FBI’s Las Vegas Shooter Report Raises Serious Unanswered Questions. What NFA Weapons?

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “@FBI why include that Paddock had NFA firearms at Mandalay Bay when you previously said they were bumpstocks (and thus weren’t machine guns until after the bumpstock rule?)” attorney Stephen Stamboulieh tweeted Saturday.

“What NFA [weapon] did he have?”

“@ATFHQ any comment?” he asked.

Included with Stamboulieh’s tweet was an embedded copy of “Stephen Paddock: Part 0I” from FBI Records: The Vault.

“The Vault is our new FOIA Library, containing 6,700 documents and other media that have been scanned from paper into digital copies so you can read them in the comfort of your home or office,” the Federal Bureau of Investigation explains.

What’s not explained is a curious claim made on page 3 of the “Paddock” report dated 10/02/2017:

“On or around October 1, 2017, in Las Vegas, Nevada, Stephen Paddock, DOB 4/9/1953, illegally possessed prohibited firearms [emphasis added] in violation of 26 U.S.C. Section 5841. Paddock utilized prohibited firearms in the mass shooting incident that took place on Las Vegas Boulevard (the Strip) in which 50 people were killed and over 500 people were injured.”

26 U.S.C. Section 5841 is the code section for the “central registry of all firearms in the United States which are not in the possession or under the control of the United States. This registry shall be known as the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record.”

That puts the exclamation point to Stamboulieh’s question because the shootings have been widely blamed on “bump stocks,” which were not reclassified as machineguns or banned at the time the FBI made its observations.

FBI Stephen Paddock Part 01 Page 3 FOIA
FBI Stephen Paddock Part 01 Page 3 FOIA

The bottom line is “bump stocks,” which were “legal” at the time, could not have been the “illegally possessed prohibited firearms” referred to in the “Paddock” report. So what weapon/s are they referring to?

Confusion is further compounded by a PowerPoint presentation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives that it was “not allowed to physically examine the interior of the weapons for machinegun fire-control components or known machinegun conversion devices such as Drop-In Auto Sears, Lightning Links, etc.” recovered from the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room.

A Freedom of Information Act Request filed by Stamboulieh representing firearms designer Len Savage yielded even more confusing and conflicting admissions:

An ATF Firearms Enforcement Officer … has not yet been provided access to conduct a full examination.

“…the ATF FEO has not been able to conduct a full examination of them at this time.”

“I CANNOT FURTHER COMMENT ON THE BUMP-TYPE DEVICES RECOVERED IN THIS CASE AT THIS TIME AS THE PROCESSING AND ASSESSMENT OF EVIDENCE ONGOING, INCLUDING WHETHER OR HOW THE FIREARMS WITH BUMP STOCKS WERE USED// [capitalization and bold text emphasis in original.]

More from Len Savage;

“ATF did not disclose that they had not examined the firearms prior to promulgating the rule,” Savage noted in response. “And now that the comment period is closed … that information can not be used in a court challenge because it was not submitted prior to the closing of comments.

“From what we got from ATF in our FOIA years back the photos show NO third pinhole,” Savage recalled. “Bump stocks at the time were not NFA, so that leaves either a drop in auto sear or ‘DIAS’ or possibly a what is known as a ‘Swift link’ a very simplistic but effective conversion device.”

Las Vegas Shooter Weapons Hotel Room 2017
Leaked photographs from the crime scene on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel show Paddock’s body on the floor near what appears to be a handwritten note on a table,

So, why highlight this, and what is this writer claiming…that bump stocks attached to some of the recovered guns weren’t used?

For the record, I’m not claiming anything. It is and was, every other MSM media outlet claiming that bump stocks were responsible for the death toll and that fact somehow “justified” banning them and ordering lawfully-obtained property to be confiscated or destroyed.

All I’m doing here is repeating what ATF has said and comparing it to what the FBI has said, and noting that with all the inconsistencies, unanswered questions, and suspicions of official cover-up still hanging over the Las Vegas shootings, here is a thread that major media investigative journalists and congressional inquirers, people with influence and reach, could pull to see what unravels.

