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300 aac blackout vs 223

300 aac blackout vs 223

Defense Training International, Inc

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Ft Collins, CO --(Ammoland.com)- I talked today with a friend who works in nuclear security at a major installation.

He is proposing to his superiors converting all existing ARs, currently chambered in 5.56×45 (223), to 7.62×35 (300 Blk) caliber.

It will involve swapping barrels only. Existing magazines will all work, as will existing bolts and bolt-carriers. The entire project can be accomplished quickly, and at modest cost, when compared with buying new rifles.

Selling points are significantly increased range and penetration. They’ll be using a new, 112gr copper/tungsten bullet, designed to easily penetrate car doors, car glass, cinder block, and most body armor, even that which is currently “rifle-rated!”

Penetration is efficacious, out to 300m!

Naturally, there is some institutional push-back from those up the food-chain who need additional convincing, but advantages over conventional 223 ammunition are so significant that I predict this “trend” (if that is the right word) will prove unstoppable!

This is all what the 6.8mmSPC was supposed to do, and probably would have! But, for whatever reasons, the 6.8mm never gained traction. The 6.8 currently has a small following in the civilian shooting community, but major institutional buyers, like the Pentagon and other big, federal consumers, never displayed much more than casual interest.

And, the 7.62×51 (308) still has a substantial following within the active services, and many secretly long for the return of the M14 in general-issue. However, that is not in the cards! The 308 will not make a major ” comeback,” absent an epochal philosophical shift at the highest levels. Right now, that is extremely unlikely!

By contrast, the 7.62×35 is rapidly “catching-on!

Currently, I don’t have a rifle chambered for it, but I will soon!

/John

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  • 17 User comments to “300 AAC Blackout 7.62×35 – Rifle Caliber Trends”

    1. I’ve shot .300BLK both super sonic and subsonic loads, it is accurate to very effective distances especially in defensive carbine type rifles (400m) and can be very effective SBR’d. The round has a lot of potential and can be cost effective using already available components with minor modification to produce loads. My accuracy our of a 18″ SS Wilson Combat barreled AR was about 3/4″ at 108 yards with Horandy 110gr. Shots were taken prone off a Grip-Pod systems forward grip bi-pod and with an inexpensive 7x scope.

      300BLK performs

    2. I converted to it over a year ago. I handload it and have a SBR chambered in it.

    3. Bullshit. this crap is still not better than the 7.62×51 or the 7.62×39. its just another hip “Ar15 trend”, just like the 6.8 was.

    4. I shoot an AR 7.62×39. I can have inexpensive fun at the range at .22 cents a round and I can harvest deer with soft points at .30 cents a round.
      That’s my reason for not having built a 300AAC upper.

    5. The blackout is a great subsonic round, but in full power it is just as mediocre as 7.62×39. The 5.56 is waaay more effective at one shot instant kills with 55gr on deer than the ho-hum ak round will ever be. Far more accurate too. I have killed conservitively 40 some deer with. 223/5.56 over the years and all have gone down on the spot. No running to punmp meat with adrenilan, just instant kills.
      Love my blackout/ whisper for subsonic shots with 220gr. tho!

    6. I have taken 2 whitetails with the 300 BLK, each at 200 yds broadside shots. One was taken with Barnes 110 gr TAC bullets, the other with 130 gr. barnes loaded in Remington Hog Hammers. Each time the bullet passed through and each deer recovered less than 100 yds from where shot. The 300BLK is no giant killer, but a whitetail is no giant.

    7. The Blackout is a ho-hum alternative to the 5.56. It has more frontal area, and therefore more presumed stopping power, but it offers less muzzle energy than the 5.56. In almost all areas (energy, trajectory, accuracy) it suffers in comparison to the 5.56. In fact, it has considerably less power than the 7.62×39. Just arm yourselves with AK-47s!
      Those who claim superior accuracy should explain why Savage, for quite some time, has refused to manufacture a .300 AAC, claiming they couldn’t get sufficient accuracy out of it.
      In all, I agree with the commenter who says it’s like the 6.8 SPC – just another overhyped
      alternative.

