Under Cover of Darkness U.S. Senate Passes New Gun Control Laws

UPDATE: 3-14-2022 AmmoLand News Updated this article with a statement from Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith.

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WASHINGTON, D.C. -(Ammoland.com)- Gun Control has been signed into law by President Biden with the support of turncoat Republicans.

In the middle of the night, the U.S. Senate passed the Violence Against Women Act Reauthorization Act of 2022 (VAWA). Some gun rights groups raised alarm bells when this act passed the U.S. House of Representatives last year with Republican support. At the time, some Republicans claimed the anti-gun provisions would be removed.

Democrats and Republicans led by Senator Jodi Ernst negotiated the bill’s anti-gun provisions.

Republican politicians, who previously vowed never to vote for the bill unless the anti-gun provisions were removed, voted yes with those anti-gun provisions fully intact.



The following Republicans voted for this: h/[email protected]

  • Barrasso (R-WY)
  • Blunt (R-MO)
  • Capito (R-WV)
  • Collins (R-ME)
  • Cornyn (R-TX)
  • Ernst (R-IA)
  • Graham (R-SC)
  • Grassley (R-IA)
  • Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
  • McConnell (R-KY)
  • Moran (R-KS)
  • Murkowski (R-AK)
  • Portman (R-OH)
  • Shelby (R-AL)
  • Thune (R-SD)
  • Tuberville (R-AL)
  • Wicker (R-MS)
  • Young (R-IN)

Prominently among those Republicans to betray the Second Amendment was Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith. Senator Hyde-Smith had previously released a statement to AmmoLand News that she would never vote for the bill in its anti-gun version. The previous statement was given to AmmoLand News after receiving a tip that Senator Hyde-Smith was open to the bill with the anti-gun provisions intact.

March 14th, 2022, Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith provided this statement to explain her vote for VAWA:

“Senator Hyde-Smith’s position on the Second Amendment has not changed. The underlying measure placed before the Senate was one to keep the government operating and help the people of Ukraine fight an unhinged foreign dictator. Senator Hyde-Smith does not support the mentioned VAWA provisions and will continue to fight to protect Second Amendment rights.”

NICS Denial Notification Act

The bill includes the NICS Denial Notification Act. This provision will require the criminal investigation of all National Instant Criminal Background Check System denials. The vast majority of NICS denials are false.

The bill’s passage means that thousands of law-abiding Americans will be subject to criminal investigation due to a mistake in a flawed government database. Guilty until proven innocent.

Empowering ATF

Another provision in the bill will allow the deputization of local law enforcement by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). This provision is a direct attack against states with Second Amendment Protection Acts (SAPA). Those bills prevent state and local law enforcement from enforcing federal gun control, but since VAWA allows for the deputization of local law enforcement, that means the federal government can restore the power of local police to enforce federal gun laws by making them agents of ATF.

The bill also includes funds for “gun violence” research. Federal research into gun violence has always been flawed in the past. Instead of using evidence-based science to come to a conclusion, the government has been caught using a predetermined result. The federal agency would decide on a conclusion they wanted first and work backward by using evidence to back up their opinion while ignoring evidence contradicting their stance. The practice was highlighted by whistleblower Dr. Miguel Faria whose testimony in front of Congress ended funding for gun violence research by the Center for Disease Control (CDC).

While most gun rights groups have been fighting against the VAWA’s gun-control provisions, there have been rumblings that the NRA lobbyists told Senators that the powerful gun group was neutral on the bill giving those Senators the green light to vote for VAWA. This information was given to AmmoLand News by multiple Congressional staffers on the hill. AmmoLand News has been working to confirm or dispel the rumor with NRA-ILA but so far the NRA has yet to provide a clear statement.

AmmoLand News has reached out to the offices of the Republican Senators that voted for the bill for comment, but none of those Senators have responded to our request.


About John Crump

John is a NRA instructor and a constitutional activist. John has written about firearms, interviewed people of all walks of life, and on the Constitution. John lives in Northern Virginia with his wife and sons and can be followed on Twitter at @crumpyss, or at www.crumpy.com.

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ashort

as I have read in the comments. I would like to give my opinion, and explain the reason we are being handed are back sides. Especially when it comes to losing the fight for the 2nd Amendment, and everything else being infringed upon, is because “We The People” Do not exist, because we cant even get along with each other, how do you expect us to stand together to fight for our Constitutional Rights against government Tyranny, that is happening right in front of us, and all we can do is argue with each other, instead of agreeing to disagree,… Read more »

JSNMGC

John Crump,

Regarding the following comment you made:

“Another provision in the bill will allow the deputization of local law enforcement by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF).”

I did not see a reference to duputizing local law enforcement in the bill. Can you please provide the section?

All I found was a provision that allowed state prosecutors to be deputized to assist in prosecutions:

“§ 925D. Special assistant U.S. attorneys and cross-deputized attorneys”

Thank you.

JSNMGC

John Crump,

Some of us are following up with the senators who voted for the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act was bundled into the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2022 (H.R. 2471).

Can you provide a reference to the section allowing deputization of local law enforcement by the BATFE? I didn’t see it in the bill.

Thanks.

Bucketboy

In Utah you will notice that Romney didn’t vote for this. He lays back and tests the wind. If it’s going to pass without his vote he will look like a good guy to the voters. He stands back and then can say he didn’t vote for it.

