If Not for the NRA Hillary Clinton would be President

Hillary Clinton
Hillary Clinton

U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- Let’s face the facts. Without the NRA Hillary would be President and Schumer would be the leading the Senate. The Supreme Court would be backed with young gun grabbing justices. The record number of judges DJ Trump has had appointed would be all to the left center. Imagine the 9th Circuit Court being the norm for the country as a whole.

For the 40 million gun owners who identify as NRA members and all you who gave and supported the NRA. THANK YOU!

Without you (the extended family of gun owners and NRA supporters) Hillary would be in the Whitehouse today.

For the 40 million gun owners who identify as NRA members and all you who gave and supported the NRA. THANK YOU!
For the 40 million gun owners who identify as NRA members and all you who gave and supported the NRA. THANK YOU!

Let that sink in for a few seconds…All you who ranted and raved that the NRA is the devil, that any compromise equates to surrender need to stop drinking the kool-aid. No one else has the political sway to do what the NRA can do. No one.


Do not make an enemy of the good because it lacks perfection.


So let me try to explain something to you. Remember the Assault Weapon Ban? Sure you do. If not for the NRA negotiating a sunset clause this bill would still be law today.

The same thing for insta-check, an NRA compromise that prevented a national 15-day waiting period.

It is easy to yell and scream, but Bill and Hillary Clinton had the votes to push through and pass these bills without any compromise to the NRA. These gun bans were Hillary’s baby, and she was willing to do anything to get them passed. Trade anything, swap anything, twist any arms. You have the sunsetting of the Assault Gun Ban, and no waiting periods thanks to the NRA. Some would have had us fall on our sword. No compromise every. That path leads to the death of our rights. The NRA plays the long game.

So what did the NRA do to help President Trump? Well here is an ad the NRA ran. Click on it and see. There is a reason white women voted in a majority for Trump.

Different gun rights groups do different things better. The GOA is excellent at law suits but poor at most everything else. The NRA, great at mass campaigns and talking to America’s 120+ million gun owners. At the end of the day support the NRA or lose your right to own a gun. Everyone helps but only one group has the gravitas to change a national election. Oh, and yes, I read all your comments, which is why I am responding. Don’t bash other gun groups. We need EVERY resource we can get to win this fight. The anti-gun left is not going away, and a house divided cannot stand.

We need to educate the next generation and recruit outside our comfort base. If not we’ll be defending our rights forever. Join me, support the FNRA, teach freedom and fight the left. Thank you for reading.


About Don McDougall:Don McDougall

Don McDougall is an NRA instructor and member of the Los Padres “Friends of the NRA”committee. If he’s not at the range you will find him setting the record straight with on gun issues and gun safety on AmmoLand Shooting Sports News.

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buffalolips

U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Let’s face the facts. Without the NRA Hillary would be President and Schumer would be the leading the Senate. The Supreme Court would be backed with young gun grabbing justices. The record number of judges DJ Trump has had appointed would be all to the left center. Imagine the 9th Circuit Court being the norm for the country as a whole. For the 40 million gun owners who identify as NRA members and all you who gave and supported the NRA. THANK YOU! Without you (the extended family of gun owners and NRA supporters) Hillary would be in… Read more »

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Paul Valone

Don, take a chill pill. Most of us aren’t saying the NRA has never done anything good; we’re just saying that some things could be significantly better. And by playing perennial “NRA apologist,” you are actually undermining your own credibility. FYI, I am not so sure about the NRA’s responsibility for lots of Senate wins; most of the wins you list were incumbents. (BTW, where is Ted Cruz in that list? If they didn’t spend big on that one, they should have.) Having myself, as director of a gun rights organization, been on the receiving end of NRA malfeasance many… Read more »

Truth
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Truth

No infowars is why so stop bragging with your ego trip

The Revelator
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The Revelator

Uhhhhh….. No. Insanity is not the reason Hillary lost either. Quite frankly, between the NRA and Alex Jones’ youtube channel, the NRA has a bigger audience that from an outside perspective is not looney toons. If you want to listen to infowars, by all means go ahead. Just be aware however they are neither viewed as an accurate resource, or even overt in how far they will push a conspiracy theories.

