Second Amendment supporters are behind the curve.
Financial deplatforming is insidious form of blacklisting, often through the invocation of “reputational risk.” This is being turned into a weapon – notably by former New York governor Andrew Cuomo against the NRA. In addition, it’s already been applied against the Second Amendment in the past via Operation Chokepoint. In addition, the New York Times has already called for banks to carry out the wishes of anti-Second Amendment extremists by targeting the firearms industry.
One of the legislative proposals to counter this is the Freedom Financing Act, which would prohibit such practices. But passage of this law, or anything similar, is not going to happen in the 117th Congress. That is not to say such legislation shouldn’t be pursued at the state level – to at least provide some sanctuary, but that doesn’t address another threat, and that threat is one that many pro-Second Amendment groups failed to properly anticipate and prepare for, even as they scored huge successes on the political, legislative, and legal fronts.
That other threat was social stigmatization. The social stigmatization of the Second Amendment has become a serious threat, and this one has developed largely under our noses. We remember Rosie O’Donnell’s televised haranguing of Tom Selleck, but we brushed it off as Hollywood elites being Hollywood elites. We ceded the pop culture arena to our enemies, and we’re paying the price for it now.
As important as defeating Al Gore, John Kerry, and Hillary Clinton for the White House were, they didn’t address the fact that anti-Second Amendment extremists were using the media and pop culture to carry out Eric Holder’s desired brainwashing of America. The successful passage of concealed carry legislation has proven impotent against Salesforce and other companies that attack the Second Amendment via policies. What good will Heller be if anti-Second Amendment extremists can bully people into not providing the services any business needs to survive to gun dealers – or even to those who openly support the Second Amendment?
There’s no two ways about it: Second Amendment supporters are behind the curve with regards to two long-term threats, and they need to turn things around. Legislation and political efforts are only a band-aid and must be viewed as a way to buy time in order to counter these long-term threats. If Second Amendment supporters fail to do this, then it is only a matter of time before our rights are gone.
About Harold Hutchison
Writer Harold Hutchison has more than a dozen years of experience covering military affairs, international events, U.S. politics and Second Amendment issues. Harold was consulting senior editor at Soldier of Fortune magazine and is the author of the novel Strike Group Reagan. He has also written for the Daily Caller, National Review, Patriot Post, Strategypage.com, and other national websites.
No, Harold, we saw this coming but the fudds aren’t helping. In fact, they hinder the cause.
I like the cartoon! So true. Fire Judas LaPierre. Too bad that he didn’t die when Charlatan Heston did!
Butfudders
And this is why “open carry”, especially of the “constitutional” variety is so criticslly important. To stop the demonization of an armed society and change it’s perception, normalizing it. Where no one blinks an eye at your average Plumber Joe Citizen leaving for work in the morning with his 1911 or his 686 in his over-the-shirt shoulder holster and his slung AR15 or Uzi.
You mention a couple of “pros.” OTOH, there are a few “cons.” If the “bad guy” is not carrying openly, you’ve given him the opportunity to move you way up on his targeting priority and given him the element of surprise that could have been yours. The “sheep” are not going to see you as a protective “sheepdog”. They’ll see you as just another “wolf” and act accordingly. I will point out that open carry is quite common in Israel and seems to work well for them. But every adult Israeli is at least a trained reservist with a high… Read more »
we did have a generation with a high proportion of combat veterans, sadly they are all dying off and their kids are a good percent of the defects running the government too many drugs as teens
The majority of that generation (and the prior generation) voted for legislators who passed gun control bills and presidents who signed the legislation into law.
I open carry most of the time in public. People see me and know it is ok to open carry.