Not to be trusted.

Bob K

Graham and McConnell again! Both need to be gone! Murkowski, Collins, Ernst… no shocker there

DIYinSTL

I almost wish senator Roy Blunt (Rino-MO) was running for reelection just so I could vote against him in the primary.

Tank

Anybody who pays attention to the Geo-political circus theatre knows that America is the Crown Jewel. What makes it that way at it’s core is the Constitution & BOR. No other country & especially as we all watch UK, Canada, Aus, NZ, Ukraine etc. implode from Medical Tyranny, VaXXine Passports, Digital ID agenda had those. We can see in real time what makes America unique despite all the Deep State Masonic Zionism overlords attempts to usurp American’s freedoms & liberty.

Opinion is the medium between Knowledge & Ignorance.

Plato

Bob K

But we keep giving inches, and they’re taking miles

Tank

Yep I agree. Masonic Zionism runs the Greet Game Circus Theatre.

Until the Proles become conscious …

reno

ALL OF THESE GUTLESS REPUBLICANS SHOULD BE KICKED OUT

Cruiser

And, anyone who violates their oath to uphold the Constitution.

gunnerdd517

I will obey the 2nd Amendment and the Constitution of the United States. The oath I swore to, has no expiration date . Leftists who monitor comment sections of conservative sites, take note.

Cruiser

Politicians don’t risk their lives to defend anything, they get other people to do it for them. Tough talk is cheap, Politicians, talk the talk, but can’t walk the walk.

Wild Bill

Yes, politicians do need more skin in the game.

gregs

they all need to be shitcanned and replaced with senators that will uphold and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

Wild Bill

Yes, maybe the oath to uphold the Constitution against all its enemies foreign and domestic should end with the words ON PAIN of DEATH.

Russn8r

Hyde-Smith & Tuberville were among 6 senators who stood against the coup & demanded an audit. I liked them. I would’ve donated. Not so much now that they prioritized Ukraine & corrupt gvt spending over our liberty.

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john

What makes you think you can trust all elected republicans today if you don’t understand this ask Trump he will fill you in. If you need more proof remember the last election in 2020. If more proof is needed ask Mitch Mcconnell. There needs to be term and age limits for those elected.

Gofer

Term limits, I’d strongly agree with. Age limits? Not so much. I’m 70 and a staunch believer in the constitution and the Second Amendment. Were I so inclined to run for office, age limits would say NO! There are plenty of others, who are my age, who’d also support 2A, with no chance of being bought off or threatened by opposing parties, of either stripe.And, younger generations, my soon be running for office. Do we want to take a chance that we run out of 2A supporters, just because of age limitations? I don’t think so.

john

I didn’t mean to offend any seniors here as I am one myself At what point do we want to begin enjoying the personal time we all have earned.

John Dow

So if AFT deputizes local LEO, and the LEO refuses to carry out AFT’s orders, what happens? Especially in any state where the 2A Sanctuary law has teeth for those state people that violate it.

This is another great example of why congressional bills should be one subject only, not allowed to have all the straphangers attached.

Russn8r

ATFBI can’t forcibly deputize a local LEO. The local chooses to crap on his oath and help traitors.

Wild Bill

I don’t think that the ATF has the authority to deputize anyone. I could be wrong.

Russn8r

They do now, but not forcibly.

Wild Bill

I am thinking that, currently, when federal agencies want to use local assets, that federal agency has to do a joint operation requiring the participation of the sheriff or chief of police.
I don’t think that feds can deputize a local LEO and co-opt that officers time and presence.
The local sheriff or chief of police can tell his employee to go help the feds, but the feds can not just deputize that person and take him away from his regular duties.
Any former feds out there that can explain it?

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Tank

Federal can and does with regularity Deputize State LEO’s and has for years under the auspices & authority of a Joint Tase Force. The mission it’s
Written under can be vague & ambiguous is the problem. Devil is always in h the details. The Thin Blue line dogma gets abused in this way & it always has sub rosa.

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Wild Bill

Pursuant to which US Code title or CFR?

Finnky

@WB – That is one of several issues in the bill under discussion. Far as I know it is still a bill, but only needs potus’s signoff. Bill grants BAFTE power to temporarily deputize state and local LEO – and leaves that temporarily-federal agent collecting pay from his regular employer. That of course leaves state and local governments ability to refuse to pay for time spent on federal tasks. Woke as democrats are these days, I don’t doubt the bill allows them to deputize over objections of both department and individual — since of course slavery is just fine if… Read more »

Wild Bill

I think that the local sheriff or chief of police that is conducting a joint op with the feds, in our little hypothetical, would only send his officers that wanted to assist the feds. I think that all that gets ironed out in the planning of the joint operation.

john

Lot of explaining it has to get tiring

Russn8r

Lot of projection. Never gets tiring for you chatroom commandos.

john

Do think you know who what Please stop being ignorant

Russn8r

Stop drinking

Wild Bill

Yes, a diplomatic explanation takes a lot of effort. Our local hate group’s invectives are all one liners.

creality

This is why you should make sure you have a constitutional sheriff in the town you live in because they have more authority than anyone in their jurisdiction including the fed. https://cspoa.org › how-to-find-out-if-your-sheriff-is-a-constitutional-sheriff

Excellent Book: Sovereign Dutyby KrisAnne Hall J.D.