Ron Watson
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Ron Watson

After reading every comment logged above, I would like to say that I have great faith in Chris Cox and Wayne LaPierre. I had some of the same feelings that are expressed above during our eight (8) nightmare years under our Kenyan president. However, unless you have walked the halls of Congress, you cannot fathom the multiple personalities and mind-sets they must deal with in every session. Unless we have an overwhelming majority, they must tread lightly and work both ends from the middle and wait for your day to come. I don’t know if the house legislation on concealed… Read more »

bob
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bob

i won’t believe a thing the nra does till they fix california ,and until they do that this control crap will never go away fix cali win the world

Tom
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Tom

The NRA can NOT fix the California problem. Only the voters there can do that. Until they vote out the problems on their state level and federal congressional level can the NRA even begin to work on that problem. The people of California put those people in office and only the voters can begin to fix it.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Ron Watson Allow me if I may, to illustrate. What is the difference right now between the NRA, and the Clinton Foundation? Honestly…. Both have supporters who will excuse and dismiss any wrong doing or corruption “Because they do good work”, both mismanage the money they do legitimately take in, both have dealings with individuals who at best can be called shady or dangerous and at worst downright evil, and both neglect their stated mission through their actions (CF does not help the poor in other countries, and NRA does not intervene when Individual rights are violated). This is a… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

No takers….. Not really that surprising.

Lewis Tripp
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Lewis Tripp

Yes, you are a #1 problem in the NRA. Your goals are idiotic and you and some of the others on this board are complete ah,s.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Lewis Tripp
Ok, Really… Then which goals exactly would you be referring to as idiotic?

Is it the goal of Individual Liberty?

Is it the goal of Individual Responsibility?

Is it the goal of Individual Principle?

Is it the goal of Truth and Integrity?

Well, if myself and others here are in error for believing in those things, perhaps you would like to point out which ones and provide some empirical evidence to support your statements.

Ron Watson
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Ron Watson

Revelator- Since I am a devout constitutionalist, I do not disagree with your above comments.I have read the Constitution many times and am irked by the Supreme Court decisions that ignore the plain written language of this document, and especially the Bill of Rights. Of course, the ludicrous decisions are the ones written by the left-wing squirrels appointed by the slime-o-crats. Ginsburg admitted many times that she had an outright disdain for the Constitution itself. Sotomeyer and Kegan are no more qualified for their position than I am to be an astronaut, that’s why our Muslim president put them there.As… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@ Ron Watson Now that was a good reply!! (The ” No takers” comment was directed at others, not yourself) While we still disagree, we do have common ground that we can talk about. That has been the point I have been trying to get across to people, albeit through forced absurdity showcasing the stupidity of the points made by the twin articles of Don McDougall, namely~ 1. “If you don’t support the NRA, you’re an apathetic tool of the Anti-gunners and will be blamed if anything goes wrong” 2. “At the end of the day support the NRA or… Read more »

Ron Watson
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Ron Watson

I am surprised at your age ! Because the Dems have instituted Adolph Hitler’s youth orientation programs into our schools and removed the actual history of the U,S, I presumed you were older. As for me being somewhat in the middle, my friends would laugh at that statement. I am as ultra right-wing as they come.I am 71 years old and worked as a staff officer for a fortune 500company for 46 years.This is why I understand TRUMP better than most. The way he operates goes on everyday in big business.I guess this is why I understand what Cox and… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@ Ron Watson Yes, I understand and get that a lot. I actually got to spend some time when I was young due to my father being stationed in a more socialist country, and visiting back here for family in the US. I got to see firsthand just how special we have it here in the US in regards to Liberty and individual freedoms. My father served as a Marine, and his father fought in Korea in the Army. I suppose you could say I was raised “Old Corps” as far as my views and thought processes were shaped. I… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@ Don McDougal BREAKING NEWSFLASH, Don McDougal finds proof beyond a reasonable doubt that his head, which has been missing since last Tuesday, was found embedded deep within his Colon Late Wednesday morning. Doctors attempted immediate but unsuccessful surgery to remove the trapped skull, but it refused to budge. News at 11:00…. Now that we have that out of the way, Don McDougal has gotten it wrong yet again. Hillary Clinton is the reason Hillary Clinton is not president, not the NRA. For Don to Claim the NRA was solely responsible for her own failure is like Don claiming “Though… Read more »

DBM
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DBM

You know your post does nothing but prove me right. Thank you.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@DBM Ok, Then please cite your work to show how it proves you right. Please, I would like to see outside sources instead of the CNN method of Journalism “Just trust us, we are CNN” Seriously, you have a board of Directors member in bed with the Muslim Brotherhood, You treat board elections like you are the DNC, On cases of Judicial abuse during self defense trials you remain silent, use membership dues to line your own pockets, and You trade away protections under the second amendment and then try to tell your members it’s a positive because it could… Read more »

DBM
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DBM

Rev…drink your kool-aid this morning?

