What’s the Hold Up on Michigan Constitutional Carry?

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What's the Hold Up on Michigan Constitutional Carry?
Michigan Coalition For Responsible Gun Owners
Michigan Coalition For Responsible Gun Owners

Michigan – -(Ammoland.com)- After Constitutional Carry legislation rapidly passed the Michigan House of Representatives this spring, putting Michigan well into the lead among neighboring states on this issue, many gun owners assumed it would become law by early fall.

Applications for new & renewal concealed pistol licenses dropped significantly this summer resulting in the first downturn in total statewide CPL numbers since 2001.

Now many people are asking, “What's the hold up on Constitutional Carry?”

The short answer is Governor Snyder who is reluctant to sign any major gun reform measures into law.

While the votes exist in the Michigan Senate to pass a constitutional carry package, Senate leadership would be foolish to pass the bill without first reaching an agreement on language with Snyder as the governor is likely to veto the bill. This would kill the issue for the rest of the 2017-2018 session as the votes don't exist in the House to override a veto. While it has always been an uphill battle to get constitutional carry signed into law this session, its chances of success are much better if a deal can be reached that doesn't compromise the fundamentals of the legislation. That may not be until the lame duck session in late 2018. It may require waiting for a new governor.

The Wisconsin Senate, which is considering its own constitutional carry bill, is also experiencing opposition from Republican Governor Scott Walker. None of our other neighboring states have yet to consider constitutional carry legislation although Indiana may do so in the coming year.

The Benefits of Getting Your CPL Now

Regardless of the status of constitutional carry, it would be foolish for any Michigan gun owner to delay a CPL application or renewal due to the issue. Constitutional carry, which is better described as permitless carry, may not provide all the benefits of a concealed pistol license including but not limited to:

  • Reciprocity with the great majority of other shall-issue states.
  • The ability to by-pass purchase permits for private party pistol sales.
  • The ability to borrow a pistol from its owner.
  • An exemption from MCL 750.234d gun free zones. (Note these are broader than and not identical to the MCL 28.425o concealed pistol free zones).

Attempting to save money by delaying a pistol safety training course or not applying for a concealed pistol license could end up costing you dearly in the long run!

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    Walter Kelly
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    Walter Kelly

    Clearly, in 2008 the Heller decision made clear what it meant to bear arms. Scalia quoted Justice Ginsburg’s writing in a previous case.  From cornell.edu: Justice Ginsburg wrote that “[s]urely a most familiar meaning is, as the Constitution’s Second Amendment … indicate[s]: ‘wear, bear, or carry … upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose … of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’ ” And so, “..in the clothing or in a pocket” is carrying concealed. Yet it was stated that states can have… Read more »

    walter kelly
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    walter kelly

    If there’s even a sliver of a chance in enacting Constitutional Carry and having the 2nd Amendment Immortalized, you’d all better go out and vote for Schuette for Michigan Governor 2018.

    Although it may be hopeless, it’s still a better chance than the alternative.

    Zachary F.
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    Zachary F.

    Not a better chance than with Bill Gelineau.

    Chris U
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    Chris U

    That is only a “better chance” if he had a snowball’ chance of being elected. As it stands right now, there is a better chance of winning the lottery than an alternate party candidate becoming governor in Michigan.
    Those parties need to win a lot of down ticket offices first before trying to win the governorship.

    Constitutionally Free
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    Constitutionally Free

    We have a Constitutional law that Supercedes and state law and people are still worried about posessing a firearm freely? Why are you letting a state government violate a federal law in the first place? We should be holding it responsible for violating the Constitution!!!

    FreeMan
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    FreeMan

    My question is, why is everyone concerned about whether or not the bills are passed here in Michigan? The Constitution specifically states that we can carry any weapon as well as possess them. Definitions: Bear – “…To support, sustain, or carry; to give rise to…” In the context of the 2nd amendment this means to carry. Keep – …”to hold, to maintain, to support, to retain in possession and to take care of…” In the context of the 2nd amendment, this means that to “…keep and bear arms…” means we the people have the right to own and carry without… Read more »

    walter kelly
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    walter kelly

    Interestingly enough, Carrying Concealed weapons was done before, during, and after the 2nd Amendment was written and ratified…. so why is it that States have enacted Laws that are against it? I mean if you make the claim that the 2nd Amendment doesn’t state it, so it’s not implied, then I guess you also have to say that since the invention of clothing no person has ever carried a weapon concealed to maintain discretion, secrecy, the element of surprise, or to simply protect the materials from rust or like gun powder from the rain; for if it got wet it… Read more »

    Mike
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    Mike

    Multiple emails to Governor Snyder’s office about Constitutional Carry have yielded nothing but canned generic responses to any variety of issues except the one I was asking about.

    oldvet
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    oldvet

    Comment…From Fox News…In Massachusetts , public library Jeffrey Yao stabs woman with hunting knife (multiple times) to death. Also wounds 65 year old man who tries to help . Neighbors had seen warning signs , reported him to police. —Lets see if we get demands for higher age restrictions, hunting knife bans, or a bunch of school kids being fed scripts from cnn getting in front of cameras .

    Chromedome
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    Chromedome

    Any untrained moron can carry a gun now..

    Janek
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    Janek

    @Chromedome – You must be recollecting the days of “Full Employment” when even the village idiot had a job? Have you priced guns and fees lately? LOL

    Brett Heller
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    Brett Heller

    I know you’re right

    walter kelly
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    walter kelly

    This is such crap…. the Senate can pass the bill and if the governor doesn’t sign they can veto the bill and pass it by a majority without the governor’s signature, several other states have already done the same.

