Firearms Owners Against Crime Spars with JSD Supply Over Unfinished 80% Gun Frames

HARRISBURG, PA-(Ammoland.com)- Gun Show promoter, Eagle Arms, has caved in to pressure and banned JSD Supply and others from selling unfinished frames and receivers at Pennsylvania gun shows.

The ban came after notorious anti-gun Attorney General Josh Shapiro applied pressure on the promoter. He wasn’t the only one to squeeze Eagle Arms. A Pennsylvania state gun rights group also encouraged the host to ban the sale. That group is the Firearms Owners Against Crime (FOAC), which Kim Stolfer leads.

I first heard of the looming ban last week from a contact inside the show. The same person informed me that he witnessed Stolfer approach the JSD Supply tables and berated the employees while he was working the show. Stolfer told the unnamed employee he should be ashamed of himself.

I reached JSD Supply President, Jordan Vinroe, who confirmed that his employees did have a run-in with FOAC’s Kim Stolfer.

Since I am involved in other gun rights organizations, I didn’t want to write an article about the interaction. Also, for full disclosure, I have had friendly exchanges with JSD Supply and FOAC in the past.

When the ban went into effect, and news stories started coming out, A.G. Shapiro took a victory lap. A lot of articles quoted Stolfer and portrayed him as being instrumental in the ban. On private Facebook groups, I have access to organizations like CeaseFire. I saw them starting to talk about how to capitalize on the victory and will start pushing the talking point that “even gun rights groups admit there is a problem with ghost guns.”

My journalism integrity and my curiosity kicked in. I could write what would seem like a “hit piece” on FOAC, or I could write “this is just the gun world policing themselves” (Also, for full disclosure, I disagree with the latter). Thinking the media can take things out of context, I decided to reach out to Stolfer and FOAC, to get their side of the story, and clear up what he thinks.

After talking to Stolfer, I decided to give Jordan Vinroe a chance to respond to the charges that Stolfer lays at JSD Supply’s feet. I also recorded the raw audio of both phone calls with the permission of both Vinroe and Stolfer and uploaded it to YouTube for anyone to listen to and decide for themselves. This way, the reader can listen and make their own decision. Both embedded below.

My Conversation With Kim Stolfer About Unfinished Receivers

To Stolfer’s credit, he doesn’t deny the exchange with JSD Supply. He said he doesn’t remember exactly what he said but stands by the statement and went even farther and said JSD Supply doesn’t have a soul. In the phone call, he made damning accusations against the retailer accusing them of everything from marketing to criminals to being responsible for blood in the streets.

I feel the best and fairest way to write the article and include the allegations and then give JSD Supply’s response. I have attached both raw and unedited phone calls in the article, and I encourage everyone to listen to call exchanges and make up their own mind.

He points out that murderers killed five people in Philadelphia with completed guns made from Polymer80 kits. He seems to lay the blame at JSD Supply’s feet because, at the Morgan Town gun show, the AG did a sting and arrested four felons with P80s. One of the individuals arrested also had a Smith & Wesson 38spl revolver.

He makes the claim that JSD Supply is illegitimate and selling the kits for their own financial gain. He claims that selling the unfinished frames at the gun shows for cash means the company employees have no conscience and no soul. He states that the company “knows the people buying them are going to use them and turn them into crime.”

JSD Supply’s Vinroe says that this accusation is not the case. He says it is the everyday hobbyist that is purchasing his products. He says his business is legit and operates legally. He claims that the company has refused the kits’ sale to people they believe were up to no good.

For clarity, FOAC doesn’t want the Government to ban unfinished frames or make a registry but thinks the industry needs to self-regulate. They also believe there should be a paper trail when buying unfinished frames. Stolfer said people should pay by credit card or check to establish a traceable way for law enforcement. When pressed if this would constitute a registry, Stolfer said he doesn’t believe it is the same thing.

Vinroe says JSD Supply has no plan to stop accepting cash. The company believes people should be able to use any U.S. legal tender to pay for their purchases. He is also against the idea of a paper trail that he thinks a paper trail is like a registry.

FOAC by way of Stolfer also claims that JSD Supply is selling 50 to 100 kits at a time to random people at the gun shows. He believes that people in the InterCitys are setting up what amounts to assembly lines for firearms and then selling them on the streets. He equates it going out into the community and handing out kits and saying, “I don’t care what you do with them.”

