Will Ammunition Hoarding Resume? If you’re Smart You Never Stopped

David LaPell, weighs the pros and cons of continued Ammunition Hoarding and why your smart to keep buying ammo.

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Will Ammunition Hoarding Resume? If you're Smart, You Never Stopped

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- I recently had a discussion with a gun owner the other day about the availability and cost of particular ammunition that was only a couple of years ago not only very scarce but expensive when you could find it.

We were talking about if he thought that the availability of conventional ammunition could ever get bad again? He laughed stating that with Donald Trump in office, gun control laws at the federal level were likely to be impossible and that there was plenty of ammo out there. So what was there to worry about and why bother with ammunition hoarding.

So is ammunition hoarding crisis over? Have we nothing to fear, or are we just lulling ourselves into a false sense of security?

With the start of a new year, we have new ammunition laws in parts of the country, and if you live in California, that means new bans on ammunition buying. Starting on the first of the year, residents of that state will now have to get their ammunition from a licensed dealer, no more buying ammunition and having it shipped to your place of residence. You will have to hope your dealer has what you need in stock or you will have to pay him for a fee to get ammunition for you.

This of course is only phase one, phase two of the plan is that starting on January 1st, 2019 there will be a background check to be completed when you buy your ammunition which will include a processing fee, which you can bet will drive up the price of that box of shells for your gun.

We here in New York are also not immune to this sort of liberal chicanery as Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo put something similar into his landmark Safe Act. We too cannot order ammunition online and have it delivered to our homes anymore. We must be treated like children and have it sent to a dealer to be picked up. Or hope the local gun shop has what we need, and if you live in a rural area where your gun shop is a long drive away, well that’s just too bad, it’s for the good of the people we have been told.

Governor Cuomo also put in a background check condition with ammunition purchases with the Safe Act, but as of yet that hasn’t been implemented, but not because there was a change of heart, but because so far there has been no successful way to make it work.

Ammunition Price Gouging

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I remember seeing a single fifty round box of Federal .22 Long Rifle ammunition with a price tag of $22 on it

Up until the last year or so, the availability of ammunition in many places was scarce, especially for popular calibers like .22 Long Rifle and .22 Magnum, and the cost, to put it mildly, skyrocketed for a single box of either. Ammunition purchases were rationed, there were stories, some proven true, of big box store employees hiding some for their friends, while many people tried to hunt down what they could just to have on hand. I remember seeing a single fifty round box of Federal .22 Long Rifle ammunition with a price tag of $22 on it. I recall another shop taking five hundred round bricks of .22 LR and the owner splitting them up and putting a hundred rounds in a ziplock bag and asking $15 for each bag. There was a lot of hoarding going on, and there was a lot of price gouging to go with it.

So now we seem to be in a time of ammunition plenty. Even here in New York, I can get as much .22 LR ammo or anything else I want for very cheap prices. You can find .22 Magnum ammunition again when a little more than a year and a half ago, I didn’t see a box of it on a shelf anywhere for over six months. No one is rushing out to line up at the local big box store waiting to see when the truck delivers the ammunition so they can get their three boxes, but we should be very mindful that those times can very quickly come back again.

To Horde Ammo or Not?

The truth is, no one should wait until a disaster or when you need it at that moment to go out and buy that ammunition. I also don’t mean you should be panicking and running out and grabbing every box off the shelves either, panic buying is part of what got us into the mess of high prices and no ammunition in the first place, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have something on hand. If you have a .22 Long Rifle, I can’t tell you how much ammunition you should have at all times, but I would indeed have more than a couple of hundred rounds, the same with .22 Magnum. When you go to the gun shop, and you have a few extra dollars in your pocket, grab a box of one or the other while you’re there.

Paying a few dollars here and now is better than paying three or four times that much if you really need it and there are ten guys after the same box. It is like investing in your IRA, a little at at time pay off big.

One thing you can be sure of and I hope this isn’t prophetic, if there is another ammunition shortage, another hoarding spree, you can bet it will be worse than the last one. If in only a couple of years we endure another change in power in Washington you can bet the repercussions for gun owners could be disastrous, the same in individual states if power swings one way or another [IE: New Jersey in 2018]. Not to mention localized disasters like hurricanes, flooding, or something man-made could cause people to run to their local gun shops in hopes that they can find something, anything to defend their homes and families. What at one time might have been far-fetched, is now getting more like a probability, eventually, somewhere at some time in this country, there will be another ammunition shortage.

