Anti-Gunners Demand Gun Shop Closures; Have They Lost the Gun Fight?

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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Two billionaire-backed gun prohibition lobbying groups—Michael Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety and the Seattle-based Alliance for Gun Responsibility—have launched an all-out effort to convince state officials across the country to close gun shops during the COVID-19 pandemic panic.

Everytown has even turned loose its legal staff to write a four-page memorandum titled “The Constitutionality of Including Gun Stores in Business Closure Orders,” for circulation to public officials.

But leaders in the firearms community are contending this is a clear sign that the gun prohibition movement has lost the fight. Indeed, some believe anti-gunners are terrified because so many people have rushed to gun stores over the past month, and now the Trump administration has defined gun store employees as part of the “essential” workforce.

While the CISA memorandum is advisory in nature, it sent a clear signal to the states now wrestling with shut-down orders.

In an exclusive telephone interview with Ammoland, Larry Keane, senior vice president and general counsel for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, had this observation:

“The reason the gun control community is freaking out is because they know they have lost a generation of fence sitters.”

Keane said millions of new, would-be gun buyers “across the country” have learned in recent weeks how gun control laws prevent honest citizens from exercising their rights in an emergency. First-time buyers have discovered waiting periods that may last for days, or even months as in the case of states such as New York or New Jersey. They wonder why, he observed, they can’t buy a gun and take it home the same day.

In states with so-called “universal background checks,” people can’t even borrow a firearm without going to a dealer for the required check, and that’s not possible when emergency orders shut down gun stores, Keane noted.

Alan Gottlieb, founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), concurs with Keane. His organization has been on the proverbial “spear point” of litigation for several days, challenging “shelter-in-place” orders. Coupled with the influence of the Trump administration’s CISA memorandum, governors in New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania and other states are now allowing gun stores to remain open.

“We’ve been winning,” Gottlieb said, “which means they’re losing. People rushed to gun stores, many for the first time. Everytown wants to stop that by shutting those shops down. Closing gun stores won’t cure the Coronavirus, and they know it. But if Everytown can convince people it’s okay to suspend the Second Amendment during one emergency, they’ll try to erase it entirely the next time we face a crisis.”

Keane reinforced that argument: “If they take a right away during an emergency, they can take it away anytime they please.”

Still, Everytown and the Alliance are flooding email inboxes with emotion-laden rhetoric such as this from Everytown:

“Over the weekend, the Trump Administration added the firearms industry to the federal list of critical businesses that are still allowed to operate. This change treats gun store and shooting range workers like the doctors, nurses, and grocery store employees that are risking their lives to get us through this pandemic.”

Not mentioned are state-level “shelter-in-place” directives, such as the one issued in Washington State by Gov. Jay Inslee, that recognizes “Workers supporting cannabis retail and dietary supplement retail.”

It is apparently alright to sell marijuana in the Evergreen State, but not engage in firearms sales; a scenario that has many Washington grassroots activists shaking their heads in disbelief.

Still, in Washington state, some gun stores are keeping their doors open and enjoying what one retailer called “brisk business.” The situation, as detailed in a Seattle Times report, is in somewhat of a stand-off. Gun dealers such as Wade's Eastside Guns in Bellevue, posted this sign on its door: “Your right to the protection of yourself, your family and others is an essential need and a constitutional right!”

Washington State authorities have not moved to close gun stores, perhaps because SAF is waiting to pounce with a federal lawsuit, and they know it. Gottlieb told the Seattle Times the documents are prepared, plaintiffs are all lined up and all he's apparently waiting for is for the state to order a shutdown.

The Everytown Law memorandum stretches four pages. Right up front, the memo declares, “The gun lobby claims that including gun stores in these closure orders impermissibly treats the Second Amendment as a ‘second-class right.’ But the truth is just the opposite. What the NRA and other gun groups are seeking instead is for Second Amendment rights to become super-rights, receiving a level of protection no other constitutional right enjoys.

“…(T)he central legal claim in these legal challenges—that the Second Amendment requires that gun stores be singled out for special treatment and be allowed to remain open even in the face of the most severe public-health crisis this country has faced in over 100 years—is legally flawed and should be rejected by the courts.”

Gottlieb, in his Wednesday morning statement, fired back.

“Well I have news for them,” he said. “The Second Amendment is a super right. That’s why it’s in our Bill of Rights. It protects all of our other rights.

“The only thing flawed here is Everytown’s memo,” he continued. “Constitutional rights are not subject to a public health crisis. Our rights are enshrined in the Constitution to protect them from just this sort of political treachery disguised as legal research. This memo is totally biased and one-sided, and is further proof that they know we are winning this battle.”

There is no small amount of irony in the current anti-gun campaign. The Everytown email message asserts, “During the COVID-19 crisis, the NRA has been engaged in reckless fear-mongering.”

One day later, the Alliance for Gun Responsibility message declares, “We know that more guns means more gun violence. We also know that the presence of a gun in the home increases the chance of death by suicide, domestic violence, and unintentional shootings. Those risks are only exacerbated among first-time buyers with little or no training and experience.”