HLB
Harold, the reason ‘Second Amendment Supporters are behind the power curve is simple. Those of us who long ago recognized the threat posed by the Progressive New Left to American culture and the political economy of the West were intentionally ignored by Republican Party organizers who found it far more efficient to fragment that resistance in to issue focused subgroups. Rather than attack the attack holistically these fund raising scams found it more efficient to break the problem down in to Big Baby, Inc following Roe v. Wade, Big Gun following the 1967 NFA, Big Married following the advent of… Read more »
this we already know harold. it has been happening for year, and you should have noticed unless you haven’t been paying attention. legislation would be of some help, but leftists will manufacture ways to get around that, but there is noting you can do to fight against social stigmatization. leftists have the media pushing their narrative and that will not stop. you have to talk to people and show how immoral it is for someone to tell another what, where, when and why they can defend themselves against predators, both four and two legged ones. the fact that tens of… Read more »
need to outlaw armed security , it is all on you take the wheels off their wagon
To whom would you apply that restriction? Volunteer church security groups such as West Freeway Church (Jack Wilson)? Would it be OK. With you if an armed mother protects her babies, after all she’s working security and those children need to be self reliant. if I see risks rising and do not consider myself up to the task and (as is the case) find myself unable to convince other family members to step up – why should I not be allowed to band with neighbors or hire someone to beef up security? A display of overwhelming force is often the… Read more »
I would apply it to all Democrats, since they’re all gun grabbers. Mustn’t let our brothers stumble into hypocrisy.
Commiecrats don’t need to be disarmed as much as they just need a free helicopter ride.
Harold, I have found myself irritsted in the past, no, rubbed raw, by some of your musings, bit this morning? Good article.
If you actually believe that a lobby for your Constitutionally guaranteed rights is required, then you believe that the government has the power to invalidate your rights on any whim. If you believe this, shouldn’t you have long ago picked up a gun and marched on the criminal traitors in the various Capitols, instead of begging for more funding to perpetuate and validate the continuing corruption and treason? No rights lobbying organization has a valid place here in the US. The instant that rights are invalidated, it is the duty of every able-bodied individual to take up arms against the… Read more »
@js – Some would prefer to talk to our “leaders” and remind them of their legal obligations over just starting to shoot over every minor slight. Violence is the first resort of those too incompetent to otherwise achieve anything.
I live in an open carry state, but historically most here have not done so. There are legitimate arguments, both pro and con. Personally, I don’t feel threatened by the sight of someone who carries openly, but the reality is that many do. As more people carry openly, some will get used to it, but unfortunately many others never will – and they vote, too. This is a case where what they don’t see, doesn’t hurt us. The police here used to arrest people for open carry, but were challenged in court and with a few notable exceptions, that is… Read more »
“First, I believe it’s perfectly within the purview of government, in the interests of public safety, to require individuals to meet a basic level of competency before allowing them to carry in public.”
I disagree with you. Non-civilian government employees have shown time and again they will abuse the power you want to give them. The “public safety” argument is the rationale to never-ending tyranny.
These butters and Fudds are cancer.
No matter how much video evidence is readily available to show how many armed “non-civilians” abuse taxpayers’ rights, there is a subset of firearm owners who want to give non-civilians more and more power.
A guy in NY posted earlier today that outside of NYC, the concealed carry permit process wasn’t bad. I posted the requirement for the most “conservative” county in NY – the process is draconian.
Their behavior and views are difficult to understand and they typically don’t engage in a conversation to explain themselves.
“A guy in NY posted earlier today that outside of NYC, the concealed carry permit process wasn’t bad. I posted the requirement for the most “conservative” county in NY – the process is draconian.” Fish rarely notice the water they swim in any more than you notice the air you breathe. What is becomes what you’re used to and eventually it becomes the way it should be. They think what they have isn’t bad because they’ve never really experienced anything better. As more and more evidence piles up that their way doesn’t work any better than “shall issue” or “constitutional… Read more »
I’m sure that’s true for some people. Here is the process for that NY county: https://www.wyomingco.net/DocumentCenter/View/189/How-to-apply-for-a-Wyoming-County-Pistol-permit-PDF?bidId= It is difficult to get people to push back. When the state health official announced the first “health order last year” there were about 30 people in our little community who protested – held signs for awhile and then drove up and down the main street through town. The county sheriff deputies smiled and kind of shook their heads like “yeah, I agree.” One enforcer with a small town police department was frantic – he drove around in his blacked-out pick-up taking pictures of… Read more »
Buttfudders
…only if we allow it. I understand your sentiment, but whether you call it “public safety” or the “common good”, or the “general welfare” as stated in the preamble to the Constitution, it is one of the most basic functions and responsibilities of government. The Founders understood abuse of power, that is why they created a limited government, with a built-in system of checks and balances and a Bill of Rights. It is the duty of citizens to hold those in government to account when they abuse their powers, and we do that through the institutions of free elections, a… Read more »
“most of them do a fine job serving us.”
