GLOCK 20 SF 10mm Bear Blaster – VIDEO Review

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- When venturing out into the backcountry you need to have some sort of firearm on you. A foot race with a bear is not my idea of enjoying the outdoors, and I prefer a more guaranteed method for survival. Fifteen rounds of 10mm Auto should deter bears and any other threat. For that reason, my firearm of choice for woodsy situations is the Glock 20 SF (Short Frame) pistol.

Glock 20 SF 10mm Auto Pistol

The Glock 20 SF is a full-size semi-automatic pistol, featuring a 15(+1) round capacity, and is chambered in the potent 10mm Auto cartridge. Both the power of the 10mm Auto cartridge and the carrying capacity of the Glock 20 SF make it an obvious choice of sidearm when in the woods. While some may argue the 10mm does not feature the “knockdown power” of a .357 magnum, evidence shows that it is still more than adequate for use against bears.

GLOCK 20 SF 10mm Auto
GLOCK 20 SF 10mm Auto

AmmoLand’s Dean Weingarten has reported eight incidents since 2002 where a 10mm Auto pistol was successfully used in defense against a bear attack. Five of those eight incidents reportedly involved some variation of a 10mm Glock pistol. Comparatively, there were nine reported incidents involving a .357 magnum: eight were successful, one result was not as lucky.

What you get with the Glock 20 SF is a modern handgun with a track record of success against North America’s most deadly predator, from a manufacturer known for the reliability of their firearms.

Due to Glock’s general popularity, the G20 SF also receives all the benefits of a very deep aftermarket for attachments, accessories, parts, and holsters. There are available base pads that can add five rounds to the factory magazines for a total capacity of 20 rounds of 10mm. Alternatively, you could grab yourself a few 30-round ETS magazines if that’s your preference, or go with a KRISS +18 round extension for a full onboard 33 rounds.

One notable mention is the availability of .40S&W caliber conversions which can be done by swapping out the factory 10mm barrel for the aftermarket 40cal barrel. While not much cheaper this does provide you with the flexibility of training with a slightly less expensive cartridge in the same platform.

On my own model, I decided to keep it simple by only adding a set of Trijicon night sights and a Streamlight TLR-1 HL weaponlight. Although the G20 SF is a full-size pistol, it is fairly lightweight even when fully loaded with the factory magazines. As someone who enjoys hiking, saving a few ounces on a polymer semi-auto is preferable to carrying a heavier wheel gun. The size of the pistol also lends it to be comfortable to carry. The majority of the time I’m hiking I carry the G20 SF in a Gunfighters Inc. Kenai chest holster.

Glock 20 SF in a Gunfighters Inc. Kenai chest holster.
Glock 20 SF in a Gunfighters Inc. Kenai chest holster.

If there is one drawback to the G20 SF, it would be the inability to mount an optic out of the box. Seeing that the pistol is an older model it is to be expected. If Glock decides to come out with an updated full-size 10mm (not including the G40 Gen4), I hope to see a MOS optic cut on the slide. The upside of the Glock 20 SF being an older model is that you can find it at very good prices today.

On the Range

During the course of a few range days, I put approximately 300 to 400 rounds of 10mm Auto through my Glock 20 SF. My G20 SF experienced no malfunctions throughout those trips to the range. The gun proved accurate for me out to 50 yards and I have no doubt that distance could be furthered. In my hand, the G20 SF is comfortable but could be more comfortable if it featured the Gen5 grips without finger grooves.

Recoil was never much of a challenge but it obviously has more of a kick than your granny’s 22. Although that recoil is noticeable, it isn’t impossible to control for a relatively fast follow-up shot. There is no insane, face-smashing muzzle flip to worry about so long as you have an appropriate stance, but I wasn’t able to come close to a “double-tap” sort of speed. On the other hand, I was able to achieve an accurate and well-paced cadence of fire on an IPSC steel target at 25 yards.