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If there is another ammunition shortage and another ammunition hoarding spree, you can bet it will be worse than the last one.

So to those who say that ammunition right now is plentiful and cheap, that’s true, but that doesn’t mean it will always be the case.

You make an emergency kit with food and water stored in case of a disaster, you put snow tires on your car when winter comes, and you put smoke detectors in your house in case of a fire, why wouldn’t you at least keep some ammunition aside? You don’t wait until you’re in an emergency before you try to get the means to deal with it. I say ammunition hoarding is a good thing and I plan to keep stocking up.

David LaPell
David LaPell

About David LaPell

David LaPell has been a Corrections Officer with the local Sheriff's Department for thirteen years. A collector of antique and vintage firearms for over twenty years and an avid hunter. David has been writing articles about firearms, hunting and western history for ten years. In addition to having a passion for vintage guns, he is also a fan of old trucks and has written articles on those as well.

  • 85 thoughts on “Will Ammunition Hoarding Resume? If you’re Smart You Never Stopped

    1. I have loved having guns all my life. They are used for different things. I have my hunting guns, my carry guns and I have my home protection guns. I try to keep ammo for all of them within my means. I hope that we never see the shortages that we saw the over the eight years of Obozo. Now I can go in any store that sells ammo and pretty much buy anything that I need. Life is good once again. Thank you President Trump for making America great again.

      1. Better keep buying it. The liberals are planning to tax it all to the point that you cant afford it. Also they plan to background check ammo purchaces. Get it it now before they get control again. When it all collapses those little 22 golden bullets will be like gold nuggets. And any other aunition you may have.

        1. @Danny Delano I’ve always said that I love the people that stockpile food, water and the like. Most don’t want anything to do with guns, so they are just warehouses for those of us with guns. I hope it doesn’t get to that, but family comes first!

    2. @Repo – great minds think alike. I have at least two guns for each caliber I own. Also keep repair parts for my AR’s. Parts are hard for Ruger and the like, but I have them.
      Stay safe!

      1. That’s one other thing I need to do is put repair kits together of commonly broken parts for all my guns. I like the idea of the small kit I recently stumbled across that fits perfectly in the AR pistol grip. I think I will put my own together out of better quality parts.

    3. Reading a lot of the new comments, the first question that popped into my head was this: For those that have stored 30,000 rounds of each ammo type they need for that “shtf” situation, I wonder how many will quickly lose it to marauders, gangs, government etc… i.e. basically becoming a one stop shop for the bad guys if things went bad.

      AND I wonder how many will reply with the attitude they will be able to defend against anyone trying to take it from them?

      For those thinking this describes themselves, You might want to reconsider. While I have no intention, nor does anyone I ever served with or commanded on my team have intention of ever being a “bad guy”, give me any 5 of them and myself and getting in and out or 99.99% of holed up “shtf” types won’t be an issue.

      You can bet there WILL be some like me with my background out there who WILL be bad guys instead of good guys… And you won’t stand a chance against them regardless of how many rounds of ammo you hoard.

      To be perfectly honest, about the only places that will survive are those that take advantage of former military (real military and veterans) and their expertise as part of their group. Everyone else during SHTF will pretty much be a target regardless of how many guns and how much ammo you store.

      1. I would opt for low profile/stealth for my home base and supplies.I would try to spread my stash around so if I lose one or two I still have several others to fall back on. My eventual goal is a couple to several thousand rounds per caliber firearm I own. I am also trying to get multiple firearms that share a common ammo and may adjust my numbers accordingly as I do. I try to replace what I shoot + a few hundred rounds everytime I shoot. If I shoot 250 I try to put 500 back. It doesn’t allways work but it sounds good in theory. I would also try to recruit some ex military guys to cooperate with. Their knowledge alone would be worth bartering for.

        1. And your comment is exactly what I was referring to in my posts. A reasonable amount stored away for each weapon you have. Additionally, like you, I also went and standardized. ALL my firearms are NATO standard for this reason. It also helps with cost because the parts I keep stored are interchangeable as well. I keep two of every firearm part for what I own. I have 4 kits of parts for my M-4’s since I have more of those than any other firearm. Everything else I have 2 parts kits.

          The idea is to keep enough ammo, parts and such to defend yourself now and should we ever see a SHTF situation occur… WITHOUT ending up leaving behind an entire armory to the bag guys should you be forced to vacate your location you are holed up in.. And I think this is one huge part of all this that many of those criticizing me are missing..