If they wanted to.

vault.fbi.gov/stephen-paddock/stephen-paddock-part-01.pdf/view

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About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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KK

At a time when the democrat party had absolutely NO POWER to stop concealed carry reciprocity, the hearing protection act, and the courts were about to look at the Maryland “assault weapons” ban and “high capacity magazine” ban, conveniently, the Vegas TERRORIST ACT! DEEP STATE BLACK OP! All of a sudden, advancing of any “gun rights” became UNTENABLE! The democrat party had, at that point, made HUGE advances in overcoming the Second Amendment, especially after Sandy Hook, with “assault weapon” bans in progressive states. They were on the verge of losing it all, with no political power to stop it.… Read more »

swmft

I tend to agree, this does not pass smell test, then neither does the shooting in texas, police were present when he entered and did not shoot him and waited an hour before someone they could not stop went in there is something not quite right with that, unless they have been hiring cowards to be police with intent to destroy civil society

KK

Think about what “GUN FREE ZONES” are designed to do. They disarm every good person that would be there to protect. The sign will never ever stop even one mass murderer, in fact mass murderers smile, knowing they will be able to kill unopposed. It is proven that “GUN FREE ZONES” actually ATTRACT mass murderers. “GUN FREE ZONES” insure that, as shots are being fired, and people are bleeding to death, people that are “protected’ by a “GUN FREE ZONE” sign have no other recourse than to WAIT for a police response time, police evaluating the situation, working up a… Read more »

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USMC0351Grunt

400 armed LEO’S and NOBODY went in? THAT is COWARDICE!

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Roland T. Gunner

From your lips to God’s ear.

musicman44mag

First, I want to thank the editor for including the link I have requested and mentioned on multiple occasions showing those that had not seen what really happened. You will not find this on any news channel. Trying to figure out if this was a set up is easy. Take away the multiple shooters, blacked out helicopters, men changing clothes in bushes, an Aussie that knew much more than he should, set up photos, door lock games. Take it all back and let’s nail it down to one thing. WHAT LOGICAL REASON DID THE COPS HAVE FOR TURNING OFF THEIR… Read more »

musicman44mag

Awaiting approval. Why? It’s all the truth and we should all be allowed to speculate especially when the facts show the truth not the government.

Ope

Oldvet, your absolutely right about the audio on that tape. . I heard full auto fire too, NOT bumpstock fire , when it was aired almost immediately after that tragedy. Now it’s like it never existed at all.

Ope

Oldvet, I haven’t either. But going only by the video taken in that scumbags room after he was killed, the firearms looked mostly AR15’s/AR10’s. 5.56/.308 With a few handguns lying around too.

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Boom

Oldvet –Well it’s possible they didn’t even try the door before they kicked it in.

Cam

High rise Hotel doors are extremely hard to breach even with a ram. They are usually hinged on a steel door frame due to fire codes with solid fire door.
A lot of time you have to drive a tool like a halligan into the frame to wedge it open. I would highly suspect he was dead before they breached the door unless they just used the key and he was distracted by his shooting or out of bullets or there would have been quite a firefight when they were beating on the door.

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musicman44mag

You are right on track. He would have fired back and there are pictures of loaded mags waiting to be shot. If they killed him, why only one shot? They always have 3 or 4 cops emptying their mags and it would have been a justified shooting.

I smell a skunk.

musicman44mag

Check the links, you will find a list.

musicman44mag

I bet the Aussie knows who killed him!!!!

Tionico

and those piles of arms were NOT just haphazardly lying about. No, they were carefully staged, “dressed” is the cinema term, to appear just so in the finished images. I know about this because I was a commercial photogrpher and had to “dress” my sets to provide the “look” nd “feel” my clients desired. Even the piles of spent casings were carefully placed, NOT as they’d be had they been ejected from live fire guns.

Oldman

Paddock was not sacrificial, IMO. He was the Patsy, just like Oswald, and they couldn’t risk his staying alive to talk. Period

Ope

Oldman, I remember on Sun. 24Nov ‘63 , when they were transferring Oswald from the Dallas city jail basement , to the Dallas Co. jail in a armored truck, the two cops escorting him on each side moved apart giving Ruby the perfect shot to Oswald’s gut. They had to shut Oswald up and they did. The coverup continues to this day.