Again, I disagree with you. Most of them don’t even view their job as “serving us.” They view their job as controling us.
“Non-civilian” government employees have time and time again lied and concealed evidence to prevent them from being held accountable.
If “non-civilian” government employees did a better job of policing themselves, they (as a group) would have more respect from the people they are supposed to serve.
You’re entitled to your opinion, but it pains me that you are so cynical. The Russian, Chinese, and the Iranian governments – to name just a few – would love nothing better than for us to loose faith in our government!
We may lose our faith in the government because government employees give use reason to do so.
Would you like to discuss some specific examples?
I’d like to know if you think the behavior of the “non-civilian” government employees is ok, or if you think they are “just a few bad apples.”
I’m not being cynical, I’m being observant.
I’m curious. Have you been personally wronged by a civil servant who trampled on your rights or performed some other disservice for his/her own personal gain? Everybody here hates going to the Department of Motor Vehicles due to their inefficiency, but we all generally appreciate the mailman/lady. I don’t like paying taxes but I’m always grateful when the refund shows up in my bank account. I’m happy when the police/EMT/fireman shows up when I call, and I don’t resent it when the warden stops me to check my hunting license. Of course there are always a few bad apples, but… Read more »
No.
I don’t need to be burned to know not to touch the stove.
Are you, or were you, a “non-civilian” government employee?
A tax refund doesn’t have anything to do with your effective tax rate. It just means you overpaid taxes during the year. You have no reason to be grateful for them returning your money to you.
Qui Bono?, I answered your question. Are you going to answer mine?
Are you, or were you, a “non-civilian” government employee?
Sorry I didn’t get back to you right away…I’m gluing up an old chair that split it’s seat. No, I am not now nor was I ever a “non-civilian.” I was a teacher for nearly 30 years, technically an employee of the state government. I have also worked as an automotive mechanic, a shipping and receiving clerk, a land surveyor, and a commercial driver at various times. I should have asked earlier, what exactly do you mean by “non-civilian?” Are you referring to military personnel? Or law enforcement? (My grandfather and several grand uncles served in WWI, my father and… Read more »
Thanks for the response. I use the term “non-civilian,” because it is important to so many enforcers to be a separate class from the people who pay their salaries. I used to not care what they called themselves (but I thought some of their arguments were funny), recently I changed from not caring to fully embracing their desire to be a separate class. They are not civilians. I encourage you to watch some videos – there are not just a few “bad apples” in law enforcement. We have more than enough laws already. The “non-civilian” enforcers need to do a… Read more »
I don’t want more gun control. Lots of legitimate activities and professions require training. Remember I called for demonstrating basic competency. Too often I’ve had to duck because some yahoo swung around and covered me with his muzzle, or dropped shot on my head because he was too focused on the bird and not what was in the background.
You wrote:
“I believe it’s perfectly within the purview of government, in the interests of public safety, to require individuals to meet a basic level of competency before allowing them to carry in public.”
That is more gun control.
Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree about that one.
Yep.
Careful what you wish for – you can choose who you hunt with, the consequences of telling an enforcer to piss-off when he is charging you with violating a law can be exciting.
Yup. I had many of the same experiences. BUt, I responded by not hunting with those careless individuals any more. Never once did it occur to me to support laws to restrict their rights. The world is full of fools…. but I can keep them away from my vicinity.
