How do Pro-Gun Democrats Vote?

I Vote with Stupid Democrats
I Vote with Stupid Democrats

U.S.A. -(Ammoland.com)- I met a few people who call themselves “Pro-Gun Democrats”. I’m not sure what that means anymore than I understand the meaning of a Progressive Socialist Republican. Pro-gun Democrats might like guns. They might own guns. They might shoot guns, yet I don’t see how they can be for gun owners and ownership when their party is for gun control and confiscation. How do pro-gun Democrats vote?

Values have a context and a hierarchy. Some things are more important than others. Maybe you have to vote for Democrats to fund abortions..but you also like to go shooting. Maybe you were a Democrat, but now you’re a political independent who looks at every candidate and weighs every issue. The Democrat Party might not be the organization you remember.

Rahm Emanuel pushed the Clinton lead Democrat party to adopt its anti-gun political position. That decision earned the Democrat party hundreds of millions of dollars from George Soros and other anti-gun billionaires. The official party position is, “If I had 51 votes, then Mister and Misses America, turn them all in.” I wish that were not the party line but it is today.

Lots of voters don’t like the Democrat anti-rights position against guns and gun owners. Democrat politicians know gun control is unpopular. Democrat politicians pose with shotguns and say they are pro-gun. They also take money from anti-gun advocates and then advocate for gun confiscation. They even say so when you read the fine print buried on their campaign websites. As one Democrat candidate was recorded whispering, “I can be for gun confiscation, but I can’t say that during the election.” Some Democrats brag about a pro-gun rating from the NRA even when the NRA says they have a bad rating. These Democrats want to look pro-rights even when they are against the rights of honest citizens to keep and bear arms.

So what does it mean to be a pro-gun Democrat? I understand that you could give money to the few Democrats who actually voted to end gun control and to end gun free zones. I hope you support the few Democrats who actually voted for Constitutional Carry in their states. I like that you support Democrats who are against gun control. So is the NRA. But then I run into a problem.

Pro-gun Democrats don’t have many options. They vote for a Democrat politician who wants to confiscate guns slowly rather than the one who wants to do it quickly? When can they actually vote for a pro-gun candidate?

In the last 20 years, putting the Democrat Party in political control has consistently led to greater restrictions on our rights to keep and bear arms. What do pro-gun Democrats do with the rest of the Democrat candidates who support gun control and confiscation? As a pro-gun Democrat, do you vote Republican and support Republican candidates in those races? Even voting Republican doesn't guarantee that the candidate will vote for our rights.

The choice isn't easy, particularly for a Democrat voter. Do you cast your ballot for the candidate who is the most pro-gun, or are you a Democrat who happens to own a gun? Please leave your answer below, because I’d love to know.


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About Rob Morse

The original article is here. Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob is an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

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Well with this being the first year I will have an opportunity to vote for a president since becoming a gun owner I have to ask myself will my Vote threaten my rights…..I am not voting for 45…never will….I will support the Candidate that runs against him (Democrat). The Dems won’t get control of the Senate even if My Arizona Vote Flips Martha McSally to Mark Kelly so there zero chance they will have 60 or 59 votes needed for federal gun control…..state wise I vote GOp because I love my Gun freedoms my state of Arizona provides me….so Den… Read more »

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Max

Hmm, I voted for Reagan twice and George HW Bush. I was in the US Marines (decorated – a long time ago). I am very strongly Pro 2A. Very. I have a CCW and I carry every day. But I not longer vote Republican and I did resign my lifetime NRA membership. Maybe I am an old school cold warrior. Way too many republicans take money from Russia (it’s documented, don’t start with the alternative facts). The same with the NRA (also documented). Now I vote whoever I think is the the most reasonable, rational, centrist person. Depending on the… Read more »

Douglas Kuykendall
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Douglas Kuykendall

Well Max To with thank you for your service. I would like to see this documented Republicans an NRA taking funds from Russia.Do not want to hear bullshit that I saw it. I want to know where it is so I see an read for my self. I damn sure don’t believe anything a left wing liberal communist newspaper has to say.