Who is actually doing the “fear mongering,” grassroots activists who received both messages are wondering.

Keane told Ammoland that “legal minds” are looking over the Everytown Law memo carefully, and they will have a response.

“We intend to rebut it,” he assured, “because, as you know, a right delayed is a right denied. There is clearly a constitutional right for law abiding citizens to acquire firearms for self-protection, and that means there is clearly a right to sell those firearms. While commerce in firearms can be regulated, it cannot be denied, even at a time of emergency.”

“This is the time when (the Second Amendment) is most needed,” Keane said. “This is the time we have to defend the right vigorously.”

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About Dave WorkmanDave Workman

Dave Workman is a senior editor at TheGunMag.com and Liberty Park Press, author of multiple books #add on the Right to Keep & Bear Arms and formerly an NRA-certified firearms instructor.

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2ndA'murrican

NOW IS THE TIME TO BE VIGILANT! Be kind and caring to the former anti-2A crowd who turned around and saw the truth about gun control during this crisis. Some of them may have even bought weapons they don’t have the slightest notion how to use safely. These will be gun VIRGINS showing up at your ranges. Be kind enough to show them how to operate their respective weapons responsibly. Last thing we need is a virgin running off to MaligNancy Pelosi telling her how they shot somebody by accident because they bought a gun, or worse, shot themselves. Also… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

And make sure to drill the 4 rules into them. They must learn the rules, in the proper order, and without skipping any. There are no shortcuts. The rules each reinforce each other. There is no “one rule to rule them all”! And be ready for some that are hired by the other side to join the crowd of gun virgins, and make trouble, on purpose, to make us look bad… no matter how helpful and friendly we are. It WILL happen, as surely as night follows day. Be friendly, courteous… and ever vigilant for the foul quislings. They aren’t… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

2A’n, I agree entirely. I spent about 1/2 and hour yesterday helping a Black lady and her teen son pick out a shotgun. They wanted something to be safe at home with and had zero experience with weapons. The counter person wasn’t really able to handle any questions.

We covered what is was going to be used for, and what distances, the 4 rules, types of ammunition, the need for training and practice, and checked LOP for both of them.

I think we got a couple of converts outta that.

Knute
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Knute

Good job. I love to do that, but Montana doesn’t have much for firearm newbies. This is largely still a land of gunracks in the truck’s rear window. I taught my sons friends when they were back in HS, but that was years ago… My middle son just got a Desert Eagle .50AE a couple months before the virus. Just in time.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

How can any of the 15 states, or their subdivisions, close a gun store, in the Ninth Circuit, which has held that the buying and selling of firearms is part and parcel of pre-political Right to keep and bear arms as enshrined in the Second Amendment. And just recently, too.
Libtard, left-wing politicians do not even respect the decisions of their favorite, and usually left wing, Ninth Circuit. Certain state and local politicians are just doing what ever they want and backing it with police department fire power.

Gene Ralno
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Gene Ralno

Hello Joe. I just had a brainstorm. Why don’t the dope stores apply to become Federal Firearms Licensees?…oh wait…

Gene Ralno
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Gene Ralno

Just so everyone knows, Paul Allen (1953-2018) gave $1 million in 2018 to the Alliance for Gun Responsibility’s total income of about $3 million. At his death October 15, 2018, his net worth was about $20 billion. Nick Hanauer also gave $1 million from his net worth of $1 billion. Much like Everytown, the Alliance is largely supported by billionaires and cannot claim grass roots status. Gun violence is the go-to-term for grabbers and confiscators. It’s brilliant for public relations and incendiary to owners of firearms. Nobody says, “That gun is violent.” Literate persons say, “That person is violent.” Violence… Read more »

Get Out
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Get Out

IMOA, Everytown Law memo tells me they’ve lost allot of their momentum and many of their supporters and are hoping to stop the bleeding. It’s when we read about these first time buyers getting upset because they need permits, permission slips and licenses before they can get a gun, they’re realizing the anti-gun propaganda machine lied to them. They’re gob smacked as to why they can’t just buy a gun without a BGC off the internet like they were told as well.

Gdubb
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Gdubb

The sick and pathetic anti-gunners just signed their own death warrant with this brief. They probably just turned off the remaining half of what was left of their communist supporters- the ones who didnt yet understand why the 2A exists and realize they need firearms for protection. The other half just bought their first guns and now realize they have been lied to for years.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

The memo argues that it is the general applicably of statutes limiting our Constitutional Rights is what makes these Rights limiting statutes Constitutional. That seems backwards. I would think that only a very, very, narrowly constructed statute, that did not, as its main purpose, intend to limit our Constitutional Rights, but rather intended to regulate some part of commerce would be Constitutionally acceptable.
Not acceptable to me, of course, but acceptable to the federal judiciary.

