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Armed Citizen Stops Mass Murder in Chicago – Armed Citizen Stories

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- We start with this local news story out of Chicago, Illinois as reported by the Chicago Sun Times newspaper.

You are walking down the street after 10 pm. You see a man stop in front of an alleyway and draw a firearm. He shoots at three unarmed people standing in the alley. You hear them scream and the murderer keeps shooting.

You have your Illinois Firearms Owners Identification card. You own a gun. You also have your Illinois concealed carry license, and you’re armed tonight. You draw your firearm and shoot the attacker. You hit the attacker in the elbow and the hip. He drops his gun and falls to the ground.

You call 911 and ask for help. Emergency Medical Services said one of the victims died at the scene from a head wound. The other two victims and the murderer were taken to the hospital. You give a statement to the police.

Another witness corroborates your story. You’re neither charged, nor named in the newspapers.

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This armed defender did a number of things that saved lives that night. To begin with, he was armed. He recognized an immediate, lethal, and unavoidable threat to innocent parties. He was able to put effective shots on the attacker in a low-light situation. The defender didn’t get shot, and he stopped shooting when the attacker was no longer a threat. Our good guy stayed at the scene and called 911 to ask for help. The defender gave a brief statement when the police arrived. I am grateful that this armed citizen stopped mass murder.

Unfortunately, we don’t get all the information we want from a newspaper account. The story didn’t tell us that it now takes seven months to get your Illinois Firearms Owner Identification Card from the Illinois State Police. They left out the fact that it takes an average of five-and-a-half months to get your Concealed Carry License approved. Half of the applicants have to wait longer.

This defender worked his way through the bureaucratic requirements in Illinois. He was able to save lives today because he started the application process years ago. He also learned how to live with a gun and to carry concealed in public.

In addition to the paperwork, this defender did his mental homework. Our body can’t do what our mind hasn’t imagined. We react rather than think during a stressful situation. The defender imagined what an attack on the street might look like. As obvious as that sounds, it is neither easy nor obvious. Three guys doing a drug deal in an alley could have attacked someone passing by. That looks similar, but not the same, as what the defender saw that night. Our defender was able to react quickly because he recognized a self-defense situation that he had already visualized.

Our usual reaction to murder is one of shock. A practiced reaction is to stop the threat. That practice saved lives that night.

The defender had practiced presenting his firearm. That practice left him confident that he could draw and shoot his firearm in public without fumbling with his clothes or his holster. Yes, I’ve seen new students drop their gun. That is a bad way to start to a gunfight. Dry practice has other benefits. This presentation practice lets us find the gun sights quickly rather than having to spend critical moments hunting for the sights in dim light.

The attack happened at night. That means the scene was probably illuminated by streetlights and lights from nearby shops. I’ve taken several self-defense classes where we shot at night and in the dark. It is also easy to give yourself dry practice in the dim. I recommend low-light practice since about half of assaults happen at night. Practice helps a lot because we want to recognize what our sights look like at night rather than searching for them while an armed murderer is a few yards away.

We are held responsible for every shot we fire. The closest experience I’ve had to this gunfight was a force-on-force exercise during self-defense training. I was struggling to keep up because things were happening so fast. This defender recognized when the attacker was no longer a threat and stopped shooting. That is good work under the most stressful of situations.

What this defender did was important. There were over a hundred people shot in Chicago over the 4th of July weekend. The police, prosecutors and judges won’t stop the violence. It is up to individual citizens at the scene to save lives.

We also have to save our future and our fortune. Have your gun back in your holster by the time the police arrive. Follow the officer’s instructions and give them the simplest facts. Point out any evidence and witnesses. Be polite and do not argue with the officers. Contact your lawyer and have him submit your statement.

You just shot someone. That has an emotional impact. That is true even if the bad guy clearly needed to be shot, and if they survive. The more you have thought about it ahead of time the better you will be at processing the emotions after the incident. Some self-defense insurance firms can recommend experienced counselors for you to talk to. If I ever have to use my firearm, I plan to talk to a counselor.. after I talk to my lawyer.