    8. Depends on the definition of “accuracy”, doesn’t it? I bought a S&W upper to “play with”, not expecting too much. I changed my mind very quickly.
      Given the current shortage of components I’ve had to “make due” with what I could find. Granted, I’ve handloaded for almost 40 years but the 300 AAC was the easiest round I’ve ever worked with to find “a good load”. My definition was “cycle the action” and less than 1 MOA. With only a few exceptions, all sonic loads meet that standard. Sub-sonic, without a “can”, are a different matter and I suspect that was where Savage was concentrating their efforts.

    9. I’m not claiming the 300 Blackout is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but let’s be honest: it does offer advantages over 5.56x45mm. The statement that it offers less muzzle energy than 5.56x45mm is just plain wrong; from equal barrel lengths, comparing 110gr TAC-TX to 5.56x45mm 62gr M855 Ball (the standard military round), 300 BLK offers about 6% more muzzle energy, about 37% more muzzle momentum. Earth-shattering advantage? No. But an advantage in energy and momentum. And there are two other advantages: proportionally much less energy loss from a short barrel, and very effective subsonic loads (up to 240gr bullet). I have an AAC MPW (9″ barreled SBR) chambered for 300 BLK. It is great with either Barnes 110gr TAC-TX (my primary defensive load) with suppressed or unsuppressed, and with 240gr subsonic through the AAC 762-SDN6 suppressor (very quiet).

    10. “The Blackout is a ho-hum alternative to the 5.56. It has more frontal area, and therefore more presumed stopping power, but it offers less muzzle energy than the 5.56.”

      Um, no. 300 BLK has as much energy from a 16 inch barrel as 5.56mm does from a 24 inch barrel.

      “Those who claim superior accuracy should explain why Savage, for quite some time, has refused to manufacture a .300 AAC, claiming they couldn’t get sufficient accuracy out of it.”

      Savage is the company who made my 10FP rifle that I had to re-thread because the bore had way too much runout. Clearly they were making excuses for why they couldn’t make the rifle work well.

    11. I love the .223 cartridge! I’m not a big fan of the .300 BLK, but again I don’t know to much about it. This article has opened my eyes on some of the advantages it has, but I’m not sure it’s the advantages I need. I would like to see something like the .243 in an AR type rifle. It’s an excellent round and very flat shooting. I’m not sure about the .243 round fitting the AR magazines, because I don’t know the measurements. If they could fit in the AR mags, I would try to buy one today. Right now the .243 cartridge is scarce with this scare the obama administration is causing on ammo, but the .243 seems like an excellent round with it’s bullet weights and velocities. I’m not much on wildcat rounds, and don’t understand anything about their development. I just know my son and grandsons use .243′s, and it seems to be a great all around cartridge on every thing from deer to prairie dogs, with it’s flat shooting and extremely good accuracy. Again, I would love to have an AR in .243! But don’t listen to me, I’m just the 800 pound gorilla in the room!

    12. what is this crap sould have looked at porno

    13. CPT of the Militia on February 10, 2014 at 2:54 PM said:

      Sorry to say, the market forces are against you. Ammo is both way too expensive and hard to come by; plus buying the hardware ( either complete rifle or barrel, handguard, gastube, sights) is out of reach for many civvie shooters, and what with fed/local budgets on the shrink; so too, big budget PD/ Sheriff or multi million dollar army purchases ( SF went to 6.8 then stalled)… so it’s not going to happen except at the sharpshooter/ collector/ hand loader levels… which is where 6.8 finished up at. Add to this mix shooter confusion on just what pieces do need to be swapped out; and too, that .300 aac blackout conflicts with .300 whisper… ouch my wallet and my sensible military style efficiencies… oh, and one more coffin nail; don’t even get started on sub-sonic ammo and using suppressors… again, way to expensive, too scarce, and add another $200 bucks to the total outlay… ( plus up to 6 mo for the stamp form to come back!). Sorry Charlie, you know nothing John Blackout!