AnotherLEO
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AnotherLEO

Although I can appreciate your willingness to view all sides, in the Law Enforcement Academy our legal Professors made it very clear. States can further limit federal laws LIMITING certain rights, they absolutely can not limit a Federal Law PROTECTING rights. The foremost being a Constitutionally protected freedom. Every single Professor acknowledged that in the strictest constitutional interpretation, all gun laws, first and foremost the NFA, are in fact in standing violation of the Second Amendment. As you know the Second Amendment specifically protects the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms, specifically those used in any capacity in… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ALEO, It is a complicated jurisprudential philosophical issue encompassing ” The nature, character, and extent of what a pre-political Right (Immunity and Privilege) is”; The Pre-emption Doctrine; the extent of Congress’s Powers and Authorities ; and Dual Sovereignty. All of the governments want more power. We the People have Pre-political Rights (Immunities and Privileges) enshrined and enumerated in the Constitution, each of which are meant to stop government in mid swing. Each of the branches of federal government seek ways around those Rights, including changing the definition of what a Right is; asserting that the People’s Rights (Immunities and Privileges)… Read more »

chiefton
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chiefton

We demand hat anti-gun individuals be shut up. 1st amendment? We do not think it applies for you since you do not think the 2nd amendment does not apply to us.

Bill
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Bill

Alan Gottlieb is absolutely right. The Second Amendment is a super right. If anyone bothers to read what it says, they can read right in the text why this is so. A large segment of Americans has been extremely foolish for roughly a century in allowing themselves to be talked out of the absolutely valid, discretionary right to protect their lives and their freedom, in a misguided sense that civility somehow implies self-disarmament and foolish vulnerability. (Some even think that the national military and government policies should follow this absurdity. That is as pathetic as a Hollywood movie where the… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Bill, Well said, brother.

Gdubb
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Gdubb

Well stated my friend. What does it take? A Wuhan flu pandemic. It just awakened a large portion of the anti-gun crowd. The silver lining, if you will.

MICHAEL J
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MICHAEL J

I’ve heard that March sales of firearms and ammunition have surpassed any previous records. The news media has failed the American people to report that owning guns doesn’t make you a threat to society, only to those that are unlawful.
Stay vigilant, these anti-constitutional groups that would disarm you are patient and not always in plain view.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@MJ, Yes, gun and ammunition sales are the brightest spot in the economy, and Pres. Trump should hear about it. Please see: whitehouse.gov/contact.

I usually say something like: I am supporting your economy by buying another firearm, not another house, not another car, not another vacation or stocks and bonds. I am buying another fire arm to help your economy, only. So Mr. President you can ill afford to lose the firearms industry.

MICHAEL J
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MICHAEL J

WB, I used to do that too, unfortunately in California all the desirable guns are illegal or over priced.

DrRon
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DrRon

thank GOD, i live in Texas, the land of the FREE.

ShooterOne
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ShooterOne

Yes, and Texas is included in the United States so if jerks (aka gun control freaks) take control of congress and the oval office you will be under the same “government” as the rest of us. I am from Idaho and we are nearly as free as you are and we still need to fight TOGETHER against Bloomberg, Soros, and all the other gun control FREAKS.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@SO, True we still need to fight on and this next election will be pivotal. I would like to mention, however, we in Texas pretty much ignore those unconstitutional acts of Congress. One can go to quite a number of garage sales and find some interesting firearm.

Knute
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Knute

Here in Montana also. Garage sales are my favorite. I browse for a quick minute, and then when they notice me I say: “Have you got any firearms?”
At least here, guns seldom show up on a yard sale table, but there are a lot for sale if one just asks.

Catatonic
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Catatonic

Just popping in from Wyoming, here, to stand shoulder to shoulder with my brothers and sisters in the other “empty-corridor”, “flyover”, “red” states. Whatever they want to call us, we’re still mostly free. Solidarity!

Knute
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Knute

We will soon be the “fly to” States instead of the “fly over” States! Beware of the newcomers then. They will not be coming here to learn from us, they will be coming to replace us and usher in a new version of the urban cesspits they created!

Superman
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Superman

‘If I owned Texas and Hell I would rent out Texas and live in Hell’ – General William Tecumseh Sherman. ‘Nuff said.

ras52
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ras52

Sheridan said that

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Sup, Another SFB Yankee monster.

ras52
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ras52

Will, right on!

VixaCowboy
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VixaCowboy

Our God guided founding fathers had enough wisdom and foreknowledge to see that in a time of crisis, whether it be an attack by a foreign power, or something within our own country, there needed to be a mechanism that would allow the USA to survive through it and after it passed. Thus the 2A. They envisioned what individuals like Bloomberg and his ilk would do in a crisis and created a protection avenue to keep us and our great country safe, after the crisis is over. Because when the winds are calm, the 2A isn’t even needed. I came… Read more »

RetUSAF
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RetUSAF

Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems.

Superman
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Superman

And many were Bible believing Christians, such as Adams. And your point is?

Degforyou
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Degforyou

Amen and I fully agree with your point.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@Ammoland…I certainly hope you are being paid handsomely for the extremely irritating pop ad’s !!!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, I was thinking the same thing.