David
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David

Wait. You asked for sources, and then you go ahead and make an excuse ahead of time about why you won’t accept a certain source. Building yourself quite the echo chamber there, aren’t you. The Washington Post, New York Times, et. al. are not “left wing liberal communist” papers. In fact, they’re just left of center in the US and probably right of center by world standards. The NRA/Russia ties have been covered by multiple reputable outlets. The confessed, charged, and convicted Russian agent, Maria Butina, can be seen with NRA leadership. I’m also a Marine veteran, but as someone… Read more »

Phil
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Phil

Almost all of the politicians are getting paid by either the Chinese, Russians, Saudis or Israelis (and heaven forbid someone ever mentions the Israeli lobby because both Republicans and Democrats will come down on you). All of which are responsible for countless deaths of American troops in pointless conflicts. Getting defensive over being asked for a source is not a really reasonable position and the laser focus on the Russians is strange to say the least. In 2012 we thought Mitt Romney was a loony living in the 1980’s for thinking Russia was a geopolitical adversary. In 2015 the Committee… Read more »

JDC
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JDC

Max, I grew up in a Democrat household. Dad was a small businessman (gas station) in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. He didn’t think any Republican cared about the small businessman/woman. in the Reagan years I switched to Republican. I lived through the Carter military (and Obama, unfortunately). Although I tend to vote Conservative/Republican, I have been an Independent since before Bush II. I had a couple of conversations with friends who were 2A supporters but Blue Dog Dems. Unfortunately, due to lack of term limits, it is more of a fact of which party do you wish to slide… Read more »

David Phillips
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David Phillips

What have the Republicans done for gun owners?
Did the Hearing Protection Act even make it to the floor?
National Concealed Carry Reciprocity?
Anything?
(Crickets)

and the orange faced buffoon is ready to ban bump stocks for … reasons.

I’d rather fight the Democrats on one issue than the Republicans on damn near everything else.
Rob, I enjoy your podcast, but I can’t agree with you on this. I cannot be a single issue voter.
Right now, the GOP is taking gun owners for granted, and on every other subject, being run by pseudo christian theocratic fascists.

Douglas Kuykendall
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Douglas Kuykendall

Must be a communist democrat or rino.It takes the 60 votes to get all that done. You know that ,why be so stupid .Think with your head instead your ass.If it was up to the communist There would be no guns or any of the rest of your freedoms

Geary Mcdevitt
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Geary Mcdevitt

Republicans have done way more than any Democrat.
That’s ridiculous, and if Dems don’t lie about thier view on the 2nd it will change shortly when the DNC twists their arm. Reference Bernie Sanders, who sold out his state to be cheated by the DNC.

J
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J

I could not consider myself a democrats, because the concept of stuffing the entire spectrum of political beliefs into two parties is confounding and ridiculous to me, but I definitely understand where you’re coming from. I do consider myself a Leftist, and to me that means “power to the people”, and that our fundamental Constitutional Civil Rights are dire and ironclad. If a man has nothing else, he should have his Civil Rights. That obviously includes our 2A Rights, and I have zero wiggle-room. I see a lot of confusion, ignorance, conflation and lies as to what comprises Leftism from… Read more »

Frank
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Frank

PREACH!!! I am relieved to see this of you and others in this feed! I thought I was a minority of independent thinkers who seem very confused living in a nation I don’t understand anymore!

Daris
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Daris

Yep. What he said!

Frank
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Frank

I try to not vote based off of a single issue unless the person is the extreme opposite of me on a certain issue. I normally vote with the goal of keeping a balance so neither party has to much power over the other. If a Democrat is strongly for an AWB and it looks like Republicans will still have a majority I would likely vote for the democrat if there’s nothing else about them I don’t like. If it looks like Democrats will get the majority I would likely vote the other way.

Jurjen S.
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Jurjen S.

I have to ask, what’s so great about the alternative? The Republicans have had control of both houses of Congress and the White House for going on two years. How’s that Hearing Protection Act coming along? Universal concealed carry reciprocity? When 2020 rolls around, are you going to vote for the guy who happily availed himself of one of the few carry permits the NYPD hands out but equally happily threw bumpstocks under the bus when it was politically expedient (hey, no skin off his nose)? Fact is, if you vote Republican because your main issue is gun rights, at… Read more »

Douglas Kuykendall
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Douglas Kuykendall

Lots of shit still requires 60 votes,so don’t start flapping jaws on why this an that isn’t done. You know damn well why some shit don’t get done.That is why gop needs 60 in senate then more stuff will get done.Trump has done more in less than two years than Obama could even think about doing wrong.He has done more than Bush or any other presidents.There is a lot of shit the fake news won’t talk about.

int19h
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int19h

Heh, It never even got to the Senate, because Repubs didn’t vote for it in the House.