No law can ever make an idiot smart. Might just as well pass a law that a day is now 28 hours long. Think how much more daylight there’ll be! 🙂
Gun control is never-ending for a reason. Now some people say there needs to be government traning for concealed carry (for public safety). More crimes will be committed. People will then say we need Universal Background Checks (for public safety). More crimes will be committed. People will say we need to “Fix NICS” (for public safety). More crimes will be committed. People will then say we need to end the 3 day background check “loophole” that allows FFLs to sell a firearm if lazy government employees fail to respond to a background check within 3 days. Background checks will then… Read more »
You can actually disagree with the idea that more gun laws is more gun control? You claimed to be a teacher… does the concept of MORE… NOT mean more? What kind of grade would you give to a student that tried that?
Qui Bono: “we’ll just have to agree to disagree.”
Translation: “I can’t address the issue persuasively.”
You haven’t persuaded me, either.
Wow. Right over your head, “teacher”
Sure, set standards beyond basic ‘hunter’s safety’ course to get a hunting license, after all hunters have already surrendered some of their rights. As for private arms, government should have no idea who owns what or even who has anything. in reality ‘higher’ standards for hunters would not only be ineffective and expensive, it would be an unreasonable infringement. If you want to encourage better training, encourage hunters you meet to attend courses at any of the fine training facilities in your area. Go beyond and offer to sponsor any with limited means. In my area there are many facilities,… Read more »
Just a note regarding “non-civilian” status… Don’t civil rights and full constitutional protections only apply to civilians? Does this mean that by signing on as LEO they surrender their 1st, 4th and 5th amendment protection?
Have long said that those in law enforcement need to be held to a higher standard than us regular folk. Now they have justified draconian enforcement of those standards 🙂
And now from the Department of Irony:
Nevada Lt Gov candidate assaulted by the “.01%” & dragged from public meeting
https://www.survivethenews.com/breaking-nevada-republican-candidate-for-lt-governor-mack-miller-assaulted-by-police-and-dragged-from-clark-county-commissioners-meeting-video/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJB1oAm-JTk&t=73s
And…tah dah!
Just came across this today – exactly what you were talking about, I think. Let’s hope the higher court acts o it!
https://news.yahoo.com/blow-head-off-supreme-court-100147439.html
I’ve seen that article.
The issue is going to get fixed.
The right way to fix it is by changing the laws and working through the court system.
But, it is going to get fixed.
Enforcers should be leading the effort to change the laws.
Just like teachers didn’t change the system to make it easier to fire bad teachers, enforcers will probably not do anything to change the system. They need to be on a much shorter leash – firmly in the hands of civilians.
Did you see my question below regarding school vouchers?
See – 4 immediate downvotes.
Enforcers want to be able to be as bad as they wanna be.
Despite the constant fawning by Fox News, they will be hated in their own communities.
Keep it up boys.
“I was technically an employee of the govt” ~Qui Bono
Apparently YOU Bono.
We’re you “technically” a teachers union member?
“Technically” opposed to school choice vouchers?
“Technically” in favor of “gun free” school zones?
“Technically” opposed to teacher-staff-parent carry?
A member of a teacher’s union? Yup. Doesn’t mean I agree with or support their position on every issue.
Opposed to school choice vouchers? Yup. That’s what home schooling and private schools are for.
In favor of “gun free” school zones. Nope.
Opposed to teacher-staff-parent carry? Nope, providing they’re properly trained.
QED, big-govt “Libertarian”. That’s NOT what home & private school are for. Few private WORKERS can afford either one. But since teachers union members make double what the poor saps make who pay their way, teachers union members are twice as likely to send their kids to private schools as everyone else.
Who do you think you’re kidding, Comrade?
“Opposed to school choice vouchers? Yup. That’s what home schooling and private schools are for.” Could you expand on your thoughts there? For example: Couple A: pays a lot of property taxes and $15,000 of it is allocated to schools. They have one child and want to send that child to a private school because they believe the teachers are better and they value the rigorous attention to mathematics, grammar, and unbiased history. They also believe less class tiime will be spent with the teacher attempting to discipline students who have low impulse control. Couple B: pays little in property… Read more »
And then you have the single, never married with no kids. And will NEVER have any. For he took responsible action to prevent this. Went to private school, some 40 yrs ago. Said person just happened to want a home of his own. So now is stuck paying for couples A & B. He also has NO say in school system for not having kids attending. Should he not at least have the right to send his tax dollars to the school of his choice ? Because He will never get out of paying for his responsible choices. lol
I thought about that situation, but tried to keep it simple.