Vinroe flat out denies any purchases of this size outside the sale of kits to other dealers. He did say sometimes people do group buys, but it has always been under twenty even then. Group buys are common in the firearm world. It is when a group of people pool their money to buy an item at a discounted price.

Also, Stolfer believes that dealers shouldn’t sell unfinished frames in certain areas. I asked him if that meant minority areas. At first, he said that was correct. Later he corrected himself and said, “high crime area.” From investigating the Shapiro surveillance operations, the officers seem to be more interested in black customers than white customers, so that is why I asked the question.

Vinroe says they sell at gun shows and can’t control where the shows are hosted. He believes that Stolfer was referring to minority areas. He points to the AG’s monitoring of minority buyers as an example of discrimination.

Stolfer also says JSD Supply only sells 80% kits at the show. I can’t say what they were selling at the show he was attending, but I have purchased a Sig trigger from JSD Supply in the past. He was adamant that JSD Supply only sold kits that people turned into “crime guns.”

I verified with Vinroe that they do, in fact, sell other parts, including triggers. He doesn’t know why Stolfer said that they only sell kits.

Stolfer also takes issue that JSD Supply does not have any signs on their building. He states it looks like a storage area and that JSD brings the kits in from Ohio. He believes they are not a legitimate business because of that.

JSD Supply’s owner, Jordan Vinroe Response To FOAC

Vinroe told me that JSD Supply doesn’t have a storefront and doesn’t want to be targeted from a robbery, so they don’t have signs. He says some parts come from Ohio, but most do not. He doesn’t understand why where the kits come from was even brought up in the conversation.

Stolfer ends by harkening back to his time in Vietnam as a Marine and says the bloodshed he saw shaped his opinion. He also says that he has done more for gun right in the Keystone State than any other person.

Vinroe, for his part, doesn’t get why a pro-gun organization would be working with Anti-gun Democrats like Rep. Amen Brown. He has no plans on changing his business model.

Who is right? That is for you to decide!


Recent Press Releases from State Rep. Amen Brown, D-Phila and Firearms Owners Against Crime (FOAC) on the Ban

Press Releases from FOAC on the Ban

“PHILADELPHIA, March 15 – State Rep. Amen Brown, D-Phila., today announced an agreement he negotiated with the state’s largest gun show promoter and the PA Office of Attorney General to ban the sale of ghost gun kits at its shows.

Brown, a first-term lawmaker representing Philadelphia’s 190th Legislative District, joined Attorney General Josh Shapiro at a morning news conference to announce the agreement to halt the sale of 80% receiver kits at Eagle Arms gun shows. Eagle Arms owner credited Brown for leading him to the decision to ban these kits after Brown reached out to him to explain the devastation these kits were doing to the West Philadelphia communities he represents and communities across the city and the state.

Brown said after visiting one of the company’s gun shows and watching how easily it was for individuals to purchase ghost guns and knowing these same types of guns are being used in his district to commit crimes, he recognized that immediate action was needed. Eagle Arms Production holds about 42 gun shows in the state each year.

“It is my job to do everything I can to fight for and protect my community,” Brown said. “It is beyond heartbreaking to see how many lives are being lost and how many families are left in anguish due to senseless gun violence – the impact on my community is grave. The way in which these kits can so easily be purchased by anyone from table vendors who don’t live anywhere near my communities is alarming and sad.

“After watching people leave the show with duffel bags full of these kits, heading straight for Philadelphia, I pulled the needed parties to the table to figure out what can be done today that does not require legislation or policy change, and this agreement is the outcome of bringing people together and working as a collective unit. I applaud Eagle Arms for becoming the first gun show promoter in the nation to stop the sale of these kits turned so easily into deadly weapons.”

Ghost guns typically start as 80% receivers that are sold in kits without background checks. They easily and quickly be put together, lack serial numbers so they cannot be traced, and, once fully assembled, can operate as fully functioning firearms. In Philadelphia, 99 ghost guns were recovered in 2019 and 250 were recovered in 2020. More than 80 have been recovered so far in 2021.

Brown said he is preparing legislation to bring an end to violent crime in the state. He is proposing that any previously convicted felon who is found to be in possession of an illegal firearm would be subject to progressively stronger sentences and a minimum term of incarceration. He is proposing that these interventions be installed for four years before sunsetting to stabilize communities currently roiling in senseless violence.

