Sound Off On The Proposed Bump Stock Ban, Comments Needed

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Sound Off On The Proposed Bump Stock Ban

North Carolina –-(Ammoland.com)-

“When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile” ~ student gun banner, Delaney Tarr

The bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) wants to change the language defining a Machine gun to include “Bump-Stock Type Devices” by wrongly claiming that “these devices convert an otherwise semiautomatic firearm into a machinegun” that are “able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger.”

A Bump-Stock actually requires Multiple pulls of the trigger in order to operate the gun. This is a very dangerous precedent that could bring all semi-automatic firearms under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

The Gun Grabbers have already made noises in this direction: Gun Control That Actually Works

The ATF has to play by the rules in making them up for everyone else. This means it has to go through the proper channels in changing the law.

Comment Against This Infringement

The BATFE’s comment period regarding this proposed rule is now open, and it is critical that you submit a comment against this proposed infringement on your gun rights.

If this is not stopped, who knows when all guns will be classified as “machine guns?” To comment, find a link below, and a copy/paste message you can use to comment.

IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED!

SUBMIT A COMMENT AGAINST THE THE SEMI-AUTO/BUMP-STOCK BAN Click on the link provided, and use the copy/paste message provided below under ‘Deliver This Message.’ https://www.regulations.gov/comment?D=ATF-2018-0002-0001

DELIVER THIS MESSAGE

“I'm writing today to speak against the proposed rule that would, by fiat, make Bump-Stock Type Devices illegal.”

There are several issues with this proposed rule:

1. Changing the language of an existing law by executive fiat.

The Legislative branch is supposed to write the laws, while the executive branch enforces them. It would be a severe case of executive overreach if it can make these changes on its own.

2. The proposed rule changes the definition of a “Machinegun”, setting a dangerous precedent for future overreach.
3. The proposed rule wrongly declares that “a semiautomatic firearm to which a bump-stock-type device is attached is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger.”

4. In trying to thread the needle in banning these devices, the ATF is setting up for future overreach in bringing all semi-automatic firearms under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

5. This propose rule would be unconstitutional on multiple levels.

For these reasons, I must insist that the BATFE immediately discard any thoughts of imposing this rule making “Bump-Stock Type Devices” illegal.
Respectfully,

Grass Roots North Carolina
Grass Roots North Carolina

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Grass Roots North Carolina/Forum for Firearms Education is a non-profit, all volunteer organization devoted to educating the public about trends which abridge the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, and engaging in grass roots activism to preserve those freedoms. Formed in 1994 to conduct a highly successful rally for the Second Amendment, GRNC has gone on to conduct projects like “Remember in November: A Gun Owner's Guide to Voting,” bringing concealed carry to North Carolina. Visit:www.grnc.org

  • 30 thoughts on “Sound Off On The Proposed Bump Stock Ban, Comments Needed

    1. There are a few things missed when talking about a bumpstock , I bought one and tried it, but with the weight of other accessories such as forend handgrip, red dot, sling,flashlight and laser combo, it would not even operate, so if too much weight is on your weapon it will not function at all, I haven’t heard this mentioned , but I know it’s true because I tried it. So with that in mind any weapon that uses a bumpstock must be light enough to operate and most AR- 15 users like their accessories, so I ended up selling mine, but the people that want to use them should not be infringed upon. Another thing when a bumpstock is in operation it must be moved by help from a couple of things like recoil and the operator’s finger must hit the trigger each time it cycle’s, the bumpstock does not, I repeat does not turn a weapon into an automatic firearm. That is bull from the left. Just my opinion !

    2. A point of view that comes from the protection of our Rights.
      You started out presenting the problem in the language of the old argument that “if I haven’t done anything wrong then what does it hurt to allow the government to search my belongings”. The answer to that and your point of view on bump fire stocks is very simple, because it violates our fundamental Rights!

      Your point of view leaves the door wide open for the government to ban, to oppress a Right just because you do not, and don’t want to, practice and exercise that Right. What about everyone else that do wish to exercise that Right? Are you saying you will abandon us just because you don’t? To put this another way, just because I do not want to give speeches in front of large audiences, doesn’t mean I am willing to allow the government to ban speeches! Or any other enumerated or not unalienable fundamental Right. I will stand up for our Rights, ALL of them. Even if I do not wish to participate in them, for the freedom of all people. Period.

      If you do not want to use and have fun with a bump fire stock equipped firearm, that is your choice and your Right. But, if you are abandoning everyone one else just because you don’t, then, you are not fighting for our freedoms and Rights.