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swmft

kind of like warren commission, the findings are not even close to credible. , and the only reason for fbi to hide evidence, is they were involved somehow. guns were theirs or ….I have several friends that were there,one has a brain injury, majority of deaths and injuries were trampling s I think there were as many at one of the black music festivals where people rushed the gates and people were crushed , but like dallas they buried the evidence afap . anyone who has a recording on their phone gets it taken ,and not returned( the friend that… Read more »

musicman44mag

There might be a few honest people in government, but they are being weeded out and the ones that remain have to live incognito.

musicman44mag

I believe all branches of fed. Gov. Is doing that. It started with obummer and then the shot.

musicman44mag

Ya, and it’s the only multiple shooting incident that is never mentioned on the news. Why? Busted.

musicman44mag

Wonder why they repaved the road so quickly after the incident. Usually when there is a crime scene, they keep everyone away until the investigation is done. With all the rounds fired that should have gone into the pavement, they should have had little yellow number markers on the street and a team of 100 men looking for all the holes and another team to recover them. Why would they change how they normally do things which is standard procedure? There is a reason and being thorough is not it unless you want to pave things over so it can’t… Read more »

musicman44mag

I know there are key words and sometimes phrases but it’s getting to the point that I am starting to wonder if this is a phsy opps web site. This would be a great place to find the ones obiden wants to kill.

Oldman

Yeah and they are Rotten fish!

warfinge

A lot of Experts claim that what was heard was a M249 SAW. Having shot several firearms with bump-stocks, I don’t think I could have achieved that consistency in rounds per minute. Especially while sweeping the rifle over the crowd. I believe a lot of things were covered up and a lot of disinformation was handed out. To blindly assume the ATF is being truthful about this shooting is naive.

musicman44mag

TRUTH!!!!!!

Matt in Oklahoma

CIA/FBI lies
Nothing makes sense and the reason for it is because it wasn’t supposed to. Most just ignored it distracted by sports, dope and tv and went on with their lives. Others remain quiet because they don’t wanna get Arkansided.

Country Boy

IMO a group of anti America democrats orchestrated the entire shooting, to kill a lot of conservatives, and now the ATF and FBI are helping them cover it all up.. They did and are still doing the same with Covid 19 fiasco. Our government has deemed patriotic, Christian, hard working American tax payers as expendable for the gov’s anti American agenda. And Obama,,Biden, Pelosi, Shumer, ,Shciff, and Mayorkis are hard at work at it

Roland T. Gunner

The sticking point for me from the beginning was the neatly arranged rifles, shown at the window overlooking the concert venue, staged on bipods and wearing bump stocks. Paddock did not lie behind a rifle supported on a bipod and spray down on concert goers with a bumpstock. If anyone can correct my memory or contradict what I thought I saw on the news footage, please do. Lots of conspiracy theories out there, from Nov. 22, 1963, going forward to the unholy mess our country has become today, and not every mass shooting is a false flag; but some are,… Read more »

Oldman

My thoughts are pretty much the same as yours. In 63 I was a junior in high school and while still a kid, I understood ballistics and the one bullet scenario, I will never buy. Aren’t any magical bullets that can turn two corners, go smashing into flesh and bone and still remain almost pristine except for a slight bend in the middle. Nope, never happened and especially from a 6.5 Carcano.

DDS

Who gave Randy Weaver the wrong court date?

What happened to the doors of the Branch Davidians’ Mount Carmel compound?

Why did the FBI ignore the MSDS covering the gas used that OSHA rules would have required every agent handling or working around the canisters to be trained on?

In the absence of verifiable facts, conspiracy theories sprout and flourish like weeds. A neutral observer might conclude that FIB and AFT were growing them as a cash crop.

KK

DAMN STRAIGHT!
Except, it is not the “public” safety they are worried about,
It is their own, as they mandate things that an EFFECTIVELY armed citizenry would never stand for!

MB

Regardless of the weapons used, I want to know how the hard drive from his computer unbolted itself and ran out of the room that was LOCKED FROM THE INSIDE, as it was never located, yet we know he used the computer. There is way more to this event than we will ever know, but to me it was possibly a set-up, false flag or other covert operation that went wrong. Or maybe it went exactly as planed? Just my 2 cents. I hope I an very wrong.

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musicman44mag

That was an example of what happens with our government and computers. Another is Hitlary and Hunter.

musicman44mag

Yes. It concerns me that there are questioned discrepancies regarding the programming of requirements to show a valid ballot. No signature match? What? We should have changed the company and machines or at least changed how they are programmed to verify a ballot. Sending the voting information to another country to be counted and then back to us is asinine. Not clearing voter rolls each election is asinine so with this in mind it shows that the demonratts are in control of our voting systems and how votes are taken. We need to change all of that. Oregoneistan where votes… Read more »

musicman44mag

Oh ya, most definitely.