There were two features on the G20 SF that I noticed to be just a little bit small: the magazine release and the slide stop/lock. The magazine release is really inconsequential to me. However, someone with smaller hands might want to replace it with an aftermarket product to avoid having to twist your hand to reach it. The slide stop is similarly a little bit tough to use when the gun is locked back. Over the course of shooting the gun, I felt this problem presented itself less, and I was able to close the slide using my thumb. Either way, you can always rack the slide normally, so I do not see this as a real negative point either, but still worth a mention.

Reloading is obviously just as easy as all other Glocks; drop the old mag and insert the new. This is probably one of the most alluring arguments for the Glock 20 SF over a revolver. The old Fudd belief that if “you can’t do it with six” has definitely been largely left to the wayside. If there is a massive blood-thirsty beast rushing through the woods, I want all the ammo and opportunities that I can to survive.

GLOCK 20 SF 10mm Auto
GLOCK 20 SF 10mm Auto

In the end, my decision to go with a semi-automatic 10mm over a .44 magnum revolver really boils down to my personal comfort with Glocks specifically. Simply put, I have many more hours and rounds fired through semi-autos and various Glock models than I do with revolvers. From those hours and rounds fired, I have developed a trust in Glock’s reputed reliability, and the G20 SF has proven to live up to that expectation. If you are on your way to the backcountry, the Glock 20 SF is the ideal companion to bring along on the trail.


About Duncan Johnson:

Duncan is a firm believer in the Second Amendment and that “shall not be infringed”, which means exactly that. A life-long firearms enthusiast and a graduate of George Mason University, now competing regularly in 3 gun competitions, Duncan is always looking to improve his shooting skills. Duncan is a regular contributor to AmmoLand and assists in the everyday gun-news publishing as an assistant editor.AmmoLand Editor, Duncan Johnson about to go "full semi-auto" at Independent Studio Services

Product Review Rating

In his review, AmmoLand News’ Duncan Johnson said “I would give this product five (4) stars for consistent reliability, and for its capability to fill a specific need in the backcountry” How many stars would you give the Glock 20 SF Gen4?

4.1/5 (8 Reviews)
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StLPro2A

Went with the G40MOS, prefer the 6.02 bbl for maximum velocity insignificant longer draw IMHO, with Leupold Delta Point Pro, co-witnessed Tritium sights…….I shoot the 10MM more accurately/faster/confident than a 44Mag, get more initial rounds versus only 6 in revolver, plus faster reload via drop-free multiple backup magazines up to 33 capacity, consider a properly maintained Glock as “bet-your-life’ reliable as a S&W revolver. Out of battery via barrel contact, out of action is an accepted potential threat…..tap/rack drill practiced…..risk accepted. YMMV, but this is my life, my choice.

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Alan in NH

Why ‘not including the G40’ the long slide version? Maybe 2 ounces heavier but an extra inch of oomph. I put a red dot and an upgraded trigger on mine. Though I don’t spend time in bear country any more, way better than the Ruger Super Blackhawk I carried in Alaska.

Bill

There have been over 100 pistol defense against bears in articles here. I believe they were all successful except one. Even the 9 mm was successful. That doesn’t mean that I recommend a 9mm. Putting a bullet up tge snout will work! For bone breaking and good penetration , hard cast heavy for caliber bullets seem to be best!

Carry what you can control with the right bullets from Underwood, Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, or others that load a P+ bullet or at least the hard cast bullet!

swmft

i vote for the underwood penetraters make a mouse gun a lion

musicman44mag

I cronographed the underwood. 180 grn supposed to be 1,300fps and was closer to 1,180 out of five shots. I reloaded the Horady 180 XTP up to 14.5. I got close to 1,350 + with Accurate number 9 and WLP. CCI was 15 fps faster.

The underwood disappointed me because one of the cases split from the rim to the neck. My next shot is Buffalo Bore. I have that in 357 and out of five shots it chronoed right at spec with only 21fps deviation.

