‘Doing Something’ in Wake of Uvalde Looks Like GOP ‘Moderates’ Caving on Red Flags

Betraying gun owners and drowning the fire in their bellies will break up the anticipated wave before it hits the shore. (GOP/Facebook)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Democrats peddle gun control at their own peril,” a Monday Townhall column confidently asserted, pegging further pushes on citizen disarmament a losing strategy for November. “I can assure you, by focusing on gun control, the ‘red wave’ will only become redder.”

“Let’s not get too confident,” was my response the next day on The War on Guns blog. “Not trusting the ‘staunchness’ of most Republicans, I can’t [assure anyone]. I think we just haven’t had the ‘right’ massacre to get a critical mass to turn tail.”

Later that day news reports began coming in about the murders at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX. Democrats immediately did what Democrats do – blamed “lax gun laws” and demanded more of them, all the while attacking and insulting anyone who believes in the uninfringed right of the people to keep and bear arms. And cracks have begun to appear in the Republican façade.

Some of the gun-grabber demands are just that, from Dotard-in-Chief Joe Biden (once again) putting out the call and setting the tone for national hysteria by parroting a ludicrous script about deer in Kevlar vests. Others, like the demand by Golden State Warriors Coach Steve Kerr to pass a “background checks” bill conveniently disregard that the Uvalde child killer passed his (and unlike Hunter Biden, apparently without lying). Then there are sheer professional blood dancing publicity hounds like Beto O’Rourke, who brazenly inserted himself at Gov. Greg Abbott’s press conference in order to score points for his gubernatorial political campaign.

“When it comes to gun bans, the barrier is the Second Amendment, not the gun lobby,” law professor Jonathan Turley reminded readers of The Hill. He’s on the right track, but being an academic enamored of precedent, he wanders into the legal weeds.

“There are some gun limits that could pass constitutional muster, but they will not materially reduce the number of guns in society or, necessarily, gun violence,” Turley muses, not naming what those “constitutional” infringements might be (albeit admitting they wouldn’t do any good is a significant concession).  “There also are a variety of areas that could offer real benefits in reducing such shootings, from badly needed mental health program funding and greater school security to more effective ‘red flag’ laws,” he offers, and that’s where we’re seeing Republican resolve wavering and the danger of federal legislation beginning to focus.

“Bipartisan talks on ‘red flag laws’ pick up after Texas shooting,” Axios reports.

Democrats, we don’t need to concern ourselves with, at least for now—assume they’re all for whatever disarmament edicts they can get whenever they can get them. It’s the Republicans gun owners need to focus on, and there are few surprises here: Susan Collins is a given. So is NRSC Chair Rick Scott if you’ve been following what a phony on the gun issue he’s always been. Read the article and see the other names either receptive to the idea (like Lindsey Graham, who’s already tried to pass a bill) or wavering.

That this is the state of the GOP is hardly surprising, given the signals they receive from the “800 Lb. gorilla.” The NRA is headlining Donald Trump of “Take the guns first, go through due process second” (and ban “bump stocks”!) notoriety at its annual meeting in Houston on Friday. Originally scheduled to speak, but now passing along their regrets, are (NRA-backed) “mental health bill” prior restraint supporter John Cornyn and Department of Pre-Crime/”red flag” advocate Dan Crenshaw.

The weakness has not gone unnoticed.

“Anti-gun left using TX tragedy to cower pro-gun Republicans,” Gun Owners of America observed in a Wednesday national alert:

“We must discuss real solutions to preventing this type of evil from striking again, for example, by arming willing teachers—which is a solution supported by 81% of police. No school that has armed teachers or staff has ever experienced a mass shooting. We must also repeal the unconstitutional Gun Free School Zones Act which leaves our children vulnerable to criminals and our parents unarmed to defend them.”

They have a pre-written form letter for writing our representatives and senators that I recommend using when yours are approachable and amenable to reason.  I’ve noted in the past I don’t see much point in asking Chuck Schumer or Dianne Feinstein for any consideration and in this case, my belief is Republicans need to be focused on exclusively.

Unfortunately, “our” representatives aren’t all that interested in hearing from all voters, just those in their districts, even though legislation they enact affects us all and they’ll happily accept campaign contributions from other districts and states. They make it so you can contact YOUR senators and representative but don’t want one citizen to be able to easily contact others.

An alternative is congresspeople and senators are probably on Twitter (see this locator tool) and sending them a message there has the added effect of being seen by and built upon by others. I understand some will object to that, don’t have a further workaround, and would be interested in hearing if they do.

Assuming you’re willing to make your voice heard, what do you say?

GOA’s language, above, gives us a good start. You could also mention that researcher John Lott has shown:

“While about 30% of school districts in Texas 2020 had armed teachers and staff, unfortunately, the Robb Elementary School in the Uvalde, Texas CISD doesn’t appear to be one of them … There are no provisions in their regulations for teachers or staff to carry.”