Joe R.

Said it before. The Declaration says to chuck all these aywholes “whenever” you deem necessary. One of those times it says it’s your “duty” to. No way that means our Founders meant you should have to ask your aywholes in “gov’t”, that needed chucking, for the means, OR THE PERMISSION TO OBTAIN THE MEANS, to do so. Our Founders should not be second-guessed by idiots claiming they wrote that, yet should have somewhere said it again, or more distinctly. THEREFORE the 2nd Amendment demands PARITY of “Arms” (not just guns) with our “gov’t” [which is merely comprised of our idiot… Read more »

Joe R.

Total bs $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ grab (they have to spread out their takings) in advance of their nuclear winter of fundraising after next Nov.

They’ll need it for their personal legal defense.

JNew

If one of these traitors are your senator, you need to do the following: get at least 50 people together and create a communication blitz, which is a series of phone calls, letters, and emails sent within a 72-hour period. Politicians get angry mail all the time, but it’s sporadic and harmless. A blitz *always* gets their attention.

Now you know what to do. But the right wingers of America are notoriously lazy, so I’m not expecting much.

JSNMGC

People can call senators from other states.

What are the results of your calls so far?

JSNMGC

Cornyn’s East Texas office (Tyler), could use some more activity:

903-593-0902

The staffer who answered seemed surprised about the three anti 2nd Amendment provisions. She thought Cornyn was “protecting women.”

Bill

Since LTC West didn’t make much headway against Gov Abbottt, I sure would like to see him run agains RINO Cornyn for the senate seat! I’d vote for him. Heck I’d vote for any decent non-democrat against Cornyn!

JSNMGC

I agree.

Cornyn certainly wasn’t the hero we needed on February 28, 2018:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill

Russn8r

That’s because too many glazy-eyed idiots voted for RINO Abbott.

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Finnky

I did not vote for Abbott, but given alternatives I will in general election.

Sometimes one just has to hold their nose and vote for the least evil option.

Robert Francis has a surprising amount of support in my city – which historically has voted ~70-80% red across the board.

Tionico

that’s why these “everything inclding the kitchen sink” bills neeed to be ended. There are often thosands of ages of stupifying legalese and puff-work, no sane person can sit and read all of it. They’d get nothing else done even if they did, and the whole mess blurrs together into one festering pile. He thought he ws protecting women, and that’s just what the dirtbag corruptocrats wanted him to think. That’s how we get our rights stolen from us. Just ike when a housebreaker busts in at oh dark thirty. No warning, little tome to react, and he gets away… Read more »

JSNMGC

Yes. Cornyn knew what he was doing. Republican politicians sometimes ask for anti 2nd Amendment provisions to be thrown in with other legislation. It gives them an excuse with their pro 2nd Amendment voters and the anti 2nd Amendment proponents see that he “did something” about “gun violence.”

Cornyn picked up votes from the “keep my children safe,” white, suburban women voter block by voting for this legislation and, sadly, he probably didn’t lose too many votes from the rural, white, male, gun owner block.

If Cornyn was truly pro 2nd Amendment, he wouldn’t have acted like this:

https://www.c-span.org/video/?441884-1/president-trump-calls-comprehensive-gun-bill

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Stag

“He thought he ws protecting women…”

That may be the case but, considering his history on the 2A, I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew exactly what was in the bill and voted for it anway. He authored the arms control legislation that Trump signed into law in 2018 and he’s made numerous statements in support of other arms laws he would like to see passed. Cornyn is one of the worst Republicans in Congress and I hate that he’s my Senator.

JSNMGC

I suspect he knew the anti 2nd Amendment provisions were in the bill and he supported those provisions or was neutral about them. He likely saw it as an opportunity to gain more votes than he lost.

If you haven’t yet, I highly recommend calling his Tyler office. The staffer needs to hear from more voters.

Cornyn’s East Texas office (Tyler):
903-593-0902

Wild Bill

We all hate Corny. The last time he was up for re-election, we tried to get rid of him. It did not work. We need federal term limits.

JSNMGC

Cornyn got 76% of the vote in the primary.

The closest competitor only got 11.9%.

Term limits aren’t the answer.

You have indicated before that you have not been involved because the government didn’t train you on how to be involved. When you wrote “we tried to get rid of him,” what did you do?

Stag has been involved in the Texas legislative process.

Wild Bill

Term limits are the answer if structured effectively.
I did not dispute that he has been involved. My hat is off to him.
What did you do, Wyoming?

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JSNMGC

I’ve answered that question before. You indicated I would be “caught” for being a firearm rights activist (organizing/moderating debates and public Q&A meetings with candidates, meeting with voters to discuss the positions of candidates, writing to politicians, calling politicians, interviewing political candidates, etc.). What have you done? You indicated before it would be considered “odd” if you got involved in the legislative process. Later you wrote that the government didn’t train you on how to get involved. You don’t sound like you even know what’s going on. A supermajority voted for Cornyn during the Republican primary and you wrote “we… Read more »

Wild Bill

Bla, bla, bla. You are a poor guesser.

JSNMGC

One of your favorite retreats.

You don’t do anything by your own admission.

You even tried to use your job in the military as your excuse (even after it didn’t apply).

