Phoenix Brothers Sentenced to Prison for Dealing in Firearms Without a License

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PHOENIX, Ariz. –-(AmmoLand.com)- On July 8, 2022, Jay Derek Ramirez Ramirez, 21, of Phoenix, Arizona, was sentenced by United States District Judge Susan M. Brnovich to 12 months and one day in prison. His brother, Juan Ali Ramirez Ramirez, 23, also of Phoenix, was sentenced on June 22, 2022, to 36 months in prison by Judge Brnovich. Both brothers previously pleaded guilty to Dealing Firearms Without a License.

In July and August 2020, the Ramirez brothers bought and sold at least 40 firearms for profit. Included in those 40 firearms were AR-type rifles, shotguns, Glock handguns, a stolen firearm, and a Privately Made Firearm (ghost gun), as well as an inert grenade, suppressors, body armor, and high-capacity magazines. Some of the firearms the brothers purchased and resold have been connected to crimes in the valley or were found in the hands of prohibited possessors. The Ramirez brothers advertised firearms for sale on social media and sold them out of their family tire shop.

This case was prosecuted as part of the joint federal, state, and local Project Safe Neighborhoods (PSN) Program, the centerpiece of the Department of Justice’s violent crime reduction efforts. PSN is an evidence-based program proven to be effective at reducing violent crime. Through PSN, a broad spectrum of stakeholders work together to identify the most pressing violent crime problems in the community and develop comprehensive solutions to address them. As part of this strategy, PSN focuses enforcement efforts on the most violent offenders and partners with locally-based prevention and reentry programs for lasting reductions in crime.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Tobacco, assisted by the Phoenix Police Department, conducted the investigation in this case. Assistant U.S. Attorney Coleen Schoch, District of Arizona, Phoenix, handled the prosecution.

CASE NUMBER: CR-20-00512-SMB
RELEASE NUMBER: 2022-114_Ramirez Ramirez

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Phoenix Field Division


Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives

ATF is the federal law enforcement agency responsible for investigating violations of the federal firearms and explosives laws and regulations. More information about ATF and its programs can be found at www.atf.gov.

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john

Arizona is now a democratic run strong hold for their political ideologies The ATF is a disgrace as are most elected that have sold out our country. The police are not here to protect you. The other agencies of the federal government have been overrun by the deep state.The courts are bias in favor of the liberal left now the democrats are after the highest court in the land if they destroy that court and gain total control all will be lost.

Roland T. Gunner

I hate all federal agencies, but especially ATF, FBI and DOJ. They are worse than Illinois nazis.

Ope

ABOLISH ATF,RESCIND NFA !

JSNMGC

“ABOLISH ATF,RESCIND NFA !” ~ Ope/Will/TEX, et al.

What are you thoughts on the police who assist them? The BATFE can do very little without the support of state,county, and city/town enforcers.

From the article:

“The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Tobacco, assisted by the Phoenix Police Department, conducted the investigation in this case.”

HLB

The tax payer funded enforcement part of the government works together to achieve their ends.

Why can’t the other people work in armed squads of three, taking tactical positions around the enforcement guys?

HLB

JSNMGC

You won’t carry conspicuously in Boston, NYC, Newark, Bridgeport, Chicago, Los Angeles, or dozens of other places. You aren’t going to shoot federal agents for hassling a neighbor over firearm purchases because you will be killed. Why do you suggest people do things you won’t do? However, there is nothing illegal about ostracizing those enforcers who enforce unconscionable laws against their fellow countrymen and/or who intimidate them in other ways. When the bad enforcers come home everyday to a wailing spouse and have to hear about how no one will say “hello” to her at the grocery store and no one… Read more »

HLB

Oh yes, you don’t shoot federal agents for harassing people, but you can stand there and watch. If those federal agents draw and point a weapon at you, then that is a whole new ball game.

HLB

JSNMGC

Then what happens?

Wouldn’t it all be a lot easier if people just ostracized enforcers who enforced unconscionable laws or in other ways intimidated Constitution-abiding Americans?

You won’t do what you suggest and you aren’t doing what I suggest. You do nothing and hide behind the “bring plenty of bodybags” hot air.