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@DBM

No Citation… Avoiding the questions…. Following the Three D’s of the Democrat party perfectly.

You do realize that doing that does not elevate your position, but points out the weakness behind your argument right?

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@DBM

You know, for a guy asking “Drink your Kool-Aid?”, it might look a little hypocritical to be writing about “Here, drink this… Love the NRA…. YEsssss LoooOVe the NRA…. My Precious!!!”

Just saying… Also, care to explain why you have not addressed any of the issues raised to you so far, why you are purposely avoiding doing so?

Jim Burgess
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Jim Burgess

The NRA has signed off on every major piece of anti-gun legislation since 1934. That’s undeniable. And their idea of “compromise” today is to ask the ATF to legislate. Tell me again how the series of compromises that the NRA has allowed done anything to win the war? Your defeatist attitude seems to be “the loss of our rights is inevitable, so let’s compromise and slow the progress”.

Lewis Tripp
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Lewis Tripp

That is a complete lie. Prove what you say. I doubt that you can.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

Gun Control acts of 1934, and 38. Care to elaborate on them, and why the NRA is not leading the charge to defend the second amendment? Want to talk about bump stock legislation going on today?

Please, not being facetious here, this is a discussion we need to have. If you believe so strongly that Jim Burgess is wrong in what he says, how about you cite some outside sources(Meaning no puff pieces like McDougal imitating Hillary Clinton on her foundation). Why don’t you prove him wrong if you can???

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Here you go Trippy: THE GUN CONTROL ACT OF 1968 By William Vizzard For three decades, the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) has formed the legal core of national gun policy in the United States. The congressional deliberations leading to the passage of the GCA and companion legislation extended over five years and involved the Departments of Justice and Treasury, the White House, firearms interest groups, and both houses of Congress. At no time before or since has Congress addressed gun control policy with as much breadth or depth.[1] Although the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934 imposed strict… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Trippy, Here is some proof: Gun Control Act of 1968 Keith Rollins Eakins The U.S. Congress enacted the Gun Control Act (P.L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) which President Lyndon B. Johnson signed in 1968. Although the Gun Control Act did not contain the owner licensing and gun registration provisions that President Johnson desired, the act, along with the Safe Streets and Crime Control Act passed by Congress months earlier, contained the most significant restrictions on firearms since Congress enacted the National Firearms Act (NFA) in 1934. THE DEVELOPMENT OF GUN CONTROL LEGISLATION IN THE 1960s A highly controversial bill that… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Now, that we have provided the documentary evidence that Trippy demanded, it seems that he is quite busy else where!

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Wild Bill

That’s some good stuff WB. Knowing you, you don’t tend to normally post long comments.

DBM
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DBM

You know your post does nothing but prove me right. Thank you.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

Repeating yourself over and over without citing work only shows you’re an idiot. So far, you’ve done nothing but prove yourself wrong Don.

Janek
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Janek

If not for Donald Trump Hillary Clinton would be President. Donald Trump publically verbalizing his pro-gun views gave the NRA and the American public an outspoken politician they could unite behind!

The Revelator
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The Revelator

Not quite Janek. See, a lot of Conservatives who happen to still believe in the Constitution and remember a lot of Donald trumps flip flopping throughout the years. The biggest one being he was quite buddy buddy to the Clintons until just prior to switching his party affiliation to be able to run as a Republican in the 2016 Election. Prior to this, he was never a conservative. Two of his own children couldn’t even vote for him in the Primary run off because they did not switch their party affiliation in time To this day, I still wonder how… Read more »

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian

I’m a life member of the NRA. When I can afford to, I compete in Civilian Marksmanship Program highpower rifle, and unofficial IPSC and 3-Gun matches. I am a proponent of Constitutional Carry, including Open Carry. I’m not a “fudd” who is okay with “those scary black guns” being banned – I *built* mine from parts. That being said, I must ask: Where was the NRA for Brian Aitken? Or Shaneen Allen? Or Meg Fellenbaum? Or Wayne Fincher? Or David Olofson? Why, instead, are our membership dues being spent training and “supporting” the enforcers of the very laws NRA claims… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Jeffersonian

I wish this had been cleared by the time I was on last night. As it is, this is the first I have been able to read it, and you may have just restored a little bit of my faith in the NRA membership, though not the leadership.