It’s funny watching you try to explain to Stag that

“We all hate Corny. The last time he was up for re-election, we tried to get rid of him. It did not work. We need federal term limits.”

What a joke.

Wild Bill

You retreat to personal insult, one of your favorites.

Oldman

That is a BIG ditto from me!

Oldman

Awaiting approval, Again

Russn8r

Nice! You’re Mr. Insult, retreating to projection again. Good one, Agent!

JSNMGC

You don’t mind insults – that has been proven.

You just want them to be directed against certain people.

Wild Bill

Proved. Proved is the past participle. Proven is the adjective.

JSNMGC

There you go.

Wild Bill

There I go merely stating two facts. Does that vex you?

JSNMGC

“Proved. Proved is the past participle. Proven is the adjective.” ~ Wild Bill

If you are going to correct a person, you should be certain the person is incorrect.

https://www.dictionary.com/e/proved-vs-proven/

Russn8r

LOL, the legend in his own mind is wrong again! Hey, WildBLUEBillJesseWill, they teach you that at Hemline?

Wild Bill

Oh you want an example! Proved as an adjective: A proven fact was used.
Proved as a past participle: His lack of education was proved, by the words of his own mouth.

JSNMGC

“Oh you want an example! Proved as an adjective: A proven fact was used. Proved as a past participle: His lack of education was proved, by the words of his own mouth.” ~ Wild Bill

I used the word correctly – go to the source I provided.

Wild Bill

You do not give orders or write well.

Russn8r

That sounded pretty effeminate.

Finnky

Proven is also past participle – thus it @JSNMGCs usage was correct.
“I proved that” or “It is proven” or “it has been proven.”

While my spelling sucks and my grammer is not much better — I object to others correcting grammer incorrectly! Hypocritical – yes, but not usually.

Russn8r

Meanwhile WildBill’s sock puppet posse gives Stag an old fashioned vote beatdown.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/03/nebraska-constitutional-carry-passes-first-filibuster-hurdle/#comment-2924602

Wild Bill

First it was Tex’s posse. Then it was someone else’s posse. It is no posse. It is the great number of individuals that take exception to your acrimony and self loathing visited on others.
How many have come out and told you to just get out of here and never come back?
How many have you insulted that never came back?
You just don’t get it … it is you.

Russn8r

It was always your posse. Foul mouth thug BLUE-TEX-Jesse-Will is your sock-buddy. You’re the coyest, snarkiest, relentless-acrimonious troll, here. You’re the dude trying to drive anyone who points out police abuse away with fake downvotes & likes. Man up & admit it.

Wild Bill

You change your story or more often your argument. When you become, by your own words, obviously wrong, you degenerate.

Russn8r

Nah. Wrong? You mean like your claims about proved vs proven & claiming statutes are not laws? LOL.

Wild Bill

Have a nice cup of chamomile tea.

Russn8r

More cowardly evasion.

Wild Bill

If personal courage entered in to a website conversation then you would not post at all, but there is nothing to lose, so you write things to people that you would never say on the street.

Deg4u

I cast a spell on you to leave to never return. You are the worst I’ve ever seen to down grade people the way you do without any respect whatsoever.

Russn8r

Get some more voodoo training, genius.

Russn8r

Ignoring evidence, lazy voters look for deceptively attractive substitutes for doing their job. California’s had term limits for 32 years. It was sold as solving all the problems, but it made them worse. Threw the babies out with the bathwater, refilled the tub with more corrupt water. Rapidly accelerated the Reconquista.

JSNMGC

Yes, term limits are the lazy answer for people who will not get involved.

It’s harder for a good Republican to get elected than it is for a Democrat who is true to the Democrat platform (because a large percentage of Democrats are involved and would tee-up another committed Democrat).

Therefore, term limits would be detrimental to the “conservative” (for lack of a better word) cause.

Stag

I have a stack of letters from Cornyn’s office and almost all of them say the same thing. Something to the effect of him being a “strong 2nd Amendment supporter” and then further down the letter something about taking into account the “safety” of Texans blah blah blah. Basically the standard Butter/Fudd response. He seems to have instructed his aids to give standard canned responses as well considering how they respond to my questions and statements pointing out how his comments and voting record concerning arms legislation.

Russn8r

“We tried to get him out”? What did YOU do? 76%/12% says ‘zip’.

RINOs like Abbott-Phelan rule because you chatroom commandos back them.

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Wild Bill

I understand that you parrot your one friend, on this site.

Russn8r

More weak deflection by the scholarly genius (in his mind). Doubt Prof Olson would be proud. Oh wait, you went to Hemline. My bad

Your friends, here, are talking socks. Does “liking” yourself make you feel big? Sad.

You know you backed Abbott. Try to be a man and own it.

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john

You are correct most folks rant and rave without follow through it takes time to write to you congressman or women. Write senator explaining your stance is good medicine nothing really happens you get a form letter thanking you for your concerns with a reply of what they want of you and all things they are doing for their constituents.
Yous have to try.

Russn8r

Writing committed anti-gun DemComs in secure seats is an idiotic waste of time. Nothing stops you from writing potentially vulnerable & therefore receptive pols in other districts & states.