I intend to just be blunt, with a statement put together at another time of extraordinary pressure when Republicans were considering “compromise” to be in their political interests and some in the gun industry were considering giving them a pass:

We won’t stand for scapegoating. No new gun laws. Deny success to mass murderers by abolishing phony ‘gun-free’ victim/killer enabling zones now. Work with us or we will work to retire you.

Republicans need to understand in no uncertain terms that the best way to break up the anticipated “red wave” is to demoralize their core constituents.


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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Mack
alan93

videos showing Uvalde community appeared to be mainly obese mexicans. I’m wodering what the employment rate and culture is like there. do they all speak english? are most from socialist countries that don’t allow gun ownership? what is the percent of gun ownership there?

Oldvet

alan93…This may not be much of an answer for you but , one article said they voted 57% Trump .

Russn8r

Really? You have to go there? There’s lots of obese non-Mexicans too. What a slur on some courageous parents.

Tank

Ever notice every time there is a False Flag the same programmed puppets all chime in unison. Another shift in laws/policy’s Liberty/Freedoms keep getting incrementally taken away ?

About as rigged as it gets.

Of course b/c the rigged media reports it & DHS/FEMA have an active shooter program with MOU’s for the silenced LEA’S/LEO’S held by their pensioned jobs must make all the scripted events strictly on the up & up.

When Hitler seized power after his Reichstag fire & Night of the Long knives (aka ‘Operation Hummingbird”) people then also thought it was legit at that time.

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Mack

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) is a way to fight back.

State Red Flag laws violate Title II of the ADA.

Wild Bill

Are you sure?

Public Services (Title II)
Under Title II, public services (which include state and local government agencies, the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, and other commuter authorities) cannot deny services to people with disabilities or deny participation in programs or activities that are available to people without disabilities. In addition, public transportation systems, such as public transit buses, must be accessible to individuals with disabilities. 

Mack

I apologize for not providing a link.

The regulations are what control Title II enforcement and have the force of law.

I will provide a link at the top in a new message.

2A Gun Guy

Bravo David, You are Absolutely Right!

Link

“If the mass media and social media enthusiasts make a pact to no longer share, reproduce or retweet the names, faces, detailed histories or long-winded statements of killers, we could see a dramatic reduction in mass shootings in one to two years,” she said. “Even conservatively, if the calculations of contagion modelers are correct, we should see at least a one-third reduction in shootings if the contagion is removed.” https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion

Ansel Hazen

As I read through all the posts I keep asking myself why every time this happens does the focus seem to remain on the current tragedy? It’s only one small part of a much greater issue. Why do we need to wait and hear both sides of the story, what good is a review of parents cell phone videos or statements from law enforcement? We all know the real problem.

Why aren’t we listening to what the Founding Fathers told us to do?

“FIND NEW GUARDS FOR OUR FUTURE SECURITY”

Wild Bill

Yes, that is true, but someone is going to have to take the blame for this tragedy. That is what people want. Maybe gun owners generally. Maybe the social media. Maybe the police chain of command or their training, or the rank and file cops. Maybe the Fat Boy Institute. But someone is going to get picked.

Ansel Hazen

I think it should be a lot of someone’s. From the current squatter in the WH down to every LEO that stood outside and listened to those kids get killed. Eye for an Eye justice would have this country cleaned up lickety split.

Wild Bill

Yeah, it should be, but will it?

TGP389

What happened in Texas was horrible, but I’m more worried about drag queen happy hour in school than a nut. We absolutely need to harden school security, but you can’t say its unsafe to allow an eighteen year old to buy a semiautomatic weapon, but then give eighteen year olds fully automatic versions of the same weapons and send them into combat.

Wild Bill

Yep, the marxist socialists will use this as a power play. Our society guards everything valuable from the president to the local jewelry store with guns, but our schools are guarded with a sign that reads, “Gun Free Zone”.
Things must be just as the politicians want them to be. I could be wrong.

alan93

the left would easily knock down that arguement and say one is under the tightly controlled purview of the gvmt and one is not

hippybiker

The Vultures on the left are picking at the corpses of the innocent ones before the services and the burials have taken place!
Is it any wonder that some of us refer to these scum as “Demon Rats?!”