Tionico
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Tionico

package deal. Deal

uncle dudley
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uncle dudley

The left wing gun grabbers who wrote the email are probably some of the ones who bought up every roll of Toliet paper they could find.
They really needed it since they are all full of shit!

Degforyou
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Degforyou

HAHAHAHAAAA Very humerus and agree

Marc
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Marc

It’s important to understand that in the United States, “Shall not be infringed” doesn’t quite work that way. In the Heller and MacDonald decisions, Supreme Court Justice Scalia argued for applying a legal principle called “Intermediate Scrutiny” to the Second Amendment. That’s basically a legal term for “wiggle room”. In effect, if a legislature of a government (Congress, state legislature, county board, city council) passes a law to establish a statute, and it’s challenged in court as unconstitutional, it’s found by that court to be constitutional, and at each level of court through the Supreme Court it continues to be… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Marc, It is important to understand that “Shall not infringe …” is intended to work exactly that way; the “levels of scrutiny” analysis” is a made up judicial fiction not found in the Constitution or Judiciary Act; and that the founders concept a “Right” is that a Right is “… a shield, behind which, one can stand and not be touched by government. It is complete and permanent.” “… a Right makes a person the equal to government, and forces government to immediately cease its efforts.” The notion of balancing the interests of the state with the Rights of persons… Read more »

Bill
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Bill

Happily, not all bad Supreme Court judgments stand forever, as later versions of the Court review them. Sadly, bad judgments and clearly contrived and extra-constitutional interpretations from activist versions of the Court can last a very long time, or never undergo honest review at all. Banning religion to ensure the freedom of religion is an interesting one. Allowing states to deprive people of arms and feasible ways to keep and bear them is another. The right to kill unborn children (if the government actually has a legitimate role in that question at all) is yet another. Clearly, Americans have far… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Bill, You can thank Hugo Black for the religion thing. The reason that we yawn is because there is nothing that we can do but vote, then the elite class does not need us at all, until the next election.

ShooterOne
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ShooterOne

Sadly both you and Wild Bill are correct. The question, to me, is have we gone to far with letting them know they are going to far? Is everyone going to lie down and let them keep chipping away at our rights until we are all slaves to their wishes?

We have got to stand together and fight them.

ARM UP AND KEEP GOING

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@SO, Nope, we are going to Restore This Republic.

Tionico
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Tionico

And Scalia was WRONG.
It says SHALL NOT BE. Gives NO wriggle room, does it? No “balancing act” in there.
Hopefully at some point in the near future we’ll have a decent court that will come down hard and solid on this issue. So far they’ve all been wearing their Pink Kittycat Hats.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tio, we need more Constitutionalists on the federal benches to get our Rights back.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Tio, when you say, “… Scalia was WRONG.”, you have to include what he said that you assert is wrong or your contention is meaningless. So, what part of all the things that Scalia wrote or said are wrong?

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Marc, You are correct in your explanation of how the laws are twisted.
The issue is the Usurpation of Authority by all parts of the government, but most especially by the SCOTUS, which is charged with determining whether a law is in compliance with the Constitution. It has no authority to contort the Constitution to meet its political ideology.

Ltbdb
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Ltbdb

In the interest of compromise and compassion , when we are finally forced to act to save our freedom and our Constitutional republic, when we show up on the doorsteps of the communist/ progressives with a rope ( less messy than a firing squad) we should offer them a one way ticket to the socialist utopia of their choice. Gallows or exile, their choice. How’s that for compromise. While we are at it the NRA needs a complete regime change. I have been a member for 45years but I can no longer support them until there is a complete change… Read more »

RetUSAF
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RetUSAF

I agree! I’m a Benefactor Life member of NRA and will not give them one more cent until Wayne LaPierre steps down from power, along with his had picked BOD. Members of the NRA have no power with the control of their organization, since Wayne is in a Non-elected position. The BOD is of no help because they are in cahoots with Wayne. Under Wayne leadership the NRA has turned into nothing but a cash collection agency, but with very little return in supporting gun rights. All the hard work in the trenches supporting gun rights, is all now being… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@L, All that offering them a choice adds cost and effort. All costs and all work are cumulative. Can’t we just shoot them and keep moving? There is a lot of work to do.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

WB, And a lot of ground to fertilize. Thank Gawd for wood chippers.