JSNMGC

Give it a try: Cornyn’s East Texas office (Tyler): 903-593-0902 “I see that Senator Cornyn voted for the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2022 (H.R. 2471) which included the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act. This Act included three provisions that infringe on firearm rights: It will require the criminal investigation of all National Instant Criminal Background Check System denials. The vast majority (94%) of NICS denials are false; It will allow the deputization of TEXAS law enforcement by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives to enforce federal firearm laws, which could include a future law banning certain firearms;… Read more »

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john

You must not get out a lot you always argue when you should stay silent I am not being mean to you sir just some advice life is hard enough and it is going to get harder. Be well

JSNMGC

“You must not get out a lot you always argue when you should stay silent I am not being mean to you sir just some advice life is hard enough and it is going to get harder. Be well” ~ Wild Bill

Did you call Cornyn’s office?

Wild Bill

You put my name behind John’s words. Do you, similarly, change other quotes when the need arises? I bet that you do!!

JSNMGC

Oops – that was my error.

No, I don’t change anyone’s quotes. Will’s dumb lies have been quoted for posterity.

Wild Bill

Error? No, you have been caught!

JSNMGC

You are a goof. What john wrote is just above the quote.

I was going back and forth between you and him quickly and wrote “Wild Bill” instead of “john.”

Relax Columbo.

Russn8r

And yet you were correct the first time.

Autsin Miller III

Roy Blunt (MO) is retiring. It would be interesting to know why he felt motivated to vote against the interests of his constituency. I can only assume someone made it worth his time. Unfortunately, since he is retiring, there isn’t much we can do about it.

Rodoeo

I’ve been fighting to correct my NICS record for years.. maybe this will finally force them to correct it. It was unlawfully causing me random denials.

This is ridiculous.. The remaining denials (71,410, or nearly 94%) did not meet referral guidelines or were overturned or canceled.

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Bruce

Two face scumbag

nrringlee

So friends, please explain to me once again why it is so urgent that Republicans take th House and Senate in 2023?

Sniper -

It won’t matter. There is no accountability, no justice, no morals, and there never will be. Republicrats & Demoncrats are like both wings on the same damn bird.

swmft

the kind that lines pockets of political contributors

Arkansas Rob

I’ll make a deal with you gun grabbers: we’ll dissolve the NRA if you dissolve the ATF.

Grigori

Talk about a Win/Win!

Wild Bill

I wish that I would have thought of that!

Cruiser

Shame on any Gun Owner who votes Democrat or for a “Moderate Republican” You are either a “Conservative” or you’re RINO.

JSNMGC

The reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act was bundled into the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2022 (H.R. 2471). The following Republican senators voted for it:

Barrasso (R-WY)
Blunt (R-MO)
Capito (R-WV)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Ernst (R-IA)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hyde-Smith (R-MS)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Portman (R-OH)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Tuberville (R-AL)
Wicker (R-MS)
Young (R-IN)
 
 
 

StageArmamentSolutions

Not good news, but appreciate you putting that info up for us.

JSNMGC

You’re welcome.

john

The Democrat Party is corrupt beyond words. ATF should be dissolved Biden needs to be held accountable as due those elected You must vote in 2020 Midterms. Next will be the permanent Democrat vote. No need to vote, your vote will be automatically cast for the Democrat candidate in any and every election.  It is not hard to see the connection between the Democrats’ strenuous protests against having voters display identification to vote and their support for allowing illegals into our country without hindrance. Even the dead get to vote. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., argued Friday That inflation is due… Read more »

JPM

Not every law should be obeyed. Good laws deserve to be obeyed and bad laws deserve to be disobeyed. Disobeying a bad law can have consequences and you have to be ready to accept those consequences if you refuse to obey. Most Americans today blindly obey anything that might resemble a lawful order, as proven in the last 2 years with the Covid farce and ridiculous mandates. Even more Americans don’t have the backbone or the balls to be willing to take a stand against a bad law and risk the consequences. Even worse is that too many Americans just… Read more »

Wild Bill

Some really are law. Others are just statutes. An act of Congress or the state legislature, or city or county that offend the Constitution are not law and never will be law. They are just statutes.

Russn8r

A statute is a law. Even if it’s “not law and never will be”, you will make excuses for LEOs who enforce it. Paycheck Uber Honor.

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JSNMGC

A certain percentage of enforcers enforce things (like the feelings of other government employees) that are not law and do not have the force of law.

They don’t mind doing it while being video recorded either, because their colleagues will ensure they are not prosecuted criminally and not-so-qualified immunity laws will ensure they can’t be sued civilly.

Wild Bill

I see that not everyone has read Marbury v. Madison.

Russn8r

LOL. Did I miss where it said “Wild-BLUE-TEX-Will-Jesse won’t excuse cops who enforce nonexistent laws”?

john

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl_YXS0LW8s
Marbury v. Madison Case Brief Summary | Law Case Explained

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Russn8r
john

Are you angry again today ? How can we all help you

Russn8r

How’s the punch today, TEX? LOL

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Wild Bill

He gets really grouchy when his BAL gets low.

Tackleberry

I believe a bottle of Midol would be appropriate in this case.

Wild Bill

That little blurb does not go nearly far enough in explaining Marbury. In the holding of the case the S. Ct found that any congressional act that offends the Constitution is not law.
Thus any Congressional Act that is repugnant to the Constitution is a only a statute and that part which is in conflict with the Constitution is not enforceable.