Wild Bill

Yeah, this is an opportunity to them.

nrringlee

We have known for a long time the Progressive New Left will resort to any extreme to suspend due process in order to achieve total power. This is one such case. The intensity of the attack on liberty can best be measured by how quickly the vanguard of the proletariat converts tragedy in to propaganda. We saw that this week in Austin when Master Beto ORourke jumped at the chance to politicize what was intended to be a call to prayer. Master Beto has been playing a game of hiding his true intentions for your God given liberties while exploiting… Read more »

Patriot Solutions

In Colorado the pols show up at the school within minutes before the blood has dried almost as if they knew of the false flag prior to it occuring……..

john

“Democrats are now a sickness that is in desperate need of a cure” The Biden plan would provide more money to illegal immigrants than Gold Star families receive after a relative is killed in action “Just when you thought President Biden’s border crisis or inflation couldn’t get any worse, the President wants to cut $450,000 checks to illegal immigrants on the backs of hardworking American taxpayers. That’s more than Gold Star families receive after their relative is killed in action,” said Senator Joni Ernst, a combat veteran. “This proposal is outrageous and incredibly disrespectful to the loved ones of those who’ve… Read more »

willyd

YES, being retired my purchase power is in the tubes and the IDIOT in the WHITEHOUSE ISN’T HELPING ANY!!!!!!!! But he wants to give money to ALL ILLEGALS, that is a real SLAP IN THE FACE to all of the people that have worked all of their life and did make it to be able to retire!!!!!

Wild Bill

Yeah, we sold a vehicle, recently, and used the money to fill the basement with long and medium term food stores.

john

A full investigation by republicans into the Uvalde shooting needs to be done immediately. Democrats will never stop the anti gun march , their plan for selling our country out includes disarming the public. Our country needs to stand alone not become part of the global reset. If democrats cared about human life the coronavirus / wuhan / Dr Facui would not have been possible without their actions.
There are those in the republican party rhinos that no longer can be trusted and are willing to become a one party system in the United States.

Wild Bill

True, and many American agencies and institutions (e.g. FBI and CIA) are populated with betrayers that embrace the global reset. They can not be trusted either.

john

I do believe the democrats are desperate we will see more violence as the midterms approach. There is a connection between social media and influencers that have a lock on those will to commit such acts.
Today the smartphone is a way of life for most people they do everything through there devices it’s kind of diabolical when you think that all the illegals.Those that the democrats need to reach have been giving free smartphones. The deep state are influencers in the progressive movement.

Wild Bill

Yep, I read that there are an overlapping eighty-three federal programs to give out free stuff.
Amazing that with all the evil things that the democrats do and are known to the public, the one thing that will hurt them in the next election is the price of gasoline.

john

If proof can be discovered showing the link between the violence connecting the use of the smartphone and the democrats which should be easy if the FBI and NSA were not in bed with that party that would turn the tide.

Just think democrats want to give 450 thousand dollars to every illegal that was detained under Trump.

On Oct. 28, 2021, U.S. Rep. Bryan Steil, R-Janesville, sent out this tweet: “Our border is wide open and now (President Joe) Biden is in talks to pay illegal immigrants $450,000. This is unbelievable.” 

Arny

QUIT paying taxes as much as possible & ammo up. I have been for years. Waiting for the knock knock.

Wild Bill

That is a good idea! A federal income tax boycott would really get the government’s attention.

swmft

yhe will be looking for us to house all these illegals next that may be the knock

Rob

Soylent Green

john

excellent saw that movie

USMC0351Grunt

Ah! Somebody has been paying attention! What about the movie, Contagion? The 2011 movie that the governments worldwide used to play-out and shutter or totally destroy a greater percentage of the productive people and businesses with the recent Covid pandemic?

Wild Bill

The movie is based upon the book “The Hot Zone” by Richard Preston. Preston is a professional researcher that documents the escape of the Ebola virus in Reston, Va and what the government did to contain it. The author names names, witnesses, and documentary sources.
If you want to understand virus and how they spread and government response, then this is the book. And it is not boring!

Wild Bill

That is a rumor worth spreading globally!!

swmft

kind of sick, people dont care if their neighbor has food or is getting evicted but cost of going to work reaches the have to give up fun to survive then they think something is wrong

swmft

which makes most leos bad guys , protect and serve is long dead , they waited till shooting stopped to enter ,a sign in these hard to find ammo times,that the shooter was out or almost out of ammo

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john

What I heard on the fox news radio by the local senator was sickening. That after the last shot was fired the local police went into a hostage mode which meant that they could not enter till that team arrived on scene. Plain and simple fire rescue rushes into burning buildings to save lives daily. Mariners rush to sinking boats to save lives. Marines rush into battle and take the fight to the enemy. Coast Guard swimmers jump into 50 foot waves to save a fisherman. None of the above wait they all take action When children are under fire… Read more »

Wild Bill

Even a senator from Texas is a politician. Politicians lie for a living, and often just because they are good at it.

john

A man that does not face evil can not face himself ever again.

PMinFl

Unfortunately the days of protect and serve are over. The legislators make the laws to protect themselves, and they serve none but their own. This is not the America I grew up in.

