Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Support Gun Manufactures

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Italy – -(Ammoland.com)- Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)?”

It is surely an upside down world when the representative of G* on earth disparages the right to self defense and accuses the Greatest Generation of being complicit in Hitler’s genocide and the destruction of Europe and Russia.

  • 317 thoughts on “Pope Francis Says You’re NOT Christian if You Support Gun Manufactures

    1. I guess he is safe because the Vatican’s weapons are made in Switzerland and his army of mercenaries are also from the same country. So I guess Luke was wrong in his writing then. Luke 22 – 36. Considering what the church has being doing for more than thousand years – he should be cleaning his own backyard.

        1. actually, Luke was not an eye witness and could not have reported on the sayings of Christ. The texts were written 50 to 100 yrs AFTER Christ, and the quotes referred to were taken from The Q source – a hypothetical written collection of Jesus’s sayings.

          1. Indeed. Luke was not a witness in exactly the same way as Hermione didn’t witness Snape kill Dumbledore.

            1. Well thanks a lot for that. I was half way through the Harry Potter series, but I guess I don’t need to finish now. Thank you for destroying my voyage of discovery.

          2. JAIO – concerning your eyewitness statement, consider THIS forward, he was recording EYEWITNESS accounts as an archive of eyewitness testimony:
            Luke 1:1-4 (KJV)
            1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
            2 Even as they DELIVERED them unto us, which from the beginning were EYEWITNESSES, and ministers of the word;
            3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
            4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

            1. If he doesn’t want to support the manufactures then why is he surrounded all the time with ARMED guards??? Their weapons come from some place.. Let us test this , the next time he ( the pope ) is out in a public place lose the bubble cage and lose the armed guards and get out and walk with your people. Don’t worry God will protect you…..

          3. Q is just that: A “hypothetical” so-called “source” document that exists totally in the minds of source critics and that never existed in the world of reality. If it ever existed, and to the prevalence that it could be used as a “source,” where are the extant copies of it? There are none, and there will never be any, because it never existed and it was never used as a “source.” Luke was Paul’s traveling companion and translated more than one of his writings into Greek. Luke wrote down what Paul had learned about the life and ministry of Jesus Christ, while Paul was still living, when it ciyld be proofread by eyewitnesses to the events, and it gained authority and acceptance immediately. “Higher” (actually “lower”) critical hogwash.

          4. Have you guys even read Luke? He’s writing an organized chronicle of the accounts OF eyewitnesses. He interviews people in Judea while Paul is busy being in jail and puts it all together in an orderly account for Theophilus and the Church. That’s why he says things like, “and Mary treasured these things up in her heart,” because he interviewed Mary and she TOLD him. *Of Course* it wasn’t written until a little later, because written accounts weren’t necessary until the church got a little bigger and spread out–before that you had the Apostles just telling everyone to their face. It doesn’t make it less authoritative. Not to mention–and this is the whole reason almost that Luke’s Gospel is included among all the other legit reasons–Paul IS an eyewitness to the risen Christ, and a genuine apostle confirmed by James and Peter. And Paul confirms Luke. Luke gets the O.K. from Paul, thereby filling the requirement of apostolicity for being in canonical scripture.

          5. As for the comments of Luke and who wrote and saw what. Certainly Constantine didn’t see any of it some 300 years later but of the holy scriptures isn’t he and his counsel at Niciea responsible for the merge of christ and sol invictus mythris and Jewish law to create a standing power of Rome

        2. ahh..the phony false prophet speaks…another liar joins the crowd…As a born again Christian of well over 30 years , I can tell you I do support gun manufacturers and anyone that helps people defend their families from lying govt and lying organizations like yours! You say the allies were guilty of helping to destroy Jews and Christians? YOU SIR ARE A BOLDFACE LIAR! No one was more complicite than the catholic church, who were asshole buddies with the nazi’s and who were VERY involved in helping nazi’s escape after the war……you ignorant south american son of satan….GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND TRY ACTUALLY READING THAT BIBLE you carry around!

          1. “When guns are outlawed only the outlaws will have guns”.! Obama,The Poopie,The U.N. troops,The Cop Killers,they will have guns. So it is a true statement. Also starting next year the U.S. government plans to ban all sales of toy guns to get them from the minds of children. No water guns,no cap guns,no toy guns at all. They believe this is why so many Afro-Americans are violent .They played with toy guns until they were two before moving on to real guns. Their dads were in prison so there wasn’t any one around for someone to say no. The Pope will now be the Afro-Americans father and he says no guns. He will be the daddy they never had. Also next year prophylactic industries plan on moving their plants into China.Will they do a good job making the new ones? Their are about a Gazillion Chinese with the last name of “Lee”. “Go Figure” ! Old Lee gets around don’t he. ? The head of the homosexuals said he- or- she- or- other didn’t believe it would have any long standing ,adverse effects on their trips up the “Hershey Highway.” I am not a homosexual. I am an old guy who loves women. But recently I have been thinking of becoming a Lesbian. The Pope says it is O.K. if you are a weenie-washer. Just be a good weenie- washer.He is the head of the most famous band of “Weenie-Washers” around. Of course he is gonna say that.! . One Goober-Smoocher taking care of another . I always seem to be a day late and a dollar short. I heard that that Catholic church is not going to give out any any more money for the homosexual priests molesting little boys. This really angers me ! I was abused too. ! All I got was a Coke and a bag of M&M s. It’s not fair. ! Now I see queers in brand new cars and all I can think of is the next generation of children will not have guns to shoot the priests who molest them. They will not even know what a gun is. They will have only M&M s to throw at them.! America-America- God shed His grace on thee- not for long though. Bye.

            1. That will never happen in my home i have a 5year old grand son who shoots we will never bow down from my cold dead hands. JB

          2. You are right on the money! The catholic church was indeed complicit in the hiding, assisting in identity changes and the transportation and protection of Nazi War Criminals! To say the allies were complicit in the killing of christians and jews is ludicrous! First of all, this pope believes that possession oft weapons of war means that you are NOT christian?? What were we supposed to attack the trains with, sticks and stones?? When the enemies of Christ have guns , bombs, and soon nuclear weapons, what are the unarmed Christians supposed to defend themselves with?? He can sit in his ivory tower and believe that God will protect him but I guarantee you that when the wolf is at the door he will be calling for anybody with guns to come and save is ass! What world is he living in?? Mr Pope, This world is filled with evil people but for sure the well armed and trained patriot Christians of the USA are NOT among them! Yes we will come to your aid when you call, as long as Obama is no longer in office but don’t use your God Fearing bully pulpit to say negative things about some of the only people in the world that has an interest and willingness to keep this world in a state of civilized behavior! Without us……You would be speaking German, if they let you speak at all! Or would you prefer Arabic????

            1. Our freedoms were very hard won in the US, and our guns keep us safe from both tyrannical governments and violent criminals.
              However, we did avoid direct involvement in WWII until Pearl Harbor. Many Americans at the time had no desire to send their sons to die in Europe’s killing fields.
              Why didn’t we bomb the train tracks to the camps?
              Because we had no air bases there, nor any airplanes. And the Brits were busy chasing Luftwaffe bombers away from London.
              However. Many clergymen of many denominations, including many Roman Catholic priests, did in fact risk their lives to hide and shelter Jews, Gypsies, and others the Reich wished to eliminate.
              This particular priest would likely do the same, were he in 1930-1945 Europe. I think he is a decent man. But he seems to deeply misunderstand capitalism, democracy, and civil rights.

            2. There are several fallacies being made. Let me debunk them quickly:
              Doesn’t the Swiss guard also bear arms? I don’t see the pope disbanding it.
              Hitler had zero intention to conquer the US or even Britain. It was Roosevelt that tried hard to bait Germany in that war. Documents proof that.
              The rail way lines were IN FACT bombed and that actually was the main reason for the horrible conditions in camps at the end of the war.

            3. This Pope is Not American. He can’t relate to Our Life styles and fears. He lives in a Palace being protected 24/7. He can’t relate to the Real World. During his visit to the USA he was accompanied by many Body Guards and Law enforcement heavily armed. All Lives Matter Not just the Elite.

            4. Jesus said these things about possessing weapons for self defense against evil:
              Luke (NIV) Chapter 22:35 Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’ ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” He replied.
              Luke (NIV) Chapter 11:21 “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. 22But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder. 23“Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters.”

              I guess this false teacher is not with Christ. Roman Catholicism is based on the teachings of Gnostic idol worshipping blasphemers. They call the Pope (“Holy Father”), which is a named reserved for God in the Bible. The very definition of blasphemy. This so-called “universal” church also preaches many things that are in direct opposition to the Word of God, and therefore heretical… All true believers should seek the truth on their own. Jesus is THE way, THE truth, and THE life. He is our High Priest, our Redeemer, and Savior. Get away from the false dogma in this cult and find the true way.
              BTW, I don’t carry a gun looking for trouble, I’m just prepared when it comes looking for me or those entrusted to my care..

          3. What if the Jews had been armed and banded together??? Back to the subject, we have another holocaust happening with Christian and the Kurds (Yazidi) why doesn’t he concern himself with what is happening now? And he declared “non-Christian” people who manufacture guns and people who buy them???
            And he believes all our pet go the heaven when they die? He really sounds a bit senile!

          4. Actually if you read up on the annals of Roland Harriman and Prescott Bush and the German Steel trust you will find that thousands of our GI’s and hundreds of thousands of Poles, Jews, and others from the master race ethnic cleansing all died because we did not bomb the coal and steel works they managed and owned.
            As for the present times may I remind you that PNAC of which Jeb Bush was but one of it’s signatories and full of fundamentalist christians and zionists were totally willing to exploit Americans, overturn our Constitutional safeguards, defy international law in the pursuit of world domination. ..but i guess you think that an eye for an eye is ok as well as illegal invasions of other countries is ok because might makes right. Feel pity on you and others that would murder despite protests . Feel also pity on the misinformed and uneducated of any religion who kill others in their desire for riches.

        1. The sword that was most used was a short dagger type knife and it had many practical uses such as cutting hair, Clearing brush and for cutting food. We must always interpret scripture with scripture always deferring to clear scripture to interpret vague scripture. It is clear that Thruout Jesus ministry he preached non-violence and there is no record of uprisings among Christians during the early church years even though there were persecutions occurring. Americans many times like to interpret scripture with a foggy lens of their culture rather than just imitating Christ.

          1. I have a feeling most Europeans were very glad to have us there spilling our blood to save them during WW2. And the pope would want us to do the same if the vatican was threatened. He sounds quite naive, to put it kindly.

          2. Jesus’s command to buy a sword was not for cutting hair, or brush, but for self defense against criminal activity that could threaten their lives. Contrary to popular belief, Jesus was not a pacifist. He taught love and charity true, but also understood there were going to be time for violent defense. Jesus himself will destroy and kill millions of people at Armageddon. It in revelation….

            1. Jesus may well have been continuing his warning against he coming punishment of Jerusalem, fulfilled in 70 A.D. He knew hard times were coming and gave warning to arm themselves and to run away. The destruction could not be averted, as it was God’s will, but the children of God, who LISTENED, could fight their way out and flee. The sign of warning was when they saw Jerusalem surrounded. AD 68. The leader was called back to Rome, and the destruction delayed. Believers were to flee then, and witness the destruction from the mountains.

            2. In the ‘ turn the other cheek ‘ directive, if some one slapped you with the right hand it was a criminal offense, but if someone hit you with the left or unclean hand, that person would lose their Roman citizenship.

              It was a dual message with a single act. Brilliant. Jesus came to stop the cycle of revenge by teaching love and forgiveness. He understood human nature to be what it was.

              We follow his teachings to no avail regarding WMDs why would we not remain armed till his return ?