P.S. Oh and to the ardent opponent of education that lurks here with pernicious mind and squalid tongue, the authoritative definition of statute is found in Blacks Law Dictionary ed V, pp1264-1266

Russn8r

Nonsense. A statute is a law enacted by a legislature.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/statute

Wild Bill

A statute is the act of a legislature, but Constitutionality, and thus “What is law.” goes farther than that.
With all respect to Cornell School of Law, any part of an legislative act that is found incongruent with the Constitution is not law.

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Russn8r

Stop deflecting. You know that’s not the issue. The issue is, you excusing cops for enforcing those “not laws”.

Wild Bill

Nope, the issue is you don’t know even the basics of Constitutional analysis, yet you expatiate, pretending that you do.

Russn8r

Lame deflection. Well done, Agent. You’re the scholarly genius who claimed that no statutes are laws.

All statutes are laws passed by legislatures, if constitutional. If unconstitutional, you excuse cops for enforcing those “not laws” anyway.

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JSNMGC

john,

It’s interesting that you join in a Marbury v. Madison discussion.

NY firearm laws are clearly offensive to the Constitution, yet you thank the NYPD for enforcing those laws. You flippantly stated people who violate those laws should expect to be put into a cage.

john

I did not join in I sent something simple for others to view that does not explain all the content needed, Those interested could continue to learn more if they wish to. If you do not like the laws in the state you live in move away. Then you will find that you will never live in a state or local municipality that is perfect.

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JSNMGC

“If you do not like the laws in the state you live in move away. Then you will find that you will never live in a state or local municipality that is perfect.” ~ john I was referencing NYC laws. In another thread you thanked NYPD for enforcing NYC concealed carry permit laws. NYC has some of the most unconscionable laws in the United States. You thank the enforcers for enforcing them and tell people if they don’t like the laws, they should move away. As federal laws become more unconscionable and local LEOs in “red” states are ordered to… Read more »

JSNMGC

Too many enforcers don’t have the backbone or the balls to be willing to take a stand against a bad law and risk the consequences of not enforcing it.

Tank

Easy, peasy ….

“This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector.”
Plato

“When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.“
Jefferson

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Ronnie

THIS IS “AGAINST OUR LAWS OF THE LAND ” — AND WE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE “POWER ” TO STOP IT ! == EVERY FIREARM OWNER – RIGHT NOW! MUST CALL YOUR ‘STATE REP ” . GIVE HIM A FEW WORDS” !!!!! – I AS A “AMERICAN CITIZENS DO HERE-BY DECLARE MY SELF / BEING FREE AND SOVEREIGN FROM THIS NORTHAMERICAN COUNTRY . AS A RESIDENT OF ‘ILLINOIS’ A STATE WITHIN THE UNION OF STATES! SCREW YOU FEDERAL COMMIES!!!

Tank

It’s UK Crown & Freemasons that runs & manages the shit show circus. Always has, look at our founders & the Washington Statue that has Shackeled chains on Washington’s right foot. The Roman – Colonialism (Flail & Shepards’s Crook = Mercy/Severity) ruling tenets have been used of rule over most of humanity for the last 2,000 years to control the Sheeple. . The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been about 200 years. These nations always progressed through this sequence: From Bondage to Moral Certitude; from Moral Certitude to Great Courage; from Great Courage to Liberty; from Liberty… Read more »

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Montana454Casull

Get a clue people , you think the lack of ammo is because of covid ? They could not control the guns flying off the shelves the way they wanted to so they dried up all the ammo to protect the ilegitiment corrupt government that has been installed with a sham election . Guns are worthless without ammo and the criminals in DC know it . They know thier day of reckoning is coming and they are trying to limit the damage . This is how corrupt politicians control the masses , it’s with unconstitutional laws and false flags .… Read more »

john

I agree politicians most are corrupt As for ammo with respect there is plenty of Nato rounds available 9 mm 223 cal 5.56 cal 3.08 cal as the ammo manufacturers have stockpiled the powder brass and lead for those or jacketed ammo Hunting calibers are short and will remain that way well into 2023 so will some pistol rounds . Buy it when you see it for sale we are not importing the minerals from other countries most controlled by China. I call it while Americas slept during the lockdowns our government worked against a free society we must never… Read more »

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Unlicensed Bozo

which republicans voted for this?

Arny

Guaranteed in Pennsylvania, Toomey supported it. As he informed me with the pre scripted dribble I get every time.

Thank you for contacting my office. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts about current issues. Please be assured that your correspondence will receive a reply in the near future. Meanwhile, I am actively working to help Pennsylvania hospitals, health care providers, and state and local officials with testing and other concerns in combatting the epidemic. Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,
 

Pat Toomey
U.S. Senator, Pennsylvania

Laddyboy

The CANNED RESPONSE you provided is almost exactly the same that I receive from my NON-representatives in Maryland. I as a Law Abiding American Citizen am SOOOooo tired of these PAID SERVANTS who FEEL they know what is best for ME! ABSURD, IGNORANT RESPONSES from EMPLOYEES of the American Citizens.

Arny

I wouldn’t be a bit surprised they all share it & many other things. I am not far from Frederick. I wouldn’t be surprised if we haven’t crossed paths ourselves. I worked in MD, Va, Del quite a few years. Used to love the drags on Sundays back in the day (75/80) & Hagerstown. Antietam dirt bikes. They were good times.