Wild Bill

How could the actions of a half dozen cops in Uvalde make most leos bad guys? I’m thinking that we can not reasonably come to a conclusion until we hear the cops side of it. This is America, after all.
So far we have only heard from politicians and the media, both groups are professional liars.

john

Police officers are just people that have made a choice to do that job. There is bad apples in every bushel no matter what the job title is. It is there policies !!! that are now questable do to the politicians and mayors who also have some very bads apples in their bushell. The fact remains children being killed in a school no time to wait extreme force must be applied, So others fear the outcome if they make that same bad decision to attack defenceless children. There can be no other outcome than a dead shooter while any one… Read more »

Wild Bill

Well … ok … but it is law enforcement. Aren’t the cops supposed to try to arrest the perp?

john

The rules of engagement are to arrest the suspect, that is hard to do in a firefight when children’s lives are on the line and you take the fight to them.

Waiting outside for instruction handcuffing parrents tazing them while their children are dying.

WRONG

Look at the Boston bomber the police shot how many times into that boat not a scratch ???? poor marksmanship skills Now that fellow is living off our money he should have faced the gallows and the hangman’s rope.

Wild Bill

Ok, but you wrote, ” There can be no other outcome than a dead shooter …” I’m just asking aren’t the cops supposed to try to mark an arrest?

john

Yes & Yes
The second yes
When someone is shooting at you shot back to kill How is that , call the wagon , call it done

john

There are videos that were taken at the school on people smart phones and what they captured have all yet to be seen.

It is always a good idea to understand that you are always being photographed.

Russn8r

You’re lying. We also heard from the parents and saw them on video. They’re not professional liars. And we also heard from an LEO who is obviously a professional liar, and not a very good one. Why do you hate good cops by covering for bad ones?

Wild Bill

I think that no reasonable person would come to a conclusion before the individuals involved got to make their statements. American due process demands that the accused get to tell their side of things.

Russn8r

This is not a jury trial, nor should it be. Nice try.

Wild Bill

I did not say that it was. Jury trial is not the only decision forum.

Ope

There’s not enough information or facts known yet to accuse anyone of anything. The investigation is ongoing and will take time. None of those murdered kids or teachers have even been laid to rest yet. It’s time to unite not fight.

Wild Bill

Yeah, and part of that is that the individuals involved should get to tell their side of the story, if they want.
Yeah, I could not agree more.

Russn8r

Tell TX DPS Dir McCraw: “The Chief was convinced there was no threat to the children, the subject was barricaded & they had time to organize proper equipment.” McGraw said law enforcement knows they made poor decisions. “It was the wrong decision” not to enter & take out the gunman initially. https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-texas-officer-gives-timeline-of-school-shooting-admits-mistakes-were-made NO ONE buys waiting for an extended investigation (or whitewash) before coming to any conclusions. Phrases like “unite not fight” & “let’s not play the blame game” are the M.O. of guilty gvt officials, like after 911 when no one was held even morally accountable for blowing off… Read more »

PMinFl

They all want one party when they think they will be at the top of it.

Oldman

I find it hard to believe that there are as many sick f#@ks here on ammo land as there is in all the world of the internet. You all make CNN and MSBNC look like beginners when it comes to actually caring about what happened to these nineteen children. Name calling and total disrespect for one another is what make this world as messed up as it is. I am Ashamed.

USMC0351Grunt

Could it be that Ammolanders are grieving, speaking out or venting by placing blame on those that made great statements of “solutions” that were supposed to have been enacted for our SCHOOLS and all their ideas of SECURITY put IN PLACE ever since all the rhetoric we were forced to endure ever since Columbine, yet NEVER received?

john

There are those who oppose the extreme actions that it will take to stop these killers. Once you show them that their decision to do such a horrible act , will end very badly met with extreme prejudice that will send a clear message. The two who were arrested yesterday as miners years ago that were admitting to doing a school shooting in the future. There files were sealed. The fact is they should never be able to purchase a firearm due to that arrest as miners claiming they were going to commit a shooting In a school. There background… Read more »

Wild Bill

Perhaps we could show them that their decision to do such a horrible act, will end very badly by hanging them.

Russn8r

We don’t need govt to provide “security”. We need gvt to get out of the way and let teachers & staff defend themselves, each other & kids.

Uvalde had security – an “SRO” & a large police “response”. More Broward Cowards. Useless union payroll. The “security” model does not work. Ban “gun free” school zones.

Oldman

That could be true, I agree. But it doesn’t make it right, IMO.

Russn8r

Make WHAT right? Texas DPS Dir McCraw:

“The Chief was convinced there was no threat to the children, the subject was barricaded & they had time to organize proper equipment.”

McGraw said law enforcement knows they made poor decisions. “It was the wrong decision” not to enter & take out the gunman initially.

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-texas-officer-gives-timeline-of-school-shooting-admits-mistakes-were-made

Covering for bad cops hurts good cops – real cops. That’s what’s SICK. Look in the mirror, cop hater.

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Green Mtn. Boy

“Looks Like GOP ‘Moderates’ Caving on Red Flags”AKA worthless RINO’s.