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swmft

you need to check what the tested from many times it is a 6 inch which is un realistic the 45 acp is tested from a 1911 the 44+p loads are hot and in a 10″ have found split them all

DonnyDucko

I love 10mm. I avoided it for years because I heard all this nonsense about recoil and how even the US Gestapo (you know the agency) gave up on it. Well I am here to tell you I prefer 10mm recoil to 9mm. 10 is more like a thump and 9 is more snappy. I will take a thump over snap any day. Easier to shoot IMO plus more stopping power? Yes please.

Duane

Handguns have proven to be 98 percent effective.

swmft

it is likely the handguns would be 100% effective if the people did not PANIC

alan93

in a computer simulation, if there was such a thing, I think the bear would win 40% of the time. I carried my .40 Taurus with 15 165gr fmj in WY while on vacation. I felt it would give me a chance but not invincible

Duane

Shot placement and penetration is the key.

The willingness and the capability to use your defensive firearm is far more important then what.

swmft

people do hesitate, they do the same in a firefight ,you have to be willing to kill. ….ahhhhh you shot bambi yummm

Montana454Casull

I picked up a Rock Island 1911 – 10 mm and I handload 200 grain Buffalo bore casts for it . I pack a Ruger stainless new model Blackhawk .44 Remington magnum for bear defence here in Montana. Not wanting to experience a fail to feed when a griz is in my face ! I feel a revolver is slightly more dependable for bear defence.

swmft

desert eagle 50 , have used it in a firefight in Columbian jungle ten 8 round mags never strayed from group again

Desert Rat

Another option is to convert a 1911 or a Glock 21 to .460 Rowland. Now you are throwing a 230gr 1300-1360fps for even more knockdown power. Lone Wolf makes (or used to) threaded .460 barrels for the Glock 21 and a compensator to reduce recoil. .44Mag power with quick magazine reloads.

Charlie Foxtrot

I wouldn’t use the term “knockdown power”, especially with handguns.

A hot 10mm 220 gr hardcast will be 1,200 fps. Will a larger caliber 230 gr .460 Rowland with 1360fps be that much different? As Paul Harrell says: “You will be the judge!”

Now, a .460 Rowland conversion requires a compensator.

BobS

I chose a pawnshop G21 with a Storm Lake 10mm conversion barrel and Wolff 21# recoil spring, for its better case support.

Your ammo choice should consider projectile design along with mass and muzzle velocity. The JHP you carry in the city for squishy bipedal assailants, isn’t much use in the mountains against furry fangy unfriendly armored quadrupeds. You need mass retention for bone penetration, not soft tissue expansion. That’s why Buffalo Bore and Underwood and others offer “hard cast” or “monometal” bullets over full-house powder loads.

Henry Bowman

The 10MM is roughly equivalent to the .41 magnum. Although Glock is a decent frame, there’s other brands that offer 10MM. One in particular has gone through a 20k round torture test with literally ZERO malfunctions. It also has a captured spring that mitigates the majority of felt recoil, too. I won’t mention the brand I have in mind because that would trigger (pun intended) all of the Glock fanboys. But I fully intend to get one in the next few months, and till then I’ll be taking my .40S&W with Underwood Extreme Penetrator ammo.

Charlie Foxtrot

Feel free to mention the brand!

By the way, Gen 4 Glocks do have captured recoil springs. Having said that, most people do not know that you need to replace the recoil spring every 5,000 rounds, or so.

Henry Bowman

First off, I see that the resident troll(s) are at it again with the downvotes on me. I guess I’m over the target LOL And for the other, I’ll go ahead & say it; Springfield Armory. Hopefullu I won’t catch hate for this. I like the better versions of the XD series: XDM and XDM Elite. They’re just as good and MAYBE possibly better. SA has been like a magician making their products durable and higher capacity. Before I met my fianceé, she bought a Hellcat for EDC, too (our taste in guns is serendipitous). My first SA was their… Read more »

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Charlie Foxtrot

I am not sure why you are making your post so much about Glock fanboys. Anyway, I think the three main complaints about Springfield are (1) they bought an American armory name to sell foreign-made guns, (2) their guns repeatedly fail in high round count classes and (3) the company supported a certain gun control legislation a few years ago. I personally do not trust “torture test” videos from any company. If you talk to firearms trainers in the US, they will tell you which guns they see fail in classes and why. I gather you do not actually own… Read more »

