Kenosha WI: Huber Gives Judge the Middle Finger at Rittenhouse Hearing

Screenshot from Youtube video of hearing, cropped, scaled and yellow text added by Dean Weingarten.

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- On 11 February 2021, there was a bond hearing for Kyle Rittenhouse, conducted on Zoom, over the Internet, by Judge Bruce E. Schroeder.

The hearing was requested by the District Attorney Office, represented by DA Thomas Binger.

Those opposing Kyle Rittenhouse had characterized Kyle as dangerous and a white supremacist. There has not been any evidence presented to support this claim, other than claiming the OK hand sign is used by white supremacists. DA Binger appeared to be echoing those claims.

The hearing did not go well for DA Binger. Judge Schroeder corrected DA Binger on using the prejudicial word “victim” inappropriately, misinterpreting the law, misrepresenting fact, and misrepresenting bond procedures.

DA Binger, presumably, had invited one of the men who had attacked Kyle, Gaige Grosskruetz, to the hearing. Also invited (presumably by Binger) was the attorney representing Grosskruetz, Kimberly Motley; the attorney representing the two men who had attacked Kyle and who had been killed,  Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber; and Huber’s Father, John Huber (in the yellow shirt).

Kyle Rittenhouse has always claimed his use of deadly force during the Kenosha riots was justified self-defense.

Rittenhouse can be seen fleeing the mob before the shooting and being attacked in a coordinated manner by three men, two of which had weapons (a pistol and a skateboard).  It is all documented on video from numerous angles.

By the end of the hearing, Judge Schroeder had assured those present he was committed to the rule of law, a fair trial, due process, and respect for Constitutional rights. He stated he would treat everyone in his courthouse without regard to skin color.

Judge Schroeder reiterated his long-standing policy that the word “victim” would not be used in his courtroom because calling some parties involved “victims” prejudges the case.

In ordinary circumstances, this would be applauded and hoped for.

One of the functions of a trial is to determine who was the victim, especially in a self-defense case, where the person being tried claims they were attacked and defended themselves. The people Rittenhouse shot were white.

These are not ordinary circumstances.

Kyle Rittenhouse did not simply defend himself against multiple attackers, two of whom were violent felons (Rosenbaum and Huber). The people Rittenhouse shot were considered to be allies of the violent left.

The philosophy of the violent left holds the system itself as illegitimate, therefore, the rule of law is illegitimate.

The attitude is seen in John Huber’s response.  Huber, without evidence, read a prepared statement smearing Rittenhouse and claiming the people supporting Rittenhouse were “hate groups” and “militia”. Huber holds the laws to be illegitimate:

“Whatever the statutes are, they must be wrong.”

Huber holds the statutes must be wrong because they do not give him the result he wants.

John Huber appeared to make a veiled threat.  John Huber said:

“You’re not going to be free as F.  Justice is going to be served to you. “

Judge Schroeder was gentle with him, probably because he is expected to be a grieving father.

Judge Schroeder carefully explained the law, bail bond procedure, and the facts to the DA. Then he made his ruling.

John Huber’s response was the middle finger salute. A less disciplined and gentle judge than Judge Schroeder might have taken offense, if not for himself, then for the dignity of the court.

Perhaps John Huber has anger issues.

Judge Schroeder let it pass.

It seems unlikely such conduct will be allowed during the trial.

Analysis:

Those on the left have repeatedly shown they do not believe in the rule of law or of due process. They believe the system needs to be destroyed so they can replace it. They desire the rule of man.

Consequently, they show no respect for the rule of law or due process. Some prosecutors seem to have been recruited and have been elected on the premise the rule of law and due process are illegitimate.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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loveaduck
loveaduck
7 days ago

I saw one of the deceased screaming (on TV) at someone calling them the N word and challenging them to shoot him. How does that make him a left winger?

Finnky
Finnky
7 days ago

@Dean – I see Huber’s statement as a prediction rather than as a threat. Mainstream media made a big deal of photos showing Kyle in a “free as f***” T-shirt. Huber was likely referring to that shirt and predicting that Kyle will be found guilt, then punished by “the system”. Not that I doubt he could seek vigilante justice after court rules appropriately. Everyone seems to think that one finger salute was directed at the judge. Huber may have meant it for Kyle. Impossible to tell on video call, making such a gesture even less appropriate. I was happy to… Read more »

Grim
Grim
7 days ago

Anthony Huber, a felon, was raised by John Huber. Seems respect for the law hold little water in that family. Hope John does it again during trial and ends up in jail.
I have no empathy for either Huber.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago

It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. THAT is why freedom of expression is MOST important. John Huber removed all doubt in the process of being called on his misinformation to the court.

