Senate ‘Outline’ on Gun Control, June 12, 2022

 

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U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)-– On June 12, 2022, a group of 10 Republican and 10 Democrat senators agreed on an “outline” on a proposed gun control bill.

Significantly, 10 Republicans are needed to overcome the filibuster in the Senate if all 50 Democrats join in passing a particular bill.

Few details have been seen about the “outline.” The details are critical.  Broad “outlines” are not legislation and have no force of law.

Senator Murphy of Connecticut appears to be the prime mover on this push. He is quoted by voanews.

He said the agreement would provide unspecified “major funding to help states pass and implement crisis intervention orders (red-flag laws) that will allow law enforcement to temporarily take dangerous weapons away from people who pose a danger to others or themselves.”

Murphy said there would be “billions in new funding for mental health and school safety, including money for the national build-out of community mental health clinics.” He said the legislation would “close the ‘boyfriend loophole,’ so that no domestic abuser — a spouse or a serious dating partner — can buy a gun if they are convicted of abuse against their partner.”

He said the legislation would include a prohibition against people buying guns for others and enhance background checks for gun buyers under 21. Both the Buffalo and Uvalde mass shootings were carried out by 18-year-olds.

In addition, Murphy said the law, if approved by Congress, would clarify “who needs to register as a licensed gun dealer, to make sure all truly commercial sellers are doing background checks.” 

Red-flag laws do not appear to produce measurable results. They can be very effective at undercutting fundamental Constitutional rights.  The wording used in this reporting, does not bode well:

will allow law enforcement to temporarily take dangerous weapons away from people 

Once taken, it can be complicated to regain possession of firearms from “law enforcement.” All weapons are “dangerous.” All people are potentially dangerous.

Temporarily often becomes indefinite, which often becomes permanent.

What is a “boyfriend loophole”?  It is not a legal term but rather Orwellian propaganda meant to deceive. There is no “boyfriend loophole” in federal law.

The term is meant as a way to expand the prohibited status of people who commit domestic violence to people who are in casual relationships. It is a way of expanding the list of people prohibited from exercising their Second Amendment rights.

Misdemeanors are inherently less serious than felonies. The details here are important and unspecified so far.

Prohibition against a person buying guns for others.

There is already a prohibition against people purchasing guns for others in federal law. Watch for this to be expanded so than no one is allowed to buy a firearm for anyone else. This may be a way to push for a ban on private sales.

Enhanced background checks for those under 21. Almost certainly unconstitutional, this appears to be a waiting period measure. Watch for this to be used as justification to ban private sales.

Clarification of who is a gun dealer.  This is a double edged sword. A clear definition of what constitutes “doing business” has been sought for decades. It seems unlikely a good definition can come from this administration. Watch for a definition where it is hard to obtain a Federal Firearms License, but easy to be prosecuted for not having one.

The Senators who signed on to this “outline” are, from the Epoch Times (Phone numbers have been added):

Republicans who signed on.

  • Linsey Graham, South Carolina 202-224-5972
  • Mitt Romney, Utah 202-224-5251
  • John Cornyn, Texas 202-224-2934
  • Thom Tillis, North Carolina 202-224-6342
  • Richard Burr, North Carolina 202-224-3154
  • Roy Blunt, Missouri  202-224-5721
  • Bill Cassidy, Louisiana 202-224-5824
  • Susan Collins, Maine 202-224-2523
  • Rob Portman, Ohio 202-224-3353
  • Pat Toomey, Pennsylvania 202-224-4254

The Democrats who signed on are:

  • Chris Murphy, Connecticut 202-224-4041
  • Richard Blumenthal, Connecticut 202-224-2823
  • Corey Booker, New Jersey 202-224-3224
  • Kyrsten Sinema, Arizona 202-224-4521
  • Mark Kelly, Arizona 202-224-2235
  • Chris Coons, Delaware 202-224-5042
  • Martin Heinrich, New Mexico 202-224-5521
  • Joe Manchin, West Virginia 202-224-3954
  • Debbie Stabenow, Michigan 202-224-4822

Senate Majority leader, Chuck Schumer, is pressing for a vote as soon as possible before people are able to understand what is in the bill.

Crises legislation is a hallmark of bad legislation.

It is legislation that cannot be passed when subjected to rational thought and debate.

Senators listen to input. It may not sway their vote, but it may make them less enthusiastic.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Vinnie

A clear definition of what constitutes “doing business” has been sought for decades.

Only as it applies to guns, because legislators are idiots. “Doing business” as it applies to being legally defined is well known in general business matters. It means that it is the primary source of income for a person. Let’s wuit trying to reinvent the wheel by pretending words mean something different or are indefinable just because they’re being used in the context of guns.

