Take the Blame for Mass-Murder? Then I Want the Credit for Lives Saved by Guns

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Guns Save Lives

U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)- I saw this on social media and in the news after a crazy man attacked an elementary school in Texas.

The claim was that honest gun owners are responsible for murdering schoolchildren in Texas because we wouldn’t give up our guns.

That got me thinking. Maybe I’ll take the blame for mass murder but then I also want credit for the many lives that ordinary gun owners save every day. Let’s sort through this argument of claims and counterclaims.

Active shooters killed 103 people last year. The FBI said there were 12 incidents last year that met the narrower definition of a mass shooting.

Gun-prohibitionists say that we would vastly reduce crime and mass murder if we outlawed guns. They ignore that we’ve seen and continue to see mass murder where guns were completely outlawed. For example, Chinese murderers attacked people at a train station with knives. Mass murderers used guns to attack us in the US even where ordinary citizens were disarmed. The gun prohibitionists ignore that criminals use guns even where guns are outlawed in the entire country like in Mexico and in France. We’ve seen dozens of protesters who were murdered by Mexican politicians that were working with the drug gangs.

For a moment we’ll ignore all that and let the gun prohibitionists’ claim stand without examination. Let’s pretend you could stop armed violence with more ink on paper.

What the gun prohibitionists want to hide from us is that our guns save thousands of lives every day. Ordinary citizens like us use a firearm for defense over a million times a year. Think about what that says. For us to legally use a firearm in self-defense means that we faced an immediate and unavoidable threat of death or great bodily injury. That means a lot of those armed victims are going to be hurt if they were disarmed. You deserve credit for the thousands of lives you save every day.

You Save Ten Times More Lives Every Day Than Mass Murderers Take In A Year.

The counterclaim is that criminals would be disarmed too if honest citizens were disarmed. I doubt that. If criminals obeyed the law then they wouldn’t be criminals. If prohibition worked then we wouldn’t have drugs in every high school. You’ll have to show me where criminals turned in their guns and violent crime dropped because of gun-control laws. I’ve looked and I can’t find it.

We already know that 85 percent of violent crime doesn’t involve the criminal having a gun. How will innocent victims stop violent criminals once the victims are disarmed? Is grandma supposed to go hand-to-hand with violent thugs who break down her door? Gun prohibitionists say we should call the police. The gun prohibitionists ignore that we are only able to call the police once the crime is over and the damage is done.

No time to run

What the gun-prohibitionists also want to deny or at least hide is that guns STOP mass murder.

We’ve seen that happen in restaurants, parks, malls, churches, and schools. If we’re going to blame honest gun owners for the actions of criminals then we also have to give gun owners credit for the lives they save. While we’re handing out credit and blame, does this mean that federal, state, and local governments owe armed citizens and gun manufacturers a reward because ordinary gun owners save so many lives and saved society so much money by reducing violence?

I also want credit for another benefit of civilian firearm ownership. Guns in civilian hands help politicians to respect human rights and to obey the rule of law.

We’ve heard US politicians talk about arresting people who wouldn’t wear a mask. Politicians talked about arresting business owners who wouldn’t close their shops. We’ve seen that happen in China, but we still have the rule of law in the United States, at least for now. Neither side wants to say this out loud, but politicians follow the law rather than use armed force because armed citizens can push back. I like that we use words and arguments rather than clubs and guns. I like that, and I want gun owners in the US to get credit for all of it.

With that settled, now the gun-prohibitionists can tell me how criminals will obey their next gun-control law after the thugs ignored the 23-thousand firearms regulations we already have.

I love a good story.


About Rob Morse

The original article, with sources, is posted here. Rob Morse writes about gun rights at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, at Second Call Defense, and on his SlowFacts blog. He hosts the Self Defense Gun Stories Podcast and co-hosts the Polite Society Podcast. Rob was an NRA pistol instructor and combat handgun competitor.

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john

Blame those elected who have made victims of every American for political gain. Now those same elected are on the wrong side of the constitution that protects us from those elected. Are there actions criminal ?

The police have no sworn duty to protect you they will not rush into a gun fight.

Criminals are just what the word implies.

a person who has committed a crime.
“these men are dangerous criminals”

swmft

they sure did not rush in in texas they waited for the shooting to stop

Ope

I’m confident that many of those kids would had survived if the Uvalde ISD Police weren’t useless cowards.(did they think they were making an active school shooter training video on exactly what NOT to do ?) It’s a damn shame that there isn’t any criminal charges that can be brought against them. They need to be in jail !