Rob Morse highlights the latest self-defense and other shootings of the week. See what went wrong, what went right, and what we can learn from real-life self-defense with a gun. Even the most justified self-defense shooting can go wrong, especially after the shot. Get the education, the training, and the liability coverage you and your family deserve, join USCCA.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago

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Don
Don
3 months ago

More people need to push for constitutional carry. We have 21 free states now. We need more. We will never see IL, MD, MA, NJ. NY. DC. CA, & CT join the freedom loving states. If you are smart you can get a job in a free state. I don’t know how people can be cops in the slave states. It violate morality to be an enforcement officer in those places.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Don

That’s not constitutional carry. There were few if any “gun-free” zones in 1791 when 2A was ratified.

It’s permitless carry where honored.

It’s not any kind of carry where you can’t carry.

PistolGrip44
PistolGrip44
3 months ago

One thing this article failed to mention is that once involved in any type of shooting, whether justified or not, your friendly law enforcement personnel will confiscate your firearm for “Evidence” and you will never see it again. Therefore you will be left unarmed and defenseless!!!

PistolGrip44
PistolGrip44
3 months ago
Reply to  PistolGrip44

Oh, and don’t speak to the cops, Period! Not until you have a lawyer present. Remember, you have the right to remain silent and ANYTHING you say WILL be held against you. NEVER trust a cop!!!

incorrigible
incorrigible
3 months ago
Reply to  PistolGrip44

Make that ANYTHING you say WILL be MISQUOTED and used against you! Believe me, I’ve been there on an auto accident. It is not just the cops, it’s the lawyers who persecute you afterward that are the problem!

ExGob
ExGob
3 months ago
Reply to  PistolGrip44

But don’t let this deter you from carrying your firearm, staying alert, and being ready to defend yourself if the need arises. Your attacker won’t give you time to think about it.

BE PREPARED!

Don
Don
3 months ago
Reply to  PistolGrip44

Own more than one gun.

Stampman
Stampman
3 months ago

Actually the reality is that the waiting times for anything is worse in Illinois. Have a friend whose been waiting since last September for a CCL renewal. Some people have been waiting more than a year for their fire arm owner ID. We are oppressed as a community in Illinois.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Stampman

The Illinois State Police are your friends. They give top priority to issuing FOID cards, because they respect the firearm owners who pay their salaries. They work extremely hard and, just like in the private sector, they work until the job is done. They are definitely not on their own side – they are on your side. Thank them for their service and be glad they are there to answer your call when you are in trouble. They will arrive promptly with a professional demeanor and use their immense intellect and crtical thinking skills to solve the problem at hand… Read more »

APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

And if you are “caught” with an expired CCL they will simply give you a warning, tell you to get it renewed, and let you go about your day! LOL!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

Yes, of course, and they will be polite and respectful.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You’re pretending that the rules (which shouldn’t exist) are what is enforced on the street.

By the time a citizen has defended himself against some idiot enforcing rules that don’t exist, he’s already been punished by the process of defending himself.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

There are hundreds of hours of video available for your viewing pleasure.

Are you a retired enforcer?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The combination of: Common use of the internet; Body cams for many enforcers; and Most people having a video camera on them at all times, has resulted in hundreds of hours of video of enforcers making complete asses of themselves for all to see. Sometimes it results in the enforcer losing his job and taxpayers paying for his idiocy. Other times it just provides some laughs. One of the many ways they do this is by enforcing laws that don’t exist. Even after many years of them showcasing their attempts at using power as a substitute for intelligence, some still… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Are you sure I don’t have a clue?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Appears as though gcm deleted his posts. Would you like any more videos, gcm? gcm, there are good LEOs and bad ones. There are good ones who post here frequently. I’ve disagreed with one of them from time to time, but that doesn’t change my opinion that he was one of the good ones. He knows, and acknowledges, there are bad ones. He gets a little cranky when I post about it too much (versus posting detailed data and calculations on the crime rate in neighborhoods with dysfunctional micro-cultures, for example). I understand – it must sting, even though he… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

How about enforcing littering laws, when it has absurd results. These enforcers would never inappropriately enforce never-ending gun laws:

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

You would think they would recognize donut glaze:

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

At your request, gcm, another one. This one was defended by the Fraternal Order of Police.

Officer John Kovack didn’t even bother making-up a law to enforce – “You’re going to jail. We’ll Make Shit Up as We Go:”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HszcVuNiGew&ab_channel=AudittheAudit

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Here’s another one for you, at your request, gcm. This enforcer claims he cannot be video recorded with a camera that has audio recording turned on because of wiretap laws.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4TexGoL6tQ&ab_channel=SHARK

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Enforcing laws that don’t exist, lying, needlessly escalating, becoming offended and emotionally agitated when they perceive people are not sufficiently respecting their authority, falsifying police reports, ordering people to do things they are not required to do, backing-up other enforcers while they do these things, it goes on and on.