          It is not just about hoarders and the impact on the rest of us when prices skyrocket and access to ammo drops to zero.. it is also about reality and real life…

          People can do what they want.. But for me, watching hoarding that hurts ALL firearm owners is something that pisses me off more than even yahoos walking down the street carrying their AR’s just because they can.

          1. I don’t know why so many missed your meaning. You shoot alot each month and you have multiple firearms that share calibers so you have a number on hand that works for your situation and you try to keep it at that amount. It sounds like you have a plan to defend it,store it, and move it if it came down to it. So far you have only said you don’t think it’s a good idea to hoard it if you don’t have a plan to keep control of it that is basically standing in front of a mound of ammo and try to shoot anyone that comes to take it.
            That’s the basic point I got from you and it’s reasonable to me. The ammo buying frenzy make the resellers raise their prices because people have to pay it if they don’t have any ammo.

            I also totally agree about the guy walking around with his AR just to get a response out of people. It’s totally different then say an organized III% call out. I think open carry should be 100% legal in all places at all times and we as gun owners should be smart enough to not open carry in public 99% of the time and by our own choice.
            Those are just my observations/opinions..

            1. Repo, You nailed it.. that is probably why my exasperation is coming through.. I don’t get it either because I thought I was clear.. and with your reply, thankfully then someone does get it, does get what I was saying…

              It is all my opinion and to me, like you, those that hoard every time there is a perceived gun grab thing, it only hurts everyone. And what they don’t realize is the hoarding ends up actually shutting down the pro gun people from being able to actually easily exercise our right because we can’t get ammo, parts or even weapons while a few stand in line for the trucks and buy out everything that comes in every day during these events.

              For some reason they don’t understand that concept.. that by taking and buying up everything they can, they pretty much shut down the other 95% of gun owners… and if the SHTF, that 95% would be hard pressed to ASSIST or stand the line with those that hoarded because we would not have anything to stand with since it was all gone.

              For me, I would rather have 10,000 rounds of ammo myself and know I have 1000 other people also with 10,000 rounds standing next to me.. then having 100 rounds for me and 1 person with 250,000 rounds helping. But I guess that’s just me..

              And as for the open carry.. yep, I am all for open carry and constitutional carry. BUT it is a few yahoos that seem to think it is the smart thing to do to purposely walk around with their AR’s, sidearms and purposely video themselves and argue with the police when confronted. All that does is make the rest of us look even worse.

              I open carry my sidearm especially in the summer where I am not wearing heavy clothes. No big deal. Otherwise I am CCW at all times. If I knowingly entering a busy crowded location, I conceal.. No one needs to know I am armed, I don’t feel like dealing with a moron liberal that will undoubtedly freak out when they see my sidearm, and I don’t take the chance in crowds that someone ‘accidentally’ bumps into me with the intent of trying to grab my sidearm and run with it…

              I will say I am often amazed at how many I do see carrying and it would be so easy for me to walk up, snag their weapon and shoot them with it before they ever even had a clue what was happening… In fact i do not carry rear or left rear hip for this very reason.

              To me, firearms are both a right AND a responsibility.. and if you cannot be responsible, then ultimately it may come that you lose your right as well.

        2. Being a ex military from the vietnam war era I will say you are smart for having several thousand rounds for each gun. Make sure you have a good sniper type bolt action rifle. During the Vietnam war the enemy was terrorfied of the sniper. Many good calibers for that out there nowdays.

    4. I agree dark man. You see when the politics and talks ends. And we go under marshal law kicks in, and the ugly rears its head. And it will. Weather it be a natural disaster, or man made. It will happen, and when it does. I hope that you are well prepared. It might not happen in your life time. But it will happen. As a veteran I know when your ammo is low your chances decrease for survival. And when your kids say thank God, dad had enough sense to horde all this ammo! and fire arms. I myself continue to enjoy life by learning and maintaining my own security for my family and friends. Please all my Patriots out there, continue to do as you intend to survive and protect your family as best you can for the future of this great Republic. God speed.

    5. Hummm, does this mean my hoard of Atomic demolition Munitions (ADMs) and Special Atomic Demolition Munitions SADMs) could go out of date after only 30 years? I gotcha know..

    6. Seems Gun and Ammunition laws are legislated like the Affordable Care Act. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said something to the effect of ‘We have to pass it first, and then we’ll see what’s in it’. NOT!