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Rodoeo

We vote them in and they completely ignore us. Figures…

Hazcat

I will absolutely guarantee that Rubio and Scott from FL both voted for it. They are both anti-2A to the core no matter what their lying lips say.

KenW

Maybe you should find out if they did before you post!

Hazcat

I stand corrected and have thanked my Senators for their stand. I see they have added the list to the article now.

hippybiker

Those two a

hippybiker

Those two are my Senators and no, they did not stab us in the back!

JayWPB

Actually, neither one voted for it. However, they both knew which way it was going to go and neither one did anything outstanding to prevent passage.

Orion

then, you know nothing. take a seat. lol!

Stag

They’re listed in the article.

JSNMGC

The article was updated a few minutes ago to include the names.

Finnky

Crump – Thank you for adding the list. Greatly appreciated.

No surprise Cornyn is on it. Also no surprise Cruz is not. Definitely need to write both – thanks to Cruz and condemnation to Cornyn.

Russn8r

The only condemnation that matters is at election time.

Grigori

Check the article, above.

JH1961

Good luck with the ATF’s ‘plan’ to ‘deputize’ local LEOs…

Hazcat

BS, there are MANY local LEOs that will jump at the chance as well as local politicians. That includes in ‘red’ states.

Stag

Since you say it’s BS, maybe you can show a couple of cases where any state agency has refused to assist the ATF or come to the defense of their citizens against the ATF. There are numerous cases where city, county, and state agencies have assisted the ATF.

JSNMGC

Many will be salivating at the opportunity to:

  • Put their boot on their neighbor;
  • Get some extra pay; and
  • Be considered for a federal job with that sweet pension.
Finnky

I’m guessing congress thinks “qualified” immunity for federal agents would protect state and local LEO from consequences of their actions while deputized. Admittedly they would temporarily be federal agents who have extremely broad “immunity” – they wouldn’t just be breaking state law, they would be doing so with full knowledge they are doing so. Punishment from the state would be based on employment contract as we’ll as on criminal acts. Step one – state does not pay federal agents and time does not count toward time with their own agency (VOWA terms assume deputized agents would continue being paid by… Read more »

swmft

lets see who blinks first , the criminal wannabee cops or the good people of the state

Wild Bill

Criminals have the advantage of disenthrallment of action.

Stag

They don’t need luck. Local LEOs all over the country have a history of assisting the ATF. There’s usually at least one story a week here on Ammoland documenting those cases where the ATF brags about violating someone’s rights with the help of city, county, and/or state LEOs.

Orion

federal agencies work with local LEOs when conducting raids or searches on non- federal lands. there needs to be at least one local on scene.

Russn8r

Yep. There needs to be at least one local traitor to his oath.

Wild Bill

Respectfully, what purpose would one local serve?

Stag

All of the locals should be on scene standing between the citizens and the feds who are attempting to violate rights. The point is locals aren’t just being on scene. They’re actively working with the feds on these cases.

Wild Bill

Regretfully, that is the situation.

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Pete

Ensuring those politicians are never elected again would send a very strong message that firearm owners don’t accept politicians who vote for gun control. I should not have to tell anyone this. If you allow them to get away with it expect more. If firearm owners cannot use their voting power they may as well hand their firearms in now. Time to think this is not a game and your rights are not subject to either political control or idiot control. Both need to be removed

Arny

I won’t be complying any time soon. They can kiss my ass ! Good luck with voting, lmao

Finnky

Unsure about my representative as i’ve Been ‘redistricted’ – but Cornyn has to go. Obviously Robert Francis will run for that seat after losing bid for governorship so we need to find and groom someone for the primary.

Pete

Firearm owners have this dangerously erroneous idea that politicians word means something. Heaven only knows where they got that from. It is quite obvious that any politician has to win a popularity contest to stay employed. Why would anyone be surprised if politicians chose the option that they thought would be the most popular one? It is irresponsibly stupid to think a politician would not chose the option they thought would be the most popular. This is not rocket science. So would a 90% pubic support for gun laws be good for firearm owners or is that rocket science as… Read more »

Straight-Shootr
Arny

THE ELECTION WAS FRAUDELENT !

swmft

oddly when they try to stop people looking into something it is usually true, , they would be smarter to say yea go wast your time and money ,so somewhere there is a big whoops like more votes than voters

Deplorable Bill

The election was rigged, stolen, fraudulent, a lie, bull shit etc.

Come and get me.

Arm up and carry on

Orion

anyone? no. since we dont work for the DHS as employees or contractors, this memorandum is a nothing burger.
reading comprehension helps, you should try it sometime. lol.

Deplorable Bill

“A well regulated militia being necessary to a FREE STATE, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” The second amendment, THE law of the land. Governments only legal options regarding the right of any free, un incarcerated citizen’s RIGHT, not privilege to keep and bear arms is SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. ALL laws contrary to the constitution are null and void per the scotus; Marberry vs Madison. These legislators are willfully trying to remove our GOD given, constitutionally guaranteed rights. That is called tyranny and, because they are sworn to uphold the constitution,… Read more »

swmft

i may be old but I would rather kill as many of them as I could than die in a train car or gas chamber or of a false vaccine , and yes, sunshine is the hated foe of any conspirator government in sunshine and still they close doors

Pete

Righteous Americans are few and far between The vast majority have no value for their rights and support gun control. If 90% of the public support gun control laws what percentage of firearm owner would that be. Why does this abysmal state exist and what is wrong with firearm organisations that obedience to laws is pounded in but protecting their members rights in never mentioned or even considered.