Doszap
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Doszap

Why are states wrestling with a INALIENABLE RIGHT?. They are breaking Federal Laws, and the Constitution itself by taking steps that are NOT THEIRS to take, and should even get the LEADERS arrested on Federal charges for violations of Sections
18 U.S. Code § 241/242. Deprivation of rights under color of law.
Some gun group should sue them and not settle and get them HELD ACCOUNTABLE and have a record for breaking these laws, that MIGHT stop this BS.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

The two leftist principles at work here are first “by any means necessary” and second “never let a good crisis go to waste.” Both of these principles are being applied by authoritarian politicians in order to Jim Crow your rights out of existence. So lets look at the effect at the gun counter and the longer term implications. You walk in to a gun store, slap down your state issued Real ID and ask to buy the semi-automatic pistol beaming at you from under the glass. You are employed, never had a traffic ticket, served the country and probably spend… Read more »

Wass
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Wass

Shutting down legal gun commerce, which is what Everytown and the other anti-gunners demand, does nothing to enhance public safety. When they can prove to me that it does, then I’ll take them seriously. Meanwhile, we must point out to the public, who may not be as involved in these issues, that criminals acquire firearms from sources other than gun shops and gun shows.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

It is not about public safety. It is about power. Complete power. We shall see how many sheep are herded to the slaughter in 2020 by the progressive thought control machine.

Doszap
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Doszap

What they demand and what THEY get are going to GET will be two different matters.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai of MIT recently quipped on Twitter: “[T]he #coronavirus fear mongering by the Deep State will go down in history as one of the biggest fraud to manipulate economies, suppress dissent, & push MANDATED Medicine!” I concur with Dr. Ayyadurai. It is my estimation that the media is hyping the Coronavirus “threat” for one primary reason: To give them an excuse to blame President Donald Trump and to say that unless President Trump is removed from office, society will collapse. I repeat: Coronavirus is a psyop. The Elite want us to feel so overwhelmed and panicked for a… Read more »

nrringlee
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nrringlee

I am very afraid that you may be very, very right in both assessment and prediction. I see no evidence to refute anything you have said. Words keep popping up in my brain damaged head: “A Republic, if you can keep it.”

Doszap
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Doszap

We are going to keep it, some folks may lose their heads over it.BUT we will keep the REPUBLIC.

Doszap
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Doszap

Trump is going to be re-elected easily unless he dies of natural causes,or the DemoNcraps steal it by rigged counts and hacked machines.(which Soros and Clinton own the companies that make them BTW)
IF Trump loses under shady conditions the ems will get way more than they bargained for,

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

Ok. Since the idiots were attempting to write a “Legal” memorandum, there is something that needs to be pointed out. Lets start by quoting them. “gun groups are seeking instead is for Second Amendment rights to become super-rights, receiving a level of protection no other constitutional right enjoys.” Let me put this gently….. The Retards at Everytown have no concept of what the law is or what it states when it comes to rights. Contrary to their opinion up above, the Second Amendment is indeed already unique in the fact that it is the only enumerated right in the constitution… Read more »

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

It may only be anecdotal, but my direct observation tells me that the more exposure one has to Leftist-controlled higher education, particularly those with postgraduate degrees, the more these people become ‘educated fools’.

I believe Ronald Reagan was spot-on when he observed, “The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.”

Doszap
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Doszap

I look at it a bit more like the old adage.”Stupid is forever, Ignorance can be cured”.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

I think that when one ponders the meaning of Reagan’s quote, you’ll see the Gipper was really calling liberals ineducable (stupid) idiots. They fill their heads so full of liberal stinkin’ thinkin’ that they become immune to facts, logic, and common sense.

Knute
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Knute

WF) Reagan got that quote from Sam Clemens, a real thinker. As well as a wordsmith.
“What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know. It’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so.” ― Mark Twain

Dubi Loo
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Dubi Loo

I fear we have lost a few generations because our “education” system does not teach useful information, they are institutions of heavy brain washing. Parents pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

willyd
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willyd

DL; My youngest son spent the first 2 years in Community College learning stuff I learned in High School, in my Freshman and Sophomore years, so my question is really what are the High Schools teaching today, it can’t be anything other than you have to go to College!!!!!!!

nrringlee
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nrringlee

Intentional spreading of stupidity from the school of “living and breathing” Constitution. You know, situational legal theory. What ever feels good today, do it, and what ever feels good tomorrow, do it. Look at the history of Supreme Court decisions since progressive ideology became the flavor of the day and you see wild reversals not based upon principles but based upon perceived social ” needs.” Like we “need” a right to slaughter babies. Bingo. Out of the vapors we make conspiracy to commit a violent felony, abortion, a protected communication. Amazing how that works. Situational ethics and situational jurisprudence means… Read more »

Doszap
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Doszap

This makes my Blood boil, we truck in ,fly in illegals fro all over the world to take jobs Americans dolt want.Well IF you DEMON obsessed Satanic slugs had not MURDERED 65 Million Americans we wouldn’t NEED any illegals to do the work we will (supposedly)not do.
Since 1973,17+ million Black children have been slaughtered.
Murdered by Demoncrats.

Doszap
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Doszap

I love it when they USE the WELL REGULATED part being either CLUELESS or LIARS in the definition they use to make their case.

