VT: Amendment Poses Jeopardy for Citizens Engaged in Self-Defense

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H.145, by Rep. Maxine Grad, as currently written, would eliminate legal protections for those engaged in self-defense in the aid of others. IMG NRA-ILA

U.S.A. -(AmmoLand.com)- Legislation introduced this session to address policing that took a turn for the worse recently.  It was amended in the Senate and now represents a striking blow to citizens’ right to self-defense.  The bill had passed the House without the amendment, but the troublesome language was added late in the process before clearing the Senate.

H.145, by Rep. Maxine Grad, as currently written, would eliminate legal protections for those engaged in self-defense in the aid of others.  These protections evaporate if you are fending off a violent attack for anyone other than yourself or an immediate family member.  For example, the convenience store manager rescuing a clerk from an armed robber or an individual helping a neighbor who has come under violent criminal attack would now be in legal jeopardy and could face prosecution.  It’s also perplexing that the standard under the “justifiable homicide” statute is now at odds with those existing under the “aggravated assault” statute.

Vermont is a small rural state, and much of the state does not have local law enforcement, relying on state police coverage.  The state troopers are off duty between 2 a.m. and 6 a.m., leaving citizens to provide for their own self-defense in much of the state.

The bill has passed both chambers and was delivered to the Governor’s desk today.  Your immediate assistance is requested!  Please call Gov. Phil Scott at 802-828-3333 and respectfully ask him to veto H.145.​


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loveaduck
loveaduck
1 month ago

WTF?

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
1 month ago

Illegal to defend your self? What kind of idiot would even think of such a thing? Sounds like some legislators, judges, lawyers and enforcers need get rid of their security details and their own personal and issued weapons. Might as well get rid of the military also. I am sure there are no more evil people in the world anymore.

I will not comply

Arm up and carry on

Vern
Vern
1 month ago

If it is law, why would those body guards of said lawmakers be obligated to step in to defend said lawmakers in the first place?
One has to wonder about not only the intelligence of the lawmakers, but also of those who voted for them.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago

I have not been able to find a statement from the Vermont State Police opposing this bill.

Conversely, the Wyoming Highway Patrol, Wyoming Sheriffs, and Wyoming Police Chiefs all gave public testimony in opposition to the 2nd Amendment Preservation Act (as did Moms Demand Action and Anytown for Gun Safety).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21 “JSNMGC,CC just easily passed in Texas and will be signed into law next week by TX Gov.Greg Abbott. It must really be a kick in the ass to you that all your cherry picked links about LE opposition to it were wrong,including you!” Response to Will: Will, one of the reasons for the decline in support of LE (generally) is due to some active LEOs lying. You are a former LEO and you are lying again – that not only reflects poorly on you, it also adds one more data point to consider about LEOs. It’s not… Read more »

Last edited 1 month ago by JSNMGC
JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21:
 
“There you go with that old convoluted logic and deflection again. As ignorant as you are I guess that’s all that you have.”

Response to Will:

Just pointing out your lies.

My support for Texas constitutional carry is well-documented.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21: “Kid,I noticed you went basically silent when you found out passage of CC in TEXAS was imminent! All that cherry picked link bullshit of yours about LE blowed up in your face didn’t it? Things like that happen when you act the fool day in and day out! You had no support for its passage as evidence of them moronic idiotic links you posted and your own statements here on AMMOLAND. I just know how to read between the lines with fools like you,it’s very easy too. You are full of shit and that proved it beyond… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21   “It was sure convenient how you avoided all LE links in favor of CC! I wonder how that could possibly have happened?” Response to Will: “All LE links in favor of CC?” How many endorsements were there from LE agencies? In contrast to Ray Hunt’s opposition to the bill, Larry Smith’s comment was lackluster: “Ray Hunt, executive director of the Houston Police Officers’ Union, said his organization is taking a ‘cautious neutral’ position on the bill and will wait to see which amendments are adopted. The current permitting process works, he said, and without significant changes… Read more »

Neanderthal75
Neanderthal75
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You really don’t get it do you?

the representative of the Texas sheriff’s association stated before the committee publicly that the overwhelming majority of sheriffs in Texas supported the legislation!