Trussman

The number of armed self-defense incidents is probably way higher, due to unreported events. I know in my instance, a guy pulled a knife on me, and rudely asked for my money. I drew my S&W 442 and demanded his knife. He didn’t advance, dropped his Kershaw assisted-opening folder and I didn’t shoot him in the back (fair trade) I also didn’t call the police. That Kershaw knife is my EDC to this day.

CourageousLion

Good one! I gave each of my four sons one of those Kershaws. Nice knives.

StillWolfe

With regard to ‘Armed Officers Standing Around…’ etc. etc. I’m not saying it was morally right, but there is another view we, as gun owners, ought to know about and thus have a more nuanced view. First, most gun owners know SCOTUS has affirmed that police officers do not have an obligation to protect any individual’s life (or group of individuals’ lives) no matter what the slogan on the side of their cruiser read. Police are tasked with enforcing laws and they are not required to die in the process. That’s why they set up perimeters and call SWAT. Second,… Read more »

CourageousLion

Maybe they shouldn’t be cops if that is the story. They have body armor, bullet proof shields, full auto weapons and sheer numbers. But hey, they also might get an ingrown toe nail to keep them from doing what their job is SUPPOSED to be for. NOT JUST ENFORCING LAWS. And in this case the LAW they SHOULD have been ENFORCING was one called MURDER. But hey, it’s so much easier to enforce bullshit “Laws” like jay walking or speeding since those kinds of laws aren’t typically dangerous to enforce. THEY WERE A BUNCH OF COWARDS.

CourageousLion

  BREAKING: Multiple officers were inside Robb Elementary School with rifles and at least one ballistic shield at 11:52 a.m. the day of the shooting, new video and other evidence shows. They didn’t enter the classroom for another 58 minutes. More soon via @statesman and @KVUE. 1/2 pic.twitter.com/0BcYgq2hcQ   — Tony Plohetski (@tplohetski) June 20, 2022   Americans need to have all their guns taken away so that the police can stand around and wait while our children are massacred and take a knee while our cities burn.   Gun prohibitionists think that their lives are so much more important then police or military.… Read more »

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Arny

And the door was unlocked.

Dubi Loo

Adage learned in the fire academy in 1971: “Try before you pry.” Seems no heavily armed government agent attempted to turn the handle. The cowardice is stunning.

I’d be curious to know if the room had windows to the outside?

swmft

they should be in parkland ,run and hide, useless trash

JSNMGC

All that failure and posters on this site want to hire yet more armed government employees with arrest powers.

CourageousLion

Armed government employees with arrest powers only have guns for their protection from US. But since we VASTLY out number them, they just better walk with a bit of understanding that we just might be willing to FIGHT FOR FREEDOM HERE. I never joined the military because I had figured out that there was no need for one if we had state militias and I saw how it was being used to go to far away places, meet strange unusual people and shoot them for no reason that made sense.

JSNMGC

Yes, there is a growing number of people who have concluded the main purpose of armed government employees with arrest powers is to protect the government.

They are committed to ostracizing those employees who enforce never-ending firearm laws, mask mandates, restrictions on assembly, and who execute warrants related to red flag laws.

swmft

that is why my land is posted with signs that say trespassers will be shot and anyone police included will be shot no ask to come in polite yes or no meet your maker

Finnky

Once upon a time I heard that “Puff The Magic Dragon” was nickname for some specific type of helicopter gunship during Vietnam war. If that’s accurate (anyone know?) – then I’d say gun owners do need to be afraid of “Puff The Magic Dragon” for enforcers would not hesitate to use gunships to disarm us if they can be “just following orders.”

Stag

The aircraft you’re thinking of is the Douglass AC-47 Spooky. It was a fixed wing gunship used for ground attack and close air support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_AC-47_Spooky?wprov=sfla1

rgshel

the Air Force has platform called Spectre, a GunShip based on a C-130 with a 105mm howitzer sticking out the side an awesome piece of equipment to behold!