              Because there are yet three kinds of people in this world, peacemakers, peacekeepers and trouble makers.

          3. Don’t be an ass. The Roman’s short sword was shorter than those of the Brits, but was plenty long enough to penetrate the flesh to the internal organs. If their short sword was as small as you say, they would have been useless against their enemies. Jesus made it abundantly clear that the use of deadly force was justified if your life or the life of another were in danger.

          4. Was it a sica or a gladius? There is a difference, and the Greek used in the Gospels, translated into ecclesiastical Latin, does not make it clear.

          5. Jesus was going to be taken by the Jews, tried and convicted and put to death by the Romans. Suddenly their Master’s public status was about to go from “eccentric Rabbi” to “criminal condemned for stirring up trouble with the Romans,” which would turn those who supported him into fugitives, at least temporarily.

          6. I would highly recommend you read ding Fox’s Book Of Martyrs when Christians who were tired of being brutally murdered stood up. It was Christians being fed to the Lions and made to fight in gladiator arenas. We have a way of forgetting some basic commandments. One would be to protect the weak. We’re supposed just pray when the wicked comes to rape and kill? Peter killed a married couple just for holding back some money. If someone kicks 8n my door to make an easy victim of mine will meet stiff resistance. Pacifism is just as big a sin as genocide, because one can’t live without the other. This Catholic Church is full of hipocrisy and it’s place of worship are LITERALLY built upon the bones of their victims. How dare he lectures ANYONE when there are pictures of his cardinals giving the Sieg Heil all over Germany. They also helped to smuggle Nazis to South and Central America. His Papal Bulls Ok’d the Transatlantic Slave Trade, started white washing black artifacts of black Christ, Apostles, and REAL JEWS. He also runs the very same mafia that dumped UNTOLD TONS of their destructive drugs directly in Black, and Latino neighborhoods. He is like most pedophiles and sociopaths. He can speak clearly on the sin of others, though he is the FATHER OF THEM ALL. Lucifer has a favorite organization. You’re looking at it.

          7. The sword mentioned was a sword, not a paring knife or other such kitchen utensil. The leader of the disciples and one of the closest disciples to Jesus was Peter. Peter carried a short sword with him and Jesus knew of it. He had it on him the night the Roman soldiers and Temple guards came to arrest Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. Peter drew this sword (against a cohort of soldiers no less) and cut off Malcus’s ear (servant of the high preist). Jesus then miraculously recreated a new ear for him (he didn’t pick the ear and reattach it). Jesus essentially told Peter to put the sword away and to not live by it, or to seek to resolve conflict through aggression. Those who live by the sword will die by it. He also didn’t presume that there aren’t times when good men are confronted by evil. He never intended believers to be doormats. We are to turn the other cheek when it involves insult and hatred (notice the right cheek struck by the back of the aggressors right hand indicates insult, not deadly force).

        2. Oh, but you have to continue the quote!

          “It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.”

          The disciples misunderstood Jesus, just as you do. When they produced the swords, Jesus told them to stop – because He wasn’t actually commanding them to take up swords, He was consciously fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah 53:9-12. Jesus makes his opinion of violence clear throughout the Gospels, including just a few hours later, in Matthew 26:52: “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”

          You misunderstand scripture – as does your pastor, apparently.

        3. your pastor is mistaken.

          Luke 22:36 – “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
          To suggest that this means Jesus was all for everyone being armed would be completely missing the point. Jesus was simply fulfilling the prophecy in which he must be taken as a criminal.
          “It is necessary that the prophecy be fulfilled according to which I would be put in the ranks of criminals” (Luke 22:36-37)
          Hours later, when Jesus is arrested and Peter cuts off some dude’s ear, Jesus says “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”(Matthew 26:52)
          Of course, this DIRECTLY contradicts the meaning that many people find in Luke 22:36.
          So… sorry, gun lovers, but Jesus was never suggesting that everyone should be armed.

          1. THANK YOU. Finally, someone who reads — and understands — all of the passage, not the part that justifies their ideology.

          2. Jesus, being our lord and knowing we were born into sin, died for our sins. And I for one will never compare myself to the only pure soul to ever walk the earth. I will try to do my best to walk the righteous path, but my principles and my character come to play also. And I will tell you right now, the founders knew the only true threat to the greatest free country to ever emerge was from within, through tyranny and corruption of the powers allowed to MEN by the people! And I will not let people who don’t want to preach religion unless it meets their agenda, try to cloud what is going on today. We have a pope that will stand and defend homosexuals, and stab the backs of honest law abiding citizens that only want to defend their families and property! That is no religious leader, that is a false prophet!

          3. With all due respect, you DON’T actually know that. The directive to buy a sword is, as far as, I can see, a directive to arm your self for personal defense. Thus, it would apply to EVERYONE, unless the Lord said otherwise.

            And Peter was admonished for his MISUSE of the sword. What he did, though well-intentioned, was not in self-defense.

          4. “Jesus was never suggesting that everyone should be armed.”
            No, not “everyone”.
            Later in the passage from Luke we find the statement “Lord, here are two swords”. Jesus then replies, “It is enough”. Two swords among the twelve were sufficient for their defense.

            “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”(Matthew 26:52)

            Note first that Jesus does not say “cast away your sword”, but return it to its sheath. What he is saying is that those who initiate armed violence should expect to be killed by their intended victims. That sounds like “Speak softly and carry a sharp sword” to me.

            The passage from Luke has nothing whatsoever to do with the fulfillment of the prophecy of Christ’s death. You have jumbled that with the passage from Matthew.

            So . . . sorry, gun haters, but Jesus never suggested that no one should be armed.

      1. if I remember my history correctly, the Catholic Church didn’t take much of a stand on hitler & the holocaust…the Bible proves even one rock can kill an enemy…guns are not the problem. A gun is an inanimate object & cannot act on its own. Owning a gun does not make me a non-Christian…

        1. During the time of Christ, were there such a thing as a gun? I don’t think so. Sometime in the 9th century is when gun power was first used and referred to as “Fire Medicine” by the Chinese.

        2. Actually, the Pope ought to review the history of the Catholic church during WWII. Seems that they were very much complicit with the crimes of the Nazi’s. As the war began to crumble, it was the Catholic church who aided the Nazi hierarchy to escape to places such as Argentina, Urugray, Peru etc. The “underground railroad” operation Odessa routed these animals thru Italy via the Church. Let Francis explain that before he starts casting stones.

        3. actually IF YOU DO A LITTLE RESEARCH,
          (IN ALL CHRISTIAN KINDNESS) you will find that that pope not only “did not take much of a stand, but was actually complicit in giving rise to Hitler and supporting him and his agenda, (hitlers). The Catholic church in Rome, the Vatican and the Pope of that time helped provide VERY large amounts of money to the Reich, made deals, such as official documents, possibly some kind of treaties, and/or contracts promising this for that. They supported Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party completely and wanted them to succeed and did everything the could to help them. Heinrich Himmlers ss, Gestapo, was modeled after the Jesuit order which is the military branch of the RCC. The Swiss Guard is sort of a front to say, this is our military. It is in a secular way and would be I suppose like a national guard. The Jesuits are run by the “black pope” who arguably is the most powerful man in the world and some say they control the pope in some cases. One pope disbanded them and stated that he was signing his own death warrant by signing the papal bull. Sure enough, he was poisoned not long after and the Jesuit order was back in business, even though I don’t believe they were ever put out of commission but simply got more quiet than usual for that time.
          Check into RAT LINES the Vatican helped many high level Nazis escape, many to south America. Argentina I believe was one of the main places they went. Interestingly pope Francis who is a Jesuit came from
          Argentina. The preceding pope, Benedict, was a Nazi soldier, maybe an officer but not sure on that. There are pictures of him in uniform giving the Nazi salute and though he was very young, maybe 20, give or take, HE WAS A NAZI! The Holocaust, I find it very interesting that the RCC teaches replacement theology which is this; The Christians have replaced Gods chosen people, the Jews. The premise is that the Jews rejected Jesus, crucified him, and therefore God has permanently cast them away. So now the Christians are “spiritual
          Israel”. The Bible says that we Christiand have been “grafted in to Israel” I don’t know how familiar you are with the bible, especially the KJV, (this is long so I wont really go there) but in the olt testament God makes UNCONDITIONAL promises to the physical children of Israel, 1. that He will NEVER permanently cast them away and let them become extinct as a race, He will ALWAYS keep a remnant of the fleshly off spring of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,(whose name God changed to
          Israel) hence, the children of Israel. 2. God gave the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, for an inheritance FOREVER. It is their land, God gave it to them and furthermore Jerusalem is “the city of the great KING! Who is Jesus Christ. Theews will Never be exterminated, God protects them, He has punished the severely for their wickedness but He will always forgive them and bring them back.
          The popes, the Vatican, the Jesuit order, they are all VERY wicked and IMHO The higher ups and likely many priests and nuns do not even believe in God the way most people, Christians do. They are idolaters, they are of their father the devil, murderous, the end justifies the means, many homosexual, pedophiles
          There is plenty of research on all of these things if you will look.
          God Bless
          peace, grace and love to you all in the name of the Lord
          Jesus Christ.

            1. Truck drivers along the highways are the biggest child molesters,(at least in latin America) for there´s thousants of route spots of infantile prostituitions,girls and boys alltogether,some of age up to 12 years old…..much more,therefore, than a few dozens catholic priest pedophiles…and BTW,your pastors,ministers,rabinos,are them all exempt of same horrendous crimes?Better look unto your own dirty backyard before pointing fingers to others folks mistakes…….

          1. obviously,you are a zionist jew to promote such a lie,where´s the evidence of all that crap?Jesus Himself said that the jews would be the last ones (chosen people)after they rejected,condenned and killed the Son of Man,the Messiah who they still deny…a race of murderers,whose father was the devil,Satan…..and some stupid comment about the german pope,who was just a teenager(about 11) obliged to defend his country against the enemy (brits and USA bombers) which were massacrating the entire pop. of Germany during aerial raids in 1944/45 (estimated 8 millions of civilians casulties deaths, burned alive by incendiary bombs)..what did you expect him to do at that time?People also forget that if were not for the cruzades,during middle ages,done by Charles Martel dinasty and the vatican,europe and the west culture would all be muslin,nowdays,because invasion of moors and sarracens….you all,idiots,WOULD BE WORSHIPPING MUHAMMED AND THAT ALLAH OF BEDOUINES…lastly,if the vatican was sided with nazys,how to explain that out of 70 millions of casulties during 6 years of war,the majorities were catholics,ortodoxes(soviet union) and a few protestants in Poland,France,Italy,Germany and many others…

      2. Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

      3. The pope is a Jesuit and they swear a oath to lie to the people and to love war and lie to get war. For such a war lover. Why wouldn’t he want us to have guns? OH AND BY THE WAY THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. THAT MEANS IT CANNOT BE TAKEN AWAY

      4. Misguided is an understatement. Does he not understand the religious war waging just outside his ivory tower. Tge maniacsin the middle east will find the vatican to be a soft target in the near future and then guess who will be buying weapons. And LOTS of them.

      5. Papa, if you really want to demonstrate your “trust”, then ditch your guards and your bullet proof popemobile. Lead by example…

      6. Pope Francis has actually snuck out of the Vatican a number of times without his guard because he says the Lord is his protection, so…

      7. He is gradually cleaning up his own back yard. News articles tell us that. We might be the greatest nation on earth, but duplicity is the name of the game here. I don’t particularly think that Jesus would teach us to be buying up guns to shoot people. You forget that other countries are not in favor of guns. Doesn’t make them wrong and us right. It is a matter of preference. I have always said, long before it became a big issue, that I don’t want to be around guns.