So far, Obama actually beats Trump on how much he did for gun rights, because he did *something*: enabled carry in national parks, and on Amtrak.

Trump and Republicans did literally nothing on guns. They didn’t even try. Not a single bill went up for vote.

Why would they though? They need you to go and vote for them every 2 years, so they’re going to promise you everything and then stonewall, so that they can promise you everything again and again and again.

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

The Republican have NOT HAD a work majority but if the Red Wave comes through and the SEnate gets a 61 vote gun owner then all that will happen.
But Chuckie Schumer can block Senate action on anything. NY is not about to kick him out of office, but maybe the Kavanaugh confirmation will wake a few voters up.

int19h
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int19h

The simple reason why we vote Democrat is because there are more issues than just guns, and Republicans tend to be wrong on practically every one of them – or at least more wrong than the Dems. And lately, it’s not even wrong, more like, “are you fuсking nuts?!”.

And so, we go to people who are generally capable of thinking rationally, and try to convince them to think rationally on this one issue where they do not. Not having much luck with that, I’ll admit. But it still beats the Republican asylum.

Kal
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Kal

Bingo. Guns are a big issue for me, but the balance of all the other issues on the plate outweigh it and made me a Democrat. As soon as the GOP drops its opposition to human rights, prosecuting corruption, science, and sane economics, I’ll vote for a Republican Congressman again (I did in 2016, but not this year).

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@int19t, If you think that any of the other unnamed issues that you vaguely imply could possible outweigh the loss of a Constitutionally enshrined Civil Right, then you weigh the balance wrong. Oh, and Kal, do you not know that American Civil Rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights are broader and more clearly spelled out than the so called U.N. declaration of human rights. Our Bill of Rights are, also, less susceptible to minimization that the UN’s. So why would one trade ours in for theirs?

Charlie
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Charlie

Wow you’re a total moron.

Sherri
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Sherri

So well stated. Thank you.

Douglas Kuykendall
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Douglas Kuykendall

There are no democrats like 60 years ago.All you have now is pure communist period.They have nothing worth voting for

int19h
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int19h

See, that’s a perfect illustration of “are you fuсking nuts?!”

(Democrats aren’t communists. I of all people should know – I grew up in the USSR. That you guys think that someone like Obama is a communist, makes you literally insane in my book. And then you elect people like yourself, who are also literally insane, but now those madmen are running the country.)

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@int19, What is your point? If Obama is not a communist, then what is he? You claim to have grown up in the USSR, what evidence do you offer? If you are a low level propagandist, you will not respond.

Neil
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Neil

Well if you view both parties fundamentals I would classify myself as a Democrat. But as well all know those fundamentals each party was built on doesn’t mean squat now. I am very much pro-gun Democrat or independent if you prefer, I never vote based on party alone that’s just stupid. I currently own guns with plans to purchase a few more, thank god I don’t live in California. It’s hard to find the right candidate for gun rights issues because you never know if what they say or publish is actually the truth or sweet talk. If I care… Read more »

Nanashi
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Nanashi

Based on the one I know: Straight ticket Republican except in the primaries. Of course said guy openly says he’s registered as a Democrat only so they waste money sending him mail (given how fancy the printing on some of the stuff he’s gotten is, it may not be that insignificant an amount of cash).

Dan Schwager
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Dan Schwager

I guess it’s like being in law enforcement and VOTING for Democrats some people are just stupid.

Dale
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Dale

I know some people vote Democratic, then turn around and donate money to the NRA. Working against themselves.

lava
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lava

Pro-gun Democrat? Pro-life abortionist.

Christian Scientist.

Militant pacifist.

Low-fat nutritionist.

Ethical circumcision provider.

Vaccine-preventable disease.

Fresh pasteurized. Organic hydroponics.

