7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester Ammo, What’s The Difference?

By Tom McHale
Gun nut, Tom McHale, risks a fight to explain the subtle nuances between 7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester Ammunition.

Can you shoot .308 ammo in a 7.62 rifle? Or is it the other way around?
Can you shoot .308 ammo in a 7.62 rifle? Or is it the other way around?
Tom McHale
Tom McHale

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- If you want to start a good bar fight, ask about a saloon full of gun people about the differences between .308 Winchester and 7.62x51mm NATO. We’re going to dive into the fray with a simplified and practical explanation. Ready?

  • They are different.
  • They aren’t different.
  • They might be different.

OK, so that was a bit of a wise guy response, but those statements are all quite true. Don’t worry, we’ll explain further. However, we’re going to try to do that in such a way that you don’t want to bash your own brains out by having to read about the nuances of things like piezo transducers.

Let’s look at a few categories of comparison, then we’ll sum things up.

7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester – History

Doing the 1940s and early 1950s, military rocket surgeons wanted to improve the effectiveness of the M1 Garand rifle and its .30-06 cartridge. One contender, more suitable for higher capacity box magazines was a modified .300 Savage design called the T65. While specs varied throughout development, it ended up as the earliest iteration of the 7.62x51mm NATO. But, as usual, the commercial market was more nimble, and Winchester launched the .308 Winchester in 1952.

It took the government until 1957 to have a cartridge and rifle hitting the barracks with similar specs.

7.62 vs .308 – Pressure

Here’s where some of the confusion comes into the picture. Maximum pressure numbers thrown around for the two calibers are often shown as 50,000 “psi” for 7.62 and 62,000 psi for .308. At first glance, that appears to be a big difference and a potential reason why folks might consider it unsafe to fire a “higher pressure” commercial .308 cartridge in a rifle built for 7.62x51mm NATO.

While commercial .308 ammo may have slightly higher pressure than 7.62x51mm NATO, it's really the brass and chambers that are the issues to understand.
While commercial .308 ammo may have slightly higher pressure than 7.62x51mm NATO, it's really the brass and chambers that are the issues to understand.

As with most things, the devil is in the details. I put that 50,000 “psi” number in quotes because it’s wrong, at least when shown with a pounds per square inch label at the end. That 50,000 number is actually an accurate representation of copper units of pressure or CUP. A far less precise way to measure pressure, the method literally relies on looking at how much little copper disks compress when you fire the gun. While there isn’t a consistent mathematical formula that equates CUP to pounds per square inch (PSI) across the board, the difference in this specific case is somewhere around 8,000. In other words, the maximum pressure for 7.62x51mm NATO is about 58,000 psi – not all that far from the 62,000 figure for commercial .308 Winchester.

As both loads are routinely proof tested at far higher levels, this 4,000 isn't a difference that's going to alter the trajectory of Michael Moore's daily Krispy Kreme run.

7.62 NATO vs .308 Win – Case thickness

Measuring the thickness of cartridge cases is kind of a pain, especially since I tend to mash them all up when trying to cut them in half with my Dremel tool. So, I took the shortcut to illustrate the difference. From my big bucket of .308 / 7.62 brass, I selected some representative samples of both commercial .308 Winchester and 7.62x51mm NATO brass and weighed them. I picked several of each and averaged the weights. I didn’t measure the cases because they’ve been fired, so that won’t tell me much other than the general size of the chamber from which they went bang.

  • Hornady .308: 169.6 grains
  • Winchester .308: 163.3 grains
  • Lake City 7.62x51mm NATO: 183.5 grains

That’s a significant difference! Thicker walls combined with similar exterior dimensions means less powder capacity and a lower “top end” and all else the same, lower pressure and velocity.

The thicker brass of 7.62 cases is a significant factor for the reason we'll discuss next.

7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester – Headspace

Last but not least we get to the real difference. Military rifles for 7.62x51mm NATO can, and usually do, have longer chambers. In things like machine guns powered by ammo made all over the world, there’s got to be some slack for reliable feeding and operation with all that violence going on during the feeding and ejection process. The solution is to make the chamber headspace a bit longer. If you’re not familiar with headspace, think of it as the distance from the bolt face to the point in the chamber that stops forward motion of the cartridge case. If chamber headspace is too long for a cartridge, it will float back and forth in the chamber. If headspace is too small, the bolt will not close properly or will require excess force to close.

How much different is the headspace? The .308 Winchester chamber headspace is between 1.630 and 1.6340 inches. The 7.62x51mm NATO is between 1.6355 and 1.6405 inches. While the published numbers show about six-thousandths of an inch difference, it’s not unusual for the headspace in a surplus 7.62 rifle to be 10 or even 15 thousandths longer than that of a commercial .308. That doesn’t sound like a big deal, right up to the point where you fire thinner commercial brass in a long-chambered rifle. The brass will stretch, possibly enough to contribute to a dangerous case rupture. Doing the same thing with thicker military brass is no big deal and the way the system was designed. Thicker brass can handle some extra stretching into a longer chamber throat, so it's no big deal.

The solution to the question is to know your rifle and what its headspace really is. Only then will you know if its safe to shoot commercial .308 Winchester ammo in a 7.62 chamber.

Figuring out if your headspace is safe is a fairly straightforward deal. You can order a set of .308 Winchester Go / No-Go headspace gauges. After removing extractors and/or ejectors as appropriate in order to remove all sources of tension, use the gauges to check the chamber size. The bolt should close easily on a Go gauge and not close on a No-Go gauge. A third type, a Field Gauge checks the maximum published chamber size. With some 7.62 rifles, you might find that the bolt closes on the No-Go gauge. As long as the bolt won't close on the Field gauge, you're still within maximum published limits.