      8. EXACTLY, is he going to disarm all the guards at the Vatican? There are many.He is supporting the gun manufactures no matter what country he gets them from, he’s as corrupt as Government. He is clueless on Muslims wanting peace, they don’t want peace, this is their way of life. Radical Islam is all about controlling the population and taking over Government and they are moving right along with our Muslim sympathizer President and administration.

      9. The World will never be a safe and beautiful when you look to someone else’s backyard and telling what that person has to clean, instead of looking to your own backyard and sing what you should clean in your backyard. Be an example for others, give someone else a chance to learn from you.

      10. The Communist-cum-Peronist governments he supported as a “liberation theology” activist in Argentina – and STILL supports (La Emperatriz Cristina F. de Kirchner) – have held on to the reins and the whip thanks to weaponry. It took weapons to get rid of such dictators as Peron, Allende, Ceausescu, et al.

      11. I believe the Pope is a Socialist that was planted by the Muslims the same as Obama is. Anyone that would approve of what Hitler did. and stop people from defending themselves is a Devil in disguise. I believe in God and no one can take that from me but believe the Pope is out to destroy everything that mankind stands for with his Socialist ways. Any person that would want a One World Order is a Devil, and that describes the Pope.

      12. Amen, Why does he need armed guards for? He claims to be God’s right hand man. Bullets,knives,rocks, and everything else should have no effect!!! I guess the Catholics came to power using love instead? Go read a History book!

      13. The pope are we kidding!!! The leader of the biggest organized crime syndicate in the history of the world. The hypocrisy of this HUMAN socialist is incredible. Flying around in his air-conditioned jet, making sure immigrants don’t invade his palace, hiding trillions of dollars of stolen art and assets — all the while demanding us to open our boarders, sacrifice are income to help the poor he refuses to help. Hay, pope perhaps you should read the Bible about handouts. We should put down are arms to make some papal clown and mental idiot happy? No way, that why this country has a constitution, forged by people who reject the papal church and to prevent idiots like this from gaining control. No I’ll follow Jesus not some human socialist. Hay, pontif remember Jesus? He was the guy that dies on the cross and was raised on the third day. He was so rich he had no place to lay his head. Hay, hypocrite sell everything the church has and give it to the poor and follow Jesus. My guess is that this a political deal by a empty white suit and comical hat with global liberals to avoid the inplications of all the lawsuits against the church that would bankrupt this puppet pope who would have to sell Rome to pay the dept. The churches history of tranfering sexual predators in church to attack children is incontrovertible.

    2. It is unfortunate that he is telling this to children and young adults. With the Catholic history down through the ages they did not need guns to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people. They had their own style of murder and corruption and it was used in the name of God and fear. I don’t like to call him a hypocrite but they were and still masters at their craft.

      1. During the Dark Ages, the Catholic Church hierarchy became corrupt. The Spanish and French Inquisitions tortured and murdered many “heretics” and “witches” in the name of Jesus. That is why Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg, and the Protestant protesters against corruption of the Christian church began….later on, the Protestant Puritans also tortured and murdered people they believed to be witches.

        1. Actually the Lutherans and other Protestants killed many times more witches than the Catholics did in the 1500s and later. The inquisition actually cleared many more people of the charge of witchcraft than they found guilty.

          Don’t confuse one man’s opinion with the teachings of the Catholic Church. This was not an official pronouncement, so he was not speaking with the authority of the chair of st Peter.

          1. He was speaking of his opinion (maybe) but BEING the pope and in his robes he will be seen as speaking for the church. That is the same as me wearing my uniform and speaking my personal opinion of the government. Neither is right.

            1. Fair enough. But please don’t condemn the institution because of one man’s opinion. And he was speaking without invoking the authority of his office, so it is his opinion.

        2. The catholic church and the papacy was a Jew hating construct of Satan from it`s inception. Collecting and stockpiling demonic paraphernalia as well as every Babylonian doctrine they could absorb. To this day the vatican boasts the largest collection of false gods and demonic idols and images/symbols in the world. Even the hats worn by clergy are dagon fish god fish head hats…lol. They didn`t become corrupt durring the dark ages, they themselves were the beginning and source of the dark ages, with a lot of help from Satan.

          1. I agree Jim. I stand on this verse Luke 22:36 (KJV)

            36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

            The pope the false prophet deceiving his flock and bringing them all to damnation with him. If only they would OPEN and READ their Holy Bibles.

            1. Believe me, Catholics don’t all agree, and this is NOT an authoritative pronouncement. For the pope to speak authoritatively, he must invoke the authority of his office (Ex Cathedra) and pronounce that what he says is “de Fide” (of the faith). he has not done so. This is just Jorge Mario Bergolio (his birth name) expressing a poorly reasoned opinion.

        3. 1) The Dark Ages is an archaic term, that actually referred to the time between the fall of Rome and the 900s. And is not used by historians today.

          2) Martin Luther pre-dates the Inquisition, which was formed in response to the Protestant Reformation that Luther had a hand in starting.

          3) The vast majority of witch trials started roughly 200 years after Luther’s death. There were virtually none in Luther’s day. The heyday of witch trials was about 1650-1750 (ironically, the early days of the so-called Enlightenment).

          4) Luther’s theses were largely a response to excesses of the priests and monks, the sale of pardons, the concept of Purgatory, clerical celibacy, and a call for holding services and producing the Bible in the vernacular (the common language of the region).

          1. Luther would have been content for the Roman Catholic Church to acknowledge its wrongdoings and take corrective actions. The total breaking away from Rome was not his intent, and it only occurred as a result of Rome doubling down and refusing to even consider the problems Luther identified.

        1. No, the Pope does NOT represent God. If he did, he would actually follow the teachings of God, as detailed in the Bible. He wouldn’t promote, condone, and participate in paganism, blasphemy and corruption of the Word of God. The Pope is a fool, and an instrument of Satan, as is the Catholic Church.

          1. So just who translated the Bible? Yep, the Catholic Church. Who controlled the manuscripts? The Catholic Church.

        2. I am not Catholic and I am not trying to offend anyone, but,,,I don’t give two hoots what the Pope says or thinks.

    3. And what, pray tell, do the Swiss Guards have as alternates to the large “hatchets” they carry? Right! They have qa stock of automatic weapons and an armory full of ammunition to protect Pope Francis! Let Pope Francis be the first to disarm before he advises others to do so! Even Saint Peter, the first “pope”, carried a sword and cut-off the ear of one of Jesus’ captors when firearms were not invented as yet!

      1. This is the most relevant comment on this article as it completely exposes the Pope as a hypocrite. If he doesn’t want to be a hypocrite, he should get rid of his body guards and the Vatican guard.

      2. Well the papist claims you are not Christian if you support gun manufactures. So why is the Vatican Bank a large share holder of Beretta Gmbh stock ? What a hypocrite.

    4. I do trust GOD! It is people that do not follow the word of GOD that I distrust. I have had a pistol for 35+ years when a Sheriff first told me to carry. Since that time, I’ve been told by several other LEO’s in different areas of the law, that I need to carry. I have NEVER had to pull, show or use my weapon, thank GOD. I will continue to keep my weapon close, but my Bible is always kept closer. I have firm trust in GOD. There may be the day the devil sends someone to test my faith. I will offer Christ if there is time, if not, I will offer a bullet & pray the sinner will be okay and receive Christ.
      The Pope needs to check on his relationship with GOD as it does seem the devil is now influencing the Pope!

        1. Well said. I think being prepared to put up a strong defence detours others from sinning in the first place.

    5. I suppose Pope Francis thinks that if ISIS and other Muslim terrorists invade the Vatican, his Ceremonial Swiss Bodyguards can protect him ans the Vatican. If Christians disarm themselves, what kind of instrument are they going use to protect themselves from Foreign invaders? Keel in front of the invaders and say “mea culpa, Mea maxima culpa” and expect the invaders to have mercy on them? I think the Power granted to Pope Frances has clouded his intelligence, that is, he has any.

    6. Pope Francis, there was some bombing of the railroads. The allies learned that the average time of disruption was 24 hrs. The thought was that the best thing to do was end the war as soon as possible and that bombing the rail lines would only prolong the war. It may surprise you to learn that concentration camps weren’t located close to one another as one easy target, some even out of range of Allied bombers………Maybe you should confine your lectures to the Catholic Priests who cooperated with the Nazis, and there were many.

      1. yes, the Vatican did not do much to stop the enslavement and killing of Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, Slavic peoples, and others whom Nazi Germany conscripted into slave labor in those camps. Later on, as Germany began losing the war and the German army was running low on food, many of those in the camps died of starvation. I suspect many of the deaths in the camps were from disease and starvation, rather than systematic murder, though certainly many died of xyclon-B gas and other methods of disposal. “War is Hell,” as Union General William Tecumseh Sherman said while burning Atlanta.

      2. …not to mention…that many historians are pointing to the bombing of the supply lines into many of these “camps” which caused the massive starvation and die off….of which…the carefully selected pictures of “the holocaust” were put on
        display for generations to see….and for a new narrative to be shaped…death not brought on by the allies…but death camps that were established as the after-battle-public relations-engine fired up….to blame the Germans…

    7. Lets put this idiot in perspective.

      1. he is native to Argentina, a socialist country that imported a large quantity of Nazi National Socialists after WWII when they needed to escape punishment in Europe

      2. He is an admitted socialist and Jesuit priest who took a vow of poverty — and tells other people to cast off their love of comfort and become like the poor. Yet, he lives surrounded by priceless art in Marble lined halls and gold gilded furnishings. He wears prada shoes and only the finest robes while being catered to in the manner of some potentate. His personal jet literally takes his hypocrisy to new heights.

      He has a private army of gaudily garbed mercinaries, as well as a standard uniformed unit .. all armed with GUNS. He also has the Vatican Police, again armed with GUNS. He does NOT sell the holdings of the Vatican to redistribute to the poor. He does NOTHING to actually practice what he preaches. After all, that would require giving up the life to which he wants to be accustomed.

      Only people with no common sense would listen to this man who has sold his soul and dignity for the trappings of religious power. I’m surprised that he hasn’t yet changed his title from Pontiff to CZAR of the Roman Catholic Church.

      1. Sorry guys your barking to the wrong tree.

        1) Yes he is Argentinian, and yes is ‘leftish’ (less than media said, more then the predecessors) but isn’t a ‘marxist’ at all he fought against south-american ‘liberation theology’ thesis that were THE MARXISTS, and against the military Junta of the time.

        2) RAWNG, he have abolished many garments and dresses, neither the ring is from gold, and blasted the Roman clergy for richness doesn’t have ‘prada shoes’ (this was attributed to the predecessors but egually false) and yes italian goverment gives him ‘transport’, but not with personal jets or things like that. For the ‘art’ well we cannot tore down 1000 years of art for the sake of moralism.

        3) Vatican Guard is armed, Vatican guards are detached from the Swiss Army, Vatican Police is armed. Is it a Great contradiction? Actually no, because the Pope talked about ‘building and selling weapons that fuels wars’ and ‘investing in weapon trading’ (as investors not as ‘gun owners’ as this article intended) he talks to Christian Entrepreneurs not to ‘law abiding citizens with carry permit’ in Italy there is not 2A then is quite difficult that something like will be even remotely recalled.

        Guys i’m not completely happy with many things the Pope said about economics, but mischaracterization is not my creed. You are talking about an article in Italian ‘chopping pieces’ without reading everything.

      2. phil, the pope lives in a small apartment ,not in the vatican,drives his own car, and has been to the households of the poor, jews and muslims alike ,prostitutes and homosexuals are all welcomed by him. He is the best pope in a long while, The vatican is also a state,and as such, has to deal with the politics of that state.Remember he is humane ,not a god,so many people including the church hierarchy, have made the church more important then the faith,i dont agree with alot of what the church puts up, they are rules made by man ,not god. So i might suggest you do some research, about this pope, and not jump on the band wagon,opinions are much better supported by facts.