Russn8r

Yep. Jon Cornhole & Mitch McCornhole.

Wild Bill

Nice language.

Russn8r

Oh, your poor, shocked, virgin, bubble boy ears. What a priss.

JSNMGC

Is this ok?

“In a nice way I say that they can blow me, that is why you have a good account doing your taxes” ~ john

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/05/california-anti-gun-bills-eligible-for-floor-votes/#axzz7URhnrK1R

USMC0351Grunt

WHO is down-voting “Corn Hole”? He’s worthless! Either that or his Dallas staff is NOT performing their duties and deceptively changing the information that his constituents are providing him.

john

More readers need to have look at this and understand this is nothing new, Today we get instant information around the clock. Some of it most of it is tainted by a corrupt news media. One fact remains the same when Democrats are in control these shootings elevate murder and the crime rate increase. I have to say Trump had his faults. Crime was down on all levels people were to busy enjoying the prosperity looking to their retirement portfolios increasing in value 1.99 gal energy independence. Joe Biden did not win the election with more votes than any US… Read more »

Russn8r

~”You can contact YOUR reps but not easily others”

Workaround known to activists but stupidly shunned by 2A groups:

Call the DC & local ph #s on a rep’s website

In 1000s of calls to other district pols I’ve only had 2-3 residency blow-offs. Why? They know we’re all potential donor-volunteers for or against them. In that sense, same qualitative reason to heed our calls as a non-resident lobbyist’s.

With cell #s they don’t know where you live. Feel free to give a local office zip. For prisses who cringe at LYING, nut up. It’s a WAR for the USA

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Arny

Doesn’t your area code give your location away ? But I do get what your saying. lol

PMinFl

My cell area code is 1300 miles away.

Russn8r

Not anymore, not with cell phone number portability. I know lots of folks who move to across the country and keep their old numbers.

musicman44mag

Nope and they know where you are at all times. When I was on vacation in Ohio I got a Amber alert for a young girl that was taken by her dad with the description of the car, license plate and all. They knew I was in that state. I also received a tornado warning one time in another state on my kommiefornia area code phone and I live in OreGONE.

Your area code doesn’t change a thing.

Russn8r

Where you are does not prove where you live. Someone with a Arizona area code who now lives in Alaska may well be visiting relatives in Arizona, or snowbirding for the winter. There’s no law against lobbying “your” rep in Utah while out of town. Staff knows that and will not hassle the caller over it.

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musicman44mag

Huh?

Russn8r

Really?

You can be a legal Alaska resident while keeping your Arizona cell phone area code & number, call your Alaska rep while visiting Arizona, and even if your rep’s staff can see you’re physically in Arizona with an Arizona number, they will still take your call and not blow you off.

If they ask, give them a zip code in the district.

JSNMGC

The good people in East Texas could use a little help in influencing Cornyn. His Tyler, TX office number is:

Main: (903) 593-0902

Russn8r

“TX Rangers investigating the slow police response that gave the killer 40mins say the SRO did NOT discharge his weapon” -ArmyBratMom “Gomez was handcuffed, begging officers to enter the building. Eventually convincing them to unshackle her, she hopped the fence, entered & ran out with both children. She saw police tackle a father & pepper spray another.” -Human Events “if cops stood outside knowing someone was killing kids, man. Not sure how you could live with yourself. I don’t wanna hear ‘training’ & ‘protocols’ either. Barf” -Jesse Kelly Worse than The Broward Cowards. ENOUGH “SRO” & 911 placebos. Ban “Gun Free” Zones.… Read more »

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Ope

They are investigating the entire incident as they always do.

Russn8r

And?

Ope

And ? You specifically say “slow” to try to make some kind of inference to the police response.. That’s what the “and” is !

JSNMGC

Based on Victor’s briefing, it seems like that may be the case. It may be one of those cases where the facts are never revealed. It would be interesting if someone interviewed a number of the parents. The law enforcement narrative is suspect.

Were you in Texas law enforcement at some point? If so, maybe you can shed some light on things. Do you expect the local law enforcement to publish a timeline of what happened when at some point?

Russn8r

I’m not making “some kind of inference”. I’m straight up saying it’s a disgrace. You think sitting it out for 40 mins “organizing” and “mobilizing” while kids are being executed, handcuffing & pepper spraying mom’s & dads who tried to go in, but going in & getting their own kids, while waiting for the Border Patrol to do the job the police should’ve done is acceptable?

Ope

The facts in this case are still developing and you’re an expert on the timeline,treatment of parents by police,etc. BS You are just making up most this bullshit on the fly.

Russn8r

“Cop or no cop, if someone is shooting kids and you got a weapon in your hands, you need to go get in a gunfight. Maybe you win and maybe you lose. But you gotta go get in a gunfight.” -Jesse Kelly

Talk about BS. Stop the BS excuses.