      1. @ Maco you may be correct that there is a lot of liberals as stupid as gil/ck. His mommie must have to come to the basement to proof read his spelling NAZI bit because he would need someone’s help. Maybe he wears panties with flowers printed on them.

        1. Tomcat: Epic fail of a post. How old are you; twelve? Or is that your IQ level? Leave the comments to the adults with some brain matter. And BUY A DICTIONARY the next time you are buying a coloring book. Have an adult show you what a dictionary looks like.

          1. Interesting how a discussion on whether or not to buy adequate ammunition, or even hoard it and benefit the sales of ammo manufacturers, degenerates to who is a Nazi and how well they spell and observe grammar. Come on, guys. Just a suggestion. Not that I’m beyond this, mind you.

          2. Clark Kent Ah the spelling NAZI comes out again. Sorry your mommy didn’t let you spend the day in the basement. Speaking of coloring books, is your’s filled up yet? Better ask mommy for a new one for Christmas!

          1. Macro, you have NO idea what a Nazi is, or what they did, or even where they originated. It is generally acceptable behavior to actually know something about a subject BEFORE you give the public the “benefit” of your inane pontification.

    7. To the author, I’m a resident of New York State and we all know that the governor is an enemy to freedom and that the 2013 SAFE Act is an abomination of a law. With that said, there is a lot of confusion about the ammunition provision in that law. It is still legal to have aammunition shipped to your home from a dealer or private seller. The portion of the law that was to make that illegal was if and when there was an ammunition database put into place, which to date there is none.

      The intent of the law certainly was to create confusion and many online retailers stopped selling to New York State because of this. The law was hastily written and passed without the 3-day aging period as you probably know.

    8. I don’t think there is a shelf life on ammo. I have some that date back into the 60’s that still fire. I would not want to be put in the place we were in a couple of years age when the kenyon was in charge so I try to keep a stock of my favorite ammo. You never know when something like that may occur again with the libs being afraid of guns.

          1. @VT Patriot good one on the pesky fly that keeps buzzing but does not accomplish anything.
            I think he is the old Gil, two people in this country couldn’t be that stupid.

        1. @ cluk k_nt I’ll spell it the way I want to and I’m sure most understand. They must have turned your electricity back on today and you are making the most of it before it is shut off again. Go do what you normally do, cuff that ole carrot.

            1. @W. Bill good thought and my spell checker didn’t go off. By the way, did you get the bug out of your computer?

            2. @Tcat, No, I did not. Some weird thing called slags.bluekai.com shows up only when I go to ammoland, but I never click on it.

            1. CK – Again you prove ‘Keep you mouth shut and the world may think you a fool, open it and remove all doubt’!
              Maybe you should just change into superman and stay there as you are a total failure as Clark Kent!!!

            2. @CK this is a game to you and a very childish one, I must say. I have much better things to do with my time than entertaining a mindless blowhard such as yourself. This is the last time I will return comments to you. I do enjoy reading and commenting on Ammoland and most are a reasonable group of people but then there has to be such as you. You are #1 (middle finger) and a totally unhinged element of society. I know you like it when people comment back to you and the meaner the post the better you like it. I’m done. Go to hell and stay there!

      1. I’ve recently approached the end of some 30-06 ammo that my dad had from WWII, and I still have a little .22 LR that dates from before that. If well stored, ammo lasts quite well. If stored in a moist environment, as some samples were, the primers degrade and may either fire weakly or not at all, while the smokeless powder is more stable and can be usually be used as-is with the original bullet by transfer to freshly primed cases. In general, the old stuff performed well. I recall only one dud in the 30-06, out of several hundred rounds. I clocked some tests of 165 gr. ball ammo at 2,782 FPS, very respectable at 2,782 ft-lbs and 855 lbs. optimum game weight. Even some very old, 220 gr. cupro-nickel 30-40 Krag, probably WWI surplus, flew at 2,008 FPS, again pretty respectable for that load, 1, 969 ft-lbs. and 588 lbs. optimum game weight. Keep the ammo cool and dry, and it may degrade a little, but it will be very usable for a long time.

    9. There is no such thing as “hoarding” ammo!!!!! If that was the case, our federal government would be the BIGGEST hoarder there ever was!
      Remember, the Second Amendment was put into the Bill of Rights to PROTECT our individual Right to defend ourselves from our government when they become overly tyrannical.
      Until we surpass the stock pile of ammo that our government has, we are NOT hoarders, we are just preparing ourselves with an equal amount of ammo to defend, if and when, against the governments tyrannical missteps!
      Invest in your future, buy lead!