Chuck

Red Flag Legislation will be challenged and if the Court upholds their ruling as per their 9 – 0 rare unanimous declaration of Due Process Violations in Caniglia v. Strom, the ERPO’s will not be allowed to stand without Due Process protections. It’s so extremely rare to see a unanimous court decision like that, I’m not surprised there was very little Media coverage, but it really throws a kink in Murphy’s Wish List. It will be interesting in a way to see what they try to come up with to work around that decision, but the decision stands in the… Read more »

Russn8r

Dean, how many of these “Republicans” have A or A+ grades from NRA?

john

Dear friends here at ammoland our federal government has a lot of tools in their tool box. Food for thought the power grid is also in there control hence the push for all things electric. The political agenda today has many working parts the only part the government fears is a well armed public. A dirtbox is the common name for specific models of an IMSI catcher that are made by a Boeing subsidiary, Maryland-based Digital Receiver Technology — hence the name “DRT box.” They are reportedly used by the DEA and Marshals Service from airplanes to intercept data from… Read more »

john

Stingrays have been used on the ground and in the air by law enforcement for years but are highly controversial because they don’t just collect data from targeted phones; they collect data from any phone in the vicinity of a device. That data can be used to identify people.  They also can inject spying software onto specific phones or direct the browser of a phone to a website where malware can be loaded onto it. .Stingrays are routinely used to target suspects in drug and other criminal investigations, Stingray is the generic name for an electronic surveillance tool that simulates… Read more »

john

Republicans are now a endangered political party and are jumping aboard the global train to socialism. What is still not clear to me is how they do not see this train trip stops at destination “marxism” What is worse is that the American people have falling into the smartphone propaganda trap a machine of distorted facts and miss information with abilities that most know nothing about. Cell towers all are not equal Fake towers, known as “interceptors,” This NSA-style surveillance is spreading to local cops. A growing number of police departments are using tower-mimicking devices, “stingrays,” to track a cell… Read more »

hippybiker

“Crisis Intervention?” That sounds like something out of “Minority Report” by Phillip K.Dick

musicman44mag

Good work Dean, love the list and thank you.
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Roland T. Gunner

We need to close the “RINO Loophole”, so none of these assclowns is allowed to represent us in Congress.

Ope

Close it with a “RINO Noosehole”.

Montana454Casull

These clowns on either side of the aisle can pass what they want and then it will be challenged in court and most likely be found unconstitutional. But you idiots go for it and then it will be proven to be a waiste of time and taxpayers money after the courts reject your crap to make lawbiding citizens accountable for the action of a few criminals .

musicman44mag

We have been on this road before and it is not good. The reason why is because it goes into law and remains until the case is heard and then when it comes time to resend it you get people like Hitlary saying it’s been in place for so long, at this point what difference does it make and people buy it. The other problem is how long it takes to get to the supreme court. Kommiefornia has had a 10 round magazine law for years. A judge found it unconstitutional, people bought up the mags and within a week… Read more »

Cappy

Compromise to the libs always starts with half the cake. Then they want to negotiate for the other half. When the libs get done “negotiating” the supposedly conservative faction will be lucky if they can still smell the frosting. Negotiating away a Constitutional right (any of them) should always be a non-starter.

Rob J

Compromise means that both sides give something to achieve a settlement. Those who wish to infringe upon the rights of the people have absolutely no sacrifice to make, thus it is a demand, always under threat of arrest or at gunpoint.

Arkansas Rob

This is the sequel movie. Republicans were outmaneuvered again. “The framework wasn’t a bill, until it was.” Schmucker (sic) will hold a vote on the framework, which the ten turncoats will support. Then it’ll be declared a bill, with the details to be filled in by Demoncrat staffers in joint House and Senate reconciliation. The parliamentarian will determine that it was already passed as legislation. What is the outcome? 1. Gun Dealer will be defined as anyone who sells a gun. No FFL? Bad for them! 2. Buying a gun for someone else? You bought it 20 years ago, and… Read more »

Hazcat

Republicans were not outmaneuvered. Republicans tried to appease the press and the left, as always.

john

you are correct .

Bill

Republican establishment is just like a special variety of paddle cactus we have down here. It has no needles! It is spineless! We used to call it “Boehner Cactus”; now we call it “Republican Cactus”!

john

It was my understanding the US supreme court ruled red flag laws unconstitutional. The Supreme Court rightly protected the sanctity of the home on May 17th’s landmark decision. The First District court’s inadequately reasoned “caretaking exception” is an example of a ruse often used by the state when individual rights prevent it from getting what it wants.  This reaffirmation of both privacy and Second Amendment rights should give pause to advocates of red flag laws. Posing as defenders of public safety, red flag laws bypass the Second and Fourth Amendments while simultaneously abolishing due process If Caniglia v. Strom teaches us anything, it is… Read more »

DIYinSTL

My recollection is that Justice Thomas wrote in a dissent that he found Red Flag Laws to be troubling and a subject the court would have to deal with sooner rather than later.

Hazcat

McConnell has caved and you can bet that what comes out will be much worse that you think. Red flag should not be just a nonstarter it IS anti-constitutional (due process among other rights).

When will the ‘conservatives’ learn to fight these laws and learn what ‘compromise’ means? When the left wants to restrict the counter proposal should be ‘end the NFA, open the mg registry, delist silencers and short barrel rifles, and constitutional carry’ at a minimum and start the ‘compromise’ from there.

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Montana454Casull

Mitch’s constituents need to send that old basturd his walking papers and send him into retirement permanently. FMM RINO pile of shit !

Roland T. Gunner

Delist everything requiring a tax stamp.

Hazcat

I agree but I was thinking along the lines of using the lefts’ language and tactics. “It’s a good first step” or “Its only commonsense”.