DaveW
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DaveW

Jumbo Shrimp

Don Bailey
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Don Bailey

@DaveW, Is that like democrats rushing to take advantage of a clearance sale of week old shrimp?

m.
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m.

gun control = a**hole

Rocketman
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Rocketman

You left one reason out. Some older Democrats may remember and have voted for John F. Kennedy who was a life member of the NRA and who in the April 1959 issue of “Guns” magazine gave a strong support to the second amendment and continue to vote Democrat because of family history. Sadly, those days are long gone when the Democrats were somewhat logical and rational. The entire party has been “weaponized” so to speak by the radical communists that have infiltrated it during and after the Vietnam war.

StLPro2A
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StLPro2A

Kennedy Democrat party is nothing like today’s Democrat party. The political spectrum has been moved vastly far left including the Republican party. Even today’s Republican party is far left of where Kennedy’s Democrat party was. our country has been over run. Today it is not a situation of “enemy in the wire”. Today, the enemy sits in the Command Post. Our Founding Father already would have been finished shooting….a second time.

Jurjen S.
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Jurjen S.

The NRA is nothing like it was in JFK’s day either.

JDC
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JDC

I wonder if Democrats would put up with similar restrictions on Free Speech? (I use that as most would be OK with having to register to go to church). How about that? A “universal background check” if you wanted to speak out in public, or appear in a public rally, or even post on line? After all, it is just “common sense” that you don’t want some looney tunes abusing free speech. Plus by doing the “free speech background check” we could see if there are any open warrants, check to see if someone is a citizen, or here illegally,… Read more »

Geary Mcdevitt
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Geary Mcdevitt

JDC, they have been attaching free speech and due process. Look at college campuses and antifa among others. Their elite base is against the entire Constitution.

JDC
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JDC

Agreed. It is sort of like the Illegals who use our own Constitution against us. Here illegally, but entitled to all the Constitutional guarantees.

The left wants free speech, but only if they agree with it, everybody else “shut up.” That HI Dem Senator actually said that during the Kavanaugh hearings…that men should just shut the heck up.

I think you got my sarcasm…they want to infringe on our freedoms, but want no infringement on theirs.

Geary Mcdevitt
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Geary Mcdevitt

Yeah, sorry, it’s easy to miss sarcasm sometimes. 🙂

Bill N.
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Bill N.

With all this talk about gun control and confiscation of guns just look at Europe. Most all of Europe has tight gun control. Many can’t even have a shotgun to hunt with. Now take the time to count the horrible incidents that have happened there. Paris, Brussels several other incidents involving vehicles. Do we really want to be disarmed? I think not. I have a theory why we haven’t yet been attacked as Europe has been. We have too many guns for them to use those tactics here. If you really believe in our freedoms vote republican in November. Just… Read more »

Core
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Core

Gun control is not about safety in America. It’s about controlling Americans: period. It’s far more sinister than most are willing to conceptualize it. It’s about the subjectification of American citizens. Groups like the Globalist Federalists want to create borderless global unification to prevent war and famine throughout the world: it’s a utopian model that will never come to pass. It’s a pipe dream. The international banks are also behind gun control, and many anti-Second judges are active members of Globalist Federalist organizations. At one point in time the majority of Globalist Federalists settled in California, so you can understand… Read more »

HEART OF TEXAS
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HEART OF TEXAS

Core, I am a firm believer in the constitution and the bill of rights. I even agree with parts of what you state. However I do not like your idea of establishing a Gestapo-like organization to oversee political think.

B
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B

It’s a constant give and take. I’m realistic about the actual chances for the successful implementation of an overreaching gun control measure during an election year when we have a republican controlled congress for example. Many Democrats talk more about gun control at those times, and most republicans dig their feet in and ultimately make it impossible. It tells us a lot about both sides, namely which of each is pro 2a or anti 2a simply out of political expedience. We are all held hostage by a handful of distractions parading as key platform issues. Abortion, gun control, religion, racism,… Read more »

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Taxed Enough Already, a question or answer. The Boston Tea Party prompted King George to send about 10,000 British soldiers to occupy Boston. The City of Boston’s population increased 40% and the British soldiers were assigned to the homes of each resident. Not only did the British sleep and eat, the services a soldier needs were provided by the home owners. Laundry, cooking, were demanded. The people of the Boston area were trapped with one escape. The British had required the people to serve in the King’s Militia to defend against the French and the Indians. So the people formed… Read more »

Graystone
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Graystone

Very good response, Jim.
Causes me to wonder how many pro gun folks (and anti gun folks) really understood the basis for the 2 Amendment to the US Constitution.
Again, “Good Job.” Education is always the key to understanding.