“While we work with businesses like Eagle Arms to reduce the number of guns coming to our streets, we also must make it known to those committing crime and assembling these guns and murdering innocent people that they will be held accountable for their actions and will not have a fast release,” Brown said. “It is hard to witness what is happening in my community, as well as hear the fear that my constituents have each day. Members of my community are in constant fear of their safety due to the constant violence that is taking place in our neighborhoods.

“Today’s agreement with Eagle Arms proves that if we come together with honest conversation and understanding, we can create much-needed change. It gives me great hope in being able to work with my colleagues and across the aisle as needed to implement legislation that will make our communities safer.”

Send Feedback to State Rep. Amen Brown, D-Phila here.”


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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HLB
HLB
26 days ago

I have listened to “JSD Supply’s owner, Jordan Vinroe Response To FOAC”. At 16:00 in to the call Mr. Vinroe says some interesting things that may be the reason the anti-80% people did what they did. You should listen to that. I think the anti-80% people do not go about their day thinking of the rule of law and the Constitution. They are thinking, “How can I bend this situation to give me what I want in life?”. We have very few people who want to run a country based upon agreed rules (Constitutions); the way this country was designed… Read more »

CourageousLion
CourageousLion
27 days ago

I’ve bought P80’s on sale and 80% AR lowers on sale too. And took them to gun shows and sold them for cash for 3x what I paid for them. Not a single one was ever sold to ANYONE that I thought would use it in a bad way. Typically they were good ol boys buying them as old as 70! Not a single “gang banger” bought any at all. Am I bad for wanting people to be able to be armed and basically tell the psychopathic control freaks to F off? I actually don’t even own a single P80… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
23 days ago
Reply to  CourageousLion

@CL – Criminals very rarely remove serial numbers. Why would they bother as tracing won’t lead to them anyway? Have hear different cops usually don’t bother tracing firearms, because it is a dead end. This is why they want UBC. So they can charge last owner of record who had reported it stolen. Charged with unsafe storage, because trigger locks inside a safe, in a locked house with electronic and video security, inside a gated community with hired armed security is sometimes insufficient. Despite whatever measures you took, your gun ended up in the hand so of a fifteen year… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
23 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

You know where Bonnie & Clyde got their BARs, right?

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
23 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Yes, a US National Guard Armory.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
23 days ago

Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

“The government can’t safeguard its guns, but you must or you will go to jail.”

“SBSs were not weapons of war, so you can’t have them (even though they really were).”

“AR15s are weapons of war, so you can’t have them (even though they really weren’t).”

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
23 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

SBSs were not weapons of war, so you can’t have them (even though they really were).

Yes, the BS 1939 Miller decision.

Finnky
Finnky
20 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I did not. Thank you & @Heed for that nice tidbit.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
18 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Man, that sounds to me like you live in Oregone. Just what the legislature is trying for here.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago

You people, (Law Abiding American Citizens) want to stop ALL this gun show and illegal gun purchase BS? You put a federal officer at the door to the gun shows to run a FELONY CHECK on the ID’s of those that are entering the shows… If a “CONVICTED FELON” is caught attempting to enter a gun show, BAM! INSTANT ARREST AND INCARCERRATION, 10 YEARS, NO PAROLE! BOOM!

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
18 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

I like.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago

I am anxious to see just how many “serialized” and “background checked” firearms bought and sold at all the Eagle Arms shows since their beginning, that have either committed murder, wounding, hold ups, threats against others, etc.? Then I wonder if the AG would have ANY DAMN CLUE as to the tracking of these “serialized” and “background checked” firearms came from gun stores, vs. gun shows, vs. stolen?

I mean, ANY crack smoking monkey would research ALL THE ANGLES prior to making ANY statements, accusations, legislation, restrictions, violations of rights and sovereignty, RIGHT?

Last edited 27 days ago by USMC0351Grunt
Finnky
Finnky
20 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

@Grunt – Absolutely no firearms (serialized or not) from any Gun Show ever – have “committed murder, wounding, hold ups, threats against others” ever. While it is quite possible that a human being has done so while using such firearms, no firearm has ever committed any acts, much less violent acts.

