Use a Gun in Chicago in Self Defense with No FOID, Go to Jail

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Use a Gun in Chicago in Self Defense with No FOID, Go to Jail

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- On Monday, 22 March, in Chicago, 15 people were recorded as being shot. Three of them were killed. One of those shot is recorded as acting in self-defense, on the South Side of Chicago. From the Chicago Sun Times:

An hour prior, a man was shot in South Deering on the South Side. They were sitting in a parked vehicle about 10 p.m. in the 2500 block of East 109th Street when two people walked up to them and fired shots, police said. A 25-year-old man was struck in the face and grazed in the neck area. He pulled out his own gun and returned fire but did not strike anyone.

He was taken to the University of Chicago Medical Center in fair condition. Police said a handgun was recovered at the scene, and the man does not have a valid FOID card or concealed carry license. He was taken into custody and charges are pending.

The case is of interest because it appears to be self-defense; the police do not mention the injured man as having any prior convictions, and the 25-year-old who was shot did not have a Firearms Owner Identification Card (FOID) or a Concealed Carry License (CCW).

Map of homicide and self-defense in Chicago 2018

The backup to obtain a FOID in Illinois was about four months in 2020. It is supposed to be done in 30 days. The backup was another four months, on average, for a CCW permit. A FOID is required before a CCW can be applied for.  Several lawsuits have been filed. In March of 2021, the same numbers were cited. The times to obtain a FOID or CCW in Chicago have been reported as significantly longer.

Part of the back-up is caused by significant demand for both the FOID cards and CCW permits.  In Chicago, there are other significant barriers. The CCW permit requires to have time spent at a range. No public ranges have been approved by the City Zoning Commission.  Carrying a gun on public transportation is forbidden. There is an exception for carrying a gun, unloaded, in a case, but it may not be well known.

If someone depends on public transportation, this places a significant obstacle to obtaining a CCW in Chicago.

If this correspondent were the young man who shot at attackers, after being wounded, I would want my attorney to point out how difficult it was to legally carry a gun in Chicago.

The police report “a handgun was recovered at the scene”.  It is difficult to know exactly what that means. It might mean the person arrested is keeping his mouth shut.

The case seems a good example of why Constitutional Carry is needed. The person who, it appears, the police believe was defending their and another person’s life, has been arrested after being wounded, for lack of paperwork which is very difficult to complete, in Chicago.

A famous English politician, William E. Gladstone once said, in 1868:

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Martin Luther King slightly misquoted him in the letter from Birmingham Jail.

Justice too long delayed is justice denied.

The sentiment goes back to at least 1646.

At what point does the refusal or inability of the state to issue permits in a reasonable amount of time, become a violation of fundamental Constitutional rights?

The numerous lawsuits filed in Illinois may provide an answer. Eventually.

John Lott, the famous researcher on the effects of legal concealed carry, has often written that minorities in crime-ridden urban areas, show the most benefit from an increase in the legal carry of firearms.

My research has demonstrated that the two groups that benefit the most from carrying guns are the likeliest victims of crime (poor blacks in high-crime urban areas) and people who are physically weaker (women and the elderly). Dozens of published peer-reviewed studies find similar results. —Texas & U.S. Law Shield Contributor Dr. John Lott, Jr.

There is a long-standing soft racism belief that minorities cannot be trusted with guns. That racism is strong in Chicago.

The song “Bad Bad Leroy Brown” reflected the stereotype of life on the South Side of Chicago.

On 2 February 2013, State Representative Dunkin stated black people have been kept unarmed in Chicago because their communities are where the concentration of poverty and crime exists. From representative Dunkin:

  ..in every state, the crime, the concentration of crime, and again, the abject poverty exists, exists exclusively and criminally in our community.

This correspondent reported on the Town Hall, 3rd Legislative District on 3 February 2013.  The report included a link to the video of the town hall.

Unfortunately, the video no longer seems to be available on the Internet. Reference to the town hall is still noted at this link. An audio clip that cuts out Dunkin’s statement listed above, is available at this link.  It shows the context is correct. In a show of hands at the town hall, 30 of 80 participants said they would seek a concealed carry permit.