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Thank you.

History is not a few stand alone events, it is a chain that begins, proceeds and reaches a conclusion.
1492 Columbus sailed, 1968 Neil Armstrong walked on the Moon.
We all know a series of little things and even a few big things happened in between those dates.

Don Bailey
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Don Bailey

@Jim Macklin, You would be surprised how much history has been forgotten. Some believe that since we celebrate our independence on July 4th, and that we declared our independence in 1776, they do not realize that the struggle actually started years before then and did not end until Britain sign a peace agreement until 1783. The British never accepted defeat and went on with their attempt to encroach on American soil, from Canada, on South into the Ohio Valley. Most of our own citizens have forgotten the War of 1812 when the British again invaded U.S. soil and burned the… Read more »

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

Education is a wonderful and essential part of a free republic. But “they” have been systematically making history a subject about the sexual attitudes of the Founders. American History maybe the most exciting story, until it is taught in Jr and Sr. high school by a monotone teachers who wants students to recite dates without any understanding of why that date is important, what came before and what followed. If I was a history teacher I’d ask my class “What is the most important date in United States history?” The answer is simple, tomorrow. What are we going to allow?… Read more »

JD
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JD

A MSR is not a militia suitable; because, post Korean War the battlefield is dominated by select fire weapons. In a firefight what is most effective is suppressive fire. Also, the ATF has stated that MSR’s aren’t military useful weapons. P.S. Miller in returned the case to the lower court to answer the question, Is a NFA Short Barreled Shotgun a suitable weapon for an individual soldier? The same question could be asked about NFA select fire rifles. However, Scalia’s opinion in Heller implies that the Miller question would not be answered in the affirmative for select fire rifles or… Read more »

Jim Macklin
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Jim Macklin

I say it certainly is a rifle that meets the needs of The People as a Militia Standard Rifle.
It fires the same ammunition as the military supplies and has billions of rounds.
The magazine is the same which makes re-supply easy.
Aimed semi-auto fire is very effective. True, the `68 and 86 GCA should be repealed and full auto arms should be avaialble but at 30 cents a shot, few people will develop the skill and experience to handle full auto.
Calling it a modern sporting rifle is just a a weak attempt to call a rifle a BB gun.

Dan in Detroit
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Dan in Detroit

I always agreed with the dems on most issues. However, i’m very pro-gun, and if a politician wants to shred the protections clearly laid out by the 2A, they can’t be trusted to do anything else right.
Fortunately, the average republican of today is roughly where the democrats were 20 years ago. It makes my vote easier to decide.
If you could pull my ballots over the last 20 years, you could quite literally watch my votes slowly switch form “left” to “right” year by year as the parties have adjusted stances.

Geary Mcdevitt
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Geary Mcdevitt

All Dems I know are either completely anti-gun or are the
“I own guns and I hunt, but” people. They do not understand the 2nd and don’t care. I have had so many stupid conversations I should record them. They all, down to the last one think that government should do and control everything.

Terry
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Terry

Mark Of Beast System Almost Complete In India, Coming To America


If you go to this article it explains what is going on in India, it’s the same thing of what you are talking about with the government controlling every person’s life, it’s scary, read about the Mark of the Beast if you haven’t heard about it already. People think that the master plan is once it’s fully implemented in India it will be pushed to our country.

Missouri Born
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Missouri Born

Fifty years ago there were plenty of democrats who believed in the second amendment and the right to own and use firearms however the democrat party has changed with their platform and beliefs, all in part to the liberal teachers and professors in the country and the main stream media’s liberal democrat support.

Don Bailey
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Don Bailey

@Missouri Born, I remember growing up in the 1950’s and 1960’s, I was surprised to learn that the communist and socialist parties protested the U.S. role in W.W.II. Now, the democrats have turned into the alternative parties that cannot be recognized today. Everything seems to have been turned upside down.