Finnky
Finnky
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I certainly learned more about excessive powers afforded police in Texas than I knew before. Kind of terrifying that even in this state of the free, we are legally subject to such dictatorial acts. Did not catch when this event occurred in Keller Texas. Anyone know if there have been further developments since? As for searching the car, I thought that police could only search with a warrant or if impounding the vehicle. If car is legally parked, they can only impound with consent of the owner. Thus the young arrested man could have simply left the car for other… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

Wide right turn: Literally – making a right turn and entering the left lane without using a left turn signal. Has nothing to do with entering opposing traffic lane. Actual – reason to pull someone over who they deem suspicious There are hundreds of hours of video recordings of enforcers: Atttempting to enforce non-existing laws; Lying; Bullying/intimidating; Neelessly escalating; and Backing-up fellow enforcers who are acting inappropriately. The real issue though, Finnky, is when more and more laws are passed and these same enforcers are ordered to enforce those laws against one group of people. At what point is their… Read more »

Russn8r
Russn8r
2 months ago
Reply to  Finnky

“state of the free”, LOL.

Tell it to Tony Timpa, the Branch Davidians, “constitutional” carriers who can’t defend themselves in Abbott’s patchwork quilt of “gun free” zones and the resulting victims in El Paso*. Tell it to child sex-change victims that “conservative” Abbott refuses to do a thing about. Tell it to homeowners being property taxed out of their homes – which Abbott also does nothing about.

*No armed civilian resistance because the El Cielo Walmart is surrounded by the “gun free” El Cielo mall.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

One of the favorites is “you’re not allowed to record me, turn that off.”

How many decades will it take for people with IQs of 92 to 98 to figure out they can’t bully people to prevent them from collecting evidence of the wrongdoings of enforcers?

Since you asked, I’ll link some of the videos you inquired about. Sometimes these go on hold for quite some time and sometimes they are never allowed to be posted, so please be patient.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Of the hundreds of hours of video out there for all to see (that you are unfamiliar with), another favorite reason for drawing a gun on someone, pulling them out of their vehicle, and handcuffing them is “I pulled you over, and you were nervous.” Another one “stop resisting” – when the person is clearly not resisting. The abuse of power is aggravated by the fact that in almost all cases, it’s the taxpayer who pays for their low IQ, emotional, authoritarianism. Just like you, they double-down when someone challenges them. Until more enforcers lose their job, their pension, their… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

This one is interesting:

Finnky
Finnky
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

If they tell me I appear nervous, I will tell them the truth. I am being accosted by armed men who I do not know and have no reason to trust. Nervousness or even fear are very appropriate emotional responses.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Here’s one. Officer tells a person they cannot video record a “civilian.” The person video taping attempts to educate the enforcer on the law. The enforcer indicates he’s not wrong and he knows the law. He then goes on to tell the guy that he cannot video record the 3rd party or his license plate. Throughout the encounter the enforcer never backs down and just keeps pushing and reiterating that “civilians” may not be video recorded when they don’t want to be. Finally, the enforcer calls the person video recording a “loser.” The person then asks if the enforcer just… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Meet officer Wilson:

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Here is another one (since you asked), gcm. More enforcers attempting to enforce non-existent laws. Why is it that when “bad apples” do bad things, there are so seldom good apples to tell them to stand down? Is it possible that there are more than just a few “bad apples?” Why is it that so many encounters follow this pattern: Bad apple does something stupid; He gets challenged on doing something stupid; Rather than backing down, the bad apple doubles-down and escalates; Fellow bad apples support original bad apple; Threats of arrest or arrest; Arrest made (while enforcer is figuring… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

IQs of 92 to 98, hard at work:

Thank them for their service.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

It’s like they just can’t help themselves.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Officer John George doesn’t really care about the rights of non-government employees. He’s not the guy you want to argue with, but he doesn’t have to pay for his abuse – the taxpayers pick up the tab.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Suspicious:

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

This officer thinks he can’t be recorded and tells the dumb Uber driver not to record him. Oops, Uber driver is a lawyer and enforcers change their demeanor (somewhat):

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Another snippy G-wad post with no content, by gcm.