DDS

In the days of my youth, part of Miami International Airport was known as “Corrosion Corner.” A place where old obsolete airplanes went to be stripped of what could be sold and the hulk sold as scrap. https://corrosioncorner.wordpress.com/2016/08/20/what-is-corrosion-corner/ But not always. During the Vietnam War commuters along NW 36 Street got to see a contractor turn old tired WWII vintage C47’s into one of the VC’s worst nightmares: the above mentioned AC47 gunship. I spent one afternoon stuck in traffic watching the electrically operated doors roll open, the 3 GE 7.67mm “mini-guns” roll out, roll back in, and the doors… Read more »

Ope

Sounds like an aircraft boneyard. Used and old parts and esp.conversion pieces can be very expensive too.

swmft

they were bringing in stuff storing it at opa locka airport or the old tamiami which is now fiu big production c130s would go to nasty guard c47s that were well maintained by nasty guard came to florida for upgrades and some to have numbers removed for our good friends at air america

swmft

arrow air too mia was full of government front companies and the surrounding warehouse district front banks a hotel that was only for people who wernt in miami whole office complex that was government dea fbi atf customs department of revenue ,federal reserve it was wild

DonP

They don’t want to limit guns, they want to eliminate the public from having them. If not, then why are they not fully enforcing the laws we currently have on the books? Before they pass any more gun control laws they need to start enforcing the ones we already have such as fixing gaps in the database for background checks (which would have prevented at least two in the past few years) and prosecute those people who falsify the 4473… starting with Hunter Biden and the two guns he had.

CourageousLion

4473 forms are an infringement. 4473 forms REGISTER you as an owner of that firearm. Hunter Biden (how that name grates my mind) committed a victimless crime. No one was HARMED by his action. Though I’d like to see him at the pillory getting his back whipped into a bloody mess, I can’t say I’d be willing to be his punisher because of the fact he HARMED NO ONE with his false statement on that form. Why should anyone be denited a natural right because they are addicted to a “controlled substance”? Is that is reason enough to disallow the… Read more »

jack mac

CourageousLion, Form 4473, and all regulations and laws associated are unconstitutional and therefore should not exist or be enforced. Except these laws should only be enforced on those making these laws and their family. Let us see how Biden would deal with having a member of the prohibited person underclass in his immediate family.

Wild Bill

Well, you got off to a good start, but unconstitutional and unenforceable for one is unconstitutional and unenforceable for all.

WeWereWarned

Sir, you are being worse than the the leftist morons, since you are being their useful idiot, and supporting gun control on us Citizens. Check out Thomas Paine talking about guarding even your opposition from tyranny, since the government will use that tyranny on you. A man can legally say they are a woman on the 4473 form now, that means any lie is okay, and that form has no legal weight. That form is how conservatives turned our rights into a privilege out of fear. Conservatives like you are the real threat to us Constitutional Americans, you surrender our… Read more »

CourageousLion

“The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of men who wanted to be left alone. They try, so very hard, to mind their own business and provide for themselves and those they love. They resist every impulse to fight back, knowing the forced and permanent change of life that will come from it. They know, that the moment they fight back, their lives as they have lived them, are over. The moment the men who wanted to be left alone are forced to fight back, it is a form of suicide. They are literally killing off who… Read more »

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swmft

back to founding fathers

Rob J

The biggest problem is the numbers for DGU’s where anything short of pulling the trigger and remaining to file a police report are an estimate. A fact based, well documented statistical analysis that stands up to strict scrutiny, but still only an estimate. The estimated 1+ million DGU’s per year in the US is too easy for opponents to brush off as wishful thinking and unsubstantiated grandiose 2A support through a “Wild West mentality”. The media, politicians, and the general non-firearm owning public simply choose not to believe the truth of DGU’s… therefore we are the liars. And belief is… Read more »

WeWereWarned

In Western Montana, the cities are full of homeless drunks/junkies. The reservation dwellers are smart enough not to mess with Whites. The conservatives ship their mental defectives into the cities and then blame the liberals. The liberals then use them to expand their power, and that is how conservatives cops would harm us Citizens for being armed. It was a misdemeanor to be armed in the parks, which means I carried. The predators treated it like a numbers game since they didn’t have to fear death from the victims. I moved my family back to a safe Western state ,… Read more »

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swmft

good people with any kind of weapon save lives

JayWPB

Yes, and the Anti-Constitutionalists have no intention of stopping at firearms. They would have us all at their mercy. All Hail King Hillary!

swmft

they are killing good paying jobs and raising prices to point of going for broke