Ron
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Ron

Somebody sure has your ear about Democrats and gun control. Mainstream Democrats aren’t interested in confiscating guns. They are interested in background checks for all and restrictions on people who are a danger to themselves and others. The NRA could step up and do something to support gun safety and education. There are a lot of the people who ride the rail on gun control but find the NRA abrasive and negative. Some pro-active projects could get the rail riders to be more positive. The parent of Sandy Hook victims got a lot of attention advocating for gun control but… Read more »

Nashoba Losa
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Nashoba Losa

Just read your post @RON. If mainstream Democrats are not interested in confiscating guns, why do they keep electing idiots who ARE IN FAVOR of confiscating our firearms??? I think wat you are trying to say is that the NRA and other pro-gun organizations are not helping with the conversation to stop the “leaders” you and other “mainstream Democrats” keep electing to speak for you. As a mainstream Republican who has chosen to follow President Trump, warts and all, I find your comments duplicitous and insincere. Get rid of Schumer, Waters, Pelosi, Coons, Clinton, Obama, Holder and all the other… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@NL, Ron, the low level propagandist, is engaged in typical DNC half truths. He is only expressing what they want in the near term, but leaving unsaid their long term goals. Ron thinks that half the truth is the truth … temporarily.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@NL… Two reasons:
1 Wellfare voters
2 Dead voters cannot change their minds.

Geary Mcdevitt
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Geary Mcdevitt

Ron, the NRA is about safety and education, that is what they do. You never hear about it, because that would not help the DNC and their confiscation plans. The MSM and DNC have spewed so much propaganda against the NRA that most discount them totally when they could do more than any other org. to keep children safer.
Have you ever been to the NRA website?
And sorry, they will not condone laws that step on peoples rights.

Randy
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Randy

You obviously don’t know anything about the NRA. You say the NRA should step up and do something about gun safety and education. The NRA’s main mission and a great deal of the money they spend is just on those very issues of safety and education. The NRA has taken a realistic approach to prevent school shooting by making hardening the school and having a armed presence at the school. You are not going to stop somebody with more laws and no gun signs on the door. If a person is willing to kill what does he care about a… Read more »

Hogbreath55
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Hogbreath55

Look at California. specifically San Francisco: allowing illegal immigrants to vote in school board/local elections. We know where/how it begins, where will it stop?

Douglas Kuykendall
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Douglas Kuykendall

See if this rings a bell with some of you older folks.When I was in school,in hunting season there was always a shotgun or 22 in back window in school parking lot.As matter of fact there could be several at times.Nothing was said an nothing happened.Most all the country boys had knifes on their side or in their pockets.Nothing was said an nothing happened.So what could have changed in 40 an change years? It’s called liberal democrat communist simple. They took God out of the schools,no pledge of allegiance,no respect for nothing. Kids these days have no respect for their… Read more »

DAVE CURRY
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DAVE CURRY

The NRA is a leader in gun safety and education! Check your facts before making stupid statements.

Terry
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Terry

Ron, Look around sir, at this point there approx 21,000 gun laws and restrictions. There were plenty of sensable (and not so) laws that are on the books to have stoped the Florida school and Texas church shooting 40 x’s over, they are not enforced. The left is not interested in solving a problem, they just want the guns. This has been the demise of every free nation since beginning of time, disarm the populous. The reason to study history is solely not to make the same mistakes. Disprove either of these and I’ll follow you. The problem is you… Read more »

Don Bailey
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Don Bailey

@Ron, Your words sound as they come right from the liberal universities of this Nation who teach their students to hate the NRA. Since it’s founding, the NRA has raised money to teach firearm safety education. People who support private citizens right to own firearms for their own personal use, know full well the NRA has lobbied long and hard to defend the 2nd Amendment, to educate the population about the need for them to vote for it’s support. The reason why the NRA seems so abrasive and negative to you is because it does not fit the narrative of… Read more »

Marc
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Marc

Background checks simply do not work. There are too many ways for criminals to bypass them. In Chicago (which has until recently had complete prohibition of gun sales for decades) the recover 24 illegal guns every day. Not one of those was involved in a background check. Very few gun owners support “Universal Background Checks” because they know that the only way to accomplish this is to implement full national registration of firearms. Any other scheme will continue to support background check free firearms acquisition by criminals. Even if fully implemented, criminals will still acquire firearms through illegal transactions and… Read more »

Notalima
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Notalima

Sorry, Ron.