Wild Bill

The time constraint that HLB is writing about is extremely short. The time constraint that ostracism would take is quite lengthy.

The subjects of HLB’s hypothetical would be extremely situation specific. Ostracism would be so general as to be over broad.

When the considered problem is diced up, there are really two dissimilar issues.

JSNMGC

Yes. That’s why I would avoid the situations that HLB recommends others get themselves into. If “people work in armed squads of three, taking tactical positions around the enforcement guys” as HLB recommends other do, they are getting shot by the enforcers that are present or the enforcers that will be called. I don’t want to see enforcers or “civilians” shot, I just want enforcers to not follow in the footsteps of the NKVD or the Allgemeine Schutzstaffel. Therefore, I avoid unnecessary lethal confrontation with enforcers and work on the more time-consuming plan of using social pressure to convince them… Read more »

Russn8r

Widespread ostracism & “defunding” of those who defecate on the oath would be effective, avoid the violence in the first place, possibly avoid a civil war. It’d take time to change the behavior of cops, prosecutors, judges, etc, and meanwhile these situations would still (decreasingly) occur, but why dismiss it?

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JSNMGC

I agree. The approach does require that more people objectively look at what has happened in other countries and what is happening in America.

People who agree with Hannity about how “99.9% of cops are good, honest people who go out there every day to protect us and they are heroes” are obstacles to a peaceful solution. They will cause the pressure to build until it does blow up.

Russn8r

Hannity is a clown.

JSNMGC

Did you know he is a marksman?

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Russn8r

Don’t care. He’s a clown.

JSNMGC

Did you know he trains in martial arts?

Did you know he used to be a regular person?

Russn8r

“Awaiting for approval” i.e. Inexplicably mindless algorithm.

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Russn8r

Hannity’s a shrill fast talking VichyCon. Can’t stand for 10 secs. Flip dial to Jesse Kelley, EIB etc.

JSNMGC

Did you know he used to hang drywall?

Russn8r

Yes, but I don’t hold that against him, since I did that and other manual labor to get through college before I became a defense think-tank consultant the last few years. Even the filthiest work = dignity, vs lazy scumbags who are “too proud to work.”

What I hold against him is he’s a shrill fast talking NeoCon parrot with an extremely annoying voice. Same for Mark Levin & Mark Levin Jr (Shapiro).

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JSNMGC

I was just making fun of Hannity.

All of those things I wrote are Hannityisms.

He can’t stop talking about himself and repeats those things I wrote constantly.

I have to watch the show periodically due to some of the people I meet with regarding politics.

Wild Bill

If the deadly force encounter is immediate, then the time for ostracism is long over.

Self defense concerns specifically identifiable persons. Ostracism paints with too broad a brush. Leading to injury of good LEOs, which, although unidentified, we all support.

JSNMGC

The encounters HLB is encouraging people to create can be avoided.

Ostracism does not paint with too broad a brush.

Russn8r

You repeat yourself, ignore what I wrote. As if I don’t know deadly force encounter is immediate. ~“Ostracism is too broad a brush. Injuring good LEOs”. Hardly. No one but your strawman wants to ostracize good LEOs. We honor them. Your prescription: Do nothing, honor bad LEOs, which perpetuates the number of bad LEOs, shoot them if need be, which can end up killing good LEOs via misunderstanding/error. You think or pretend that’s better than ostracizing them to gradually reduce attacks on innocents & the need to fight bad cops and ensure the Constitution is honored. The things are complementary,… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Respectfully, that is not my prescription.

Ope

Bill,I sure agree with you. I’m just really confused about that “respectfully” part. Are you serious ?

Russn8r

No one respects an ex(?)-cop who runs 20 sock accounts to upvote himself & downvote others, who TIGER TALKS about carrying everywhere as if he doesn’t have special ex(?)-cop carry privileges in TEXAS. Pathetic.

Wild Bill

Nothing wrong with perspicaciousness.

Russn8r

It’s clearly implied. Respectfully, if it’s not your position, you need to explain your position clearly, and stop falsely accusing us of wanting to ostracize all cops.

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Wild Bill

My analysis of his argument logic did not include any allegations.

Russn8r

Keep dancing. It’s obviously very important to you.

