Trump Talks to Gun Rights Leaders, Is ‘UBC’ an Overrated Step?

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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- While President Donald Trump and the White House have reached out to leaders in the Second Amendment movement in the wake of three mass shootings, with an apparent emphasis on so-called “universal background checks (UBC),” is there too much faith being put in the process as a crime-prevention mechanism?

Perhaps overshadowed by other shooting-related reports in the wake of almost back-to-back tragedies in El Paso and Dayton, which happened a week after another attack at a garlic festival in California, was a CNN fact check that cast doubt on the ability of a UBC to prevent such crimes.

The CNN report, by fact-checker Holmes Lybrand, responded to the question, “Would strengthening or expanding background checks have prevented the alleged shooters from purchasing firearms?”

The answer was blunt: “Doubtful. There is no indication that the shooting in Dayton, Ohio, would have been prevented by proposed universal background checks or legislation to bolster the federal background check system. The alleged El Paso, Texas, shooter purchased his firearm legally and there is no evidence that he had a criminal history that a background check would've caught.”

A couple of paragraphs later, Lybrand added this: “There is no evidence that a nationwide universal background check law — which would mandate federal background checks on private sales — would have prevented the alleged shooter in Dayton from purchasing firearms. It is currently unclear if the alleged shooter in El Paso was subjected to a background check when purchasing his firearm.”

The killer in California legally bought his rifle from a retailer in Nevada, then brought it illegally into the state, where such a rifle is banned, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. Still, the “universal background check” is the solution most often suggested as a preventive measure following mass shootings.

Alan Gottlieb chatted with the White House about wide-ranging topics. (Dave Workman)

The Washington Post reported that the president spoke directly with National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, and the Washington Free Beacon subsequently reported that a “top White House staffer” had talked with Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation and chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Those conversations reportedly covered lots of ground, with Gottlieb stating, “We talked about everything from background checks to banning semi-automatic firearms and magazines to red flag laws.”

He called it “a very good, positive conversation.” LaPierre, meanwhile, issued this statement: “I’m not inclined to discuss private conversations with President Trump or other key leaders on this issue. But I can confirm that the NRA opposes any legislation that unfairly infringes upon the rights of law-abiding citizens. The inconvenient truth is this: the proposals being discussed by many would not have prevented the horrific tragedies in El Paso and Dayton. Worse, they would make millions of law abiding Americans less safe and less able to defend themselves and their loved ones.”

Wayne LaPierre reportedly spoke with the president, but won't offer details. (Dave Workman)

Both men said they would continue working to address real solutions to violent crime while protecting the rights of law-abiding citizens.

There has also been increased discussion about so-called “red flag laws” that allow authorities to take firearms from people who might be dangerous to themselves or others. But the firearms community has raised alarms about such laws over due process concerns. One Maryland man was killed last year by police who served such an order one morning shortly after 5 a.m. Questions have been raised about why the order was served at that hour.

And there is another consideration that may be getting less attention: homicide with weapons other than firearms.

While the media focus has been on the tragedies in Dayton, El Paso and Gilroy, Calif., police in Los Angles arrested a Garden Grove man who reportedly “went on a two-hour stabbing and robbery rampage” that left four people dead, according to the Associated Press.

And there was a fatal stabbing in the Queens district of New York City involving a man who allegedly murdered his wife in front of several witnesses at a nail salon, according to WNBC.

In Pittsburgh, reported KDKA — the local CBS affiliate — two women were stabbed, one fatally, at a bus shelter, apparently “right in front of a police officer” Thursday morning.

There are no background checks on knives or other cutting instruments. Recall that Isla Vista, California killer Elliot Rodger murdered three of his six victims by stabbing and slashing them, yet he is often only identified as the “Isla Vista shooter.”

According to the Washington Post story, an outright ban on so-called “assault weapons” is apparently a non-starter for the White House, but other measures reportedly remain in play. Gottlieb told the Free Beacon that he anticipates more discussions with the White House.


About Dave WorkmanDave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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    mlhtd51
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    What I Send Every Morning. “MASS SHOOTINGS” Many Innocent Lives are Lost, Many Changed Forever. I’m Requesting That YOU Do Not Abandon Us On The 2nd Amendment. It’s Tragic That 98% Of These MASS SHOOTINGS Are Taking Place in A “GUN FREE ZONE” The Other 2% happen in Parking Lots and Streets Adjacent to These ZONES. PLEASE Resend these “Zones” so we US Citizens Can Protect Ourselves and Others From These Senseless Acts. Do Not Punish Me or Violate My 2nd Amendment Rights For Something I Didn’t Do.
    No Patent Change it if You Want.

    jim
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    Re: ” universal background checks” If the totality of what is really desired is universal background checks on all gun transfers, the answer is simple and easy – give anyone free, anonymous, public access to the federal NICS background check database of persons prohibited from owning firearms and then tell private sellers if you sell or give a firearm to someone and don’t retain something that documents you did a favorable NICS check on the buyer, you could be held liable if they commit a gun-related crime. There is no reason to get the government involved any further in the… Read more »

    USA
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    Last time I checked we are pro 2a here which means we only go by one law and that is 2A. I don’t believe we support your “gun control”. Hell, even my Sheriff doesn’t support it because it’s failed policy. You’re either pro Constitution or there are other sites I’m sure you can post at.
    ALL LAWS REPUGNANT TO THE US CONSTITUTION ARE NULL & VOID!