        1. The 1st pope to condone homosexuality? Best pope huh?
          All it takes is a little spiritual discernment to know this pope
          doesn’t Know God’s will… Could he possibly be the false
          Prophet? Could be…he does align himself with an anti-Christ!

    8. Seems to me it was the Catholic church that was helping all those NAZI escapees like Eichmann get false papers and get transport to South America at the end of WWII, wasn’t it? Not actually the Allies at all, in fact, THEY were trying to catch them. It was also the Pope and his church that went along with Mussolini’s fascist government without raising a ruckus, right? Hmmmnnn….Does that mean that maybe ALL the Popes are essentially socialists at heart? And what about the Crusades? Didn’t they involve lots of Christians, at the Pope’s urging, making and carrying, weapons to go fight Muslims for control of the Holy Land? Hmmmnnn…Indeed!

    9. Well then..how Christian is HE for riding around in that bullet proof vehicle or box?? I respect his position, however it is NOT he who is MY Judge. It’s not the weapon which performs the ill deed, it’s the mind of/person using it.

      1. Pope Fransis doesn’t use the pope mobile and never has, despite taking on the Italian mafia. It was one of the first things he got rid of. He’s also the first pope in over a hundred years not to live in the papal apartments. So you might want to rethink that statement.

    10. Even though a person is purported to be a “representative of God” doesn’t mean he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a preposterous thing for the Pope to say!

    11. His Holiness says owning a gun is NOT Christian and that the Greatest Generation was complicit in their response to Hitler’s genocide—I wonder how he expected them to respond? With kind words? Thank God they had guns to destroy the sick animal.

    12. I was raised Catholic…my light came on !!..Why do Catholics vote with liberals and then preach against abortion…Just what the world needs is a Liberal Pope telling us how to live a responsible life…The clergy has done nothing to stop all
      the sexual rot of priests and ministers raping and abusing the innocent worldwide….ISIS loves gun free zones as do
      thugs of all types…I will keep my weapons…you can have your money grubbing religion…Amen.

    13. I was just wondering these things myself. Does he walk down the street without security? Does he not have people with firearms protecting him? He is kinda like our president. Guns should not be in schools when his children’s school is protected by firearms. Is his children more important than ours? Kinda like a double standard of life. He wants to control ours, but we have no control of his. My last question is this, WHAT IS HE AFRAID OF THAT WE SHOULDN’T BE AFRAID OF ALSO?

      1. Condemning “those who invest in weapons industry” is not the same as saying a Christian can’t own guns. This is an exagerrated, alarmist headline. We have enough real enemies without this sort of sensationalism. The Pope’s staements are dubious, but not what they are being made out to be here.

    14. Interesting comment coming from a Jesuit who is the military part of the Vatican. I think the Vatican shouldn’t have guns or armed men. If we don’t need protection, then neither does the Pope.

      1. Jesuits are not armed , nor are they military. Like all religious, they are forbidden to engage in armed conflict.
        All references to the Jesuits as the Pope’s “soldiers” is purely metaphorical.

    15. The one man on earth who is furthest from being a true Christian tells people what a true Christian is! The papacy is the spirit of antichrist. I pray that our Lord will save this man from his sin and alienation from the true God.

    16. Hey pope, I am a Christian Minister and I own rifles and a handgun. If you don’t like it, shut your mouth. You are not God. You are a rambling fool in a white gown and funny looking head gear.

    17. You must always first look to God our Heavenly Father for aid; who made us in the likeness of his own body. The ruler over all things visible and invisible. You should not put your faith first in guns alone but in God first. Then we turn to ourselves to solve the problem. God uses us to act in his stead. It’s called beatitudes, Charity, Love, and Goodness.

    18. Unbelievable! Pope says if you own a gun you’re not a Christian and yet a few sentences down he asks Why the railroads weren’t bombed during WW2. Talk about straddling the fence and a double-standard.
      I just lost any respect I had for this man.

      1. The pope is a Jesuit (kind of like Nazi SS), and is actually the “black pope”, meaning that he participates in 9th circle blood rituals there at the Vatican. He stepped in when the previous one “retired” and has notably not stepped outside of Vatican City… has to do with sex trafficking and murder of minors, and laundering of priests. It is said that “Francis” isn’t really a pope at all.
        What a lot of people don’t seem to understand is that all the money the Federal Reserve takes in through the IRS goes to Britain, and from there to the Vatican. We have no need for this crud!
        Ignore the twit!

    19. Tell the head of the largest child sex abuse company in the world to pound sand.I’d like to see him come and try to take my gun.He’d eat lead as would anyone else who tried.

    20. Why is it everytime a good man tries to strive for peace he is either killed or muzzled ………any of you morons got an answer for that?

    21. Jesus told the disciples “if you have no sword sell your close and buy one”. Christ was a proponent of self defense against mob rule. However he also said “Render unto Ceaser that which is Ceasers and unto God that which is God’s”.
      So I take it that we should all be well armed law abiding citizens. Until our government infringes on our freedom of religion. Then use the weapons Christ told us to buy to over throw them.

    22. My dad was one of the squad that hammered on the door of the Vatican in 1944 and told them they had been liberated. Pope Pius XII gave my dad a private blessing.
      I’m pretty sure he was carrying a Garand rifle and Pius XII did not condemn him for it.

    23. I’ve criticized Pope Francis strongly for the environmental encyclical but you guys are mis-characterizing this message and not reading the entire thing, especially for the fact that spoke in Italy in Italian language that i seriously doubt you understand. The Pope said that ‘Is hypocrisy to be Christian while selling weapons that fuels wars’ and those who ‘invest’ in weapons are not ‘gun owners’ but financial institution. There is nothing about the 2A or other stuff.

      Then tell me that is Christian selling weapons to war-torn countries because if is it so, i should have some problem with interpretation of Christianity that surely doesn’t preach the ‘hippyness’ but neither is a cult of warmongers.

    24. And the Pope should be the one to talk about complicity with the Nazis?

      Where’s Vatican City located? Rome, Italy.

      What was one of the three countries that was among the Tripartite Pact forming the Axis powers? Italy.

      What were the two other countries? Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany.

      He’s accusing the United States and the Allied Powers of complicity in the most ridiculous manner imaginable when Italy was an actual ally with the Nazis!

      IMO, he shouldn’t be the one to talk.

    25. Disarm the police and the military and the people will keep their guns polished as souvenirs of a bygone age.

    26. The title of this article is dishonest click-bait. The headline claims the Pope said that you aren’t a Christian if you own a gun. He didn’t say that. If he did, he would have been quoted in the article. I don’t like the politics of the Pope and I’m not defending his statements on gun manufacturers, but I do think that it is intellectually dishonest to condemn the man for things he didn’t say or imply.

    27. Let us pray for him. I think he genuinely means well and has his heart in the right place, I really do, but pray for his mind to be in accordance with his heart.

    28. “It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

      He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

      The Vatican Bank is the main shareholder in ‘Pietro Beretta’ arms…


    29. Pope lives in secure world , not the rest of the world. Exodus says that thieves in the night , kidnappers , murderers , are all punishable by death. A firearm is just a mechanism for this.

    30. I’d be more impressed with the Pope’s opposition to weapons if he called for all Catholics to resign from all militaries and police forces around the world first.

    31. So it’s ok to be gay and suck each others dick, but it’s not ok to own a legal firearm to defend your family.

    32. Why are people so outraged about his comments regarding WW2. Where he’s from is irrelevant. It doesn’t affect the statement he made in any way. He’s also correct. Do people not know or understand that this is historical fact; it’s not new information. We knew about this. It’s a matter of public record. The first report we ever had about mass killings in Auschwitz came in 1940. We passed it off as exaggeration and spent the next four years refusing to believe whatever rumors we hears and our own surveillance. We didn’t actually believe the stories until 1944 – four years later when two escaped Jewish Prisoners brought us proof in the form of long, detailed documents. And even then it was deemed “impractical” to strike at the camp and the railway lines because we couldn’t be sure of our own accuracy. So we did very very little to help the inmates of the camps for pretty much the entire war. Again – we knew – we did nothing. That’s the definition of complacency. The question is, why does the writer of this article not know this? Do writers not bother to do research any more? This information is not hard to find. I’ve known about it since I was a teenager. As for the gun issue, that tired well worn cliche “guns don’t kill people – people kill people” is not a decent argument any more when the greatest country in the world is losing lives with multiple massacres. Everyone else is getting with the program, the UK, Australia.. we’ve all done it and it worked out fine.. we’re just kind of waiting for the penny to drop with you guys. Must be a loooooong long fall.

      1. I’ll just touch on one part of your comment, Australia; Yeah, we’ve seen what an abysmal failure their disarmament program has been. The citizens are now demanding they be allowed to have their guns back. Same with the UK.

    33. I’m Catholic and have been very concerned with the Ideology of Pope Francis. After this last Encyclical, and his remark that “gun owners are not Christian”, it’s time to consider my options. My church has a lot of explaining to do…

      On the matter of World War II and the allies, he doesn’t even mention the Church’s involvement with hiding and relocating thousands of top SS officers throughout Latin America and the Middle East… There is plenty of blame to go around.

    34. Vatican Bank is the main shareholder in ‘Pietro Beretta’ arms http://whale.to/c/vatican_bank1.html
      THE GAS CHAMBERS HOAX http://whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html
      Pope Francis and Argentina’s Military Junta’s Policy of Mass Assassinations http://www.globalresearch.ca/pope-francis-and-argentinas-military-juntas-policy-of-mass-assassinations/5327398

      “Bergoglio’s own statements proved church officials knew from early on that the junta was torturing and killing its citizens”, and yet publicly endorsed the dictators. “The dictatorship could not have operated this way without this key support,”

      Catholicism and Nazis http://whale.to/c/religious_church_and_nazis.html

    35. Hypocrite Pope. Then how does the Swiss Guard protect the Vatican and the Pope from invasion??? I can tell you its not faith alone! Unbelievable. Then again my Pope is the lord GOD alone!

    36. I’ve only ever been to the Vatican City once in my life, back in the early 80’s. Now I don’t know what they were offhand, but the Swiss Guard were definitely carrying rifles outside. They were full auto’s as well. I saw the wording “Raffica” on them. So they were Italian wording on them and full auto. 😉 When they disarm I MAY consider it….NOT! :p

    37. Wait, was it OK for the Catholic Church to support taking up arms against Hitler by supporting the armed resistance, although they officially took the position of neutrality? It all sounds a bit hypocritical to me. I could be wrong. I am just asking, and was it the Catholic Church that organized at least one or two of the Crusades? I don’t know but from my vantage point, I just think this isn’t real wise for the Pope to make such statements about. Maybe he is right, I don’t know, my gut just says he shouldn’t go out there and accuse those who may someday be the ones who produce the tools to save his church.

    38. I think the Pope has been hitting the wine bottle to much lately. I could be wrong but after he met with Barry Hussein Soetoro his thinking made a drastic left turn. The Devil must have made an impression on the Pope.