Wild Bill

I thought that you agreed to no personal attacks.

Russn8r

I did, and I honor it unless unjustly attacked and F’d with, as I said I would. Thought you were leaving to go day trade.

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Wild Bill

I put in a sell order that would have gained me a dollar per stock share on two thousand shares, magically the the bid price went down one penny and the trade did not go through before the close. Stock market magic.

Russn8r

Damn! Those bastards!

I hate trading. Index funds only, buy & hold. My training was economics/finance, read Malkiel’s “Random Walk Down Wall Street” decades ago, and it served me well. I rarely make an exception to buy individual stocks.

Wild Bill

I have zero stock market training, but I have increased the ranch’s rainy day fund from 30k to 142,000 more or less, in a year and a half. But it is all still at risk.

Wild Bill

I ordered Random Walk from Thrift books $4.39.

Wild Bill

Yeah, there is no exception for federal agents in the law of self defense.

Russn8r

Those who try it are likely to find a big difference & have decades in prison to think about that difference if they survive. Federales on the other hand technically have “qualified” immunity & practically have total immunity.

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Russn8r

Ex(?)-cop OpeTEX pretends to hate federales, yet his sock posse downvotes this.

Wild Bill

There is still no exception to the law of self defense for cops. If they initiate deadly force and you win, your defense is going to be the law of self defense.
If the cops win, their defense will be the doctrine of qualified immunity.

JSNMGC

I haven’t seen anyone argue that there is an exception. If someone is dead right, they are still dead. In those situations that lethal conflict with cops can be avoided, that seems to be a prudent course of action. HLB has been changing the circumstances. He had advocated for conspicuously carrying in places where cops will not tolerate it. When it was pointed out to him what happened to Mississippi Man, he changed his tune and said the guy should have brought back up with him while he traveled on commercial aircraft. For what purpose – to avoid the arrest?… Read more »

Wild Bill

If one is dead, one will not be on trial, and therefore not need the law of self defense.

JSNMGC

Exactly.

HLB

I don’t think your analysis of my methods and goals is completely correct. When I read what your write, I try to fit it in to place, but there is some structural interference.

HLB

JSNMGC

HLB, if you want to clarify your view you could answer these questions: Do you have views on where other people should carry? (as I indicated before, I don’t) Do you believe other people should check a firearm when they travel to Boston and strap it on when they get outside the terminal building? Do you believe those people should travel with a group of “back up” people? If a person is confronted by Boston police for taking a firearm & holster out of their luggage and attaching it to their belt (at curbside), do you suggest their “back up” group… Read more »

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Russn8r

Another strawman deflection.

Wild Bill

I’d like to stay and chat, but I have some stocks that are up in a down market that I’d like to capitalize on.

Russn8r

Uh huh.

Oldman

I think we all need to get back where we were a week ago where the name calling was at a minimum, don’t you?

Russn8r

That would be nice. But playing evasive strawman games and falsely accusing others of wanting to ostracize good cops is disrespectful, even if prefaced by “respectfully”. As is trolling with 20 sock puppet accounts, like OpeTEX.

Wild Bill

I have not been disrespectful nor trolling.

Russn8r

Uh huh. More strawman evasion. You know damn well I didn’t accuse you of trolling, that’s OpeTEX. I’ve made it clear how you’re being disrespectful.

Wild Bill

And I did not write that you did. I merely said that I had not … in case you may have been thinking that. Nor have I played any straw man evasion. What ever they might be.

Finnky

What about city police, like happened Sunday in Denver? Three cops opened fire on a crowd injuring five people. The were “in fear for their lives” though it’s unclear what spooked them.

Roland T. Gunner

Good ideas, as far as they go; but do not rule out overt, armed resistance. Make it so no one is willing to take the risk of taking their job. As far as those lefty regions you mentioned? Lets just go ahead and withdraw, and leave it to the enemy.