Qui Bono?,
Are you against the use of school vouchers for “Couple A” in the example I provided?
Qui Bono?,
Interested in sharing a teacher’s view on school vouchers with respect to the specific example above (should “Couple A” be allowed to get some of their taxes back in the form of a voucher)?
Crickets Chirping, Comrade.
Few in the private sector can afford home or pvt school, partly since they have to pay your gvt-union salary anyway.
Gvt-school “teachers” make 2x what the poor saps make who pay you, so you’re 2x as able & likely to send your kids to pvt school as everyone else, thx to the poor saps whose cash you pocket & condemn their kids to gvt indoctrination aka “public school”.
RUN AWAY!
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What was deleted?
I thought bono had ducked yet another question, but it turned out it was just further down. So my post made no sense. I tried to delete it entirely, but the button is gone now. So I tried just removing the text, but it wouldn’t post that way, so I just changed the text to “deleted” and that worked.
Roger that. Qui Bono’s still ducking. Elitist hypocrite gvt-union teachers make 2x the salary-benefit of comparably educated people, for half the work, full job security, no risk. 2x as able & likely to send their kids to private schools, a decent education they deny others by crushing vouchers. And not just because they can afford it: They send their kids to private school because they of all people know how shitty gvt schools are — while telling us how great they are and laughing. Over a 10-yr period, only 100 teachers were fired from the USA’s biggest, shittiest, most overfunded… Read more »
Sacramento is in the process of getting rid of one:
https://nypost.com/2021/09/02/pro-antifa-teacher-gabriel-gipe-reportedly-will-be-fired/
The exception that makes & covers for the rule.
$100 says IF fired he’ll also have done a crime like anal “indoctrination” of a student.
He was so bad, so blatant, and so outrageous that even the teachers’ union couldn’t protect him from the parents.
I can only imagine what flys under the radar.
Someone here likes him though.
Only possible in a small district. Worse than him openly flies with impunity in L.A. Unified. R voters need to wake the F up. Only thing that can stop it is vouchers, which Vichy Rs like Pete Wilson helped sabotage in 1993 & 2000 in Cali.
I’ll bet the guy survives unless district & union know of a crime, sexual harassment etc we don’t know about. If not, and they fire him, it’s tossing him under a bus to protect the system & all the slightly less blatant commie teachers & administrators who knew about him & did nothing.
Qui Bono?: “Our challenge is not to abandon dialogue”
Indeed (but off you go).
Does it remind anyone of this wrongheadedness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG2IPRr–nM
The “few bad apple” argument is really getting old.
Would you like to discuss specific examples that included multiple “non-civilian” government employees and in those examples, 100% of the “non-civilian” government employees violated people’s rights?
JS might not have, but I’ve been personally wronged by 90+% of the government employees I’ve ever had contact with.
From clerks who misrecord documents, to County Attorneys that lie like rugs under oath, to judges that use mute orders to find an entire defense “irrelevant”, to a kangaroo court that wouldn’t even allow the “law” that they say has been broken to be read to the jury!
All of the above is prima facia evidence that the problem is NOT just a few bad apples, but systemic!