    14. Benjandpurge on March 17, 2014 at 9:51 AM said:

      “CPT of the Militia”
      Ha, man, you are literally off the mark on everything you just said. The only things you got right was that tax stamps cost $200 and that ammo is hard to come by. The facts are that when building a 300BLK AR, you only need to change the barrel, which isn’t out of reach of anybody. The 300 AAC BLK is a reloader’s dream. Anyone else need not apply, stick to your .223 Rem. The rounds are assembled from non-exotic components, and that’s a major advantage. 30 caliber is the most versatile stuff out there for so many uses. It all comes down to the fact that It only appeals to smart shooters who can actually see and take make full use of the advantages of the round. Everyone else, stick to your .22.

    15. Kneauxla on March 26, 2014 at 10:51 AM said:

      If I’m not mistaken the 300 AAC BLK and the 300 Whisper are one in the same. I don’t know how the 300 BLK compares to the 6.8 SPC but I do know from what I have read (reliable sources) that both the 6.8 and 300 shoot flatter and have more knockdown power at greater ranges than the 5.56 which isn’t saying much. I have a friend that swears by the Remington AR he shoots in the .30 caliber Remington load. It only stands to reason as you’re likely comparing sub 60 grain bullets to 100 grain plus bullets even with differences in muzzle velocities of minus 400+ fps for the .300 and 6.8. As far as the guy that says he has shot and killed conservatively speaking 40+ deer with the 5.56/.223 and dropped them on the spot I’m very skeptical. He must be talking tiny deer. Most likely does that dress out below 100 lbs. He must have used head shots on every single one and even then I’m skeptical. No way you’re going to “plant” a deer of any size every time with a heart/lung shot from a .22 caliber 50-75 grain bullet even at close range. Even with superior hunting bullets like a Barnes X, Nosler Partitions or Ballistic Tips, Remington Core-Lokt, Sierra Game Kings, Swift A-Frames, Winchester Accubonds, Federal Vital-Shok, etc, etc. that deer is going to run before bleeding out. Using a 5.56/.223 round for deer is asking for trouble. It’s more than highly likely that you’re going to wound/maim a deer that won’t die right off that you’ll never find and that will suffer greatly while your freezer remains empty. My personal fav is the .300 Winchester Mag. After many years of shooting a 30/06 I switched years ago to the .300 and have never looked back. Not only does it take care of deer swiftly and humanely it does a hell of a number on feral hogs which have become a huge problem in my neck of the woods. While I’ll admit that shot placement wasn’t ideal I once witnessed a huge 200+ lb. sow absorb 13 rounds of 5.56/.223 before going down for good.

    16. Good Ol Dave on May 18, 2014 at 5:22 PM said:

      I am a big fan of the 5.56. The cartridge has been adopted by armies all over the world for reasons that have nothing to do with “keeping up with the Jones”. Problem is, the cartridge was originally designed for full length rifles; being shot out of carbine length rifles, the bullet exits before the powder is completely burned so the bullet is not travelling in the extra high velocity it needs to fragment and tumble in the way it was meant to. It’s still at a high velocity but it’s pretty much going to just drill a hole right through whatever it hits, so the shortcomings of the 5.56 isn’t with the cartridge; it’s comign from everyome migrating to the carbine length barrel. The .300 BLK OTOH was specifially designed for carbine length barrels so it regains all the power lost from migrating to the carbine length barrel. This is why I have a rifle length upper in 5.56 and a carbine length upper in .300 BLK. The best of all worlds.

    17. Kneauxla, I’m not going to say 40+, but my Ranch rifle has accounted for more than 10 blacktails in the neighborhood of 150-200 pounds. Not one of them went anywhere but down. Every shot was in the heart so bullet placement has a lot to do with that, but if you can’t hit what you’re aiming at, maybe you should pass and wait for a better shot. I have a .300 Win Mag for larger game, like elk, but again, it comes down to putting the bullet where it does the most good, or you’ll be tracking it too.
      More important by far than the round you use is your ability to put it where it needs to go. BTW, I shot a running boar at 150 yards already amped on adrenaline and he went 20′ and dressed at 235#

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