      Samuel Adams put it this way:
      “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

      I am not a patron life member of the NRA so as to protect our Rights, I stand up to protect our Rights, ALL of them, and that is why I am also a patron life member of the NRA. I would stand up and fight even if I was not an NRA member. It has nothing to do with being a patron life member of the NRA!

      You did end up on a very good and logical point though in your last sentence. We do need to address the root causes of the problem, mentally unbalanced people, not the inanimate objects, the tools, that they use to commit their atrocities.

      I would not call myself an avid shooter, but, I am an ex-federal officer and a disabled veteran and I do exercise my fundamental unalienable Right and carry religiously. And I support the Right of everyone else, except for a few classes of criminals, to do the same in any way that they choose and that suits them. I also support your choice not to carry, if that is you wish. It is your Right and I stand for all of our Rights.

    3. Except the NRA is NOT on the side of the gun owners.
      read their words…still on their website.

      ” the National Rifle Association is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) to immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law. The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations. “

    4. This will cause a lot of rebuttal but as a life member of the NRA and an avid shooter I really don’t see the point of a bump stock other then to blow through a ton a ammo quickly and over heat your barrel. There really is no logical need for one other then goofing off or for the slaughter of as many people as possible, and it better be a crowd because your not going to be accurate at all.
      This issue will only be used as a pissing match for both sides so lets stop the BS and look for real answers to stop mentally ill people from slaughtering innocent kids. JMO

    5. They really twisted words to ban the bump stock. Reminds me of the Janet Reno and Clinton days where they did whatever they wanted. Scary.

    6. To vote on a Right, to legislate on a Right, to open up official comments on a Right for restrictions, to limit that Right, to oppress that Right of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS is to commit TREASON against the people.

      And in the case of the Second Amendment, which takes the PROTECTION of our Right ONE GIANT LEAP further than any other law, you do not just have to violate the Right, you only have to INFRINGE upon it to commit a criminal act against us and our natural unalienable Right. As in the difference between violating one’s property as compared to just infringing upon one’s property. The difference between actually physically assaulting someone or just getting up in their face!

      Every time anyone threatens our Right, they are getting up into our face, infringing upon us and thus is in VIOLATION of the Second Amendment!

      And remember, The Second Amendment DOES NOT grant or give or even guarantee us the right, it only PROTECTS that natural unalienable human Right against overstepping by tyrants and our governments IF we stand in defense of it!

      I wonder, does anyone really understand the word “unalienable” in the context of the Declaration of Independence? It means “inseparable from our natural existence as human beings”! The very opposite of to alienate, to separate, to push away and force to be separate and stand alone. Our Rights are so much a part of us that if they or any one of them are removed, then, we become less than human, a mere remnant of our total natural self!

      If the government sees fit to follow through and restrict our Right of ownership of arms, or any part of their components or accessories, Then, may I suggest that we have a vote on re-institutionalizing slavery with government flunkies as the proposed object of slavery! Think about it.

      Any comments submitted, other than “up yours with a red hot poker”, only goes to justify their tyrannical criminal acts against us and their blatant disregard for the law of PROTECTION by the Second Amendment!
      Acceptance of their forced tyranny is to collaborate with the tyrants against our freedoms and our natural unalienable Rights.

      One other point. Any so-called “law” that is dictated upon us WITHOUT being officially voted on by our representatives is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAW of tyrants! One MUST also note that nowhere in the Constitution does it grant the authority to our representatives to “sub-contract” their duties. The ATF is just so UNCONSTITUTIONAL in their dictative authority that “We the People” need to take a stand for our very freedoms and our unalienable Rights.

    7. I don’t see this to be about banning bump stocks. I see it as another step in the process of disarming not only Americans but all people of the world. In the book “Our Global Neighborhood, the report of the Commission on Global Governance” we find it strongly recommended people be disarmed. In the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights we find that people have no 2nd amendment Right. It is conspicuous by its absence. State Department Publication 7277 outlines the plan for the General and Complete disarming of Americans. I see the ongoing onslaught against the 2nd amendment to be steps in fulfilling the United Nations policy. Americans wishing to retain their 2nd amendment Right need to understand they live under a two party tyranny and that the retention of that Right rests in abandoning the major political parties and the election of people having the honesty, knowledge and courage needed to support their oath of office. I suggest people study the “recent articles” on the http://www.thecnc.org web site.