    39. Christianity should and must always be “A Critique” of all ideologies and “gods.” Taken with this as a back-drop, it is understandable and, in fact, perfectly appropriate for Francis (speaking in his position as a religious visionary) to question whether it is problematic for Christians to be in the business of manufacturing weaponry. A call to the world to be as it SHOULD BE, as it was intended to be, Not necessarily as it is, nor even, practically speaking, can be at this juncture of history. Recall: Isaiah 2:4-5: ” And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.” We do not live, yet, in the perfect world dreamed of in the visions of Isaiah, but it is certainly a vision worth striving for, is it not? Don’t get confused by thinking a religious leader is speaking practically and politically. For example, How irritating is to our sense of fairness and justice that Jesus told the parable of the Vineyard owner (Mt.20:1-16) hiring workers late in the day and then giving them the same pay. The spiritual vision Jesus was expressing in that parable has nothing to do with how a business owner should run a business and pay employees. It IS about anyone who works for The Kingdom of Heaven, whether they have been it it for a LOOOOONG time or new to the toil will receive the same reward. Just a caution to remember the context of a spiritual leader who is calling us to a HIGHER GOOD, a vision of a world where guns will not be needed, and the sun will be no more….. (IS 60:18-20 and Rev 22:5) because the Lord himself will be our Light….I can still be inspired by Francis and his call/reminder of ETERNAL TRUTH and recognize the unfortunate necessity of gun ownership and weapon building in this sinful world. I pray and wish it will be otherwise but for now, we must be prepared to fight the demons that would destroy the vineyard (The Kingdom of God). Remember spiritual leaders (and all of scripture for that matter) point us to WHY (call us to our essence), but don’t necessarily offer a blueprint on HOW here and now.

    40. This is why Jews do not have a Pope. He is supposed to represent all Catholics worldwide, no matter how stupid his ideas and comments. Most Catholics are embarrassed by some of his latest rhetoric–but he’s the Pope, and they won’t criticize him.

      The Jews have a Chief Rabbi of Israel–and 98% of Jews do not even know his name or give a damn what he says. That is the correct way to consider a so called, “Religious Leader.”

    41. He talks out of both sides of his rectal mouth!
      1st he speaks against guns but then at the end he wonders why the Allies didn’t bomb the trains which likely were carrying the Jews to the concentration camps.
      He most certainly has never read a real set of The Scriptures or in them he might have read…
      Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
      Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

    42. What a joke… this is the reason why I stop going to church and i will never support the Catholic church as institution, pointing that gun owners are the monsters while they keep covering for the pedophiles that form part of their ranks, dismissing reports, conducting their “own” investigations, moving the priests to new places where not one knows them and paying millions to people in order to make it look like they care…

    43. You’re not christian if your throne is worth enough to end world hunger & all you do is sit on it & pontificate.

    44. I don’t call myself Catholic, and would gladly say so but I do believe in GOD, but do not believe in institutions built by MAN. The hypocrisy of the Catholic Church, and this Pope is unbelievable. The Vatican has been complicit and turned a blind eye during WWII and throughout history. I heard on the radio this morning on KPFT (Houston) how this woman left the church after this leftist Bishop came her church years ago and said “we” American’s don’t deserve the standard of living we currently enjoy. The woman was obviously heart-broken but left the church she felt that this was not her values, and why do we need to be apologetic about being American, how being American we are not true Catholics. Just my 2 cents, it’s “Check your Hypocrisy” time ya’ll.

      1. Grow the hell up, if giving the pope a couple boys to keep his mind off things he knows nothing about? Really, you don’t understand a word of this conversation and beliefs, interpretation or opinions. This was about a conversation the pope had with a group of kids, our family is Catholic and let me say before all the attacks come, I take what I believe and leave what I dont, there is no specific religion for how I interpret things. Being Christian is believing in God or for others a Higher power, if you want to throw around the priest little boys comments why don’t you line up every pedophile and ask their religion? Besides you sound like an idiot just wanting to chime in on this very interesting forum, reading through these I’m seeing a lot of things I’m not sure I like and other things I’m confident I do, I’m writing down questions as I’m reading these opinions interpretation of research etc. So I can look these things up myself. For anyone knowing anything about students born into the catholic faith don’t have any choice in baptism reconciliation first communion next comes confirmation, I’m glad to say when I was growing up we had no choice in that eithe it was just done our parents decision just as it was their parents so on,, however, our diocese has changed the age and teachings of the past and progressively to current beliefs which like I said I take with me what I need and leave the beliefs that I don’t at church, our kids now spend 3 yrs reading the bible debating back and forth opinions or what and how each of them interpret each part, then in 11th grade age 16 or most 17, instead of 12 or 13 for me and others before me, they spend a good part of those 3 yrs deciding if the catholic faith is what they want, our diocese feels 8th grade is to young to devote yourself to a faith you really at that age know nothing about, I’m learning a lot reading your reply and comments and questioning the history of Catholic Church. My son who is doing his 2nd year of confirmation class knows a whole lot about Catholics and the Jews, the Holocaust, and other things I didn’t know and was completely shocked as I read some of them! I will be looking into lots of these topics, my son still has another year and a half of class to make what I will let be his decision, but again, the idiot about sexual abuse find them all get your information before throwing idiotic statements out there by going off of something in a newspaper article….you caught the headline of! I have a foster child that was sexual abused and it had nothing to do with religion but so you know she’s 6 yrs old and jewish, abused by a prominent member of the jewish community she came from. Done with all that, we all have some type of gun in our family girls included we all learned to shoot pellet guns on up to 22 on upward, we use ours for pheasant mostly, bows with arrows for deer or rifle for elk. …either or for turkey, we eat what we kill, ya we can go to the local grocery store but why when we have our kills, out of 9 kids 5 girls and 4 boys all but 2 have hand guns, 4 have permits to carry, out of the 9 of us we don’t all agree on who or why or what kind of guns we have, so how can one person say we aren’t Christian. On of my sisters would agree, she can go stand with the pope behind his army, the rest of us will keep our guns for hunting and recreational purposes, if one happens to be protecting our home and loved ones so be it. That’s my take on the gun issue now I’m going to research the catholic church’s role in ww2 the holocaust and other information I’ve received on here thank you all for opening my eyes to different points of view I can make sure my son knows what research I’ve found and can ask our priest at class, I believe this is a class lesson that is needed, I’m also curious to know how our priest explains explicit questions he may not even know himself but I think it’s important for all religions to know their history, for instance if I research and find some type of proof Catholics helped Hitler, I’m really not sure I want anything to do with it? Yes that many yrs back will influence my decisions and when my son chosen his path I hope it’s the right one for him, I may be a separate entity believing in God, my own God leaving others to believe in theirs.

    45. Just a reminder to the “Pope”…. I AM a Christian, and I DO own a weapon. I think that makes me a better Christian, one that protects his family and home. I say I’m a Christian but you say you are Catholic…… why is that?

    46. ya & he’s should know right? Lol, obv., he’s working for the wrong team & he’ll go down with it or more than likely drag thousands, if not millIons, to the Lake Of Fire roasting in Hell forever! Being a false teacher I’m sure Lucifer/Satan will be more than thrilled that he brought so many souls with him, but we know that the Devil will NEVER EVER share his power, throne & much in the way these people deceive others with promises they’ll never keep, Satan will also stab them in the back once he gets all he needs from his pawns
      thanks for posting this!

    47. Who does this man think he is? Pope or not, who is he to judge us? Jesus said, “Judge not unless thou want to be judged yourselves.” I don’t see this pope as Christ himself. I am Christian My self I believe and have accept Jesus in my mind, heart and soul and i do of what the Lord wishes for me to do not what man wants me to do. I personally do not own a gun for one reason, I do not have a gun cabinet to keep it it and away from my two young boys. Although, I do agree on owning a weapon if it be a gun, knife or any type of weapon to protect yourself and your family to those in which you do not trust. I do not agree with this pope and i am not Catholic, there are many different types of religions but there is still only one God and one Christ and I believe in them only.

    48. Maybe he should worry more about the child molesters in his ranks then law abiding gun owners. It looks like he is just another left wing loonie with a title

    49. When is he going to condemn the old pope and his priest for blessing the “Nazi War Machine?” There are pictures of these events taking place. Pictures exist of blessing tanks and fighter planes. There is also documented writings of this taking place. If Hitler was a Catholic, why wasn’t he excommunicated? If this isn’t an outwardly sign of a False religion, then nothing is false. Have you noticed that many of their members wear a “CROSS” around their necks. I ask this of all honest hearted people, if Jesus were killed by a 357 magnum, would the Catholics wear a 357 magnum around their necks? What about a Bow and Arrow, what about a Machete? It’s a cross they wear because it was a false idol long before the Catholic religion even existed and Satan is still keeping it (the cross) alive now for thousands of years. It like flaunting his power in the front of all it’s members and particularly God, as to say, “look at all the control I keep among many many peoples. I, shouldn’t I be God? Search Google for photos of Catholic priest blessing Hitler’s arms and armies. It’s appalling to people who honor truth and worship the true God and his Son Jesus ,”The Messiah”

    50. Um – reality check ok?? Maybe switch to some decaf folks. He didn’t say you are not a Christian! He is talking about Christians being involved in the arms industry creating distrust. Just relax and DISCUSS something for once will you instead of gnashing the teeth and tearing your clothes try to UNDERSTAND the other side? I’m a proud shooter and gun owner but the US stats for deaths is bad. 2/3rds of them are from suicide. WE want to be able to talk about issues that concern us – but don’t want to act mature and listen to the other side about their issues? Those of us who are Christians need to follow Jesus first (and He said ENOUGH btw in Luke after it was used in violence) and the apoplectic seizures of many paranoid conservatives (I am a conservative) second. A lot of you seem very happy with the verse from Luke, while completely ignoring Matthew chapters 5-7.

    51. The Catholic Church knew of the holocaust & refused to help the Jews. I am aware a few priests did against Vatican instruction. The church was asked to pass on the information of the holocaust by Gerstle & others, but where is the evidence that the church did? I suspect Gerstle was refused out of fear (personal & loss of property for the church) and that he was in the SS, but he was a Christian who infiltrated the Nazi’s. There is a case to be made about the Allied response, but the church’s repentance for their own grave sins should precede identifying others’.

    52. one pope gets shot and look what happens….

      frances needs to ask the faithful in america about whether or not they enjoy hunting and how soon they want to relinquish their guns. and, btw, when is frances going to have the swiss guard give up all their firearms?

    53. So the Pope is now a Politician?? Did the Bible not say the follwing (and these are only a few quotes there are more) makes you wonder what book he is studying ???

      2 Chronicles 32:5
      And he took courage and rebuilt all the wall that had been broken down and erected towers on it, and built another outside wall and strengthened the Millo in the city of David, and made weapons and shields in great number.

      Numbers 31:3-5
      Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the LORD’S vengeance on Midian. “A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.” So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.

      Jeremiah 46:4

      “Harness the horses, And mount the steeds, And take your stand with helmets on! Polish the spears, Put on the scale-armor!

    54. The allies couldn’t make it that far into and out of enemy territory to bomb. Remember, the camps were towards the East. The allies DID however, lose a lot of good men bombing as far as they could.
      You know who WAS complicit with the Nazis? The VATICAN. Clean up your own house, Pope-dumbass. Start with that GIANT armory in your own basement. And crack a history book once in a while.

    55. Come on now. Everyone “knows” there is “nothing” Christian about the Catholic Church. It consists of rituals and talking to a person behind the old curtain. I suppose none of them read the New Testament yet. Jesus tore the curtain completely down separating us from God. No need for someone to “confess” to, unless you just enjoy all that bs.

    56. That’s neither what he said nor what he implied. You have to use your head if you want to engage in such discussions.

    57. The leader of the mafia that has killed more people than any other organization. A man that has armed bodyguards wants guns removed from the common man?? He should stick with the “condoms are a sin” campaign and leave us the hell alone.

    58. “Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)?” Well, now wait a minute Mr. Pope. What happened to your comment that, “people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” Yet, no doubt it was some Christian people who manufactured those bombs you wanted dropped on the railways.

      And before you start pointing fingers, I believe you better do some research on the Catholic Church and its role during World War II (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican55.htm).

      Sounds like the Pope is losing it…..