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Russn8r
Russn8r
2 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Wave your hands around some more. Really adds to your “argument”.

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APG member
APG member
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

I dare you to let your CCL expire and continue to exercise your right! You better be a Lilly White Copsucker! Don’t even get me started on an expired out of state permit!

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  APG member

“Your” 3-hour course, “your” $150.00″ fee. Good grief. It ain’t mine, and it ain’t constitutional. Try “the”.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Yet you’re too dumb to dispute it.

Russn8r
Russn8r
2 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

You don’t come here for the hunting, do you, gcm?

Why did you “butt into” APG member’s “conversation that had nothing to do with you in the first place”, big boy?

“Your” the fellow having trouble making relevant arguments. You think “your” smart, but “your” not! Just tedious, condescending, authority-groveling babble on unconstitutional Illinois law & the state gun-grabber website. When your gobbling is noted, you deflect with yappy poodle bites & emotional handwaving like a woman scorned.

APG member
APG member
2 months ago
Reply to  APG member

You miss the point (Stockholm Syndrome). Stop carrying water for your oppressors.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 months ago
Reply to  APG member

gcm “butted in” to a conversation, accused someone else of butting in to the conversation and attempted to dimiss people using typical oppressor tactics.

It’s possible you may be making an incorrect assumption about him carrying water for his oppressors (he may be carrying water for his teammates).

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Russn8r
Russn8r
2 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The oppressors lurking here are ganged up for the instant anklebiter downvotes. They’re too dumb for an actual conversation, so that’s all they’ve got.

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HLB
HLB
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I have not found any government authorities to be my friend. I have never had a law officer apologize to me for the wrong that they did. Tell me how many times these police told somebody that because of their oath to the constitution they are not going to enforce an unconstitutional weapon law on them?

HLB

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  HLB
  • Freedom is Slavery.
  • Ignorance is Truth.
  • Government employees are the solution, not the problem.
  • Work harder, pay more taxes, hire more goverment employees.
  • Enforcers are your friends.

You just need to chant it more often and then you will be properly programed.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

One suggestion: Change “more taxes” to “your taxes”. “More” isn’t sufficiently patronizing and naggy.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Oh, I meant more.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“Your” means “more”, and then some.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Yes – when asked “how much,” the answer is always “more.”

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

LOL. Nicely done, Mr. Swift.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Thank you.

(my upvote was offset by that former Texas enforcer you insulted by indicating Trump had a lot to apologize for – he will never forgive you)

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Superthug?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Nope – Will.

When he disagrees, he won’t make an argument and discuss the topic and then just move on with life.

If the topic involves Trump, Texas Republican politicians, state and local enforcers in “red states,” or the military, he becomes extremely emotional, writes things he instantly regrets, deletes the posts, and then follows you around down voting you (on anything – “howdy,” “the sky is blue,” doesn’t matter).

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Ah, WILL (not to be confused with Will Rogers)!!! (Emphasis added so my argument RULES!!!) Didn’t know he was a former low-IQ enforcer, just figgered the usual low IQ-Trump worshiper. Will has a posse of puppets helping him downvote, since he hasn’t the brains to refute anything…Well, except for all CAPS and ECLAMATION POINTS, which I admit are highly effective!!!

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I can’t do the caps and exclamation points anymore. I almost became ill – I just cannot write that way, even in jest.

Knute
Knute
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

YOU CALL THIS “HIGHLY EFFECTIVE”?!!!!!
AT WHAT? ANNOYING PEOPLE?
CERTAINLY NOT VERY EFFECTIVE AT COMMUNICATING, IS IT NOW?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

It appears to be effective at not getting posts put on hold.

There is a theory that certain writing styles are put on hold – not because of the content, but some odd quirk in the software.

All caps, exclamation marks, and misspelled words seem to be favored by the software.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

YOUR ARGUMENT TOTALLY RULES UNTIL I POST THIS ONE!!!!!! YOU SEE, ALL YOU NEED TO MAKE THE LAMEST ARGUMENT SUPER-COMPELLING IS CAPS AND MULTIPLE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!! IF SOMEONE ELSE DOES IT, SIMPLY REPLY WITH MORE!!!!!! SEE HOW THAT WORKS?? I ADDED ONE MORE THAN YOU DID, SO NOW MY ARGUMENT RULES!!!!!!