Green Mtn. Boy

One might reason that the FBI and government never heard of the concept of ex post facto, not surprising as to who is involved.

Jay Dee

Two things make me suspicious of the bump stock narrative. The BATFE was never allowed to examine the guns seized in evidence. The FIB had the guns and showed them to the BATFE from across the room. The guns were immediately shredded afterwards. I’ve heard both M-16s firing in full auto and I’ve heard bump stocks firing. That was no bump stock firing in Las Vegas. I have no knowledge of the circumstances surrounding the Las Vegas massacre it smells like an FIB sting gone bad. I’d like to think that the FIB would not resort to mass murder to… Read more »

gregs

batfe wasn’t allowed to examine the firearms? isn’t that their job? then why do we need them?
perfect example of too much government bureaucracy when two agencies in the same department can’t or won’t work together. i have a remedy for that, dissolve both of them.

Terry

Their job is to F with people, create criminals out of thin air, and crap on the constitution.

Arny

An elite military has-been like the dirty dozen.

Roland T. Gunner

I’d work on that suspension of disbelief.

musicman44mag

So would I but after learning how the different alphabet agencies have been used to further political agendas, how they pulled fast and furious and why they did, it wouldn’t surprise me.

After I lost two homes in 2008, I no longer trust our government. After this last election and video evidence of fraud taking place, I no longer trust the government and IMO anyone who does is a moron.

Ope

Oldvet, Bill was online about six hours ago. His comment was directed to you or either Oldman. He will be back a little later.

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Oldman

WB answered one of my posts this morning that I posted on Friday I think.

musicman44mag

He didn’t say.

Ope

Music, I know that BIll has been real busy on his ranch lately too.

Wild Bill

Nope, no fishing here! Getting ready for winter. Horse showing and hoof trimming is done for a while. We are staining and sealing the porches around the house. Stain and sealer are really expensive all of a sudden. Painting all the steel targets so that they do not rust over winter. I had to mow to make the place look neat and trimmed, but it is so dry that mowing may have been a mistake. And now the good news. Although the husband of one of the older couples that we visit on Sundays passed away, his widow gave me… Read more »

Terry

WB;
I know the feeling. It’s a hell of a way to get ammo but I’m sure he’d feel better knowing it’s going to a good cause. My Father in law passed a few weeks ago – left me his pristine 7400 and 100 rounds of Herters. He was a Korean war vet – navy.

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Wild Bill

He sounds like a good man.

Ope

Bill, your friend and his wife put a lot of value in their friendship with you. That is quite an honor that many might never fully understand. When my great uncle died in 1982 he left me a very old Colt .38 revolver he had for over 50 years. He and I were never really close and he had 2 sons. I will never fully understand why he bequeathed that revolver to me, but it’s the most cherished firearm in my collection.

Wild Bill

Perhaps he knew that you would cherish it, as he had.

Wild Bill

Funny you should mention that. It is now my cell phone that is plaguing me. My old flip phone was G3 (whatever that means). Verison sent me a letter informing me that they would no longer support (whatever that means) G3 after 31 December 2022. Two months later, Verison sent me a different flip phone and told me that I had until 31 December 2022 to initialize it (whatever that means). Two weeks ago, Verison sent me a letter informing me that they had noticed (I wonder what that means) that I had not initialized the phone yet, and so… Read more »

musicman44mag

Hi WB. G3 is the old system and frequencies that our phones ran on. It upgraded to 4G and now the upgrade is to 5G. I have been with verizon for years and since the 5G upgrade and new phones they are trash. My new phone gets one or two bars and floats in and out while my old 4G had four bars all the time. Every time I get into a 5g network area my phones don’t work and are as good as what your horses leave behind in the field after they eat. I have a suggestion. Tmobile… Read more »

Oldvet

mm44… Thanks you answered things I have been mulling over . One more question with T mobile can I totally get rid of google ?

musicman44mag

I don’t know because I only use it for the phone. I think the google is part of the Android system and if you want to leave that you need to go with an I phone but I am not sure. We need someone that knows the operating systems for the phones to answer that one. I am curious too. I have been thinking about changing to I phone but most the people I talk to that have made the change always say they will go back to Android next phone. I believe I phone is Apple computers. Something else… Read more »

Oldvet

mm44… I think you are correct .