      Sounds like the Pope is losing it…

    59. Context people. The Pope did not say “gun makers” – the context of this conversation was a long series of talks on WMD. People who make weapons (of mass destruction) are not good Christians.

    60. So all the body guards the Pope has are not Christians. Or if it’s the Pope that owns all those guns, what would this mean?

    61. This has gotta be a joke right? April fools in June? I don’t know about you guys, but I’m really disgusted with this false prophet having power over so many individuals. He is condemning us for something that we had nothing to do with. This false prophet says it’s not Christian to own a gun, yet he completely denounced the Bible, and the creation of the Heavens and the Earth which was God’s greatest gift to us. He said, “When we read in Genesis the account of Creation, we risk imagining that God was a magician, with such a magic wand as to be able to do everything.” Now I’m not a Biblical Professor or anything, but I think it’s pretty clear when God says he created the Heavens and the Earth, and everything in it. The Pope is supposed to be the Holy of Holies, yet he is leading his flock astray, now that to me just proves that this man is evil, and definitely shouldn’t be the leader of an entire religion. We the people were given the right to bear arms, so that under any tyranny or invasion we have the means to protect ourselves. I do believe that they should have a strict mental evaluation before letting certain individuals purchase firearms, but our Commander and Chief, and the Pope together are trying to strip the very rights we were given when we became America. We can’t let this happen people, once they take our arms, then they take our freedom. Take what Hitler did to heart, because this is happening as we speak my friends. God Bless

    62. Pope Francis is a very good man, and he believes everything the Church teaches, including the doctrines of just war and the teaching that it’s perfectly moral to defend your home, own guns, etc. Don’t just take my word for it, go research this. Try to drop any bias you may have for the moment, and learn about him. Even if he wasn’t a good person, he’s highly intelligent. Would he really come out in direct opposition to a teaching of a faith he has been named the visible head of? No, he would not. Check out this brief, but fantastic, explanation of what the man is trying to convey here:


    63. The headline on this article was deliberately misleading. That was not what he said or implied. Quit trying to whip up more animosity. By the way, I am not Catholic, nor even a Christian.

    64. Since the Vatican is a major stockholder in the Beretta Gun company… I guess the Pope just admitted that the Catholic Church isn’t Christian

    65. This POS coward who wrote this didn’t have the guts to put his name to it. I don’t believe this because the Pope’s words are always twisted around to fit a specific agenda.

    66. Vatican II is “jewish”. Look at the frequency on this page – see bottom and compare to rest of history http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/malachy.htm

      A real Jew is a Judean. Judea was destroyed in 70-135 AD. Today we have in the Israeli-Palestine conflict a “jewish” occupation upon people who are closer descendants of the original Judeans. Zionism is a political manifestation of a now ancient religious belief of “we are the chosen ones”. New Testament saids there is no difference between Jew and Gentile however that is rejected by Judiasm and Zionism. Sad part is there are Christian Zionists. Sighs. Also after hundreds of years of infiltration the Catholic Church was finally subdued at the French Revolution in which world “jewry” started and won. Said revolution is also touted as a the model for modern democracy and what is accepted these days. So if you like the 4 Non Blondes song from 1993 – What is Going on? then herein you may have an answer to the root of the cause.

      1. The Pope is just another guy with an opinion unless he is speaking infallibility about Church doctrine. He does not speak for me or the other hundreds of millions of Christians or Catholic Christians. I cannot help it if he is wrong, and don’t have to give a darn about his thoughts…even though he does not have his head right about this issue. I will continue to put my faith in Christ, and keep my guns in case they are needed. The Founding Fathers included the Second Amendment not to promote the sport of shooting or hunting, but to provide the people a means to protect themselves from an oppressive government or from criminals intent on doing harm.

    67. I love the comments. Keep spouting ignorance. I am a gun owner and non-Catholic. ALL of your comments are logical fallacies, from the transport of Nazis to the Swiss Guard are irrelevant to THIS Pope’s progressive stances. As many have said, the pope is anti-war, and anti military industry. Most of you are extremely ignorant. This is the real shame.

    68. It is so sad to see how much hate is out there, these posts show this hate for me and my christian faith. I do not have the time, and if I did it would be believed, to dispute all the liberal lies that I am reading about the Catholic Church. If you would do some REAL research instead of being a parrot for someone else you might learn something. I cannot give that to you, only you can want to learn the truth. It is so said to see my brother and sister christians hating other christians. This is dividing us and destroy us, you will lose, we will lose and the evil one will win. If you doubt what I am saying look at Europe today and what the Muslims are able to do.

      By the way the Pope was speaking his opinion, he was not speaking for the church. I do not agree with his opinion on this or many other things, that doesn’t change my faith, just that I don’t agree with the person who is the Pope.

    69. I am surprised with all of the Theologians posting on this article… I am sure you all know the scripture way better then the Pontiff… You can not take Christ and make him a political item…or…you can not take what the Pope states and make it into a political item…You guys are forming Christianity around YOUR lifestyle NOT what Jesus had taught….it is too bad that politics are taking what the Pope stated out of context, think about it…we are manufacturing newer weapons.

    70. The pope and vatican are protected by men with machine guns. Hypocrite comes to mind with the pope. If you can have men with machine guns protecting you, I can have a gun to protect my family. BTW, Pontiff Moron, the Holocaust was stopped by men with guns. You are making yourself meaningless.

    71. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH… go Pope!!!!!! I love watching you get thir panties in a twist… YAYE!!!!! someone smart in their leader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just keeps laughing my way off this joke of a website

    72. I’m sure the Vatican doesn’t do any business with any gun manufacturers. Nor do they have any stockpile of weapons of any kind. I mean, being that they are their own city with their own fortress,I’m sure they aren’t using any guns of any kind to protect themselves.

      Oh wait!


    73. Vatican Bank is the main shareholder in ‘Pietro Beretta’ arms

      Bomb the railway lines to Auschwitz ? with what ? EVIL bomb weapons, oh the horror !

      but he is right I am not a Christian. I am a Pagan. Please DO NOT confuse Pagan with Pacifist, it can get you killed

    74. Finely a pope. worthy of the role. You all know that Jesus said turn the other cheek What do you think that means “carry a gun”? Some christian pastors are their just to confirm others believe and get tax free money in the USA. If your just protecting yourself you only need one gun if at all. And why are you murdering African Americans. Now that is not christian at all. Your idjets which is my short term for idiots. Short in the length of time to say it.

    75. I believe Pope Francis was reiterating or paraphrasing scripture – those who are not familiar with scripture may very well take what he said out of its context to suit your own gains—whether it be manufacturing/profiteering or whatever you will surely see/view it as ?a slap in the face for all – (good and bad) but I for one don’t see it that way—my suggestion/advise to the “nay sayers” is to read scripture. It is all about what you want to believe.

    76. The pope wouldn’t know a Christian if he saw one. And if he did he would have their head cut off or burnt at the stake! That is why so many people think he is the Anti-Christ. Just think he says 1st day of the week vs the 7th day! Two God beings “let us make man” vs a trinity. Christ states call no man father, pope is called holy father which is blasphemous on and on it can go.

      1. Seventh day a hole fanatic detected…..look at your stupid and false profetress(Helen White) that XXXX who said the world would come to an end in 1845…then,failed,again in 1878…and more and more fiascoes…and you do not believe some of your (millionaires) pastors also committed pedophiles and others sexual (sins) crimes?…

      2. Protestants don’t consider Catholics as Christians because they pray to Virgin Mary instead of to God. They have an idol of her in their churches.

    77. You know we talk about our leaders but the more I hear about this guy he sounds like a fruit cake also is this a time of choosing bad people to lead sounds like a liberal to me how can he point his finger at someone else

    78. A very interesting and informative discussion. Unfortunately, all it proves to me is that people will interpret scripture to suit and justify their own opinions. Let me quote, not scripture, but a very wise man who said “Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof. …John Kenneth Galbraith

      1. I’m all for someone judiciously speaking their mind and standing by their convictions but it has to be asked whether if Pope Francis doesn’t stop pulling punches he may become too spiritual to be any part of organized religion!

    79. This Pope is either stupid or a liar. Anyone that’s researched the Holocaust story for more than a half hour knows it’s untrue. See CODOH, or One Third of the Holocaust on You Tube.

    80. Misleading title. Looks like he is saying if human effort is the only think you believe in, you are not Christian. Big difference.

    81. The Pope is right on this. I’m surprise to see so many Christians fighting over this. Christianity gone mad.

    82. The Pope needs guns to protect him, but he doesn’t own a gun. Does that not make him a hypocrite? He is right, but he is unrealistic in his thinking. This could be an oxymoron.

    83. “It is surely an upside down world when the representative of G* on earth disparages the right to self defense”

      I must have missed the part of the New Testament where Jesus said to spray bullets at anyone who slapped me on the cheek.

    84. I am really surprised at the amount of hated, disrespect and stupidity in most of these posts. I am not a Christian and I certainly do not agree with everything that the popes over the years have said or done, but come on people, this is the religious leader of over one billion people. He deserve some respect in the tone and nature of the comments posted. I happen to think he is right in this case, but that is not the point. It seems from these posts that civility and common decency are part of the antithesis of gun ownership. You have made the case for the Pope in your comments. You should not have guns — you are obviously too out of control and filled with hate to be owning a gun. You are a menace, quite obviously.

      1. He does not speak for me nor does he help the Christians dying at the hands of Daesh. We are not filled hate we are tired of being sold out ” by compromise” , taxed to poverty so mob rule economics can give poor people everything, since they lazy . Why doesn’t the Pope feed the hungry in America so Uncle Sam doesn’t have to tax me at effective tax rate of 22% . Federal government needs to get out of the minimum wage debate and let businesses run,

    85. Lmmfao, boy these devils tryin oh so hard to get our guns….. outta here…only the sheeple will fall for this bs..

      “For freedom Christ has set us free,stand firm therefor and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery”
      That comes from Galatians 5:1
      The only consolation I have to the observation I’m about to make and the only recourse I have, is the one phrase which always brings me back to balance, spoken by the “One” I love the most , “Pray for your enemies”. Returning to the ‘ Command’ to not be entangled with the yoke of bondage, I’ve always known the “turning (of) the other cheek” was an exhortation to win over your enemy with the ‘Love of Christ’ . That is, that was an exhortation to the individual to win one over or give up your life to win one over, not for the nation to lay down arms in that effort, for that leads to mass suicide and mass murder and suicide is a sin in and of itself and the laying down of the Nations Arms would lead as well to the murder of your ‘children’ ,which we are exhorted to protect and care for or we are “worse than an infidel”. Whatever is not done by Faith is sin . “Whoever does not provide for his family is worse than an infidel”,… Therefore to not ‘provide’ for your children’s safety is the an act of cowardice and therefore not of Faith and is therefore “Sin”. That lack of reacting to an attack upon your children would be one of the worst ‘sins’ of cowardice ever. I therefore ‘Pray’ for the individuals , and the nation , as a whole but defiantly do resist the movement of an aggressive adversary to the point of taking up ‘arms’ if and when necessary. I would therefore resist them with all malice and their Stand and paradoxically Pray for them to repent in the interim. To those of you who may refute this idea or say I’m crazy I would ask at what point do you decide things like the Holocaust were wrong or the Killing Fields of Laos? Would you have stood by and appeased this evil and let it proceed ? Do you realize what the current group known as ISIS are doing to people. Not just be -headings , but the crucifixion and beheading of children , burying people alive in mass graves and raping women before brutally murdering them. This is a religion of death, born and originated by a demon possessed shaman. I won’t give them a “f*&king” inch and if you had any dignified response neither would you. I use that term ” f*&king” because I know of no other term that would shockingly express my disgust to the degree I feel motivated .