HLB
HLB
27 days ago

I listened to “Conversation With Kim Stolfer About Unfinished Receivers” and I can say that Stolfer is a very confused man. He can not decide whether he wants all citizens or just the ones he approves of to have freedom to keep and bear arms. Kim Stolfer said at 20:18, “We are going after these criminals” And at 20:32, “we have to do something as a community to police ourselves,… or the government will… will police our issues for us.” Mr. Stolfer is welcome to do all the policing he wants on his own time and leave my tax money out… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  HLB

“we have to do something” – those five words frequently precede a pitch for a totalitarian agenda:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Same thing is, “All you gotta do…” Hear these words and RUN LIKE HELL!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

Good advice.

Arny
Arny
27 days ago

I bet if they actually HAD held them responsible, we wouldn’t need to ban 80s. They actually believe not selling an unfinished firearm will solve Phillys problem. Just laughable. Kind of same type of lie, like 90% of Americans support background checks. lol

Last edited 27 days ago by Arny
Tionico
Tionico
27 days ago

Just had a long and helpful conversation with Mr. Amen Brown on hispart in this whole thing. He came accross as genuine, informed, and wiht a heart to get to the proble, Hi is a black man who lives in West Philly neighbourhoud where he readilyh says HE is not safe in his own neighbourhood.. because of the high crime He is in close touch with both his own neighbourhood nd local law enforcement. He has worked closely for years and knows personall the owner of Eagle Arms gun shows, and Stolfer. He tells me he has perosonally seen people… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

What a load of BS. Did you ask Brown whether he has taken any steps to improve the dysfunctional micro-culture in Philadelphia? You spoke with him about people breaking firearm laws. Did you discuss murder, rape, armed robbery, and people illegally entering residences? Did you discuss meaningful sentences for those crimes? Did you discuss dramatically cutting back on paroles? Did you discuss the false narrative of “Blacks are over-represented in prisons,” so black criminals need to be let out early? Did you speak with him about “female acquaintances” of career criminals buying factory-produced firearms for those criminals? Did you discuss… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

“Brown said he is preparing legislation to bring an end to violent crime in the state.”

You cannot legislate an end to violent crime. It takes a change in culture – and that takes a lot of work.

https://www.pahouse.com/RepAmen/InTheNews/NewsRelease/?id=118872

RoyD
RoyD
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

In history, sometimes wetwork.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

Sometimes I wonder if the people who keep proposing law after law have not studied history or if they have studied history and want to repeat it. Some of both no doubt. Everyone involved in this farce keeps tiptoeing around the problem because it’s ugly and hard to fix, so they blame “ghost guns.” In less than six months they will pass more gun control laws and that won’t work. In less than six months after that – more gun control laws. During that time more little kids and other innocent people will die because politicians and their enablers are… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

It would be helpful if there was greater transparency in Philadelphia violent crime. In 2020, there were 499 homicides. How many were not legally justified (let’s call that number “W”)? How many of “W” resulted in arrests (let’s call that number “X”)? How many of “X” resulted in charges (let’s call that number “Y”)? How many of “Y” were not dismissed (let’s call that number “Z”)? How many of “Z” involved a person who was charged that was out on probation (related to a different crime) at the time the homicide was committed? How many of “Z” were plea bargained?… Read more »

Last edited 27 days ago by JSNMGC
HLB
HLB
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

He seems to understand the larger picture, and is dedicated to preserving OUR right to arms.”

Mr. Amen Brown does not in any way represent my right to keep and bear arms. His problems are not of my creation and his solutions will violate my rights. It is my hope that JSD Supply sets up across the street from Eagle Arms gun shows and sells all of the 80% receivers they can truck in.
HLB

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

When this “common sense” gun control “that we can all agree on* fails, what will be next? Why not talk about that now, because Amen and Kim’s plan will not work.

*For those people who struggle with sarcasm, that was sarcasm.

RoyD
RoyD
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

“he hopes his bill to come down on repeat criminal use of firearms will make progress toward reversing a bad trend.”

Hope in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up faster. A bullshit artist is a bullshit artist no matter what his or her stripe.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago

ODD? NO REPUBLICANS HERE! Robert R. Livingston, Wythe, R. H. Lee, Wolcott, Gerry, McKean, and Thornton, Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry, Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery, Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott, William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris, Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark, Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross, Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean, Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton, George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee,… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

HINT: EVERY ONE SIGNED THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE!

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
26 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

No Democrats either.