Ope

Oldvet, I believe your sources are wrong. Mark Zuckerberg owns Facebook and has controlling interest.

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Ope

Oldvet, I’ve never been in an argument with you before and I’m sure not going to start now. Take care.

Wild Bill

Switch from Verizon? Perish the thought! I love going out into the pasture to make a call. I’m looking forward to making lots of calls this winter.

musicman44mag

What pisses me off is every time they do an update on the computer or the phone it works different and there are never instructions on how to operate the system. I have to learn by trial and error. The other thing is my HP laptop is no longer supported and there is no way for me to disconnect the mouse pad when I have the external mouse plugged in other than to remove it from the operating system. Every time I get an update I have to go through that procedure. Geek squad says they can’t fix it or… Read more »

Oldvet

mm44… ditto and I think I was told that android is google what ever that means .

Wild Bill

Yes, shoeing. I will have to speak to him in harsh tones! I can’t fire him, though … because he has an offer from the St Paul Free Press.

Wild Bill

Naaaa, his name is Noodles.

Ope

Bill, how is tripod doing?

Wild Bill

He is full of mischief, today.

Mike11C

FBI: “Shut up peasants! The truth is what we say it is!”.

musicman44mag

Oh, that sounds so military. We own you.

MB

Worked for the German government in 1939, BTW, the Nazi party modeled itself after post Civil War Democrat party. They learned from the best…

Boom

500 people injured? Really.? 500 people?

I’m sorry, I don’t believe that.. even if this was a completely different rendition of what was told that happened, even if they did have a SAW or 240 up there….500 people?

It sounds heavily inflated to me.

But of course, that’s just one item of the host of trickeries..

Finnky

There were a lot of people there. In a stampede of so many people, one would expect a significant number of injuries – mostly bruises and sprains, but still a large number. When they count killed and injured they count everything as criminal is responsible for all results of their crime. Had a commercial airline pilot been too busy listening to news and crashed kill a plane load of people, that would be counted as well.

In short, I have no issue believing 500 injured.

Tionico

maybe that number includes all those who suffered mental and/or emotional trauma,,,, maybe even includes those who wet their pants as they trembled in fear that the next round would have their name on it.

And NO ONE has ever provided a plausible explaination of how the 800 pound gorilla, er, squeeze me, window, was removed by ONE MAN (and an old guy at that) acting alone, thirty four floors above grade.

Arny

And funny how not much was said about the helicopters I SAW.

musicman44mag

You mean the things in the air with those little orange flashes that weren’t in a timed sequence?

Arny

Ah but some were in a timed sequence. Which brought to my attention the flashes that were NOT. And the sound was quite well on the videos that night. And then there were reports, followed by videos of shootings at other businesses.Then low & behold VIDEOS were scrubbed, phones confiscated, etc.

musicman44mag

That tells you something is up when it disappears.

Laddyboy

Pre-runner to the Twin Tower and building # 7 IMPLOSIONS! Kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt the STEEL COLUMNS. However, THERMITE works wonders on steel. Ask the Military men who used THERMITE on the German CANNONS!!!

musicman44mag

As a professional musician my ears are trained for sound and rhythm. By the sound and tone there are more than one gun being fired. By the rhythm, it is not echos because the small arm fires and quits and the bigger arm goes on 3 more shots. Listen to the sound of the guy shooting 5 round bursts in intervals of 3 groups. That is someone who practiced with that weapon who knows it well and shoots it often not a bump stock shooter.

Jonesy

I think that Paddock is a mule in the Stall.

Doug G.

That “Uncovering the Cover up” is a great vid that raises many, many, questions about what really happened that night and who was involved. Yes, there were more than 1 shooters/persons discharging firearms in and around the concert!

Tionico

Franz Kafka never wrote a fiction piece anywhere near as strange and twisted as what passes for “reality” these days. If he did, it would likely be rejected as too fantastical.

Ram

An often ovrlooked point is that although Paddok had bumpstocks
available, the bumpstocks were never used. I’m unaware of any
crime ever being reported that utilized bumpstocks.

Winston Hashburn

Vegas has more camera security camera surveillance than most cities in the world yet this mass murder as with the assassination of Tupac Shakur leaves us with more questions than answers. Vegas is a money and information blackhole. It lives virtually untouched by conventional law and order.

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