Qui Bono?, We have tens of millions of people living in the US illegally, but CBP agents abuse the rights of American citizens when those citizens don’t kowtow to the “non-civilian” government employees. The right to video record in public should never have been contested by “non-civilian” government employees, but it was. They insisted they could not be video recorded in public (because the video recording would provide evidence of the abuses of the “non-civilian” government employees). The government finally conceded that their employees can be video recorded. Nonetheless, to this day, “non-civilian” government employees will attempt to bully people… Read more »
Yes, I’m familiar with both of those incidents. In the elderly ladies case at least, justice was served if I’m thinking of the same incident that you describe. Here in my state we have had to fend off proposed legislation that would have allowed police to demand you produce your permit w/o cause, and some officers clearly have an anti-gun bias. I’ve personally known many, however, who take the opposite view. I’ve had no experience with CBP beyond showing my passport. I believe the incidents you cite to be reprehensible; I also believe they are noteworthy because they are the… Read more »
No offense intended, but a lot of people born in the 30s, 40s, and 50s have a reverence for law enforcement that prevents them from concluding that it is more than just a “few bad apples,” despite all the evidence that shows the problem is fairly widespread. Watch some videos of enforcers abusing people’s rights (in particular, those protected by the first, second, and fourth amendments). Most of the time when more than one enforcer is present, not one comes forward to intervene. Talk to a statistician about the probability that all those cases can exist (where 100% of the… Read more »
My reply was put on hold. I don’t know why.
It’s frustrating, I know. My very innocuous reply to Russn8r is still “awaiting approval” too.
Eh, it’s a private business – they can do what they want. There are not many places that allow this level of free discusson, so I applaud them.
By the way, my response wasn’t rude. I just believe you may not have seen many examples of enforcers violating people’s rights. Youtube is a better source than Sean Hannity.
I didn’t think you were rude. And I agree with you about Hannity. I used to be a big fan of Fox, but they’re no more reliable than the left-leaning networks I thought they would rescue me from. Time to feed and walk the the dog! Have a good evening.
Take care.
You guys need to get a grip. I worry you are going to pull out some old creds from 40 years ago and try to arrest someone for failing to respect your [perceived] authority.
You mean “Awaiting for approval”. Please show the proper respect.
You sound like a federale
Not a Federale; not antifa either. Just a mild-mannered, retired gun enthusiast who believes in America and what it stands for.
Can you lefties ever stop with the fearmongering?
‘Without the government you’ll die! You’ll all die! Foreigners will come and kill you! Lie down for tyranny now!’
I have news for you, Qui Bono?. Our own government is killing us right now. Stop worrying about what MIGHT be, and start worrying about what IS. That’s my advice anyway.
I’m not a “leftie.” I’m not a socialist, communist, or anarchist. I’m not a fascist, either. I registered Republican when I turned 18 and remained one for over 40 years, but believed Trump to be a crooked N.Y. snake-oil salesman years before he ever talked about running for office. When he got the nomination, I switched to the Libertarian Party. Trump doesn’t give a rat’s a** about anyone except Donald Trump. Why do you find it so hard to engage is civil discourse, but instead must stoop to making false assumptions and name-calling? If you’re going to attack everyone with… Read more »
Nice try. Deluge immigration “Libertarian” spoilers are far more destructive than Vichy “Republicans”
Why do I find it hard to engage is civil discourse with you? Because when you are asked honest questions you duck them. Instead of sticking to the subject, you go off into rants about what party you may, or may not, belong to, and then lapse off into trump attacks. I could care less about what party you affiliate with, or anything at all about trump. You brought him up, no one else cares. Only you. That’s just one thing that points to you being a left winger. Your support for the status quo is another. You obsession with… Read more »
You are incorrect regarding constitutional carry and reciprocity. Yes Texas may accept reciprocity to residents of CC states which allow Texans to carry – however CC reciprocity is separate from license reciprocity. Despite our recent upgrade to CC, as an LTC holder I still have reciprocity “privileges” with all the same states. AFAIK every CC state continues to offer a carry license for this exact reason. In Texas there are many advantages to continuing to be licensed beyond reciprocity including broader legal carry, skip NICS, ability to leave excluded location if notified, and generally preferential treatment by “non-civilians.” By that… Read more »
I believe you are correct about at least some “Constitutional” carry states continuing to issue carry permits; I don’t pretend to be up to date on all of them. But I do know that some states don’t honor any other state’s permits, and that one of the arguments used to support this is the differences in issuing standards and requirements between various states. A Federal national carry permit would pre-empt those restrictions.