    8. You can ban as many accessories as you want, the outcome will still be the same. The criminals DO NOT follow the laws now, what makes you think they would follow new ones? This accessory is not practical for much of anything, but it is still fun to use and it is my RIGHT to own it. I do not need permission from you to exercise my God given RIGHTS, if you continue to take them, then we will be forced to push back. GOD, family, country!!!!!

    9. Have they ever said what was found in the room for sure?That sounded more in line with a m-60.If not we need to know what it was.Even if a bump stock was used,it probably was the first,99% of people never heard of them.

    10. I put in my opinion as have most of the other posters. I specifically noted that ‘bump firing’ is a TECHNIQUE, not a piece of hardware. The so-called bump stock in and of itself does not change the weapon, IOW it does not make a semi-auto into full auto, end of story. Bump firing can be accomplished – if the shooter knows how to do it (I don’t!) with a shoe string or a belt loop, regardless it still requires a single trigger pull for each shot.
      There is a very high danger here should atf so rule since as that parkland punk stated, they WILL take that mile.

      1. @Gomez, I like your comment. I sent a similar one to BATFE and to president Trump at whitehouse.gov/comment. Every comment that we send is like a shot at Sorolooser, Bloomersberg, or hiLIARy.

      2. It is also possible to duplicate a ‘bump-fire’ stock using a rubber band. What’s next? Outlawing rubber bands?

        Duane

    11. Many people are saying that a BUMP STOCK was NOT I say again NOT used in the mass shooting in Vagus . There seems to be little proof one was really used ,only what the left is saying . Vets have said that it could have been a M-4 carbine or machine gun used .The barrel of a AR15 would have FAILED after trying to shoot that number of rounds. Most agree things start to go south after 10 or 15 rounds and a BUMP STOCK are used. This is just the LEFT And Its attack on the Second.

    12. For myself, I don’t have one, don’t need one, have no use for one. However, I think if somebody wants one, it’s their
      right to own it..

      1. Joe ,the goal in not to deter criminals and it never has been! It’s to deny our second amendment rights completely! They know that it won’t change anything and don’t care! The more failures they can rack up is all to strengthen the the next rounds restrictions! To call for even more infringements. It’s an evil plan funded by the New World Order people with to much money.

    13. I changed the wording a bit:

      I’m writing today to speak against the proposed rule that would, by fiat, make “Bump-Stock Type Devices” illegal.

      There are several issues with this proposed rule:

      1. The proposed rule wrongly declares that “a semiautomatic firearm to which a bump-stock-type device is attached is able to produce automatic fire with a single pull of the trigger.”

      The Legislative branch is supposed to write the laws, while the executive branch enforces them. It would be a severe case of executive overreach if it can make these changes on its own.

      2. The proposed rule changes the definition of a “Machinegun”, setting a dangerous precedent for future overreach.

      3. The rule would change the language of an existing law by executive fiat.

      4. In trying to thread the needle in banning these devices, the ATF is setting up for future overreach in bringing all semi-automatic firearms under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

      5. This propose rule would be unconstitutional on multiple levels.

      For these reasons, the BATFE immediately discard this rule, as well as any thoughts of imposing this type of rule making
      in the future, whether for “Bump-Stock Type Devices” or anything else.

      Respectfully,

    14. First,I need it for my combo bow and arrow,second,does this mean bumper stocks will be banned on cars and trucks.these folks are idiots.

    15. this is just like spring assisted knives,that so many call switch blades and are just now becoming more available due to the repeal of archaic laws.the bump stock is an assist nothing more and should not be banned !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    16. There are more than enough gun laws. Nothing needs to be banned. Law enforcement needs to do it’s job. 99% of the time you see a cop he is standing around bs-ing with other cops waiting for the end of their shift. Useless.

    17. Back in the 80’s I worked for RG industries a very cheap gun manufacturer comparable to the old Raven 25. We were constantly on the defensive and had no support from others in the firearm industry to include the NRA. The company decided to close up shop rather than fight the unfairness . It was wrong. So is the Bump stock manufactures to not put up a fight it is also wrong for the industry in general to abandon these companies . If you give the an anti gun fraction an inch they will take a mile. Foe example see all the local municipalities banning firearms based on a vague umbrela of assault weapons.

    18. Not good. This stock does not make a rifle full auto. A knee jerk reaction. Must stop or future gun control will certainly come.

    19. I commented, but I kept it simple.They know all the reasons not to ban, they just need to know I don’t want them to.

    20. Ah you do know that copy and paste comments are classified as just one comment, even if it is submitted 10,000, right?

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