JSStryker
JSStryker
18 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

Considering the Republican Party wasn’t established until 1854, would be hard for them to sign it /smh. There were also no democrat signers since all the signers were British Citizens at the time.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
18 days ago
Reply to  JSStryker

British subjects.

Equalizer
Equalizer
27 days ago

Easy to see FOAC is not a bunch of American gun owners. As another stated the leadership is probably another paid member of Bloomberg’s organizations. It would be interesting to see how many of the members of the FOAC are actually gun owners and how many are actually residing outside cemeteries. Of the gun owners it would be interesting to see how many actually understand what the organization stands for. Sounds just like everything else the Demoncrat/Socialists try to pass off as “helping” stop or reduce crime.

Get Out
Get Out
27 days ago

What else will the promotor allow himself to be pressured into banning at his gun shows next, AR’s, standard 30 round mags, semi-auto guns etc.? Since he gave into the anti-gunners this time he’ll get more pressure from them to ban other gun related items.

Last edited 27 days ago by Get Out
Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
27 days ago

Kim Stolfer sounds like a Bloomberg shill. Follow the money trail to find out for sure. His statements posted in this story are contrary to FOAC’s supposed mission statement posted on their website. Something smells very bad about him/his organization. Our philosophy is summarized as follows: In a free society, no citizen should ever have to justify the assertion of a fundamental right. Indeed, unless there is a compelling reason, government should never inhibit the exercise of privilege either. A very general premise is that the best government is the least government.“When the government is not properly enforcing the laws… Read more »

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago

Should anyone pay real close attention, government doesn’t enforce any laws, sworn Law Enforcement Officers only come in as an after-the-fact when a law has been broken and seek to prosecute, if proven beyond a reasonable doubt in most cases.

USMC0351Grunt
USMC0351Grunt
27 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

Awww? Did the facts hurt somebody’s feelings?

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
26 days ago
Reply to  USMC0351Grunt

My post was on the hypocrisy shown by Stolfer as his “Mission statement” is at odds with his comments provided in this story. Law enforcement is a branch of government, therefore, yes, government does enforce laws, selectively, but they do enforce laws. I am not sure what you are trying to state in your post.

HLB
HLB
27 days ago

There are a lot of pro-gunners that find problems with me carrying my weapon where I go in my life’s journeys. They are not pro-gun or pro-rights. They simply want to control. Until I commit a crime, my life is non of anybody’s business and I will fight to remain free in my life, liberty, and property.

HLB

rick
rick
28 days ago

stolfer is no more than a racist gun control supporter trying to fool people with a pro-gun sounding moniker.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
28 days ago

I believe 80 percenters are a result of gun control and registration. If the left wasn’t so hot on pushing for registration and later confiscation, we probably wouldn’t have these because no one would be concerned.
IMO it’s their own dam fault they exist. I wish we had more of them in different brands. A really nice all metal 1911. What a nice gun.

Hazcat
Hazcat
28 days ago

So Stolfer wants a ‘paper trail’. What he means is he wants gun registration.

You can be sure that ‘FOAC’ is just a false front con control group and should be called out and hounded by the gun community at every opportunity.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
28 days ago

“’It is my job to do everything I can to fight for and protect my community,’ Brown said. ‘It is beyond heartbreaking to see how many lives are being lost and how many families are left in anguish due to senseless gun violence – the impact on my community is grave.'” Representative Brown should try this: Work with people in the high crime neighborhoods to improve the dysfunctional micro-culture that results in low impulse control; Work to increase the arrest rate for crimes such as murder, rape, armed robbery, and illegal entry into a residence; Work to increase the conviction… Read more »

Last edited 28 days ago by JSNMGC
Dubi Loo
Dubi Loo
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I would add what is Brown doing to eliminate Gang violence?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Dubi Loo

I agree, but that issue is included within all the bullet points.

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

To be BLUNT; THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS —- GUN VIOLENCE!!! An inanimate object(gun, knife, car, bat, board,hammer) can do NOTHING OF OR BY ITSELF!!! The VIOLENCE is ALWAYS done by a living being! This THUG or CRIMINAL being is always willing or WANTON to harm others!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

That’s what I wrote.

Jeff Knox
28 days ago

Even really good guys get it wrong now and then. I have worked closely with Kim Stolfer for years, and he has always been a stalwart defender of our rights. He’s not exaggerating when he says he’s probably done more than any other person to advance and protect gun rights in Pennsylvania. It looks to me like he got this one wrong. I look forward to talking with him about it soon.