Get Out
Get Out
8 days ago

Question is, did the Judge even see the middle finger on the screen at the time it happened? Now that it’s been brought to the judges attention, Huber should be charged with contempt of court.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago
Reply to  Get Out

Contempt of court should be reserved for when the Judge orders someone to not interrupt the proceedings. Huber might be guilty of perjury, but even the US Supreme Court allows you to show contempt.
“More than the mere use of a vulgar, profane, indecorous, scurrilous, or opprobrious epithet is required to support prosecution. The context in which the words are used must be considered and there must be a showing that they were uttered in a provocative manner so that there was a clear and present danger that violence would erupt.”People v. Patino; Jefferson v. Superior Court).

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago
Reply to  Get Out

It did not disrupt the court.

Get Out
Get Out
5 days ago

Contempt of court is defined as being any willful disobedience to, or disregard of, a court order or any misconduct in the presence of a court. It can also be in reference to an action that interferes with a judge’s ability to administer justice or that insults the dignity of the court.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
5 days ago
Reply to  Get Out

No willful disobedience or interference with the judge’s ability existed. Obviously, the Court/Judge was not able to be insulted. The only dignity lost in this was by the man who used the vulgar hand sign.

Laws for the purposes of punishment should be for reformation rather than vindictive justice. Jails are not an unlimited resource. Given the choice between having a child molestor and a vulgar man in jail, what is YOUR priority?

Last edited 5 days ago by JohnLloydScharf
Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
5 days ago

Laws for the purposes of punishment should be for reformation rather than vindictive justice. That’s quite amusing as that is exactly what the prosecutor is doing to Rittenhouse. The video that he obviously has seen proves without a doubt it was self-defense, not murder. There is no choice between a vulgar man and a child molester, the man clearly acted childish and is disrespecting the judge and the court. If the prosecutor had any respect for the law, he would not be prosecuting Rittenhouse; clearly the father of the deceased shares similar qualities. We should expect equal treatment under the… Read more »

Get Out
Get Out
4 days ago

Nope, It’s contempt of court.

For her effort, Soto first had her bond doubled, then was called back once more for criminal contempt after showing him her middle finger, which resulted in a 30-day sentence.
Find Out What You Get When You Flip Off a Judge (bitterempire.com)

JNew
JNew
8 days ago

Given the covidiot-ridden circumstances of this case which forced it to move online, I’m disappointed the judge did not hold Mr. Huber accountable for these actions. I understand the judge is trying to maintain decorum given the parties involved, but such blatant disrespect should’ve been called out.

Get Out
Get Out
8 days ago

IMOA, they need to get on with the trial and begin by showing the jury all of the video of the violent mob chasing, catching and assaulting Rittenhouse on multiple occasions forcing him to defend himself from the violent mob. They say, “A picture is worth a thousand words” these videos should be worth trillions that should exonerate Rittenhouse.
Also, eligible gun owners should exercise their civic duty and volunteer to be placed in the jury pool.

HLB
HLB
8 days ago
Reply to  Get Out

This eligible gun owner was denied access to the jury pool because the local sheriff would not accommodate his lawful weapon at entry to the courtroom.
HLB

Ram
Ram
8 days ago

Is Gaige “Lefty” Grosskruetz going to be charged with anything?

Arny
Arny
8 days ago

wonder how Rittenhouse parent would have made out, had they done the same ?

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago
Reply to  Arny

The judge is reasonable. The judge did not notice, so it cannot be said to have disrupted or disobeyed the judge. The judge recognized there was threat to the defendant’s life if his location were to be public record. The Court now has a way to contact Rittenhouse without it being on record. It was an error that fell through the cracks. The character exhibited in his life prior to this incident has been laudable and he is being tracked by those who put up his bail. I would consider him to be in great danger requiring too high a… Read more »

TexDad
TexDad
8 days ago

I’ve always had a minor heartache with the whole “contempt of court” thing. It’s like fining or jailing people for declining to kneel or kiss the ring.

That being said, this guy’s statement was a load of bull devoid of fact and logic. I’m sure it would be painful for him to face the truth that his son’s death was his son’s own fault for attacking Kyle Rittenhouse.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago
Reply to  TexDad

A famous modern day philosopher once said, “Facts don’t care about your feelings.” Courts exist to be finders of fact; not a safe place for group therapy. It obviously did not disrupt the proceedings since he did not see it.