    10. I find it difficult to define a hoarder. I don’t believe I am one. I have probably 3-4000 rds of LR. 12-1500 rds of 22Mag. 1000+ rds of 223 and 9mm, and 3-400 shotgun shells. I shoot regularly at my range, and generally have a guest or 2 with me using my guns and ammo. I love working with new shooters and most of them shortly thereafter go out and purchase one of the guns they learned to shoot with.

      Last week, (surprise, surprise—) I found my local wallyworld had 550 rd Fed 22lrs at $19.95. Even tho not hurting for LR, I picked up 2 boxes. I hadn’t seen that price for 5-6 years. If I were a hoarder, I’ve have bought all they had in stock. I prefer to consider myself “adequately cautious”.

      1. To the author, I am a resident of New York, the governor of this state is an enemy to freedom, and the 2013 SAFE Act is an abomination. However, there is a lot of confusion on the ammunition provision in the law that was hastily written and passed without the 3 day aging period. It is still legal to have ammunition shipped to your home from a dealer or private citizen. The provision that would have made that illegal was only if and when there was an actual ammunition database put into place; which to date is not operational.

        1. I’m with you man. As a fromer res of NY, I was transferred to CT. My sons still live upstate and they come over to VT with their kids, and we have a ball for an afternoon at my VT range. But, then they have to get in their cars, and 2 miles later, all the toys they played with all day would have them in jail as they cross back into cuomo land. Pathetic.

    11. Hoarding will force the prices up and availability down. Want to buy a few boxes, or even a 1K rounds go ahead. That’s more than enough to fight off a few neighbors or looters. But if anybody thinks they are going to resist a SWAT team, or a military rifle squad, no matter how many rounds they have is nuts. You shoot at them they’ll put a SAW on your hole and blow you up. Get real people, you need a gun for home invasion by a zombie and that’s it. If you have to bug out you’re gong to have to carry the ammo, really?

      1. It might be wise to distinguish hoarding from panic buying. I think the advice intended here is for people to obtain and maintain a truly adequate supply of ammunition. That can be done without any great rush; simply making suitable purchases as opportunity allows. Meanwhile, of course, if the entire population is together rushing to stores to buy everything that they can find, that will of course create shortages and high prices. Manufacturers cannot increase their machinery for temporary rushes, only to have it sit idle when the rush is over, so it is important for people simply to buy when supply is high and prices are low or at least normal. Hoarding with no purpose but to grab all that you can, is pointless. However, acquiring a supply that will tide you over during even years of scarce supply can be good sense, due diligence in being prepared. This isn’t really about buying up entire store stockpiles whenever there is a chance. And it is wise to follow that old rule of buying when prices are low.

    12. How quickly they forget. We have 3, maybe 7 more years of a slow hacking at our rights. When the libs get back the majority, the chopping down of our gun rights will surely return. Ammo will NEVER be cheaper than it is today. It’s a good, useful investment.

    13. In the event we find ourselves in a situation, be a natural disaster, economic upset, or a real TEOTWAWKI, it would be prudent to avoid advertising that we have weapons, which means keeping shooting to an absolute minimum. The best way to deal with most threats is to be aware, and avoid if at all possible. As for hoarding, consider the above and the possibility that you might have to leave suddenly, maybe without youe SUV. How much ammo can you carry, and still carry sufficient necessities like food and water? Water is heavy. So is ammo. It is probably wise to pick up a box now and then (I wonder what kind of shelf life can be expected for most modern civilian ammunition), but I doubt any of us other than competitors need more than a few hundred rounds, the exception being .22lr. If you want and can afford it, fine, but it might be wiser to spend the money on other preparations.

      I recall visits to Bass Pro during the Great Ammo Depression. “Black rifle” calibers were not to be had at any price, as well as .22 and almost all handgun cartridges (there were a very few boxes of .380 and a couple of .480 Ruger that nobody ever touched), but full shelves of .30-06, .243 and a few other old standbys, as well as guns for them, being ignored. An AR only beats a BLR if you can feed it. Given my experience, I would focus my ammo collecting on the calibers I need that are most likely to go missing, and/or keep a couple of firearms in common rounds that are less popular than .308 and .223.