Henry Bowman

Well, see you’re doing the very thing that pisses me off. 1 When SA got started they DID make USA-made 1911’s and the M1A semiauto copy of the M14. These work fine and do NOT jam up or anything!! Just because they’ve partnered with a European company does not matter; other companies are 100% European and sell through a domestic distributor (thanks to GHW Bush infringing against foreign manufacturers). 2 There is nothing wrong with Euroguns, so don’t knock Springfield for partnering with HS Produkt. Glock, Euro. Sig, Euro. FN, Euro. Beretta, Euro. Tell me again how your eurogun is… Read more »

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Charlie Foxtrot

Seems to me you have a Springfield fanboy problem and can’t be objective. Your problem, not mine.

Use experience reports, not media stunts to make purchase decisions on guns.

Henry Bowman

No, I like many brands, and you’re being a troll, so how about you P!$$ 0FF

Charlie Foxtrot

I am not the one who doesn’t have a 10mm pistol and just came here to instigate some sort of manufacturer “discussion”.

We get it, you like Springfield Armory. Do you have anything else to contribute?

Henry Bowman

Yes, please feel free to go fornicate yourself, troll. Having a nice conversation with the likes of you is impossible, especially when you’re using sockpuppets to pump yourself up and DV me just as many times. Russ was right about you.

Charlie Foxtrot

The only one using foul language here is you. I didn’t know that you consider that “having a nice conversation”. Duly noted!

I was having a conversation with you, until you disagreed with me, and just lost it.

I am nut sure who you think I am with your “sockpuppets” accusation. I have no idea what you are talking about in your reference to “Russ”.

Henry Bowman

What??
All I can hear is bzzzzz, bzz bzzz….

Charlie Foxtrot

I thought so. Thank you for confirming.

Henry Bowman

Shut up, troll. It’s bedtime; have a cookie and go to bed!

swmft

why not a 44 magnum or 454 for bears

Henry Bowman

Because 10MM is for semiauto, and has the advantage of pistol capacity. It’s a proven fact that multiple well-placed shots always gets the job done. I’d not stop shooting till the beast is immobile.
That being said, I’d be curious to try 454 and see how that shoots!
Works wonders on two-legged predators too. If these predators have kevlar hides, then I’d transition to my AR.

swmft

desert eagle in 50 ae with underwood +p+penetrators

musicman44mag

I am looking at the same pistol and it would be my first 10mm gun. I like the idea of Springfield because it comes with three different sizes of backstraps that no one else offers. Small hands make a difference on grip especially with a powerful round such as this. You probably know it but just in case you don’t buy it before Aug 31 and you can get 3 extra mags and a range bag for free if you go to the site, fill out the form and submit a copy of the receipt. They said they will except… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

FYI: The Glock 20 Gen 4 comes with “three different sizes of backstraps”. It also comes with 3 magazines from the factory.

musicman44mag

Thanks for that info. I really don’t like Glock because they always feel like a 2×4 in my hand but I do respect the name and reputation. Before I buy I will feel both of them in my hands. Thanks for the information.

musicman44mag

Ok, I just looked up the Glock 20 and some other information on it. I have a Hellcat for me and a Hellcat OSP for the wife. Seems that no one is making a night site for the rear of the OSP and Springfield doesn’t know if they will ever have them. The Glock 20 has night sites available in Mepro, Truglo and Trijicon. That and the fact that there are more aftermarket parts for Glock than any other brand that I have seen makes Glock the better contender. Thanks again for that info. I may very well become a… Read more »

Henry Bowman

I believe Hi-Viz makes several sights for various Springfields.

musicman44mag

Thanks for the suggestion. Just checked them and they don’t have anything for the Hellcat with OSP.