This fact flies in the face of your regular position that most Leo’s oppose Pro 2A legislation.

Why don’t you just admit this fact and move on instead of obviating?

Cheers from the oil patch in Central Wyoming

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Neanderthal75

Are you referring to the “tepid support” from the Sheriffs’ Association that was offered after I had posted the link to the LEO opposition of the bill? “The Sheriffs’ Association of Texas signaled tepid support on Wednesday when they sent a letter to Schwertner that outlined three key areas of the bill that required ‘critical, must-have clarifications and amendments.’ Those tweaks, offered by Schwertner on the floor, strike from the bill a provision that would’ve expunged certain weapons-related charges on Texans’ criminal records, allow law enforcement officers to temporarily disarm a person who is detained and temporarily strip the permitless… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21

“LMFAO, if CC WOULD HAD FAILED PASSAGE YOU WOULD YELLING “I TOLD YOU SO” ! It passes and now you say you supported it? You try to cover all the bases but you even fail at that!”

Response to Will:

Again, I was in favor of constitutional carry in Texas. Why would I say “I told you so” if it failed?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/21: “Kid,you will never understand such a easy fact! LE are/is not legislators! Do you understand that concept? Would you like for me to run that by you for the 100th fucking time?” Response to Will: Will, the point is (obviously): Many LEOs announce their positions against pro 2nd Amendment legislation; They rarely oppose anti 2nd Amendment legislation; and Many voters (and therefore many legislators) listen to the opinions of LEOs because they mistakenly believe all LEOs are experts on matter. LEOs are losing support of many people because of the legislation they choose to support. Your emotional… Read more »

Neanderthal75
Neanderthal75
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I noticed that you are avoiding like the plague the other article here in Ammoland detailing the specific request by the Sheriff’s Association in North Carolina, requesting the legislature get rid of the extra permitting process for North Carolinians to buy weapons! The Sheriff’s Association stipulated that the existing NICS check made the previous permitting process useless and thus no longer needed. The Sheriff’s Association said that the old system now created more impediments for law abiding North Carolinians to buy weapons, therefore they wanted to get rid of it! So I can understand why you avoided this article; it… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  Neanderthal75

Didn’t seem like much of a big deal – LEOs trying to reduce their work load without reducing their headcount.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 5/8/1:

“Who gives a fuck what the Vermont State Police think about this Bill one way or the other? It don’t make a damn bit of difference!”

Response to Will:

Unfortunately, their opinion is important to many voters (and therefore many legislators).

Why are you so angry?

Desert Rat
Desert Rat
1 month ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will, CC passed out of the Senate but Lt. Gov. Patrick and some of the REPUBLICANS added some amendments so it has to go back to the House and that snake Patrick added at least one amendment that violates House rules which allow the anti-gunners to kill CC without taking a vote to go to conference to iron out the differences, Patrick was warned about this but he did it anyway. He has always worked against CC. Republicans are the ones who kill CC in Texas every time it comes up. Democrats always vote against CC but it takes Republicans… Read more »

Desert Rat
Desert Rat
1 month ago
Reply to  Desert Rat

I just got that alert about what Patrick did from GOA Texas this afternoon, 5/9/21.

KDad
KDad
1 month ago

Rep. Maxine Grad is surely a DemocRAT ! They’re ALL MORONS !!!

Trapman
Trapman
1 month ago

Are these people the type that would drive past a bad automobile accident if they were the first to encounter it? Heartless IMO.

swmft
swmft
1 month ago

the government wants to divide and conquer, first you have no right or responsibility to defend friends and neighbors then yourself bernie sanders at work ,with the rest of the liberal imports from mass and new yak