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Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
7 days ago

And you know that the judge did not see that how? Regardless, it is still showing disrespect for the judge and the court system that he is hoping will punish Rittenhouse for defending his life from his felon son that attempted to murder Rittenhouse.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago

I know it because of the video and the still taken from it that the judge was looking at a written document in front of him. It is posted in the article and is at the 45:11 part of the video. As a prospective juror, my testimony indicated a concise and pointed disrespect of the court. I also submitted a document objecting to the process. Disrespect of the court does not constitute contempt of court when it does not disrupt the court with disobedience.  It must be a form of behavior that opposes or defies the authority, justice and dignity… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
7 days ago

In FACT, you assume the judge DID see it and have no respect for the fact he took no action on it. Your hypocrisy is evident. Should he fine or jail you for that? Your statement and question are both stupid. There is no hypocrisy in my comment, your claiming so does not make that correct. The father was disrespectful to the court and the judge. The hypocrisy is in the actions of John Huber. He wants the court to punish Rittenhouse for his self-defense action against his son, but disrespects that same court. The judge might not have seen… Read more »

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago

Thanks for proving my point about free speech. Your disrespect of the actions of the judge during and after the fact are evident. Just as Huber’s disrespect is. You prove my point about your ignorant hypocrisy.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
7 days ago

Again, you claim something that does not exist in reality. Your projection proves only those claims about yourself.

JohnLloydScharf
JohnLloydScharf
7 days ago

No further response is necessary or will be noted.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
7 days ago

Something you stated that I agree with.

Tionico
Tionico
7 days ago
Reply to  TexDad

Generally speaking, I agree with your sentiment. It is sort of like the reigning poohbah must set the teacups about the table JUST SO and no other, and His High And Mightiness is absolute. In this case, however, the accused has been the victim all along, and should never have been jailed. Haivng studied the alledged “offenses” and the attendant texts of the relevant laws, he has been railroaded badly. The judge, in this isntance, is insisting on proper terms being used relative to the accused. After a couple weeks of the jury constantly hearing the ones who were hit… Read more »

unclejack
unclejack
8 days ago

That was great. Finally a judge that follows the law and who lives by his swearing to follow the constitution. God Bless Judge Schroeder.

Reason
Reason
8 days ago

Rotten apple did not fall far from the tree.

TStheDeplorable
TStheDeplorable
8 days ago

Mob “justice” is anarchy. The left wants mob “justice,” demonstrating their deep-seated and essential foolishness, because anarchy will hang their supporters if it suits them, just as they will hang their opponents. From Milwaukee to Seattle to Portland to D.C. we have learned that mob sentiment is more powerful these days that law, at least in the eyes of local officials. Way to go, democrats!

Mac
Mac
8 days ago

Grieving father or not STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
8 days ago

based on this guys behavior I think we can see why his son ended up a felon.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
8 days ago

Who’s to say the father isn’t also a felon?

Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
7 days ago

Good point.

Tionico
Tionico
7 days ago

he may yet be!!!! If he cannot control his MotorMouth in this judges courtroom he may well be so charged. Ths judge seems to be a no nonsense guy, determined to do al HE can to make certain this trial is fair.

WI Patriot
WI Patriot
8 days ago

Now, had it been a conservative acting in such a fashion, a liberal judge would’ve dispatched local LE and have him arrested for contempt…the law, no matter how applied, is still one sided, regardless of which side you happen to be on…

Rittenhouse will be exonerated, but the toll it takes on him will be tremendous…

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
8 days ago
Reply to  WI Patriot

When found INNOCENT of ALL charges, Mr. Rittenhouse MUST turn around and SUE every one of these LYING DINGOS who have been and are PERSECUTING him for DEFENDING HIMSELF according to OUR AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS!!!!!

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
8 days ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

That DA needs to be imprisoned for falsely accusing and prosecuting an obviously innocent person. I also got the impression that the DA was signaling to others not to attack the person living at Rittenhouse’s last known address. He repeatedly stated that the person now residing was in danger and that no one should assault the person currently living at that address as that person has no connection to Rittenhouse. That also implies that if the person currently there had a connection to Rittenhouse, assaulting that person would be warranted. I believe the judge does not trust the DA not… Read more »

Last edited 8 days ago by Heed the Call-up
Tionico
Tionico
7 days ago

your last point is spot on. WHEN will that dirtbag felon in possessioin be charged?