      As for California’s latest shenanigans, many people have already made “other arrangements.” I do not advocate breaking the law, but it’s a fact that people do have limits to how much interference in their lives they will tolerate (if only more would tolerate much less than they do). We outnumber our would be masters. Prohibition and the 55 MPH speed limit proved to be unenforceable. These silly laws will likely prove to be as well, and may end up being the Left’s undoing here (pray!). All it takes is for enough of us to refuse to cooperate.

      1. @JD, I agree about not advertising. Loose lips still sink entire ships. As to the amount of ammunition one might use that depends upon who you are fending off, how many of them there are, what they are armed with, and their tactics.
        If every head of household made a defense plan, to include logistics, expected route of opfor approach, choke points, then each might know better how much ammunition they need.
        For instance, my defense plan covers a five mile radius. I discovered that I need a minimum of eight trained persons to make it work. I had saved up food and ammunition for two for a year. I discovered that I am under prepared.

      1. Go to ssgammo.com I was able to find CCI Stingers through their website for both my .22lr rifle and pistol where the CCI Stingers can’t be found anywhere around SWFL. I’d bought some of the Troy Landry special before I learned of the website which they also carry a lot of other ammunition’s that are hard to find locally as well.

    14. Until You can have a 10 x 10 storage locker ,
      filled with Your assorted calibers some may ,
      feel as though they don’t have enough .
      They look at like ( Hey Government has umteen ,
      warehouses full ) I have to protect myself .
      Who’s to say what too much is ? I know if I could ,
      have a 2 x 4 footlocker set with all my Favorite cals. .
      I’d be almost in Heaven. Alas my cash flo won’t allow ,
      Me such a vice. To Each His or Her Own !

    15. I am sick and tired of those hoarding every time there is a little scare. And to promote hoarding is bullshit. All hoarding does is make it that much harder for every other gun owner to get any ammo they need. It also forces major price increases across the board all because a small group of morons feel it necessary to hoard 250,000 rounds of every ammo type they have.

      I am sick and tired of these wannabe tacticool idiots doing this every time there is some ‘fear’. Let me tell it to you straight. YOU WILL NEVER FIRE ALL THOSE ROUNDS IN YOUR LIFE TIME. Even if the SHTF tomorrow, you will NEVER USE IT ALL. In fact, most likely some REAL trained bad-asses will probably come along and take it away from you.. which means you just hoarded all that ammo and those supplies for someone else.

      Keeping around 5000 – 10,000 rounds per ammo type makes sense especially if like I do, you constantly shoot and train. And if like me, you don’t need more because you replace what you shoot to maintain that level. Anything more is ridiculous and nothing but hoarding. In fact, if the SHTF and you have to run, you won’t even be able to carry the 5000 – 10,000 rounds of each ammo type even then… you will leave it all behind.

      I shoot through probably ~4000 rounds of 5.7mm, 5.56mm, 7.62x51mm/.308, 9mm and .12 gauge a month all combined just to maintain my skill set. I shoot more if doing a full training or an event for training, whether cqb or long range combined. I keep about 7500 rounds of each caliber ammo here stored. Each month, I replace what I shoot to always maintain the 7500 round level although sometimes I do jump up to about 10,000 rounds if my shooting has increased for a period. I have and there is NO OTHER REASON for me to maintain any more ammo count than that. NONE.

      Sure, some save up just in case we see a day where the shit hits the fan… Well IF the SHTF, I won’t come close to using that kind of ammo count.. not even if I tried… and neither will any of you. And if anyone thinks they will, you are a fool. If someone like me won’t see ammo counts in that range, what makes these yahoo hoarders think they will? I can tell you, delusions of grandeur.

      The ONLY people that may see ammo counts like that are those that are part of an active military unit including actual real integrated MILITARY TRAINED militia’s that would form. Individuals or even groups holed up somewhere will never use that much ammo unless they are 1) really bad shooters or 2) have no problem just telling the world, ‘here we are’, with all the rounds they intend on popping off because they have 250,000 rounds in their little storage bins.

      All these hoarders do is accomplish forcing prices to rise and stocks to run out.. And some of us are sick and tired of it.

      1. @Jake, It is not only hoarding that causes the price of ammunition to go up. Shooting games (e.g. Three Gun) that never existed before, professional shooters buying by the pallet load for practicing, and more shooters than ever before are creating unprecedented demand. And let us not forget that Barry Soetoro (aka Barak H. Obama) devalued the purchasing power of the dollar by half, so that he could cheat the Chinese. He also cheated every working person out of half of a pay check. Manufacturerers have to ask twice the old price just to stay even.