Ope

I agree with you on that. I would not had been at the police staging area discussing tactics hearing kids get shot. That would never happen. We are generally on the same side on this lets just wait for official reports before making judgements. The husband of one of the teachers killed died after getting home from making her funeral arrangements Died from grief. Very sad.

Ope

I personally could never be at a staging area and hearing kids getting shot while discussing strategy. I just could not do that. Let’s just wait until all the investigations are concluded before drawing any conclusions.

Russn8r

Fair enough, but I’ve seen enough here to come to some conclusions, not perfect ones, but good enough.

One perfectly clear conclusion from this and Parkland: “Resource Officers” and “Dial 911 & Die” are pathetic non-substitutes for banning “gun free” school zones and arming & training teachers & staff.

I’ve also seen enough investigations to know that many are nothing but intentionally dragged out ass-covering. Examples: The 911 Whitewash Commission, Las Vegas

swmft

biggest whitewash warren commission , they are cya studies little more

swmft

count the police waiting around arresting parrents and tell me something has not gone seriously wrong with law enforcement the name in itself tells you what is wrong no longer about public service but power and control instead of helping society it is now a symptom of the ills I got in to save people being victimized got out because system was a big part of the problem

Wild Bill

Yes, something is wrong. The media wants us to jump to the conclusions that the problems are guns and police. Let’s give everyone a fair shake and get to the bottom of things, first.

Grigori

I am a retired cop and I am 100% with you! This reeks of the same incompetence as the Florida school shooting and the Broward Coward. Cop or not, there is no excusing this bs.

JSNMGC

Thank you.

Russn8r

Thanks Grigori. God Bless Good Cops. True courage is honoring oath & duty even at risk of life & limb and in the face of unconscionable orders and laws.

Russn8r

Check out the cop-hater downvotes!

Grigori

You’re welcome JSNMGC and Russn8r! If what a friend just read to me over the phone a few minutes ago is accurately reported, I am about to go you one better and really pi$$ off the apologists on here. According to the article she was reading, I don’t recall the news source, a “Texas Lieutenant” was quoted as saying that if they had rushed in right away, the officers could have been shot, or words very close to that effect. W-T-actual F???? If a cop made that statement, he should be fired and de-certified ASAP! I don’t know about today… Read more »

Arny

That was what a officer said on a news conference. Then he stated they needed tactical vest & a whole list of supplies. Oh & sniper teams. lol

Russn8r

Yep. Why not wait for air cover, tanks, and artillery too? Then when they HAD the armor, they wouldn’t use it, so a father said “give me the armor and I’ll go in”, and they told him to get lost.

swmft

now you see why I call the police useless now, I would have run in and done my level best to save even one child, I have been shot beaten broken up but a child’s life is worth more than mine ALL those cops should be fired

Russn8r

I agreed with your in another post, but it’s being moderated, hopefully not by the genius who came up with “Awaiting for approval”. Maybe you’ll see it in a few days, by accident.

JSNMGC

“Ope:” “The facts in this case are still developing and you’re an expert on the timeline,treatment of parents by police,etc. BS You are just making up most this bullshit on the fly.” Yes, the facts are still developing because law enforcement almost certainly lied about what happened and they stood there while Abbott heaped glory on them. It will be interesting when all the facts come out. The investigators should not be members of any Texas law enforcement agency. If it is determined that some of them lied, note that not one has come forward with the truth. That would… Read more »

Ope

Civilian review boards and civilian investigative bodies have always been a dismal failure for various reasons.I know you will never believe this but the Texas Rangers are a very competent and honest investigative agency. They don’t protect or cover for any law enforcement even within their own ranks. This investigation is going to take quit a while.

JSNMGC

“I know you will never believe this but the Texas Rangers are a very competent and honest investigative agency.” ~ “Ope”

You are correct – I do not believe the Texas Rangers will be independent.

I watched their testimony on Waco. They were not impressive.

I expect more videos taken by “civilians” will surface.

I expect more parents will be interviewed by the media.

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Ope

Have a good evening.

JSNMGC

“Have a good evening.” ~ “Ope”

Thank you for your service.

Wild Bill

Cop hater.

Russn8r

Cop hater.

JSNMGC

“Cop hater.” ~ Wild Bill

Not true. You make excuses for bad cops.

Some good cops (from out of the area) are starting to speak up about the truth and they are criticizing the actions of the cops who did not take prompt action.

All the facts are not available, but it’s likely the cops were not forthright in their description about what happened.

It happens too often and you pretend it doesn’t.

PMinFl

Like always it’s easy to talk tough about someone else’s guts, but one never knows, until facing the enemy, how valiant one is. I would like to think that all police would react with honor.