The Crimson Pirate
The Crimson Pirate
28 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Knox

Kim has been getting things more and more wrong for a long time. I’ve known him and worked with him off an on since about 2008 or so. Here are some of his greatest hits. Around 2008 he and FOAC told many of us they wanted to train us to do what they were doing with lobbying and being activists. Then they shunned and ostracized anyone who didn’t fully support their specific gun law agenda. Kim himself encouraged me to pursue my interest in reforming knife law in PA. And then after I had put a lot of time and… Read more »

Last edited 28 days ago by The Crimson Pirate
Terry
Terry
28 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Knox

“Stolfer ends by harkening back to his time in Vietnam as a Marine and says the bloodshed he saw shaped his opinion.”

Having an opinion is one thing. Craping on other people’s rights is entirely different.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Knox

He spoke for 28 minutes. “Putting these guns on the street through nefarious means” (selling them for cash). “Crimes are being done with these guns.” (crimes are done with all sorts of guns, also – knives, gasoline, fists, etc.) “What do you need 50 kits for?” (who are you to determine what anyone needs?) “There is no established record of ownership.” But he’s not for a registration. “It’s a complicated issue.” (stop stuttering and explain exactly what you want) “There’s no way of tracking them.” (that’s the point) Talks about difference between gun show and gun shop. The guy making… Read more »

Last edited 27 days ago by JSNMGC
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
25 days ago
Reply to  Jeff Knox

Jeff Knox,

Do you have an update?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
23 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Jeff Knox,

Have you had an opportunity to speak with Kim?

The FOAC response defended Kim, but totally ignored the comments Kim made.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
18 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Jeff Knox,

Anything to report?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
15 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Jeff Knox,

Given Rob Pincus’s support for yet more gun control laws, do you have any update on Kim Stolfer’s comments about the “need to do something?”

RoyD
RoyD
28 days ago

“Stolfer ends by harkening back to his time in Vietnam as a Marine and says the bloodshed he saw shaped his opinion.”

Since Stolfer brought it up I would like to hear about “his time in Vietnam as a Marine.” I heard plenty of stories from the guys I served with from ’73 to ’76 and would be interested in hearing his “shaping” experiences. Of course he could just be full of shit.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
28 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

“Stolfer ends by harkening back to his time in Vietnam as a Marine and says the bloodshed he saw shaped his opinion.”

I don’t care.

Stag
Stag
28 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Just another oathbreaker.

Cruiser
Cruiser
27 days ago
Reply to  RoyD

There are more Vietnam Veterans now than there were during the Vietnam war. Only one in four who claim to be Vietnam Veterans actually served in Vietnam. I have proof I was there, my claim with the VA for agent orange. USMC ’70

Last edited 27 days ago by Cruiser
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Cruiser

John Kerry was in Vietnam.

John McCain was in Vietnam.

Colin Powell was in Vietnam.

Bob Kerrey was in Vietnam.

Al Gore was in Vietnam.

Richard Bluementhal thought he was in Vietnam (well, for a period of time he thought he was in Vietnam). He’s also sorry if you were offended by his lie.

There are plenty more anti-2nd Amendment people who were in Vietnam. Having been in Vietnam means nothing regarding someone’s credentials with respect to advocating for firearm rights.

Tionico
Tionico
27 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I know several folks who ahve been in VietNam. Born and raised there, lived through the hell of the Cong occupation, managed to escape Saigon as it was overrun with them, but only to a derelict frieghter drifting offshore. US Navy and Marins managed to get htem off those hell-pots and bring them here. THEIR perspective on life here in these United States is rather different than that of this Stolfer guy. THEY (the “boat people” hold strongly to their personal rigiht to arms, having b=seen firsthand what it meant to NOT have such means of protection. This Brown guy… Read more »

HLB
HLB
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

So we are now the “boat people” in our own country. Just a few of us are prepared to fight to keep our rights. No one will come pick us up and take us away to safety. But plenty of people will promise to fix the problems and those people will take our money and our freedom in their zeal to do so. You have to wonder about the mental condition of these types.

HLB

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
27 days ago
Reply to  Tionico

Yes. My point was obviously that being in the US military and stationed in Vietnam in the 60s or 70s does not confer any special status to someone to use to further diminish American’s rights.