JSNMGC

A lot of people who fantasize about “civil war” or “revolutionary war” don’t really think about what it will be like. Also, a lot of people who talk about those things are too lazy to get involved in politics (many don’t even know who their state representative or senator are) or ostracism – if they are too lazy for that, they won’t be “ambushing convoys” or whatnot. It’s just a cover for their current sloth.  I’ve heard it over and over again from people who are unwilling to even attend a meeting or public debate between candidates. They always have an excuse for… Read more »

Russn8r

Who’s ruling it out? The two things are complementary, but ostracism gradually reduces the number of bad cops, the need for violence and the number of victims. Why would anyone oppose that except bad cops?

DunRanull

Good luck with that. It aint happenin.
See ya on the evening news…

Oldvet

SPEAKING OF THE EVENING NEWS…Has everyone seen the video of the wind turbine struck by lightening ? A while back I gave a description of a typical GE turbine. 212 ft to the top of turbine plus 116 ft long blade , 328 feet overall height . Makes a pretty good lightening rod wouldn’t you say . Blades are fiber glass . If you ever watched kids hair when they slide down one of those fiberglass slides , that’s static electricity . Fiberglass turning through air will do the same especially in an electrically charged atmosphere . Think about where… Read more »

Stag

Looks like the government thugs are bragging about armed robbery, aggravated kidnapping, and violation of rights again.

Russn8r

Thanks, TEX! No one here knew that until your genius comment !

Russn8r

OpeTEX deleted its post and RAN AWAY again.

HLB

License to sell… Guns, lemonade, whatever. Not the Government’s call.

HLB

Wild Bill

Interstate Commerce Clause.

HLB

Yes, that is what they claim. That is not what the interstate commerce clause is about at all though. We do not have accept their version of it, nor their version of the 2nd Amendment.

HLB

Nightowl490

FAFO……

MP71

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes

2gats

F atf and every one of their UNCONSTITUTIONAL JACK BOOTED agents and their families.

REQUIRE THEY PUBLISH THEIR HOME ADDRESSES AS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT

Arny

Were they LEGAL citizens ? Or imported ?

JayWPB

“Even a blind hog can find an acorn now and then, I guess.”

Dubi Loo

Fuck the AFT and Fuck Traitor Joe

JSNMGC

What about the Phoenix Police Department?

Russn8r

What are you, a cop hater?

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JSNMGC

Nah. I support all good LEOs – every single one.

Russn8r

That was one o’them, whadda they call ’em, you know, jokes.

JSNMGC

[I know, I was just rolling with it.]

Russn8r

COP HATER!

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Deplorable Bill

The gestapo and the stazi would be proud of the atfe. The atfe is a criminal organization made up of communist ideal believing sociopaths using anyone they can in an effort of job justification. What part of “shall not be infringed” do they not understand? Or is it they just don’t care? Maybe they would be happy in china or russia or north korea or Saudi Arabia or Nigeria or Afghanistan or similar places that espouse their same ideals? If they want to enforce communist ideals they should move there. The atfe daily disavows their oath of office to the… Read more »

JSNMGC

“Oaths” again. Do all the state, county, city/town enforcers who cooperate with the BATFE violate their “oaths?” From the article: “This case was prosecuted as part of the joint federal, state, and local Project Safe Neighborhoods (PSN) Program, the centerpiece of the Department of Justice’s violent crime reduction efforts. PSN is an evidence-based program proven to be effective at reducing violent crime. Through PSN, a broad spectrum of stakeholders work together to identify the most pressing violent crime problems in the community and develop comprehensive solutions to address them. As part of this strategy, PSN focuses enforcement efforts on the… Read more »

Deplorable Bill

Yes Sir, they do

Arm up and carry on

JSNMGC

That’s a lot of broken “oaths,” because we have tens of thousands of gun laws in this country.

There is a reason most people don’t carry on the Chicago L trains. They are, understandably, more concerned about their life being ruined (or ended) by an enforcer than they are of their life being ruined (or ended) by a violent criminal.

Deplorable Bill

True

Arm up and carry on

HLB

Through much intermingling with government for a long time, I have found that most of them are agreeable to violating their oath if it seems like a good idea at the time. There was the local supervisor, the local sheriff, the local federal facility agents (8 or so of them), the FAA people at Fort Bliss… I mean, I could go on for a long time across many states. Why should I think these are any different?

HLB

Roland T. Gunner

Fort Bliss? Ah, the fond memories… beautiful weather, anthrax vaccines and chartered 747s.