A partial Youtube video is still online. It only shows the NRA representative Todd Vanermyde.

Dunkin’s straight talk was not appreciated by the powers that be in Chicago.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

Dean Weingarten

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Mikial
Mikial
13 days ago

All I can say is that people . . . real Americans, need to get out of places like Chicago and any other Liberal cesspool. You will be welcomed in free states. Move! Now! Yes, you will have to find work, but it can be done. Vaya Con Dios.

Cruiser
Cruiser
13 days ago
Reply to  Mikial

I have several friends, who are moving from Illinois up to Wisconsin.
Illinois is another California and New York, those states are dying.

Larry
Larry
14 days ago

As we have seen from the cases of Mike Strickland, Steve Baca, the McCloskeys, and Kyle Rittenhouse (as compared to the 574 BLM/Antifa riots that killed at least 25 police and citizens), self-defense by an innocent victim of assault is the #1 most important type of “gun violence” that the state must organize to stamp out.

swmft
swmft
14 days ago

you dont want armed victims, then law enforcement becomes paper filers…..this thug died in street after attempting to carjack 76 year old black female, shot twice lady needs loner until her firearm is processed….. After 5 or 7 years guns would be cheeep no crime

Last edited 14 days ago by swmft
StLPro2A
StLPro2A
14 days ago

“Use a Gun in Chicago in Self Defense with No FOID, Go to Jail”…..except if you are black or a gang banger.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
14 days ago
Reply to  StLPro2A

Low probability of even being arrested.

Stripeseven
Stripeseven
14 days ago

Ownership permit? Firearm ID card? 
Constitutional Rights are to be served by the state, not suppressed by it. No law abiding citizen should ever be forced to purchase some kind of a “Mommy May I” card, or be “Allowed” to exercise constitutional rights, never the less be charged a fee for, or taxed by the State. Serve not Rule..

Matthew S Harrison
Matthew S Harrison
14 days ago

It is a whole lot longer than a 4 month wait for FOID/CCL here in Illinoisistan.
My ccl renewal took 11 months(before rona) and a friend of mine just waited 10 months for his FOID. The state legislature stole about half the ISP FOID/CCL budget for pet projects……..go figure

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
14 days ago

Along with CONSTITUTIONAL CARRY, Legal Law Abiding American Citizens MUST have the same “coverage” that Police have. This coverage IS: QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!

HikerJohn316
HikerJohn316
14 days ago

Not exactly the same, but here in Columbus, GA a cop was chasing a suspect through a housing project. The suspect shot the cop and he went down unable to move much. The suspect then went back to the officer to finish him off. Then out steps a man with a gun and tells the guy who shot the cop to leave. Then lots of cops show up and it turns out that the good Samaritan was a felon. They took him into custody and to a holding cell with the door left open while they sorted things out. Numerous… Read more »

Arizona Don
Arizona Don
14 days ago

Self protection is a God given right guaranteed by the constitution. Not “granted” by the constitution but guaranteed it shall not be infringed by government. However, it turns out to be the most infringed upon amendment in our Bill of Rights other then the tenth amendment. But our constitution demands it not be infringed. Read the second amendment.  Furthermore constitutional, or perhaps more correctly second amendment, carry assists the law enforcement. After all America is supposed to be a nation of laws not of men. Restrictive gun laws assists the criminal. Intelligent people know that as a fact. Ignorant communist posing as democrats will not even consider facts in… Read more »

gregs
gregs
14 days ago

how do they square their not allowing law-abiding citizens to carry on public transportation with the Second Amendment, Heller and McDonald? Constitutional rights cannot be violated on public property, private property yes and federal law trumps state law.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
14 days ago

Dean is correct. Constitutional carry all across the U.S.A. and I always add that it is mandatory and any governor or law enforcement not following this law will be jailed for 10 years and fined 250,000.00 or more dollars.

WI Patriot
WI Patriot
14 days ago

Obviously all the drug dealers and gangbangers have their FOID cards…

RedBloodedAmerican
RedBloodedAmerican
15 days ago

The only gun law that should be on the books is the the 2nd Amendment. All others are garbage from the liberal anti-gun nuts.