JSNMGC

“Like always it’s easy to talk tough about someone else’s guts, but one never knows, until facing the enemy, how valiant one is. I would like to think that all police would react with honor.” ~ PMinFl

It’s the enforcers who “talk tough:”

  • “we do what we do”
  • “we run TO the sound of gunfire”
  • “who are YOU going to call when a bad guy is breaking into YOUR house?”

They do have nice hats.

swmft

I like the forestry service hats

Russn8r

“Only time will heal their pain and hopefully changes will be made at all schools in the U.S. and teachers will be trained & allowed to carry in order to protect themselves and students.”
-Jacob Albarado, Border Patrol Agent & GOOD COP who went in

So will Wild Bill stop falsely claiming I’m a cop hater now? No way.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10858885/Hero-CBP-cop-rushed-Texas-massacre-school-shotgun-teacher-wife-texted-Help.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

Wild Bill

You and your partner reveal yourselves without any help from me.

Russn8r

Whassup, Cop Hater?

Wild Bill

Yes, the review board concept is very often corrupted by putting leftists and cop haters on the boards

Russn8r

I’ve already proved that YOU are the cop-hater on this board.

Wild Bill

Only in your own mind.

Russn8r

Why do you hate good cops, Bill? What’s your major malfunction?

Wild Bill

Cop hater.

Russn8r

Cop hater.

JSNMGC

“Cop hater.” ~ Wild Bill No, I’m not. It’s your authoritarian, statist inclination that only allows you to see criticism and skepticism as “hate.” If fewer people in law enforcement lied, more people would believe them. If fewer people in law enforcement covered for bad cops, more people would trust them. I will applaud Texas sheriffs if Steve Westbrook issues a statement tomorrow along the lines of: “There has been some reporting on the recent shooting that was not correct. It also appears there may have been some actions that were not proper. The Sheriffs’ Association of Texas calls for a rapid disclosure… Read more »

Russn8r

Wild Bill is the true cop hater of Ammoland. Think about it:

He covers for Oathbreakers who don’t deserve the honor of being called cops, diminishing the honor of true cops worthy of badge & public trust. This can get good cops harmed, even killed, in 2 ways:

1) Honoring duty by rushing in under fire to save lives while cowards “organize” & taser parents who try to save kids.

2) In times of tyranny, arrested or killed by Oathbreakers for resisting illegal orders & laws.

Cover for bad cops = hate real cops = cop hater = Bill

QED

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Wild Bill

No, I just believe that the majority of police officers are good and decent people.

Russn8r

No, you sabotage good cops = real cops, covering for Oathbreaking cowards who dishonor the badge = cop hater.

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Wild Bill

I don’t sabotage anyone. And you are not logical.

Russn8r

You are a cop hater.

Deg4u

All this bickering needs to stop now. No matter of your opinion of other people on here, stick to the article your commenting on. These insults of other people is nonsense.

Wild Bill

I do not think that I am at fault, and my responses are comparatively mild, and I don’t write filthy verse.
Have you made the same demand of anyone else?

Russn8r

You’re SUCH a hypocrite. “Filthy” verse. Who do you think you’re kidding with the prissy bubble boy act. What are you, the Virgin Bill?

“I’m sure that you’re an expert on sucking, bro.” -Wild Bill

swmft

wish he was but that is how it went down , he is wrong about the 40 minutes it was just over an hour, this was worse than parkland even with the cowards, at parkland an unarmed coach tried to stop the shooter

Deg4u

I seen on ABC33/40 news today that confirms what Russn8r said.

JSNMGC

Anything seem “familiar?”

Wild Bill

Yeah, it seems familiar that you two are trying to paint all police based upon a single incident, the facts of which are not known, yet.

Russn8r

Nonsense. No one’s painting all police as anything, except YOU.

Deg4u

News (ABC33/40) is saying 77 minutes before police went in.

JSNMGC

No one is trying to paint all police based on a single incident.

You’re lying again.

Russn8r

Wild Bill’s a master of projection. Covers for bad cops, thereby lumping them in with good cops, thereby disgracing good cops, then accuses you of “painting all police”.

JSNMGC

It will be interesting to see all the facts, but the videos and some parent descriptions of what happened are getting more traction. If the enforcers stood there and then lied, I’m not sure they are going to be able to sweep this one under the rug.

Stag

Without government, who would stand around for almost an hour while children are being murdered and physically assault and detain parents who want to rescue their own children?

Russn8r

Wild Bill & Oldman?

Stag

I see by the downvotes that there are people who support children being murdered while government thugs not only choose not to intervene but also actively prevent others from doing so.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/05/26/texas-gunman-uvalde-salvador-ramos/

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-school-shooting-politics-texas-shootings-56a4d01fb1cda19947db89fcb6bd85fd?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

Oh, and here’s video of the government thugs worrying more about angry parents than children being murdered. They’re actually deploying tasers and detaining people to keep them from rescuing their own children.

https://twitter.com/RealSpikeCohen/status/1529678726715387906?t=UGT6awz3CuongCEJLa64NQ&s=19

JSNMGC

“Who are YOU going to call when someone breaks into YOUR house ?”

