The Firearm Rack – Honor Guard Pistol Not Drop Safe?

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- If you own or carry an Honor Guard pistol from Honor Defense, it might be time to rotate it back into your gun safe.  Patrick R. over at the Firearm Rack has done the shooting community a huge service by bringing to light the drop fire issues that the Honor Guard is susceptible too.

Honor Defense's Honor Guard pistol is a single stack 9mm handgun, that is based on Sig Sauer's P320.

The most striking similarity between Sig's P320 and the Honor Guard is that they will both fire if dropped on a negative 30-degree angle. Impact to the back of the gun will cause the striker to hit the primer and ignite the cartridge. Unfortunately, that is where the similarities seem to end.

Where Sig has taken the route of getting out in front of the issue by offering voluntary upgrades to P320s, Honor Defense has yet to comment on the safety issues in their pistols.

Quick history: after reviewing the Honor Guard for another website, Patrick R. discovered the drop fire issue and contacted Honor Defense. The long and short is Honor Defense told Patrick he was, “looking for ways to make the gun fail.”  Taking that information Patrick decided to conduct a scientific test that is accepted throughout the firearms industry and is practiced by law enforcement agencies, such as the Indiana State Police Forensic Firearms Identification Unit.  This is the test he settled on:

As part of this method, an examiner should perform an “Impact” test on the firearm utilizing a primed cartridge case. An “Impact” test should consist of the of the following steps:

  • 6.8.2.1. Ensure that the firearm is unloaded.
  • 6.8.2.2. Load a primed cartridge case into the chamber of the firearm.
  • 6.8.2.3. Holding the muzzle away, strike the firearm forcibly with a rubber mallet on the top, bottom, right side, left side, back of the firearm.
  • 6.8.2.4. The examiner should strike these areas a minimum of ten (10) times per side.
  • 6.8.2.5. The examiner should repeat these strikes while the firearm is in various operating stages i.e.; single-action, double action, safety on, safety off, and any other possible combinations as such.

Disclaimer: Do not try this at home.

In order to test the drop fire issue beyond simply dropping the gun from 4ft – 6ft in the air, Patrick submitted the Honor Guard to the “Impact Test”.  The Honor Guard failed both tests, repeatedly.

Honor Guard was made aware of the testing results but to the best of our knowledge have yet to address the issue.


About Duncan Johnson:Duncan Johnson

Duncan is a firm believer in the Second Amendment and that “shall not be infringed”, means exactly that.  A life-long firearms enthusiast and a graduate of George Mason University, now competing regularly in 3 gun competitions, Duncan is always looking to improve his shooting skills. Duncan is a regular contributor to AmmoLand and assists in the everyday gun-news publishing as an assistant editor.

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Country Boy
Country Boy
2 years ago

By golly I think I better go get all my guns , load them,and throw each one off the roof of the house onto the cement driveway 20 times each to make damn sure none of them fire.

GIVE ME A BREAK !

STEVE GAINES
STEVE GAINES
2 years ago

I must be a total klutz because I HAVE dropped my pistols. Once when I missed the opening of a thigh holster (way back when they were “cool”). It was a S&W 1086 10mm. Other occasions when I had too many things in my hands and I let most of them slip from my hands trying to unlock my front door. This time with a GLOCK 23. At no time did the pistols go off. I’ve also dropped open or fix blade knives. What did I do? Same as the pistols, let them hit the deck. So for someone to… Read more »

Tirod
Tirod
2 years ago

Here’s the full specifications of the test, y’all need to read it closely. The part that most of these “negligent” gun testers are leaving out is that the drop test is at a maximum of 48 inches onto a specified rubber mat and it’s done with very specific orientations and angles. NOT SIX FEET, NOT AT A 30 DEGREE ANGLE. Also note the title of the document – which includes the word “Abusive”. And the entire point of the test requires accepting another issue, that something has to go wrong. In order to get the gun to discharge, you have… Read more »

Scotty Gunn
Scotty Gunn
2 years ago
Reply to  Tirod

So, if you drop your gun down the stairs while going down stairs, and it goes off, killing you, that’s cool,right? It met your 48″ rules on rubber after all. I worked with a guy who had that exact situation happen and was killed.
Sorry, I tend to stick to better quality guns by companies like Sig who rectify the problem, not BS it away.