    87. The pope was speaking of the weapons of war industry. Tanks, warplanes, bombs… The investors he was speaking of are Stockholders in these corporations. Anything else is complete lie and fabrication.

    88. Ho hum, just one more example of why I have no respect for the Roman Catholic church*.

      *The institution, not the members.

    89. So by his logic, the people who made swords, axes, flails, maces and the like to support the Crusades were un-Christian because they built weapons. Interesting. All of the people in the Bible who used wepons to defeat evil were wrong too?

    90. SO the Pope does not like my Freedoms, and considers me to be unworthy of being called a Christian… maybe the Pope should spend his time working to get rid of the child rapists within his house rather than trying to tell me what freedoms I am allowed to have in the eyes of the church.

    91. Just goes to show how far reaching BHO’s disdain for our Constitution goes. Now he’s obviously convinced the Pope that political correctness is the norm. There is now ” NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE “, and any further saying that there is, will doom you from making them Pearly Gates and resting beside Allah, or Poobah, or whoever!

    92. Maybe the Pope should get his history right and check out who played a part inn the Nazi regime. Seems to me if I recall correctly, the Pope made several visits to Hitler during the same period the Jews were being gassed. The Catholic Church is against and will always be against the Jews regardless of what they publicly.

    93. Why is everybody so surprised? He was a Socialist before becoming Pope, why would he change now? He may end up being the downfall of the Catholic religion.

    94. DESTROY ALL WEAPONS!!! The only excuse anyone has for owning a deadly weapon is wanting to inflict harm. If not for that wickedness, then, some might have a gun is to ease their fear of being harmed. Both excuses are ridiculous!

      Micah chapter 4 <3

    95. Jorge Bergolio (aka Francis) is flat out wrong with this statement. It defies the Natural Law, as well as common sense. This is not surprising, as he also denies so many dogmas and practices of the Roman Catholic Church, which he claims to head.

    96. The Italian word he used can be translated to English and mean anything for a knife to WMD’s and the liberal media wants you to believe he is talking about private ownership of guns. Also, the OFFICIAL teaching of the Catholic church is the undeniable right to self defense, period. This was a speech to a ground of Italian youth and in no way official church teaching, so get over it and stop believing everything the liberal media feeds you. I am a gun owning Catholic hunter and so is my parish priest. I would bet that mostly what he was talking about is WMD’s but all of you can believe what you want to, the intent of the liberal media seems to have worked, create divide among Christians instead of unity. OH, and all of you amateur historians, there were plenty of Catholics that helped to save Jews, work against Nazis and died in those efforts of WW2.

    97. Don’t listen to the Pope! He is the false prophet spoken about in Revelation.
      Jesus said “If the good man of the house knoweth the hour the thief cometh, he will not suffer his house to be broken into”.
      The pope is going along with the Liberal Islamic Democratic anti-christ party, on the Global warming fraud, anti guns, etc.
      Once again: Do not trust this Pope! Do not give up your God-given rights!

    98. I am losing my respect for this Pope!! I will continue to have my guns AND go to church. If this pope said it was a mortal sin to own a gun I guess that stain will have to stick. With the upcoming invasion of the muslim horde I will keep my weapon and use it when the time comes!!!

    99. If he doesn’t think we bombed the hell out of the rail lines during WW2, he doesn’t know history. Or his elbow. Or a hole in the ground. Or his……

    100. “If you trust only men you have lost,”

      does he miss the irony?
      after all, he is ONLY A MAN!

      do not trust this idiot…has he been blackmailed???

    101. This Pope has got to go! It was Pope Pious XII that encouraged the Nazi’s to kill Jews…the allies are the ones who saved the Jews.

    102. It’s fine to just be honest and say that you fear being attacked, and that you want to protect your family, and that’s why you own a gun. But I’ve yet to read a convincing argument that Jesus is pro-guns. I read ‘thou shalt not kill’. I read ‘love your enemies – bless those that curse you, do good to them that hate you, pray for them…’. I read ‘blessed are the peacemakers’. How do you circumvent those instructions? One poster said if she was being attacked, she’d give them Christ if there was time, but if not, a bullet, and a prayer that they’d accept Christ. Now I can see the human impulse to do this – defending your family is completely natural, but is that what Jesus was talking about? In the UK, gun laws are very different – far fewer people own guns of any sort, and gun crime figures are much, much lower. The police don’t carry guns (apart from exceptional circumstances), and very few shootings of police officers happen. I’m absolutely sure that if we all owned guns, the number of gun-related deaths would increase dramatically, and it would be innocent children who would be amongst the victims – the very people those guns are supposed to protect. I’ve heard arguments that good, morally upstanding people can own guns and use them ‘safely’ – but even good upstanding people are sometimes capable of terrible things. I’ve had conversations with people who’ve accused me of being all kinds of things because I question their position – I’ve got no cojones, I’m a communist, etc etc, but I try to imagine Jesus with a pistol, and it just doesn’t fit. I try to imagine the Kingdom being advanced with bullets, taking out the ‘enemy’ until there’s no ‘enemy’ left (this is what the Crusades did with swords) – but I have a suspicion that the enemy is not outside of us – even with the perceived enemy taken out, we’d be left with a great violence taken hold in us. Looking at Jesus’ example, he overcame fear and walked straight into the jaws of death with a completely different kind of weapon, without a trigger, without a blade, but one that turned everything on its head.

    103. The Pope is a Marxist who, like all Marxist dictators, don’t want the people to have guns. He hasn’t said a stinking word about the extermination of Christians at the hands of Muslims. He’s more worried about “global warmning.”

      What a moron! There won’t be any Christians left for the weather to matter!

    104. you guys and your theological debates…get over yourselves. he’s a pope not a pastor so of course he said what he said. he’s catholic my dudes.

    105. These many ignorant statements and thoughts are not helping our cause people. Be knowledgeable and not ignorant.

      Did Pope Francis say that Christians can’t own a gun, such as for personal defense or for hunting?

      He said nothing like this. Not even close.

      His remarks are connected with war and the arms trade.

      Did Pope Francis say that the use or manufacture of weapons is always wrong?

      No, he didn’t say this, either.

      In fact, he implied otherwise when he indicated that the Allies should have bombed the train lines to the Nazi concentration camps where the Holocaust was carried out.

      Further, the Catechism of the Catholic Church acknowledges the just war doctrine, according to which warfare is legitimate in some circumstances.

      As to weapons manufacturing, if weapons have legitimate uses, they have to come from somewhere.

      If Pope Francis wanted the Allies to bomb Nazi-controlled train lines, he certainly expected them to get the bombs from somewhere, and in a world where people are willing to commit atrocities like the three he named, he would recognize the need the arms needed to resist such aggression.

      10) Why didn’t Pope Francis say all that?

      Presumably, for several reasons:

      a) He was speaking impromptu.

      b) The legitimate use of force could be inferred from his comments, as above.

      c) He would expect his remarks to be understood in light of the established teaching of the Church. As he himself has said, “I am a son of the Church.”

      d) Pope Francis has, on prior occasions, been open to use of force to stop “unjust aggression”, though he has cautioned against this becoming an excuse for unnecessary destruction or conquest.

      e) He expects his remarks to be taken with what Benedict XVI referred to as “that initial goodwill without which there can be no understanding:” (Jesus of Nazareth, vol. 1, “Foreword”).

      There is no credible reading of Pope Francis’s remarks that would make them an absolute prohibition on the use or manufacture of weapons.

    106. It is #self #evident that handguns ease of concealment is why they are the source of the problem. Better than ¾ of all gun crimes nationally and >90% of all lethal shootings involve a pistol for reasons that are obvious to anyone capable of honesty about the issue. A deliberate campaign that has nothing to do with “rights” or “safety” but is intended to brainwash children and program society has been underway for decades. When the truth about this horror is spoken anyone who dares address it is subjected to a petty campaign of conspiracies intended to intimidate and cow any who speak truth about the issue into silence. The perpetrators of the plague of gun violence and accompanying diminishments of citizen liberties on the citizens and our nation use a series of mis-directions away from the source and root causes of the problem. Many of these people are dangerous bigots and fascists. They care nothing for the truth and are not interested in what is best for all of us and will stop at nothing to achieve their ends even using children in the most grotesque ways. Here is a list of their techniques…
      The lies used by the proponents of gun violence are as follows..First they make claim that they are protecting the country from government tyranny when as all can see the citizenry has been stripped of all rights save gun violence and speech and speech is subject to near constant unlawful electronic surveillance. Laughable claims about protecting the constitution are made that ignore completely the damage to the 4th amendment that the 2nd amendment has caused in the interest of “police safety”.
      The next move is usually to make bogus claims about national security and pretend that the country is likely to be invaded and they will protect our homeland. Handguns are of little use in combat against military weapons.
      The next step is for them to make wildly inflated claims about the use of guns in insuring personal safety when anyone can protect their home just fine with a shotgun or rifle if necessary. If you can train with a handgun you can train with a shotgun or rifle.
      Following that false arguments about “felons being responsible” or claims that “mental illness is to blame” are made. Lies are put forth that it is a problem of people in the cities. If that doesn’t work they begin using racism and making spurious claims about “black on black” violence usually inflating the statistics and omitting mention of the decades of social programming vis a vis gangsterism, crime, and black markets that minorities, the poor, and the inner cities have been subjected to. Immediately concluding the failure of such arguments they begin appealing to gender fear.
      Gender fear has been particularly successful in brainwashing conservative “white” women. Arguments about handguns being “the great equalizer” are used and often linked to the abovementioned faulty arguments about “black crime” that ignore the role of gun “rights” supporters agenda in the programming of such events.
      When arguments appealing to gender fear have been exhausted false arguments about illegal guns being responsible are used. All guns are purchased legally to begin with and what happens afterwards is irrelevant. Our nation is awash in a lethal product with an infinite shelf life. This ties into racism because the drug war was used to unlawfully strip tens of millions of persons of their right to legally own a legitimate sporting firearm and they would have it that it was entirely coincidence that the onus fell almost entirely on minorities and the poor and that all of this happened shortly after the enactment of civil rights. As with George Wallace inaugural campaign states rights equals segregation and in this case segregation between the white gun owning public and the large percentage of minority persons stripped of their right for minor contraband offenses involving cannabis. The states that are staunchly states rights tend to be those that fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War and almost all of them have laws on the books permanently stripping the right to vote or own a gun from anyone convicted of any felony including simple possession of contraband like hemp.
      On exhaustion of the claims of illegal guns the supporters of the inversely named gun “rights” supporters will then attack the person speaking truth about their agenda as a criminal calling such a person a felon, or offender and making false allegations of mental illness. In particular false claims of schizophrenia have been used since the 1950s and this is documented in pop culture from the 1970s on.
      Insults of other sorts are then employed such as that the desire for common sense gun regulation is liberal extremism or liberal nonsense usually followed by vague and sometimes very real threats. When all of this has failed to convince the citizen who knows the truth and is willing to embrace and speak it unafraid they retreat to dark corners and begin muttering about “the other races supplanting us” and “race war” and “keeping the white man in control”.
      Many of the supporters of extreme gun rights are bigoted, paranoid, dangerous, fascists and they are well armed, well monied and operate from within government, the public unions, the bar associations, and law enforcement. Verily NRA corruption riddles all of the abovementioned agencies.
      Understand their methods they are skillful in their selling of a potent snakeoil of racism and fear to the undereducated, paranoid, and racist.

    107. Pope, you do not decide who is a Christian! Christ does! This is not the first overstep that has been committed by religious leaders. Caution

    108. I say you’re not Christan if you support and harbor the enemies of your religion. How many homeless Christan’s has he housed? I don’t know of any but I do know he gave quarter to muslims.

      1. Well, let’s go to the source to see what we should do about our enemies…..
        But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you, MAT 5:44.