    Something “stinks” about this Bill… it’s being suspended for some illegitimate reason and washed as “Not the right time”.

    frank bowers
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    frank bowers

    Trusting a politician to do the right thing is next to impossible. Been here for some 8i0 years and in the last 60 I have seen this over and over. Say one thing than forget it hooping th voters will forgive and they like idiots do.

    Jon Smith
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    Jon Smith

    The real problem is the fact that it’s not about us it’s about them we voted them in there yet they pass laws and bills that only benefit them just for shit get on the state website there you can do a search of all bills they have passed you will be surprised to see they are mostly all ammenmants and bills that put more money in states pocket bottom line they lost money due to the speculation of CC it will never pass to many greedy f bags

    Tommy Gingles
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    Tommy Gingles

    ok so I see it from both points some people don’t like this amendment because it allows untrained people to carry a handgun they think causing more problems than solutions but untrained people are already doing this they have been since pistols were invented criminals are doing this right now ..I am a law abiding gun owner and a member of local constitutional militia I have sworn to protect the community and constitution and our freedoms from all forms of corruption and terrorism I feel that this constitutional carry bill is just what Michigan needs and all states need to… Read more »

    Concerned permit holder
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    Concerned permit holder

    I am a proud posseser of a concealed weapons license and part of a family with NRA members and am concerned about just “any” man/women/young adult being able to conceal a weapon designed to kill without some sort of training and knowledge about what could happen legally if and when you unholster your firearm with intent to use.
    Without knowing possible consequences we might run out of prison cells.
    Let’s stick to required permit and training for general public safety
    Otherwise open carry if you can’t afford your time and a couple $’s!!!!!!

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Elitist permit holder, You, as so many other aristocrats, do not trust your fellow citizens. You got yours, so now everyone else must be controlled. If some one commits a violent crime, then try them and hang them. There now everyone can get back to their Constitutional, God given, Civil Rights, and no one runs out of prison cells.

    cyrus hottenstein
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    cyrus hottenstein

    Thats kind of a contradictory view pay the money to carry covered up but if you cant afford it open carry like duhh its still your son/daughter or young adult carrying but in plain sight even if they choose not to get any training. They have to be 21 years of age to purchase a fire arm!!!!

    Eric
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    Eric

    My opinion only but what is the difference weather I carry my weapon openly or concealed? I will use it either way if the situation arises that I need to. The only difference is that I will be able to have the element of surprise if I am allowed to carry concealed. I am not able to afford the class and the filing fee for me and my wife so here I sit waiting for the law to pass. I think at least until it passes they should look into changing a few of the stupid laws like for example… Read more »

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @Eric, What is the difference whether you carry openly or concealed? If one examines the issue from a tactical perspective, you get one answer and if one examines the issue from a Constitutional law analysis perspective, then you get the opposite answer.
    As to being “allowed” to carry open or concealed… whom do you think it is that our Constitution has empowered to “allow” you or forbid you from carrying any way that you want?

    Terry Odette
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    Terry Odette

    Snyder is a democrat we put him there to do things like this.

    Rob
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    Rob

    No he’s not

    frank bowers
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    frank bowers

    frank bowers
    He is he is screwing the law abiding folks to please those who do not with to obey the laws.

    Tom
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    Tom

    well then lets rid our selves of this Governor and replace him with one that will do what We tell him to do…

    Jane Thompson
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    Jane Thompson

    If it’s not too late, I wil call the governor’s office and ask him to let the bill die a slow painful death. Why on earth did I receive this email?

    Frank Bowers
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    Frank Bowers

    This is a democrat thing. They have been bought and paid for by the democrat lobbyist who want more money for doing this to the constitution and the good folks of MI.
    Frank Bowers

    AJ Gagne
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    AJ Gagne

    We in New Hampshire have had Constitutional Carry for a few months now and despite some opinions about gunfights like in the old West, none of this has happened. I carry every day sometimes concealed sometimes opened. I have only had one woman ask if it was legal to carry open like I was that day. She obviously was from one of those Communist states that don’t allow any type of carry unless you jump through hoops and pay a lot of money to get a permit. I my humble opinion, all gun laws that restrict the Right to Keep… Read more »

    Polzin
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    Polzin

    Hmmmm…… maybe it’s held up because constitutional carry allows any untrained moron to carry a gun.

    William Place
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    William Place

    Nope, just a DEMONIC RAT, damned by God and a minion of Satan! Typical RINO as well!

    JF
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    JF

    So are you calling the people of Vermont all morons too since they have never required a permit for over 200 years?

    Eric
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    Eric

    No it doesn’t. It allowed people that can leagally purchase a gun to carry it how they see fit. People like you piss me off because you can’t see past your stupidity. People are gonna carry one way or another openly or concealed so weather I open carry or conceal carry I apparently am the moron carrying a gun in your eyes but I’m also the moron that will stand and defend me and my family and by chance you are there in the same area I will be defending you as well. Think about that before you start calling… Read more »

    Edward Weber
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    Edward Weber

    OR,,,an untrained moron to post comments.

    David G. Schaefer
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    David G. Schaefer

    In case nobody noticed, since the Flint water crisis, Governor Snyder has appeared to be paralyzed. It may be his feelings of guilt. It may be that he is becoming a democrat.

    bryan
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    bryan

    as it stands now,if a hand gun is not registered in the carrier’s name it is unlawful? and what of hunting long guns

    Wild Bill
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    Wild Bill

    @bryan, that is not true, not under federal law.