I feel a federal license would add more power to the federal government, which is a consequence I oppose. However federal law requiring states recognize licenses from states meeting specified standards, plus limits on restrictions states may impose would be something I could support. Majority of states have reciprocity, it is mostly just the crowded coastal states who will refuse. Never mind that initial CHL requirements in Texas were tighter than those states requirements to become a police officer (paid to carry a gun and provided ‘qualified’ immunity). Texas is not alone in seeing licensed carriers exhibiting considerably less lawlessness… Read more »
“I also think few would disagree with me that there are some individuals who should never be allowed to have access to weapons”
Should those people be allowed to have access to propane?
Should those people be allowed to have access to gasoline?
Should those people be allowed to work in restaurants?
Should those people be allowed to walk freely in society?
I think those are false equivalencies.
I don’t. Many more people can be murdered with propane or gas than a handgun.
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/03/25/Arson-fire-kills-87-in-worse-mass-slaying-in-US-history/1728638341200/
Qui Bono?, would requiring people to be vetted before allowing them to buy gasoline have prevented those murders?
Yes, there are some people who shouldn’t be allowed to play with matches, or anything combustible, including gunpowder. Timothy McVeigh comes to mind. No, I don’t think everyone should be vetted before buying gasoline, or propane, or fertilizer. While devastating when misused, those are much less frequently employed to cause deliberate harm than are firearms. We do walk a fine line as we try to balance liberty and security.
Some types of fertilizer and some types of fuel are being regulated. Authoritarians keep chasing the inanimate objects. If we allow it to continue there will be no freedom.
There are more than enough laws already.
The line needs to be drawn in the sand – you may not require “non-civilians” to complete some training you approve of before they can carry a firearm.
Improve your arrest record of murderers, rapists, robbers, thieves, etc. and leave us alone. Work smarter and harder.
And just who would you put in charge of walking that “fine line”? Only your qualified self, perhaps?
No, that is something that society as a whole has to address and come to consensus on; invariably, that will always leave some on either side of the issue dissatisfied.
So then you believe in direct democracy, like our late friend lord scarfington? No officials of anything, but the people vote on everything? Including what the training you desire to make manditory will be? Will every person in the Country also have to vote on whether I pass or fail the course? Will I be required to test in front of all 330 million of them? Think for a bit. Don’t just pretend you didn’t hear this, or lapse back into partyspeak. Think about just how illogical an answer that: “the people will decide” is. How can that even be… Read more »
No answer? Only dead silence and downvotes? What kind of a grade would you give to a student like that “teacher”? I give you an “F”… for FAIL!
<no crickets chirping…. they all went to sleep from boredom!>
Obviously they’re not equivalencies. He didn’t say they were. You mean false analogies? If so, why are they false? Because they’re not the same thing? LOL.
Crickets chirping. Gotta love a lefty genius who says “that’s a bad analogy because it’s not the same thing.”
Esp. one that claims to be a teacher. One would think if anybody should know the difference, it should be them. The sad part is, he probably is one. He’s about as illogical as all of my son’s teachers that I had to homeschool because they refused to do their jobs. The job I was paying them to NOT do!
I guess there’s a reason for the old adage: “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach”
I note no answer from Bono… except for some downvotes! Anyway, add those two teachers to my loooong list of govt. employees that have wronged me greatly and gotten away with it! The killer story is my middle son. His teacher wanted to leave him back in the fifth grade. Called a meeting. Told me she couldn’t read his writing, so he was getting “D”s. Repaet the 5th grade. I asked her what she would do to rectify that deficiency. She answered that she had 25 years experience. I said: “Well you just had him in your class for a… Read more »
Great story.
Speaking of pedantic losers, what happened to JLSchart? I came back after a few weeks & he vanished. I’m not complaining, but I wonder if the women he allegedly lives with couldn’t take it anymore & smothered him in his sleep or something to shut him up. Maybe something happened when he fired one of his long guns after loading clams in the wrong end.
Sorry you missed it. He exited by deleting all of his old posts, and all the ones connected to it went also. One page with a hundred comments went to eleven.
I could still find the page it happened on because posted connected to him started being posted under other people.