    Wild Bill
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    @Usa, Hold on a minute, I believe Jim is advocating that government get out of the NIC business. That would make the situation less clear, theoretically, because our Civil Rights defend us against government, and government would be less involved. The novel, absence of proof that a NIC was done, would be a no-go.
    I can not but wonder how long it would be before the left would employ professional hackers t corrupt the NIC database, however.
    Interesting thoughts.

    USA
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    USA

    Hmmm,
    My last data base got corrupted by a sledge hammer I learned it from Hillary.

    jim
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    Re: “red flag laws” Red flag laws really aren’t necessary. Several states have laws that allow the police or mental health authorities to evaluate anyone and confine them to a mental health facility away from their firearms for 72 hours without any due process if they believe the individual is a danger to themselves or others. After 72 hours, the individual is either released if they are no longer considered to be a danger to themselves or others or they are offered the choice of remaining in the facility either voluntarily or under a court order. No sane gun owner… Read more »

    DaveW
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    Law Enforcement, as a means of avoiding being sued, very often convinces the subject person to commit themselves for 72 hours. Unfortunately, self commits are free to leave whenever they wish. The only stipulation I have ever seen is that they must see a shrink before being released. The doctors are required by law to see the patient within so many hours.

    joefoam
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    Since when did any gun control law prove effective? Nationwide and worldwide nothing has changed due to restrictions on gun ownership. UBC may get passed just to get the grabbers off the backs of conservatives, but you can rest assured it will only be a first step and then they’ll be back for more. They have 20,000 laws on the books as it is.

    USA
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    Yep and any negotiation with a socialist is a surrender.

    esquire
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    While I am against ANY law that infringes on the right to lawfully own a weapon, I have not heard anything about universal carry laws, If the Dems want universal background checks then add to it “universal carry” INCLUDING the Dem controled states and cities. If I pass the background check then I get to carry ANYWHERE. Also following the premise that people shoot people NOT Guns then the UBC should apply only to the person and NOT include any form gun registration.

    nrringlee
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    The problem is this. In every soul there is a God-shaped hole. It shall be filled with something. Fill it with trash and hate and that is the end product of that life. Our culture is in a steady state of decline. Our original revolution resulted in a government designed only for a moral people. We are no longer that people. We suffer the consequences as a result. And there, my friends, is your answer.

    Sisu
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    Sisu
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    I should have included: four dead, 40 wounded. And, a running tally can be found at: https://heyjackass.com/

    Dishman
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    If my memory serves me correctly every mass shooting in recent years every weapon used was purchased legally. So UBC law would not have prevented any of these shootings. Vote democratic and continue to add unconstitutional laws on the book’s that violates the 2nd amendment. Pocahontas wants to reduce gun violence by 80 percent with more laws Biden says the bill of rights is not absolute. Both are Democrats and both are Stupid

    USA
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    Because they can’t get the support required to amend the Constitution they intend to null & void 2a through unconstitutional legislation.

    USA
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    What about banning vehicles due to “vehicular violence” since people get run over by them even after they are licensed and registered.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/08/11/police-officer-run-over-patrol-car-sickening-attack-birmingham/

    USA
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    And I nearly forgot to add this question, what other gun control are they going to add for the upcoming false flag shootings? They been adding control for decades and shootings still occur so what more can be added to stop them and why are shootings still occurring with all the current gun control? Hell, they could make every gun in America illegal to possess and they won’t stop a single shooting. In the event nobody knows this info you’re enemies have vast stockpiles of firearms and they are not going to surrender them.

    USA
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    While being crystal clear that I do not support ANY gun laws I remember Trump saying for every new law he creates that he would throw 2 or 3 current laws out and since the discussion is about ADDING more prohibiteds to the list it only seems reasonable to me to remove other prohibiteds to make room since the bucket of bs is overflowing. Non violent convictions that stole rights from people could be restored and it could become a requirement that a gun must be used in a violent crime for the right in question to be stolen but… Read more »

    hoss
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    I’m not inclined to discuss private conversations with President Trump or other key leaders on this issue.
    so in other words the NRA under the LaPierre administration is fixin to throw gun owners under the bus. (AGAIN)

    Get Out
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    Yeah, I’ll bet trump has a gimp after that knee-jerk UBC bovine excrement. Universal Background Checks are nothing more than backdoor gun control registry of firearms.

    Wild Bill
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    @GO, Lets all give the Donald a pain in the ass, too! whitehouse.gov.contact If you all can’t think of anything polite, then just write No Second Amendment, no second term.
    He wants a second term badly, and that gives us a little juice, temporarily.

    ahhiyawa
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    ahhiyawa

    I’ve been, and strenuously so. I was about to exterminate my 46 year affiliation with the Republican party, but held fire when Trump can sailing down the escalator in 2016 and announced his candidacy. Trump and Republicans commit Constitutional treason I’m ending the relationship.

    Reason
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    Thanks,
    Just sent the white house a email letting them know I do not support universal checks or red flag laws.
    Maybe if gun owners flood their in box it will help. Go to whitehouse.gov go to menu in upper left to find the contact to send a email.

    ras52
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    Reason, I sent the message, hope all gun owners do.

    Wild Bill
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    @ras, There are many that will not expend the energy to even send an email. They will miss all the fun. I make my emails into a letter and hit print. I am stock piling them for Sept when the Congress comes back from vacation. Flood, deluge, engulf, submerge, and drown.

    USA
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    Maybe if @WB put his letters here to copy others that won’t take the time would copy n paste to Trump email. Maybe some of these other posters could do the same?

    USA
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    USA

    Or could write, “I just through your 2020 vote in the trash on top of Americas rights please help save them both”. Loool.