You are either fooling yourself, or trying to fool others. Pick one.

JDC
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JDC

Ron, “Background checks for all.” Oh, you mean a universal gun registration…step #1 used by every nation who confiscated guns…Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia to start. Think about how many abuses the government has committed recently. Listening in on American phone calls, when the law specifically prohibits CONUS surveillance without a warrant. Obtaining a warrant using political party bought and paid for information to spy on an opponent. Pushing illegal guns to Mexico resulting in the deaths of Mexicans and a US border patrol agent. Need I go on? So, you wish to convince me that any universal list of… Read more »

Graystone
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Graystone

Ron. It is obvious you don’t know a thing about the NRA. If you had a speck of knowledge about the NRA you would know that gun safety and education are foremost in their doctrine. Espcially as they relate to children. Why would they pursue any other objective? To do so would, in a sense, undermine their purposes/reasons for existing. May I suggest you check out the NRA Eddie Eagle Program. Name one, just one educational program any of Soros groups holds to that measure up to Eddie Eagle! I’m listening and I can only hear crickets……. As President Lincoln… Read more »

pod
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pod

In pretty much every state where shall-issue carry permits are a thing, having an NRA-certified instructor teach you the ins-and-outs of gun safety satisfies the educational requirement to get your permit. Your issue is that you are conflating the NRA with the NRA-ILA. The NRA-ILA is the “mouth” of the organization. The plain old NRA is the gun safety and education division and has been as such for well over a century. Unfortunately education doesn’t get much airtime, so most people think the NRA is Uncle Wayne, Ted Nugent, and Dana Loesch. So yeah, the NRA supports gun safety and… Read more »

Pierangelo Tendas
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Pierangelo Tendas

I know several pro-gun democrats. They are actually very good and well-intentioned people who just happen not to agree 100% with the politics of the right in terms of economy and social welfare, but still hold dear the right to keep and bear arms. America is the land of freedom, and that includes political freedom. Pro-gun democrats more often than not fail to realize that the party they vote has a very anti-liberty agenda, but they are not ill-intentioned. And I think dialogue, and not division, is the key to reroute their vote towards more rational positions, in a way… Read more »

Nashoba Losa
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Nashoba Losa

But they still vote for the Leftists who want more and more and more gun control and confiscation.

Rock
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Rock

ZACKLEY !

Clark Kent
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Clark Kent

Claiming to be a pro-gun Dumbocrat is like claiming to be a pro-Zion Nazi. Nice try; no cigar.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@PT, I think that you have described a potentiality, but not real people. You think that you will not be caught by constructing the “moderate democrat” hypothetical. The democrat national-socialist committee drove out their moderates long ago. They even drove out such liberal-light politicians as Joe Liberman, which evidences the dnc’s intolerance. The dnc has no “… very good and well-intentioned people who just happen not to agree 100% with the politics of the right in terms of economy and social welfare, but still hold dear the right to keep and bear arms.”

Rev. C
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Rev. C

@Pierangelo Tendas; I agree with you completely. I think we often miss an opportunity to engage and possibly enlighten many on the left because we feel so threatened. Yes, the threat is real and yes we need to defend our 2A rights without cease but I often read vociferous responses to what seem to me to be a genuine interest in dialogue. Personally, I get to experience that the other way around. I am a minister in a fairly liberal denomination. I am also a 2A advocate that carries daily and has a robust security program for our church so… Read more »

Graystone
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Graystone

Perangelo Tendas.
As I just said in respnse to Ron’s post, ‘President Lincoln summed it up well’ when he said “A house divided against it self can not stand “

pod
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pod

As do I. However, I consider them “confused”. To me, the Second Amendment is important enough to sideline pretty much every other issue. Why? Because for whatever reason, it’s ten times harder to claw back gun rights than anything else. If there were a mystical 2A-absolutist who liked universal healthcare running for office, I’d vote for him. And I don’t like universal healthcare. I can count on him to vote for guns down the line, and maybe we can have a discussion about healthcare later and reach a fair compromise. With 2A, there can be no compromise. We have done… Read more »