“You probably got a ticket (that you deserved) .”

“Let’s see YOU put on the badge and show us how it’s done !!”

“You don’t know what it’s LIKE to be in the arena. YOU have never done the job !!”

“It’s a hard life, not like the soft life of a civilian .”

“I knew you wouldn’t understand .”

JSNMGC

Victor said they went in immediately after an hour. He was speaking to live cameras as if he was lying to some 16-year-old he pulled over. The arrogance.

Russn8r

I heard that too. “Immediately in after an hour.” What a pathetic cowardly clown.

JSNMGC

The double-speak on the SRO(s) was interesting as well.

H

I wonder if you’re making a mistake in thinking the Republicans want to win at the national level in 2022. If they do, paraphrasing from the original Ghostbusters we’ll expect results. Mostly ones they don’t want to give us, or have no power to as long as the Democrats control the White House and can prevent impeachment of anyone from Biden to judges making up laws causing a lot of the punishing inflation we’re experiencing. For example everything gets more expensive when you make crude oil and Diesel more expensive, and we’ve most recently added to that by blocking Diesel… Read more »

john

Republicans who they have not produced a contender for president since bush Trump gave them no choice. Then help him lose the election and called for his impeachment “Mitch Mcconnell”

MICHAEL J

Politicians on either side of the aisle are responsible for this wash, rinse, repeat mentality. I thought the last school massacre was to be the last one, well except for this one. Their, we really mean it this time is just piling laws on top of laws that only affects the law abiding.
Evil people exist, get that through your thick politician’s skulls.
Instead of sending billions to Ukraine, harden every school or at least the ones you care about. There are never enough cops until there’s a shooting, but not enough before that.

JSNMGC

I will be shocked if Trump does not reiterate his support for raising the age to buy a semiautomatic firearm to 21 and also his enthusiastic support of red flag laws.

Maybe he won’t do it tomorrow, but he wants more of the votes from that subset of the swing voters who believe the government can protect their children if we just have more gun control. He will continue pandering to that group to get their votes.

FlaBoy

I agree with Trump…the age to purchase guns without parental consent should be 21 years old. Things have changed over the years, and the maturity of young people today is not what is was years ago. Back in the days when most people were raised on farms or were working at young ages, maturity and a sense of responsibility developed early. But with today’s “soft” society, helicopter parents, fatherless homes, etc, this is no longer true. Yes, there are still some young, mature, responsible 18 year olds, but unfortunately, there are way too many who are not. Note I am… Read more »

FlaBoy

I DO NOT support Red Flag laws. They are too easily misused and abused. Yet I think we need to, as gun owners, come up with ways to keep crazy, mentally deranged people from purchasing firearms, while maintaining our Second Amendment rights.

Ope

ERPO’s will never happen in Texas. It just gives the socialists something to run off at the mouth about and show how much they care. ERPO’s would have had zero effect in Texas or Buffalo NY.(or any other recent shootings)

Grigori

The ways suggested, including yours to raise the age to purchase long guns, ARE A BLADFACE INFRINGEMENT on our right that as intended by its authors, “SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED”.

Russn8r

That’s quite stupid, since there is no way to stop them from buying guns on the black market. The primary effect of your placebo is to punish good people.

JSNMGC

People born in the 1940s committed mass murders when they were 18 to 20 years old. One of the worst was committed by those people.

Regarding “today’s ‘soft’ society,” you may want to get out and meet some young people (or at least a better class of them then you have experience with).

Stag

Don’t you just love when people call themselves “a Second Amendment supporter” while telling you all the infringement they support? Butters and Fudds are cancer.

JSNMGC

It used to be even worse.

john

You are incorrect here 18 year olds defend our country everyday and put their lives on the line in every branch of service. Keep supporting the NRA.

WeWereWarned

Sir, we soft older millennials would have fubared the government and supporters, if they tried to strip us of our rights and turn us into just following orders socialists with a draft after 9-11. You older folks were dishonorable cowards and said yes to following orders of a corrupt government during Nam. That made it so you older cowards thought patriotism meant absolute subservience to a corrupt government, the exact opposite of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. It is also why stop and frisk or any gun control law can’t be safely done around us Western non boomers. We… Read more »

HLB

Responsibility is not so much an individual age dependent thing. From the moment you are born your parents are responsible for what you do. At some age the laws of the country define your responsibility and your parents are off the hook legally. That needs to be a clean cut line. Once you are a responsible individual then you can serve in the military, become a policeman, and own weapons. So set that age, then let it ride. Not able to purchase arms as an adult citizen can? Then no service in the military. The 18 year old’s are smart,… Read more »

Russn8r

I think the age for you to legally buy a gun should be raised to 110, since you’re thoughtless and don’t care about gun rights.