The net-net-net

Technically speaking, in terms of specifications, there are differences, but mainly in the chambers of rifles designed to fire each cartridge. 7.62 brass is a bit thicker, and commercial .308 is sometimes loaded to slightly higher pressure, but other than that, the cartridges themselves are pretty much the same.

If you want to be ultra safe and conservative, fire only 7.62x51m NATO in 7.62 chambered rifles and .308 Winchester in .308 rifles.

Next on the “risk” spectrum is the scenarios of using 7.62x51mm NATO ammo in a .308 chamber. In theory, you might run across ammo that’s particularly long. Ammo might not chamber at all or might require undue pressure to the chamber. That could result in dangerously high pressure. In reality, that would be really unusual. While 7.62 ammo could be significantly longer, that's a pretty rare thing, at least to a significant level, so most people don’t consider it a big deal to use 7.62 ammo in a .308 chambered rifle.

Where you need to be careful is using .308 Winchester commercial ammo in a 7.62x51mm NATO chambered rifle.

While most modern 7.62 chambers are probably fine as they tend to be cut closer to .308 dimensions, it’s always safest to know exactly what you have in terms of headspace. If your rifle has long headspace, stick to 7.62 NATO ammo – don’t use commercial .308.

About

Tom McHale is the author of the Insanely Practical Guides book series that guides new and experienced shooters alike in a fun, approachable, and practical way. His books are available in print and eBook format on Amazon. You can also find him on Google+, Facebook, Twitter and Pinterest.

  • 28 thoughts on “7.62 NATO vs .308 Winchester Ammo, What’s The Difference?

    1. If their was a dangerous difference in the calibers then we would hear not stop stories of shooters blowing off their faces with the wrong round whether its 308 or a 223 issue. I can even recall about hearing such a story but only ones involving shotguns or five-seven reloads.

    2. I have two Savage Model 99’s. All I have shot in them is 308 commercial rounds. I have been considering trying some 7.62 X 51 FMJ to see how they perform, but now I may just stay with commercial ammo. I believe both were made in the 1950’s and are gaining value and I do not want to damage them in any way. Additionally, I have a Ruger Scout that says 308, but does not say 7.62 X 51. I guess I’ll contact the Ruger company to see if they have recommendations.

    3. Some days I’m just not smart enough to shoot a gun. That will be the day I have a 7.62 or 308. Whew. Seems to me the only safe thing is to fire what the barrel stamp indicates.

      1. Ahhh! Trying to impose common sense and logic into the world of firearms? Are you sure that’s a safe thing to do on an online forum full of people that refuse to use common sense and logic?

    4. I use 7.62X51 brass for my handloads that I run in a gas gun that I built.
      I trim to length( .308) and load using the .308 data. I look for pressure as I develop loads .

    5. I have a Browning Hog Stalker semi auto marked 308 only. It appears in all aspects to be the same rifle as the FNAR with exception to the camo finish on my rifle. I see the FNAR is stamped 7.62X51. Can you explain the difference?

      1. Yes, in one rifle the manufacture is telling you to use, .308 ammo and the other manufacturer is telling you to use 7.62×51 ammo???

      2. In reviewing a lot of the responses to this particular article it is showing proof to the world that the Liberals are right that there should be a disarmament being that a lot of you do not deserve or need to have firearms in your possession just by the dumbasses questions I am seeing.

        I have a website SELLING “Common Sense”! Feel free to stop by and purchase all you want at any time!

    6. I don’t think the pressure in the Tsar Bomba was enough to “alter the trajectory of Michael Moore’s daily Krispy Kreme run.”

    7. Have a browning short trac marked 308 only. Have fired IMI 7.62 and functioned OK. Should I continue to use it or go 308 only.

    8. Have a Browning Short Trac says 308 only. Have fired IMI 7.62 and functioned fine. Should I continue or 308 only?

    9. I’ve shot both in my Marlin .308, never had a problem with length of 7.62. Nwow that’s not to say I won’t but I’ve fired 1000’s of rounds with not problems.

    10. I just read your your article about MOA vs MIL. My question is how does a 20 MOA rail figure in to tje calculation?

    11. Please note: the difference in headspace length is only 5 and 1/2 thousandths (or 55 ten thousandths) of an inch according to the numbers you show. The only way you can get 15 thousandths difference is between .308 min and 7.62 max.

      1. It’s no different than a barrel stamp 5.56 or .223. It means for the manufacturer’s warranty purposes they will accept and you will be in compliance within their limits of any liability to use either or round in that rifle.

        1. That is not correct. 5.56 military rounds can be much longer than .223 by design not just by stacking tolerances. If such a military load is chambered in a .223 the projectile will be lodged against the rifling creating a potentially catastrophic high pressure condition.

          When we use civilian .308 round in a military chamber we are fighting the larger chamber allowances in the 7.62 rifled. The thin civilian brass in conjunction with large military chamber allowances can create a situation where we see ruptured cases. Except for the poor quality control demonstrated in some military surplus ammo that was mentioned in the article, that is the only real concern.

          1. Well golly gee? Then I guess you better hurry up and run and tell the manufacturers of these chambered rifles that you know so much more better than them or their engineers???

      1. Probably just fine as long as it’s from a modern and reputable manufacturer. If it’s from Breszchzzk Ordnance arsenal made in 1958 then that might be a different story 🙂

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