      2. It’s foolish to buy excess ammo to store when prices are rising. Conversely, it is CONSTRUCTIVE to “hoard” when prices are at, or approaching, historical lows. Ammunition manufacturers, like all manufacturers, build and maintain factories to satisfy demand at prices above cost-of-goods-sold. We want to encourage manufacturers to maintain their capacity and build if and as long-term demand so justifies. When prices bottom-out, those of us who can SHOULD buy-up ammo that manufacturers are producing. If we don’t, they will shut-down plants and be reluctant to re-open them when prices rise again.

        Clearly, the cost of building inventory at 5 cents per-round is 1/2 that of doing so at 10 cents per-round. Likewise, at 50 cents vs. $1 per round. So, by all means, HOARD as much as you can when it’s CHEAP to do so; and, use your hoard when there are shortages so others can try their hand at the shooting sports when the news is drawing their attention to guns & ammo.

        On a political note, the Antis will try to regulate ammo sales when they can; e.g., CA. To whatever extent that gun owners accumulate a “hoard”, the impact on ammo regulation will be muted. First, legislators are a little less likely to pass legislation if it’s clear that it can have less impact; conversely, if they know there is a shortage and they can squeeze gun-owners even more, then they will be encouraged to rush through the legislation. Do we want to discourage them ever so slightly; or, encourage them with a quick success? Second, accumulating a hoard is a peaceable act of defiance. We are spending our own money to prepare to defy your gun-control laws. That speaks to our neighbors and influences their attitudes. These gun-owners will not knuckle-under; moreover, they have the capacity to stand-their-ground. Third, once there are hoards in private hands there are resources that can’t be controlled effectively. Neighbors helping neighbors; even across state lines. A friend or relative in Utah can supply a gun owner in California.

      3. Jake, for me, 7500 rounds of each caliber would be a glorious hoard of ammo. So from my perspective you are a hoarder. Someone else may feel that my sub 1000 rounds is a hoard.

          1. From your post:
            “I keep about 7500 rounds of each caliber ammo here stored. Each month, I replace what I shoot to always maintain the 7500 round level”
            You also stated that you fired a combined 4k or so each month.
            So if you consumed 500 rounds of .223, you replaced it maintaining your 7500 count hoard. If you did not replace it that month you would still have a 7000 round hoard, if I fired 500 rounds and didn’t replace, I would have only 500 rounds. Be happy you can afford to keep such a large hoard of ammo. I was just trying to gently point out to you that you complaining about hoarders when you yourself have thousands of rounds is a bit disingenuous.

            1. You must not have read what I wrote earlier. I use 4000-4500 rounds a MONTH in all my calibers, training. And I replenish what I use both, new buy and reloading. I don’t keep more than 7500 usually on hand in storage.

              IF I only shot 500 rounds a month, I would probably drop my count to around 3500-4000 rounds kept stored. There is a BIG difference between keeping an amount to cover what you consistently use vs hoarding 100K rounds for each caliber used.

          2. You must be REALLY well trained, spending what looks like at least $1,000 a month just on ammunition. You getting any better, with all that pratice? I don’t see how you relate to more than 1% of the rest of us, and have any basis to tell us how we should manage our stock. All you seem to say is that you need lots, but the rest of us don’t need much at all; that would be HOARDING. That seems just a little elitist.

            1. Bill, I am not telling anyone what to do.. I am saying in MY opinion, hoarding ammo, buying out the shelves at the slightest hint of a problem is only hurting ALL gun owners and is actually pointless for people to do. If that is what someone wants to do, then they will do it. But I am expressing MY opinion that doing so makes no sense to me.

              And yes, I am really well trained.. and to maintain that, one must practice to keep up with it or you lose it. I also train others. It is not a matter of getting ‘better’, it is simply a matter of maintaining.

              And for that, I did not expect you to say that puts me out in the 1% bracket.. I would think that anyone who carries a weapon every day, prepares for anything that may come to pass, would also be training/shooting on a regular basis.

              Based on your comment, I take it then that is not true? While I have the extensive military and law enforcement backgrounds, even if not and even when I was growing up, I shot all the time to practice and keep my skills up. Today it just entails much more elaborate things based on my adult life now.

              I find that incredible to be honest, if more people out there, even without my background, are not shooting and keeping up with it constantly.. Sure, I am not saying they shoot and train as much as I do.. in that I probably am a bit more but I would expect most gun owners at least put a couple hundred rounds down range a month?! Is that not the case? And if not, why? How does one expect to deal with trouble if you do not keep the skills up?