I won’t have to wait for half a year to get night sites for my G20 because everybody makes everything for Glock. Another reason I bought the Glock.

musicman44mag

Just got back from the gun store. I watched the video’s on what it takes to tear a Glock completely down and the XDM elite. I just bought the Glock because it is more user friendly and has a heck of a reputation. Its big in my hand but I need to change the back strap to the smallest one. No problem. Can you tell me what round it is that you want to have for bear? I read that HP is not it and I want to order the proper projectile to build. Thank you again for your time… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

Well, congrats.

I just use the Underwood 180gr FN-FMJ in the woods for bear defense.

musicman44mag

Ok, I found some of that today for sale on the net. I am getting ready to order a few boxes and some 10mm cases. I have everything else.

musicman44mag

Found out last night that the extra grips that come with it only make the handle bigger and the smallest feature is how it is presented from the factory unlike the XDM which usually has the #2 grip on it for medium size.
Oh well, I still wont have to wait a half year for aftermarket night sites and it is a tool not for shooting pleasure. 16 rounds if I even have to shoot that much are not going to kill me. The G20 is a big gun though.

gcm

You might already know this, but now that your a Glock owner if you ever need anything for it, look up the Glock store, owned by Lenny Magill, used to be in Cali but the laws got to strict for him, so he moved his whole operation to Tenn. Had his own facility built there a couple years ago, and he sells so many Glocks he can give reasonable deals on them. If you buy from him and want extra custom parts on it, they will do that before it ships to your FFL dealer. I bought a lot of… Read more »

musicman44mag

Good to hear about the great service and warranty. I bought a G20 last night. It is a little big for my hand but it’s a tool not a pleasure fun gun so I don’t mind. I got tired of not having night sites for my Hellcat for months and now it seems that Springfield seems to be low on everyones list for priority when it comes to parts manufacturing. The Glock has so many different possibilities availible that I said to heck with it and bought one. Complete tear down is less complicated and quicker with a Glock which… Read more »

gcm

Anytime, and best of luck with your new Glock, bet that thing has some horse power in 10mm, i would get one but a pretty expensive piece for making holes in paper, but i am looking for a 1911 in 45acp to add to my collection since i sold off most of my Glocks, but still have enough for edc, and home protection, but always wanted a 1911.

musicman44mag

I love 1911 but that is not enough fire power for todays gang bangers. That is the only reason I don’t carry one.

gcm

I understand, i still have mine with the 17rnd mags, several of them (saves range time instead of loading) but what i wanted to tell you was, i had the Glock 21 45acp, but when i went to the gun shop i was looking for the Glock model in 45acp that looked like the model 34 in 9mm with the compensator cut on the slide, but like an idiot, i let the guy talk me out of it and get the 21. the 45acp with the compensated slide i believe had a little longer barrel, but without looking it up… Read more »

musicman44mag

My certified Colt armorer told me to get a Glock 19 3rd gen because he trusted them at work and at play and said they were easy to repair and the cheapest to repair and multiple parts companies abound. Sorry your gun deal didn’t work out. I really like to have shooting ranges where you can rent pistols and try them out first but we don’t have one around here. I saw the muzzle flip with a few shooters on youtube and it was not that bad. Read a couple articles where they said it took just a little bit… Read more »

Arny

I thought Glock 21 holds 13 +1 or 10+1. Where do you get the 16 rd mags ? Are you sure you’re not referring to the Glock 22 in 40 cal ? You can purchase aftermarket that have a different capacity such as 30 rds for the 21. But I have not found any 16. I would like a few though.

Monkey Mouse

I just picked one up earlier this week – can’t wait to hit the range. 10mm ammo is harder to get than 9mm or 40, but about as hard as 357 these days.

Charlie Foxtrot

Make sure you get actual 10mm ammo that is loaded to full power 10mm spec. There is a lot of 10mm ammo out there that is loaded to warm .40 spec. A 180 grain round should have 1,250-1,300 fps.

musicman44mag

I was looking at my Hornady manual to see just how much more powerful the 10 is over my 40. I found a max velocity of 1,250 with three different powders. Blue Dot, Accurate #5 and 9 with the Hornady 180 grain. I have shot many brands of pistol ammo and chrono graphed them. The hottest and most consistent I could find was Buffalo Bore in 357 mag. I trust them to be hot. I have also started looking to see if the package says the speed of the projectile on the package when purchasing defense ammo. You are right,… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

Underwood ammo is loaded hot too. I got 1,221 fps with 200 gr Underwood JHP and 1,290 fps with 180 gr Underwood FN-FMJ, both out of my Glock 20.