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I won’t type it, but you forgot the preferred conclusion.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Damn. Can’t think of it.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I still need to know the preferred conclusion SO MY ARGUMENTS RULE!!!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

PERIOD!!!

You were never in the USMC, were you?

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

ARGH!!! hOw CoULd i F0RGET???

Arny
Arny
3 months ago
Reply to  Knute

Works for me as I get older it’s easier to read.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

BTW, how the hell do you delete posts? I see no option.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Never tried to figure out the way to make them completely go away.

Once, I edited out everything but a period when I informed a guy (who shall remain nameless, even though, well . . . ) that he inadvertently admitted to committing multiple felonies and I pointed out the law and suggested he delete his posts.

Another time I edited out everything but a period, when I was typing fast and my comment didn’t take into consideration another person’s post.

Other than that, I never had a need.

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Seems to imply WILL(!) – not to be confused with Will Rogers – is a “moderator”, probably the one censoring your comments.

Stag
Stag
3 months ago
Reply to  Stampman

He feels oppressed because he knows he has to beg and bribe the government in order to exercise what should be his right to bear arms. If he doesn’t “kiss the ring” then he’s left with the option of either not carrying and being defenseless or being harassed, assaulted, extorted, kidnapped, and possibly even murdered by government thugs.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Stag

Stag’s sarcasm is clear. When the situation becomes so ridiculous, humor is a relief valve. The requirement to beg: the required application/approval process for something that is pre-existing right. The bribe: the fee required to induce a government employee to allow you to do something that is a pre-existing right. Kissing the ring: a significant percentage of enforcers alter their interactions with citizens based on the citizen’s willingness to humiliate themselves by being subservient to the enforcers’ perception of his authority. You knew all that, but couldn’t resist an opportunity to support never-ending gun control. The Illinois FOID system serves… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Stampman

We need conservatives to bail on lost states like Illinois and move to stolen swing states like Georgia, Arizona, etc, that can still be shored up & saved.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

Please define conservative.

There is a poster who believes he is “conservative” and lives in PA who has expressed a desire to move to a “free state.”

I’d rather he move to NJ than a state that could use some more non-totalitarians.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I think you know what I mean.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I suspect I do, but there are numerous frequent posters in the ammo sub-forum who sure don’t.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I’m confident that if we can get all who see themselves as loyal American constitutional conservatives or classical liberals (aka true libertarians) to flee commie-state tyranny, the net effect will save the swing states and shore up the solid “R” states despite the relatively few authority worshiping thugs who come with them.

True libertarian excludes deluge-immigration L0Libertarians, which is, sadly, pretty much everyone who votes L.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 months ago
Reply to  Russn8r

I agree.

I avoid the terms:

  • Right/Left
  • Conservative/Liberal

There are many people who consider themselves “conservative” because they are pro 2nd Amendment, believe in border/visa enforcement, believe in God, believe violent criminals should be caught, convicted, and incarcerated, and other positions with which I agree.

Unfortunately, there are some people who believe those things who also support an ever-growing government and they want that government to engage in price controls and even more wealth redistribution.

I’d rather those people stay out of the state I live in as well as “battleground” states.

Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Sadly, we can’t pick & choose. The exodus is needed ASAP, en masse. To an extent it’s already happening. Classical liberals can encourage self-selection & non-immigration or even emigration of Commie-Dems & Big-Gvt “Rs” by passing laws odious to them, e.g.: Strict election integrity suite of laws. Abolish “gun free” zones in schools & all public places, including courts, police stations & private-public places, (firms open to the public or that have non-owner employees). Alternatively, public & private entities must provide ample armed security, ample insurance payable to victims & families, strict presumption of liability in civil court should security… Read more »

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Russn8r
Russn8r
3 months ago
Reply to  Stampman

Translation:

OBEY and LIKE it!

Thanks for the Sunday govt-worship sermon.

Queue sissy groveler downvotes.

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swmft
swmft
3 months ago

go see a shrink?? better go find a place that gives you peace. the people dea sent us to made you want to shoot them. if you are religious go to a church of your denomination and talk to god and know he needed your help to control satins daemons. as for me nature gives me peace, im perfect for jungle war fare i see unnatural things out of place easily , was much better at it 50 years ago younger eyes and ears