              Around here, you often hear weapon fire because around here everyone owns firearms and we use them and carry them. I can walk out my back door, move away from the house and a couple buildings, pull shed etc and do some shooting or whatever. I don’t need to even go anywhere or head to any range if I don’t want to. BTW, I am in Wisconsin.

              So maybe for me, it is a perception based on the fact where I live guns are a part of you not something you just have around sitting there.

          3. I can’t seem to reply where this belongs, but yes, if you shoot up $1,000 or more in ammunition per month, I would say that you are a bit on the hyper-user side, probably in the less than 1% of gun owners category. You probably would agree with that, if you consider it. A lot of people can shoot maybe 200 rounds per month and stay pretty reasonably up to par, although you might consider my view on that outrageously optimistic. Then, also, there are dry fire training and other exercises that train well without constantly blasting away. Meanwhile, if your rather heavy use of ammunition, which to some people would be a noticeable expense, is right for you, then I won’t argue with that. I’m happy that you are well off enough that you can burn through that much product without feeling a pinch.

            As for that awful hoarding, I would note that, except during times when people are all rushing at once to buy up whatever is available, the purchase of large amounts of ammo merely gives ammo manufacturers more to do, and a better profit. Car dealers would be happy as can be if everyone bought twenty cars for their homes, whether or not they ever used them. It is the same with ammunition. If people were buying something that you made, wildly and uselessly, with no purpose at all, that would nonetheless keep your business running and put money in your pocket, and you could hardly care less whether they were hoarding. Hoarding apart from rush buying simply supports those who manufacture ammunition; they buy components, do the work, and sell at a profit like any business, while those with money to buy ammo like that are simply spreading their wealth to factory owners, invetors, and employees.

      4. Whatever amount you decide is right to have on hand for yourself I can see some extra above that being a great idea as a form of currency to barter with if we ever did get into an end of civilized society situation. I think if people stock up a little at a time and we don’t create shortages we could put away as much ammo as we want without driving prices up. The key is not to create shortages that trigger panic buying that would drive up prices. Your right that carrying it in a moment’s notice would be tough and having it hidden/buried o you could come back later would be a good idea.

        1. LOL seriously? You want to try and insult me calling me a liberal because I say those that hoard and store 100,000 rounds or more of ammo, are fools?

          Whatever.. While I am not even close to being liberal, you can call me whatever you want but in reality, you have no clue who or what I am.. You throw your little tantrum because you don’t like it when someone like me calls out those that are pretty much being idiots.

          I find it ridiculous that some people, and I actually know two in real life, that buy more ammo and store it for SHTF than they spend on their own families and their bills. I know another guy that does it, holds it to then just turn around and tries to sell it at 1000% mark-ups when everyone is ‘scared’ the sky is falling.

          I never said someone’s opinion was wrong. What I said was those that hoard those kind of numbers were idiots and morons. That does not invalid their “opinion”.. it just means that some of us out here have the common sense and balls to call out those that are being so.

          Have to wonder… are you one of those and feeling personally insulted because of my words?

            1. Apparently you have no clue what common sense or fact is. I assume then you belong to that group that thinks having hundreds of firearms and 100K or more in ammo is going to make you invincible against anyone that tries to come at you…

              THAT is the mark of a real fool…

              I have enough firearms to cover whatever situation may develop, more than 5 less than 20 we shall say. And I currently retain, as I said before, about 7500 rounds of each ammo type I need or use. Sometimes that jumps to about 10K

              IF I did not train as much as I do in real life, what the hell would I need more than 10K rounds for each cal/type I have weapons for, in storage just sitting there? I would love to hear a logical common sense answer to that one.

      1. I think that also. Though moving my stash from one place in my house to another and then back last year was very tiring. At least 99.99% of my centerfire ammo was crafted by myself and that leaves the 30,000 rnds of rimfire that was purchased in the past four decades. My two sons and my three grandsons will not lack for ammo, or guns.

      2. Agreed! I expend a great deal of ammo. Besides my own twice-per-week (minimum) training/practice at my local range, I coach a four-girl (12-year-olds) pistol team each week. 2,000 rounds of 9mm constitutes a slow month.

        We reload our own ammo (my granddaughter and the other three girls are now experts!), and I load a couple of extra boxes each week, to stock up. I cannot decide how much would be “hoarding.”

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