Marc
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Marc

I only wish that this were true. See my comment above on Second Amendment infringing law. These 22,000 infringements exist in spite of the words of the Second Amendment. I do consider the Second Amendment to recognize the preexisting right of all American citizens to effectively defend themselves. It doesn’t define the right. It doesn’t grant the right. It commits to respect a right that existed well before our nation did. Infringement of that right is grievous. We urgently need Federal district courts, and a Supreme Court that will start applying Strict Scrutiny to all Second Amendment infringing laws. It… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, Yes, and I really doubt that Bloomberg or his groups could even define what “Right” is.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Damned right they are scared and worried, you can smell their soiled drawers from here, what they haven’t come to grips with is the fact they failed from the very start as any gun control/laws are un Constitutional.

The Icing on the cake will be if the SCOTUS rules strict scrutiny in the upcoming NYSRPA v N.Y.Chitty,that will be gold with colored sprinkles on top.
If would be the final nail in the coffin of gun control and they know it.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

What would be the final nail in the coffin is if SCOTUS ruled all gun control unconsitutional as per the injunctive clause of 2A, “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”, and POTUS were to then abolish the BATF.

Anything less than that, and our work is not done!

Doszap
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Doszap

Trump needs to do a MAJOR slash and burn at the tops of all ABC agencies, just last night I saw a SWAT team JUSTIFYING a murder of an infant in a RAID,(called it JUSTIFIABLE)
Excuse me, but if the u goons would stop kicking in doors and blowing hinges of doors at 4:30a.m. in the morning MAYBE these MURDERS would not be needed.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Holy F’ing S#!t, a BABY??? Can you post a link on that??!? SMH!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Dos, We need a link, brother. What agency was it?

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Still waiting on a link, if you have it, Dosz.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, I agree 99%. The word, and legal concept that you are looking for is “pre-emptive”.

Doszap
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Doszap

If the SCOTUS rules against the 2A,then they will have to be removed also.

badlands
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badlands

Actions such as this by Everytown and other anti 2A groups are just tilting at windmills. They’ve lost, and they KNOW they’ve lost. As long as Bloomie keeps the money coming, however, the tilting will continue.

nrringlee
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nrringlee

For these astro turf groups it is not about passion for their leadership it is simply about a paycheck. They face off against groups of volunteers like Arizona and Virginia Citizens Defense Leagues and they melt away.

Donttreadonme
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The gun shop named “The firing pin” in NY was just called by governess cuomos goon squad and threatened to shut down or lose their license to operate in the state. THIS IS TYRANNY!

tetejaun
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tetejaun

The communist democrats thrive on tyranny. Yet, Americans sit quietly.
April 19, 1775.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

No sh!t it’s tyranny, right along with 100,000,000 other acts of tyranny committed every year by an out-of-control criminal syndicate masquerading as government. Yet people cower at home, and do nothing. I’ve said it elsewhere, so I may as well say it here, for what it’s worth. This tyranny will continue, and in fact only get worse, until Americans grow a set of cojones and get out & kill every last tyrant and jack-booted thug in the land, drag their bodies through the streets, and put them on display from the streetlamps of D.C. and every other capitol throughout the… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

I would have no problem with gun shop closures, IF they allowed internet shopping. When I can order a suppressed short-barrel machine gun to be delivered straight to my home tomorrow, along with whatever magazines and ammo I feel appropriate – then they can treat retail sellers the same as any other retail outlet. However given all the legal restrictions they are already well beyond reasonable – and continue to propose even more insane restrictions. Whatever happened to reasonable compromise? How about a fair compromise – suspend all background check requirements and shipping limitations for duration that retail locations are… Read more »

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Finnky
Reasonable common sense compromise is two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner.

tetejaun
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tetejaun

Again, you are wrong about the NRA.

Knute
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Knute

TTJ) And, once again you ignore reality in favor of the “cult of wayne”. My god, the NRA was bragging about getting the GCA 68 passed… in “The American Rifleman” in 1969!
Oops. I forgot. Your disability doesn’t allow you to remember anything before yesterday. Oh well. I guess that means you’ll never know… about anything.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

@Knute – The NRA also bragged in its publications about literally helping to craft all of the pre-’68 legislation too, going back to NFA. The NRA is more of a traitor to 2A rights than anyone has been willing to admit. Time for them to go away permanently and for GOA/FPC/SAF to assume the reins & bring our wagon train back to the Liberty Tree.

Doszap
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Doszap

The NRA was started by Democrats, LaPierre was a Democrat before he took over the reigns from Marion Hammer.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

@Doszap, I have long wondered if WLP isn’t a DemoRAT party mole in the NRA for the purpose of undermining 2A defense. The man talks the talk, but he walks in the exact wrong direction…

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, It is my belief that WLP is on his own side. He plays everyone to stay in control of his money making machine that used to be the NRA.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

@WB, I’ve considered that too and I have no doubt that the lust of money drives every strategic decision that Whiny LaPuke makes… it’s just that given his political origins & staff work prior to being embedded in the NRA, and what we know now of the Dem’s long-term plans for the abolition of basic rights it seems pretty easy to conclude that his bleeding the NRA dry is a central part of the overall strategy. Has anyone at all stopped to look at WLP’s “outside counsel” to the NRA, William Brewer?? This shark is into the NRA’s coffers to… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, The contributions, of everyday people, going to the NRA to pay Brewster, who contributes to anti-Second Amendment Civil Rights organizations is the scariest part of all.
Who would have ever thought that our sacrifices would fund efforts to enslave us?