Patrick Roberts
Patrick Roberts
2 years ago
Reply to  Tirod

This isn’t a SAMMI test dude. It is outlined in the video … I show a screen grab of it.

Vanns40
Vanns40
2 years ago

Who cares, it shouldn’t have fired, period.

TennX
TennX
2 years ago

@whywhywhy: Just one question; Have you ever, in your entire life, fumbled anything? If the answer is yes your comment is pointless.

Core
Core
2 years ago

Oh Patrick.. Good to see you’re looking out for our well being.

JDC
JDC
2 years ago

Mixed emotions on these tests. In 45+ years of using pistols, carrying them in combat, cc at home, and lots of range time, I’ve never dropped my weapon. Nor have I felt the need to strike it, or repeatedly strike it with a rubber hammer. I sincerely appreciate the safety tests, but must wonder aloud if we’re falling prey to trying to bubble wrap everything and make a gun perfectly safe? What is next? When you are carrying your hunting knife, drop testing it and then writing it up as unsafe because the point stuck in your foot? Any gun… Read more »

Vanns40
Vanns40
2 years ago
Reply to  JDC

Because we’re human we fumble things, everything from cups of coffee to……guns. You should never attempt to recover a fumbled firearm and a fumbled firearm should NEVER fire upon striking the ground. We (pluperfect form) supposedly solved this problem (dropped gun firing) decades ago. Any modern firearm that fails this test is simply a defective product.

JDC
JDC
2 years ago
Reply to  Vanns40

To a certain extent I agree. But you also make my point a bit with your logic. We’ve bubble wrapped our expectations so much that an inherently dangerous item like a gun is never expected to fire, even when we maltreat it. You already said it was an imperfect world (humans drop things) but put perfect expectations on the gun. Humans mistreat cars all the time and kill other humans. Don’t buy a Buick because a texting driver runs over a curb? Don’t allow a driver to drive a pre-airbag auto because we’ve “perfected” car safety? I guess we should… Read more »

Vanns40
Vanns40
2 years ago
Reply to  JDC

To, at least your last point, if not more, we understand that with older SA revolvers w/o transfer bars we, as did the shooters of the day, keep the chamber under the hammer empty. With older cars we don’t eleiminate them we understand their limitations and accept them if we choose to own them. Would you purchase a new car today if you knew the ball joints used inferior metal that could, under extreme evasive maneuvering, disintegrate? Same with firearms. You don’t expect that a modern day firearm, with the technology available, will fire when dropped or struck with ANYTHING.… Read more »

whywhywhy
whywhywhy
2 years ago
Reply to  JDC

Come to the range with me. I’ll bring my paperwe… Honor Guard. It’s not drop safe, so drop it, you might get shot in the butt or right through the heart. But don’t worry. I NEVER drop it. Also, I’ve never tapped the back of the gun to make sure everything chambered right. I’ve managed to not accidentally shoot anyone (including myself) with my defective gun….YET(it’s mothballed now). So let’s go to the range. I’ll bring the Honor Guard.

Kivaari
Kivaari
2 years ago

Patrick, Good report. When these things become known it is a worthy effort to inform the public.

HankB
HankB
2 years ago

When even major, established brands sell things that have design or manufacturing defects, this story shows that one should ESPECIALLY beware of buying off-brand guns. (I’d extend that caution to ammo and accessories as well.)

Derrall Williamson
Derrall Williamson
2 years ago
Reply to  HankB

HankB. Why comment on off brand guns when the majority of MAJOR gun brands are the ones that have been failing in recent history. Where are your your facts to make this absurd comment.