    109. I love the fear that the gun nuts have stirred up in themselves.
      Christians by convenience, every one of these “firearms enthusiasts”.
      Love it!

      1. The passage below is routinely misused, but in this case it applies directly to your condemnation of many on this forum “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2″For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…. “

    110. Good news. This is a lie told by the usual people who want to take guns away.

      The Pope Doesn’t hate guns, he meant WMDs (as he condemned before the UN)

      This is the transcript — notice that it does not contain the word “gun” at all.

      This is the breakdown

      Everyone, grab your guns

    111. Do these names come to mind, Papa Francesco? Beretta. Chiappa. Caesar Guerini. Zanardini. Uberti. Luciano Bosis. Tanfoglio. Perugio & Visini. Fratelli Poli. Abbintico & Salvinelli. Armi Piotti. Look at Italy, the nation in which the Vatican is embedded, and tell THOSE arms manufacturers that they are sinful. Hypocrisy hides under your white skirts!

    112. The Pope can kiss my Jewish ass, when he involves himself in areas that are not religious at all. If he desires to involve himself in the secular matters of another country, he should give up the robe and run for office as, what he is, a Socialist or a Commie Light.

    113. I’m not sure I understand all the furor over his comments. He comments are just one man’s beliefs not put forth as the official beliefs of the Catholic Church or Catholic dogma. Take it for what it’s worth, one person’s opinion, nothing more, nothing less.

    114. There are pictures from WWII showing Catholic priests giving the familiar salute to Hitler. What if all the Catholic priests a day their parishioners had taken a stand against the Nazi regime? Where would Hitler have found enough soldiers? Instead… Catholics killed other Catholics from other countries and vise versa. Where was the Catholic leadership in all these past wars? Saving their own necks! Encouraging parishioners to “die for God a day country.”

    115. Forgive me but did I miss something? Isn’t a BOMB……as in why didn’t they BOMB the railroad tracks….a weapon? Also, from 20,000 feet what/ who else can you kill? Just sayin’…………

    116. As a subscriber to the Ammoland newsletter, I am disappointed in the use of an inaccurate tagline for this article. While it is a catchy and emotional statement, “It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?”, nowhere in the quote do the words “You’re NOT a Christian if you support gun manufactures”.(sic) Granted, the inference to that opinion would appear to exist in what he did say… but in the interest of accuracy and journalistic credibility, I would hope Ammoland will print facts only, especially in the article’s title line, so you remain more relevant than the garbage rags we see in the grocery store checkout lines.

    117. Spoken like a true hypocrite! Do as I say and not as I do. The Catholic church is disputably the richest religious organization on the planet. This man should preach about others given to the poor. Other giving up their weapons. As long as he keep his comforts, his guards and all his privileges, all is fine! Let he who is without sine cast the first stone.

      This is why I am no longer a practicing Catholic after being born and raised one and going to Catholic school for 8 years. I guess you can’t brainwash true free thinkers. Just the mind numbed robots.


    118. I guess he does not remember supporting the NAZI war machine by investing the Roman Catholic Churches money in it until it was obvious they were going to lose then the turn coat hypocrites pulled their money out and put it in the allies. The Roman Catholic Church is the greatest murdering war mongering outfit on the planet. During the crusades they butchered every man, woman and child and showed NO mercy. During WW2 the priests praised the croats for murdering serbs cutting off the ears oft their victims and displaying them on rings of wire with the priests right there praising them for their butchery. The UN who kisses Rome’s butt won’t tell you that nor will they let the serbs get reparations, but they sure went after the serbs. The pope is the biggest sinner on the planet. When they murdered 10,000 Huguenots the POPE commissioned a medal for the occasion. I am with the orange men. KICK THE POPE or with Martin Luther his hellishness is the antichrist.

    119. The Pope is an irrelevant figure, meaningless to all but worshipping Catholics.

      I answer to one God and as far as I know this God is a non denominational God. I don’t need no stinkin’ Pope, especially a hypocrical and politically socialist Pope. Naw, I’ll stick to the one size fits all God…works for me.

    120. “It is surely an upside down world when the representative of G* on earth disparages the right to self defense”

      What’s sad is that you can’t even print the word God on your blog…. sigh….

    121. I notice there’s no author listed… so disappointing that Ammoland would publish this misleading article. Why don’t you do the simple act of looking up what the Pope said, and then showing in what context he said it. But I guess if you published that there would be no anti-Catholic Pope bashing story to print. From http://jimmyakin.com/2015/06/pope-francis-remarks-on-munitions-manufacturers.html

      “But let’s take a look at what happened in the last century: in 1914, 1915, in 1915 exactly. There was that great tragedy of Armenia. So many died. I don’t know the number: more than a million certainly. But where were the great powers of the day? They were watching from elsewhere. Why? Because they were interested in the war: their war! And those who die, they’re second-class persons, human beings. Then, in the thirties and forties, the tragedy of the Shoah [Holocaust]. The great powers had the photographs of the railway lines that bore the trains to the concentrations camps, like Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, also Gypsies, also homosexuals, to kill them in that place. But tell me, why didn’t they bomb it? Interest! And a little later, almost at the same time, there were the prison camps in Russia: Stalin…. How many Christians suffered, were killed! The great powers divided Europe among themselves like a pie. So many years had to pass before arriving at a kind of “freedom.” There is that hypocrisy of speaking of peace and manufacturing weapons, and then even of selling the weapons to this one who’s at war with that one, and to that one who’s at war with this one!”

    122. People are misquoting the Pope constantly. Especially with others interpreting the language. Francis isn’t talking about you or me owning a legal firearm for sports, hunting, or self-defense. He’s talking about war and genocide.

    123. Separation of Church and State my ass! Sounds like he’s a paid political constituent of the OSlammaJamma-Bloomingful-A-‘It’-Berg conspiracy. The Pope should know he has ABSOLUTELY no grounds to lecture, advise, declare null-and-void, or speak in vain about any of our Constitutional Liberties. Bless You Father, for You Have Sinned!

      1. I have come to believe that Obambam handed the Pope a big check from our treasury when he met him and that this was a preplanned setup.

    124. Pope Francis, the Pope for whom the left has been waiting. He needs to save souls, not stick his face in global warming , our immigration problem, national health, 2nd amendment and all things American.

    125. If I am not mistaken, the Apostle Peter wielded a sword when the Romans came to get Jesus after he was betrayed by Judas. Was not the Roman Short Sword the equivalent of the modern hand gun? Seems like the Pope is in need of a history lesson. But wait, isn’t he supposed to be omniscient? He should have already known this.

    126. If you were to agree with the Pope, then you have to believe that the Catholic church and he him self are not Christians. He is guarded by armed guards, is he not ? And so is his buddy Obambam, oh I’m sorry, they are special people, more important than us peons.

    127. I guess the Pope wants us all to hand ISIS flowers and bow down like good Christian martyrs and let them cut off our heads.

      At the end of the day this Pope is a leftist Latin American and has Anti USA in his DNA.

    128. Perhaps few people know that Pietro Beretta arms factory Ltd. (the largest arms industry in the world) and is controlled by the Holding SpA Beretta and the majority shareholder of the Beretta Holding SpA after Gussalli Ugo Beretta, is the IOR (Institute for Works of Religion [commonly known as the Vatican Bank]) private institution founded in 1942 by Pope Pius XII and headquartered in Vatican City.

      The Hypocrisy just keeps on rolling along!

    129. The Pope is, at the last, a priest. Not a hunter. Not a military historian. He is apparently unaware his own Guard does their bit to support gun manufacturers. He also seems to be unaware that WWII bombing techniques did not lend themselves to attacking railway lines with strategic bombers. That was generally the job of fighters (if at all) and there is some fascinating gun camera footage of them doing just that.

      Incidentally, when the articles talk about attacking enemy ‘communications’, they mean roads and railways, not telephone poles.

      Btw, I had friends involved in the liberation of some of those death camps. To be accused of any complicity in their establishment or operation is a serious insult.

    130. Pope Francis needs guards to defend himself against all the dangerous rednecks who wan to kill him for speaking the truth…People who make/use guns have small balls, can’t have erection (without guns) and have never gone/finished school !!! Asswipes crucified Jesus but Swiss guards will make sure that this pope stays safe !!! Francis forgives all the rednecks for speaking ill of him because he is merciful! He knows most have been abused as babies and probably most of their childhood ! I you like shoot then go enlist in the army and go kill Isis scums if you want to play with weapons..or just shut up and help us make America safe again by allowing better background checks and make sure that most mentals don’t have access to guns !

    131. i hope that old gas bag dies soon,this is the man morally that upholds christianty? He is such a disgrace and a Blackeye and their is many people through out the world that could have done a much better job,i truly believe his Heart is not with the church…..regardless,pls make your own opinion about him but from all countless videos i see of him doing speeches and so forth,he just contradicts himself again and again,and his old world style scares more people off then bringing them close.

    132. Secondly, the arrest and passion of our Lord is imminent, and follows immediately upon this scene which is followed by the Agony in the Garden and the arrest of our Lord. Jesus is preparing them, spiritually, for what is about to take place. They are to prepare for spiritual warfare, hence the image of taking provisions with them and buying a weapon, the sword. The disciples, as was often the case, took our Lord literally and quickly produced two swords, ready for physical battle. But our Lord is rebuking this interpretation, saying “Enough!” They do not yet understand that Jesus is not simply an earthly king of power and might by worldly standards but King of a Spiritual Kingdom and the weapons are not of steel. In fact, in the Garden scene, Peter pulls out a sword and strikes off the ear of a servant. Jesus commands him to put it back and heals the servant, demonstrating and teaching them again that it is not by the sword that the Kingdom will be fully established. St. Paul affirms the power of the sword as it belongs to Caesar, for civil society may justly use certain physical means for law and order, but that is not the way of the Kingdom of God.

    133. What a hypocrite. I notice he also continually kisses Jewish ass. I don’t trust the guy. He is pushing a Far left agenda.

    134. For one thing the Pope is a Jesuit, and if you look at their vows, the gun is one the things they can employ if they need to assassinate someone to further the goals of the Church.
      Also did not Jesus say to sell your garment and buy a sword. A gun would be the modern day counterpart.
      A gun is not just for killing other people, There is hunting, and target shooting, and all kinds of uses that harm no one or any object except the target. I wonder how many deaths the Pope is responsible for during Operation Condor in which 60,000 people died in South America. I hear he is still not a very popular man there, outside of his own parish. At least one priest is serving a life sentence for his part in the murders.
      Catholics were reponsible for the deaths of some 300 million during it’s existence. They wiped out entire Christian villages, that would not accept the Pope as their Spiritual leader. Then the wichhunts, the Spanish Inquisition, all the wars between Protestants and Catholics, the Crusades where Crusaders ransacked cites and killed everyone no matter their religion. . During WWII, it seems the Pope and the NAZI’s had some agreement or understanding, not to interfere with each other. And saying the Allies should have bombed train tracks to the death camps, I’m not sure that they knew about what went on in the camps. The soldiers sure seemed surprised when they found them.

    135. You’re not speaking “ex cathedra”, so it’s just your opinion as one of millions of Catholics. I am one of those millions who does not agree with you.
      I not only own and carry guns, I also invest in them. I own stock in S&W. That is true investment — not, as you were depicted as saying, purchasing guns was “investment” in the manufacturers.
      I spent 8 years of my 19 years of education among the Jesuits, and learned well. I regret to say that I saw the beginnings of the undermining of that great Order, from conservative dedication to the logic of St. Aquinas to the Leftist emotive demands to correct social evils by passing laws that only punish the innocent.
      You are the summit of that new direction of that once great Order. You and your ilk may think you have conquered, but your deception will fail. Order — and the Jesuit Order — will be restored.

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