In comparison, 180 gr LAX Ammo FN-FMJ is 1,068 fps and 180 gr Hornady Custom JHP is 1167 fps.

musicman44mag

Believe it or not I have never heard of that brand or seen it on the store shelves. I will look for it and buy a box and see what I get out of it while I can still get it on the internet.

Thank you.

Charlie Foxtrot

Only very few stores carry it. https://www.underwoodammo.com

musicman44mag

Oh, wow. The first thing they showed was plus P 9mm and further down I saw projectiles that look like they screw into the target. I’m sure that would hurt like hell.

musicman44mag

Oh, I forgot to add. One of the cases of the Underwood split. Split case and low power make me think that I have a bad or an old batch.

musicman44mag

Not sure if you will see this. I chrono graphed the Underwood 180 grn that is supposed to be 1,300 fps. I came up with 1,180 out of five shots. I then shot my reloads and when I hit 14.5 grn I was running close to 1400 fps. using Accurate #9. The difference in Winchester LP and CCI LP was 15 fps faster with CCI. I have chosen to go with 14.0 right at about 1,280 to 1,320 and I don’t care which primer I use. All shot placement with all loads were within a three-inch circle at 21 feet.… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot

Note that during times of ammo shortages, ammo manufacturers have to take what they can get on the market. This may lead to differences in loadings and performance. Here are some numbers that were collected by a wide variety of people over the years: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gex6ItGeWQunVZR9B14mseacyEGoreRRrBEXZavfciM/edit#gid=7 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ep9Oj0HMbljjuKSg549itlcjKojFEu6cgwajT7XcuNw/edit#gid=0 The numbers I posted above were measured by me. I never had a case split, although there are people on the Internet talking about the lack of chamber support and using different barrels. Again, this may be a supply issue. I did play around with heavier springs and they do change things. However, I… Read more »

musicman44mag

Thank you for the links and info. I just bought some CCI that is supposed to be 1,200 fps that I will chrono later in the week. I wonder if it will be slow like the Underwood or not. It seems strange to me that my numbers are so much lower but when I shot it was 58 degrees. I know temps can have allot to do with the speed especially depending on the powder.

Duane

Charlie I would agree.

Modifying a Glock as you said is unnecessary. Training and practice solves both.

Having shot 1911’s for over 5 decades and Glocks for only around 3 old habits are hard to over come.

That is why ones first training is so important. Just as it hard to over come bad habits. It is just as hard to forget good ones.

Train right the first time.

Charlie Foxtrot

“The magazine release is really inconsequential to me. However, someone with smaller hands might want to replace it with an aftermarket product to avoid having to twist your hand to reach it.” The whole purpose of needing to twist your hand to actuate the magazine release is so that you do not accidentally do it while shooting. An enlarged magazine release will just make that happen for you and you will see magazines flying out of the gun while shooting. “The slide stop is similarly a little bit tough to use when the gun is locked back.” Well, it is… Read more »

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musicman44mag

Excellent advice. I have to use my off hand to press the button to get the mag to drop which costs an extra second I might not have in a situation.

Duane

Having shot bears with handguns. I am impressed with what a 315gr hard cast WFN 44 at about 1300fps bullet does to them.

The 10mm has proven to work along with others.

When it comes to handgun calibers used far more bears have been shot with the 44mag.

If you have read Deans stuff even mentioning the “357 failure” you would realize it was operator error not caliber.

Same with the other two “failures”.

The 10mm is what it is better or worse not really it is what it is.

Finnky

Operator error may depend at least partly on platform used. DA revolver typically is going to have a longer and heavier trigger pull than any glock, making semiauto possibly more forgiving of undertrained user. Ditto on 6 rounds vs 15 (plus reloads) – semi allows pretty rapid fire, together with higher capacity may allow better chance to follow up misses with some hits.