I mentioned it in the page where it happened.
It was this page, back on August 23rd.
https://www.ammoland.com/2021/08/no-vaccination-no-guns-gun-confiscation/comment-page-1/#comment-2894416
So now the trolls downvote simple housekeeping posts? WTF? Just how childish can they be?
Should they be allow to drive then ?
Cars are far more dangerous than firearms, by any measure you might choose to use. Or is everything that you cannot fit into your illogical worldview just dismiss-able by claiming they’re all “false equivalencies”?
According to Voxx they’re the same guns & cars. Funny thing they don’t list the number of deaths by guns. Just imply it. lol
https://realclearinvestigations.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=61572bb8acf7b8704903af7b8&id=7f301f5dab&e=40caaeb108
Too funny. You geniuses don’t know the difference between equal & analogous, but you know how to hit the downvote key when your panties get twisted.
In their world, intelligence, education, and critical thinking would be disqualifiers to being hired.
They didn’t need any of those things once they got the job – they just told “civilians” what they had to do, knowing there would be no consequences to them.
I work hard to upvote to keep the numbers low. lol
Me too. I upvote a lot, but seldom downvote. Too many paid trolls WANTING to get downvoted now. The scam is that they pretend to be on their opponents side, but then be as obnoxious as they can to make their opponent look bad. They measure their progress at being hated by their downvotes.
One could almost say that they get paid by the downvote! So I don’t participate in the scam… except for sometimes voting them up just to kick them in the wallet a little!
They really get paid for getting downvotes? Nothing surprises me any more.
Our late friend, lord scafington was almost certainly one of them. I don’t believe that anyone can be that obnoxious without working at it! 🙂 Also he left exactly when he couldn’t get downvotes any more, as predicted. And took all of his posts with him… all pointing to a paid sock puppet controller.
And Mr who benefits? looks to be his new replacement. A new tack. Less outright obnoxious and more of the appearance of reason… But yet not. His insistence that he’s a conservative, while spouting progressive talking points, for example. The hypocracy is palpable. But at this point he could still be just a brainwashed, lifelong govt. employee who’s brain no longer functions properly. I’d call the jury still out on that one. He could yet make a stab at being reasonable. It will be a pretty feeble attempt to start with, naturally. After a lifetime of disuse, the old brain… Read more »
I think he is just part of a large demographic who believes in a massive government. Many of them are Republicans who rant against “socialism,” but they support socialism in many ways. He believes that when the government provides a service (such as education), that paying for the service must be mandated. “Civilians” must pay for that service (ultimately at the point of a gun held by a “non-civilan” government employee), even if they don’t want it. It must be set up this way because the service is so bad, many people wouldn’t pay for if there were not laws… Read more »
Teachers:
https://youtu.be/8Jj4ry5xvyA?t=36
The unthinkable has happened! 🙂
So Mr. Who Does It Benefit, which is it? In the first part of your Fudd rant you think it’s in the purview of govt to be able to decide who can have guns, and also be the great protector and decider of those who may not. But by the end if we love our country we need to believe in ALL of the Founding Principles. There are NO BUTS IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT. And that means SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED was what they meant. And the 1st guarantees the right of free speech. Put those two together and it… Read more »
Qui Bono? stated: “I believe it’s perfectly within the purview of government, in the interests of public safety, to require individuals to meet a basic level of competency before allowing them to carry in public” Qui Bono?, You spent most of your working life working as a government employee. You believe the government should place mandates requiring some type of training before people carry in public. You believe people should pay taxes for public schools and if they want their children to go to non-government shcools, they should not only pay for government schools (teacher salaries like you used to receive), but… Read more »
Would you feel the same if those same standards were applied to your ability to vote? Or how about your right to be free from unreasonable searches? Or your right to speak freely? Infringements are unacceptable because they demand the moon and then “compromise” by only taking away SOME of your rights. Then they call it a “good first step” and promise that they’ll do it again.
How did I know this was written by little Harold before I even looked at the byline? Just knowing that belittling us 2A supporters is his standard procedure, is all.:-)