Green Mtn. Boy

Vote the worthless RINO’s out, then they are free to join their fellow travelers in the Commiecrat party. FJB and the RINO’s.

Grigori

The problem with that, is these elections are all rigged from the get-go. Lindseypoo Grahamn had several challengers in the last Primary he ran in, any of which who would have been a better choice than him. He got something like 67% of the “votes” cast in that farce. Didn’t even have to do a runoff. The Democrat who ran against him had one of the most heavily funded campaigns in SC history. Many hate me for saying this, but I voted for that Democrat. Why, you might ask? Well, the Democrat would not have represented me or my interests.… Read more »

Russn8r

Did you donate or volunteer for Lee Bright or any of the primary opponents?

Grigori

I voted for one of the opponents and encouraged others to do so.

Russn8r

So you didn’t sacrifice at all.

Wild Bill

The vote is what counts. No pun intended.

Tackleberry

The vote doesn’t matter. It’s the ones who count the vote that matters.

Wild Bill

Yes, that has been often pointed out, and it is something that America has to fix.

Jaque

THE ENTIRE RINO PARTY IS IMPLICATED IN THIS. NO LISTS ARE NEEDED.

Russn8r

I see. So will you vote LOLibertarian, or DemCom?

Jonesy

I remember that “Libertarian running as President with that
Boozer Bill Weld. Both of them were as useless as Tits on a Boar Hog.

Russn8r

Yep. “Libertarians” are more dangerous than DemComs.

JSNMGC

BLUE/Jesse/TEX/Will – 3/13/22:

“+4mdv tommorow.”

Reply to BLUE/Jesse/TEX/Will:

Lots of angry, entitled socialists who don’t realize they are socialists.

How many times did you vote with your various accounts?

Did you have a nice day standing guard?

Russn8r

Over the target… Ahhhh.

Russn8r

Actually, I just downloaded your drinks for tonight.

JSNMGC

BLUE/Jesse/Will/TEX – 3/13/22:

“Rusky just upvoted your nonsense again! I’m looking at it and it’s hilarious!”

Reply to BLUE/Jesse/Will/TEX:

Would you like a medal?

Russn8r

Sure thing, TEX. Participation trophy, or “Webolo”?

Wild Bill

IT does not even know what awards stand for or their import.

Russn8r

oooooh! burrrrn!

Drink up, WildBlue! There’s enough for your whole sock posse.

Wild Bill

Well, now you have met the local hate group. R is an ardent advocate of the perverse mind, and squalid mouth.

Don’t let them chase you away because there are many intelligent and knowledgeable people that come to this site.

JSNMGC

Have you fooled yourself, or are you pretending again?

Russn8r

You mean like people who claim that statutes are not laws?

JSNMGC

John,

Your link goes to S. 3623 – is that what you intended?

GAMtns

John,
How about making a list up of the treasonous RINO’s who voted for this travesty.
These people need to be highlighted and replaced in office. We need to regrow the Republican Party.

Cruiser

A “moderate Republican” (RINO) is just another Democrat by another name. At this point, there is no room for “Moderate Republicans.” The Democrats
have declared war on the Constitution, they’re not a political party, they are a crime syndicate.

swmft

not so sure it is not most of the standing government, rules and laws that violate 1st,2nd,5th,and 14th amendments enforced every day….civil asset forfeiture,two crimes in one all gun control ,peaceable assembly ,covid rules dont have greater force than constitution , and the selective enforcement is beyond criminal

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Stag

They’re listed in the article.

Arizona

NRA has been negotiating or just plain giving our rights away since 1934.

Arizona

Thanks. It is sad but true. The NRA President fully supported their infringement, testified at the NFA bill debate, and helped co-write state laws that required licenses for firearms.

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Orion

100% BS. the old guard has been gone for decades. Todays NRA is not just your grandaddy’s safety and marksmanship organization.
FYI: Under LaPierre they opposed the ’86 machine gun ban, the 1994 AWB and in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, they stopped the Senate revision bill AWB 2.0.
the NRA’s ILA is the most effective lobbying group on the ground for our cause, no one else comes close. fact.

JSNMGC

“they opposed the ’86 machine gun ban” ~ Orion

The NRA supported FOPA (with the Hughes Amendment).

When the Hughes Amendment could not be removed, the NRA supported FOPA with the Amendment.

When armed government employees flagrantly abused the power given to them by the GCA of 1968, the response shouldn’t have been FOPA. The response should have been:

  • Terminate the armed government employees;
  • Ensure the armed government employees’ pensions were discarded;
  • Charge, convict, and incarcerate the armed government employees; and
  • Rally an effort to repeal the GCA of 1968.
Stag

Under LaPierre, the NRA supported the FOPA with the Hughes Amendment (Marrion Hammer confirmed the NRA never had any intention of fighting it), they supported import bans, they supported NICS, they supported the bumpstock ban, they supported ERPOs aka red flag laws, and they supported FixNICS. Fact.