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

@WB, Before Brewer I was royally ticked at NRA for their approximate 90 year history of betraying gun owners, but after I found out about his true allegiances and what he was doing with his overinflated paychecks, I HIT THE ROOF!!!

If I was angry at NRA before, NOW I DESPISE THEM AND EVERYONE WHO WILLFULLY DEFENDS NRA (member or not) KNOWING WHAT A SLIME WLP IS – AND THE BOD’s THAT HAVE PROTECTED HIM AND REWARDED HIM!

And yes, that has put me at indefinite enmity with a few people here at Ammoland including at least one regular contributor.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, I am ashamed to even mention how much money WLP con’ed me out of.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

@WB, I ante’d up for a life membership many years ago and so you’re not alone. As they say, “repent, go and sin no more”. I’d say you got #1 down and I’m not worried about #2. Lessons learned!

RetUSAF
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RetUSAF

I agree! I wasted my money on a Benefactor Life membership. I wish I could get all my NRA money back, then give it to SAF and the GOA. The organizations that are really fighting for gun rights.

Oldman
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Oldman

@RetUSAF, The fact that we ever have had to have any pro-gun organazations in our Constitutional Republic is enough to make me puke. My Benefactor/Patron Life status in the NRA was all just a pipe dream………sad

Knute
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Knute

WB) The slavemaster’s have thought, and written, about it a LOT! Since AT LEAST 1979! “The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintaining some measure of social order, peace, and tranquility for the ruling upper class.” -Silent Weapons for… Read more »

Knute
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Knute

In total agreement. NRA has been the traitor in our midst since well before 1968. I didn’t mention that since tete can’t even think back to 1968, so I thought mentioning the NFA might make his little brain explode like a martian listening to Slim Whitman! IMO, those who worship (or worsuck… 🙂 ) his wayneship are just stuck with CNN’s mantra about the NRA. Since they falsely claim that all the gun control is opposed by the NRA, he just can’t get what he saw on TV out of his head. He’s stuck with his washed brain now. And… Read more »

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

You made me ROFL at the mention of Slim Whitman! Ironically, I just made a Mars Attacks meme last night. I’ll share here so you too can get a good laugh.

Knute
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Knute

That’s the best part of that movie. Slim Whitman’s yodeling makes their heads explode! As one who grew up listening to my parents play his records over and and over, I can relate!
But it was good in it’s portrayal of phony wresting too.
Just a sign of our times. Phony is about all that exists now that any truth is under constant attack. As evidenced by how easily they washed whatever is left of tete’s tiny little brain.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Well why not make some popcorn, then, and put on a video of Edwin Vieira expounding on the 2nd Amendment, and watch tete’s little tête go boom?

Knute
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Knute

Hey, nice play on words! I didn’t know you were a wordsmith too.
Plus I used to love Calvin and Hobbs. That and “The Far Side” and “Bloom County” were about the only reason to read the newspapers after they all went to shit. All gone now. Shit, now I’m depressing myself 🙁
Think I’ll go watch some heads explode! 🙂

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

This is why I became a Kekistani national and changed my occupation to meme-smith. It’s very amusing and I make people laugh. Now as far as watching heads explode, I suggest you dig through a friend’s sci-fi collection on VHS and watch a 1981 flick called SCANNERS. You’ll get a bang out of it.

Or you can watch selected clips from Sean Connery in OUTLAND, where the space miners lose their minds, explosively decompress, then lose their heads. All the stuff that will give tete nightmares.

Knute
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Knute

Two good flicks. Saw them both back in the day. Drove 40 miles to see “Outland” in a drive in! Always liked Sean Connery. And he’s a frontier sheriff fighting the corrupt corpocracy? What’s not to like? It’s just a true story, but set on Jupiter.
Similar to “Total Recall”.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Stop deepthroating Wayne LaPierre like that. It’s unseemly. He is a traitor to 2A and EVERYONE in the NRA who supports him is either a gullible fudd or also a 2A traitor. Negotiating Rights Away has done more damage to our gun rights than ALL of the antigun groups that ever existed COMBINED. No gun control law EVER passed that didn’t have NRA’S BLESSING.

I dare you to prove me wrong by documented facts alone. I know you wont because you CAN’T. Stop shilling for Whiny LaStink and put your pink panties back on!

Doszap
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Doszap

That’s why I stopped my membership and have devoted all my $$ and focus on the GOA.