Boils down to user competence, and some luck. Stack the odds by being familiar with whatever you choose to carry and practice until you cannot do it wrong.

Oldman

AS ALWAYS, it is important to have a lot of practice and dry firing experience to make your sidearm like an extension of your hand. Muscle memory is the luck that might save you when you have an adrenaline dump. For those of you who have never had one, you will have no idea of what I am talking about. For those of you that have had one, YOU know what I mean.

3l120

Co for 23 years, 15 with a Model 15, then a Smith 5904. I ever developed the speed, accuracy and fluidity of motion with the auto. Long retired, I carry a Model 19, 4 inch when in the local woods. Fits my hand and hits what I aim at. No auto will do that for me.

swmft

funny I feal more solid with 1911 or in the woods desert eagle in 440 or 50ae

musicman44mag

I wish my hands were big enough to handle that heavy eagle. Nice piece of equipment.

musicman44mag

It’s the first time you are deer hunting and you see that buck you have been wanting to put on the dinner table. Been there, done that. Heart was pumping so hard, breathing sporadic I could not take the shot because of the distance and the shaking from the adrenaline rush when I was 16 years old. I learned from that. The second chance I knew what would happen so I concentrated on my breathing and carefully and slowly moved to a better position and seconds later was rushing to get closer to my kill because people will tag your… Read more »

Oldman

My first deer was easy. It jumped up about fifty yards away, saw me and bolted so I snap shot it with a REmington 30-06 semi auto. Went in through the brisket and out the center of the chest and destroyed the heart. My first real adrenaline dump was while in a bar in 1970, when a black guy I had run off because he was bothering the wife, returned with a buddy and a gun, pulled the gun on me and yelled BANG! Luckily my brother in law was with and he loved to fight so I was able… Read more »

Wild Bill

My first one woke me up as it walked under my tree close up on my right. I had to change to lefty. That was the most exciting experience I ever had until BCT.

musicman44mag

What an idiot. First for trying to pick up on your wife and second for coming back and bringing in a gun that was not loaded. He is lucky that someone else in the bar didn’t have a gun because they could have shot him for you defending your life. Moron.

Oldman

It is illegal to have a firearm on you when you are in a watering hole in WA. Obviously, it isn’t too bad a deal to CC if nothing happens. The owner and bartender that night was a close buddy and always kept a gun behind the bar, a .38 S, I believe. The fight occurred out in the street in front of the bar because we saw the ‘MOron coming. He only owned the bar for a year because it was in the Capital Hill area in Seattle. He understood even back then why he was able to buy… Read more »

Ope

In TEXAS you can’t carry in any establishment where 51% or more of their profits come from the sale of booze.

Russn8r

Same NRA-approved “gun free” alcohol zone crap that got 49 killed in an Orlando nightclub. Abbott & Phelan protect “gun free” zones & do nothing to ban them.

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musicman44mag

Same in Oregon but it is up to the owner to provide the figures. If there is a restaurant and bar and you are in the restaurant no problem. I guess you can’t get as drunk in the restaurant part then you can in the bar. Somehow the drinks must be more potent. LOL

musicman44mag

Read OPE below and my response. It’s crazy. Here in Orgone you cannot have a gun at the racetrack but you can in the bar. In WA you cant in the bar but you can at the racetrack. Go figure.

I can only guess that our drinks are weaker than yours and your car exhaust is not as potent as our race cars have.

That’s about the only way I can make stupid sense of it all.

swmft

ammo choice is a big deal loads that are perfect for urban self defense are not so good with big game

musicman44mag

I have never shot a bear and only seen them 5 or 6 times in the woods. Thanks for saying that self defense rounds are not for big game. I would have made the mistake of carrying the wrong stuff, in fact, that is all I have carried all my life when in the woods.

Can you give a brand and type of projectile name like soft point, wad cutter, etc?

swmft

sometimes it is ammo choice hollow points are a nono on large game