Knute
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Knute

Its the 1986 one that did it for me. After they did that I could no longer look the other way at the NRA’s constant betrayals. I dropped them and joined a new kid in town called the GOA instead.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

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Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

Finnky, you’re standing on quicksand. There is no provision in the Constitution for the suspension of basic rights during times of public emergency/danger/war. The 2A is the one overarching article in the Bill of Rights that has an absolute injunctive clause; “shall NOT be infringed”. It’s this basic: “WHAT PART OF ‘NO’ DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND?” I support the idea of internet shopping. But when I say internet shopping, I mean no BATF, no gun laws, NO 4473 AT ALL, and it gets shipped DIRECT TO YOUR FRONT DOOR, SIGN TO CONFIRM RECEIPT OF YOUR GUN. PERIOD. Same goes for ammo,… Read more »

ras52
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ras52

No BATF, no gun laws, no 4473, direct shipment to my door and gun stores open also, now that sounds like the way things should be! Great ideas! Like it used to be in the old days.

Arny
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Arny

One used to be able to purchase a firearm & ammunition at the General Store. I only know of one store in PA that still operates this way. They are in the hills & you still need the background check for a firearm. I am pretty confident there are more across the USA. But this used to be the norm. It is one of my favorite stores in a small community. They sell everything from fishing gear,food,clothes,riding mowers,sheds,firearms, ammo, & gas. I’m confident I missed a few items. Very impressive for a small store. I may move there one day… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Arny, There was a general store in, I believe, Oslo, Mn. that was like that. Tigen’s General Store, as I recall.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@ras, If you buy a gun from the federal government, through the CMP program, there is no 4473, no sales tax, and the rifle come direct to your door. Funny how the federal government does not inconvenience itself.

Tionico
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Tionico

BUT.. I just read that CMP are closed down “for the duration”. and also before you can get anything from them y0u first have to register with them…… oroof you have taken a firearms training course that included live fire, and some proof you are not a felon.. a sort of simple background check. Character refrences, and membership in some gun elated organisation. So its not like José and his son Miguél can just sign up the week after they swiim the Rio Grande.

ras52
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ras52

WB, thanks for that info.

Tionico
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Tionico

1980 I had some coyotes getting after my ducks and geese. I had a prescription guaranted to cure the disease, so I hopped into my trusty old Volvo, DROVE ACROSS the state line to a sporting goods store I liked, walked past the tents, fishing poles, canoe paddles, and up to the section with guns. Saw a Ruger 10/.22 on a display shelf, “SALE $79.95”. Had no idea what it was. Iggerunt er whut? I asked to see it. I was not looking for an autoloader, a bolt gun would have been fine. He handed it me, I hefted it,… Read more »

ras52
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ras52

Got a 10/22 in 70 for 59.95 if I remember correctly. Great little gun!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Finnky, Once again, I must point out that there is no “… they allowed… ” to it. Drop the slave mentality and recompute for equal to government before the law.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

Finnky, Sorry, I have problems with them closing anything no matter what the excuse. A free person abides no restrictions without their consent. You may consent to it, I do not.
If a fool wishes himself to be enslaved, stand not in his way. If he wishes you to be enslaved alongside him, thrust quickly your sword through his neck, and be done with it. Cossack saying

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

The Constitution is not suspended in a emergency so Eff the Marxist gun grabbers of this nation, perhaps they care to move to China where they will be happy.

Darkman
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Darkman

According to Gov. Cuomo. It is in New York. He ordered the National Guard to begin Confiscation of Company and Private Property on Saturday 4/4/2020. By executive order. Without Due Process of Law. Guaranteed in the 5th Amendment. If 1 Right can be Denied…All Rights can be Denied. Wake Up. Once IT Starts. There is Never an End to anything the government does. Keep Your Powder Dry…

Knute
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Knute

They’re doing it to Germany too. And France. So: same shit, different day.
https://www.rt.com/news/484935-us-takes-masks-germany/

Tionico
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Tionico

they can do what they want, there… WE have our own house rules. Those people over there have agreed to live under their present overlords. Their call, their problem

This place MUST go by OUR house rules, Not the same.

Darkman
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Darkman

Watch his press conference from Friday. Even he is unsure what he is trying to do is legal.

Arny
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Arny

People need to start questioning Cuomos LIES. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugwBnaiwBk8&t=4s

Darkman
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Darkman

As well as P.P.E. and any other supplies he deems to want. Hope they don’t decide. You have something they want/need. And remember They decide what that is. Regardless of the 2nd. Once that door is opened …It never closes.

Darkman
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Darkman

Or anything they deem to want. Guns, Ammo,and the like.Once 1 Amendment is denied. Especially Due Process. Like in Red Flag Laws.
Benjamin Franklin once said: “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

MagnumOpUS
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MagnumOpUS

@USA:
Except no one is hoarding respirators, especially these upstate hospitals which might feel inclined to keep theirs ready for their own patients when these areas get hit.

What Kuommunist wants to do makes it clear that he considers the lives of NYC libtards more valuable to him than those of conservatives in upstate, or any other part of New York.

Stay safe, fellow patriots.
God bless!

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Actually it’s from upstate hospitals /medical facilities.
Which would amount to a un constitutional taking unless compensated for.

Will Flatt
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Will Flatt

I’m sure we can help them out by giving them all a helicopter ride part of the way there, but due to fuel costs and the time/distance involved, they’ll have to swim the rest of the way.