Please keep asking questions, and please don’t forget to add Michael Strickland to your list of names. Keep up the fight.

Jeffersonian
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Jeffersonian

Yes, Michael Strickland’s name needs to be remembered too:
http://www.oregonfirearms.org/vendetta

Brick
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Brick

I read the top 2 sentences and that was enough to see it wasn’t a joke. The NRA is becoming useless and fails to show when actually needed. Truth be told, the NRA is really no more pro gun than Chuck Schumer. This is NOT the NRA of old but more of a false show of support. The NRA has become more of an HOA than an advocate for the 2nd amendment. Let these comments reflect back to them as a caution on their future. To even say they stood openly against the Killery campaign shows they’re more credit than… Read more »

The Revelator
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The Revelator

Did you see the other headline today?

“NRA (Supports) lawsuit challenge against NJ CCW permit system”

Supports, not leads, not files suit, not finances, not educates, ect…….. Yeah……. “Hey, send us your money so we can sit here in Washington and say we support you.”

PASTOR GLOCK
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PASTOR GLOCK

Oh yes nra it was all your doing!! Get over yourselves. How about you start doing what you’re actually supposed to be doing and fighting for our 2A rights. The elections were over a year ago and your still trying to take all the credit and pat yourselves on the back. You guys have gone soft and turned yourselves into $ grubbers. Im actually embarrassed of being a lifelong member. My father & grandfather use to tell me the nra had our backs. The nra was fighting the good fight. But that not what im seeing, thats not what im… Read more »

tomcat
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tomcat

@ Lisa where did you come up with this? I have never heard anything like this and I listen to Hannity and Tucker. If this were to ever happen they would have reported it because anything that is news they go after. In addition I keep abreast of other information sources and have never heard of anything so far out in left field. This must have come from Morning Joe, the joke.

Nemo
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Nemo

I really think you NRA member count is not accurate. As much as I would love to see it and recruit as much as I can, I believe the actual membership number is close to 4 or 5 million.

Count in family of NRA members adn you might get to the 40 million but that would still be difficult.

Nemo

DBM
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DBM

Nemo, Membership count is 5-6 million. But the number of people who IDENTIFY as NRA members is over 40 million.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@ Nemo Oh, Ouch. Question almighty DBM and he will correct you before forcing you to drink some of his cool aid. You should be very scared that he replied to you.. Good catch, and interesting way to get him to own up to some numbers and admit to manufacturing a make believe number. Another case of Hypocrisy, as I always thought the NRA had at one point stood against the manufactured number claim of doctors claiming you were “22 percent more likely to die by gunshot if you keep a gun in the home.” Arbitrary “Identifying” numbers…. Good catch… Read more »

subguy
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subguy

Yes, it is probable that the NRA had a lot to do with Trump’s election, but give the American conservative population a little credit. Until Trump there was really no good choice, only the “lesser of two evils.” People should have voted in those previous elections, but when there was someone who they could get enthused about they came out in droves. Hopefully they will learn to vote in EVERY election, now that they see what it can do.

Jim
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Jim

Every gun owner should be an NRA member.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

@ Jim
Every gun owner should be an Gun Owners of America member.

I fixed it for you.

It’s a better choice to represent the 2 nd. than Negotiating Rights Away since 1934

LaconicTom
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LaconicTom

And then the NRA betrayed its members after the Las Vegas shooting.

John Reid
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John Reid

The thought of Cankles being President is frightful.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

@John Reid

The thought of Cankles in a orange pantsuit behind bars is heartwarming.

Ozark Muleskinner
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Ozark Muleskinner

Rust and progressive/communist organizations don’t sleep.

Joe
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Joe

I’m an NRA member and must own 20 guns, but you cant pretend the NRA doesnt do scare campaigns. Just look at the videos. And the decision to go all in for Trump. In the long run that will backfire.

Ozark Muleskinner
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Ozark Muleskinner

How?

DBM
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DBM

Joe,
Hillary HAD to be stopped. She called for a ban on ALL semi-automatic firearms, and a forced buyback of firearms. You forget who and what she offered.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Joe Speaking of Scare Campaigns, “Forced buyback”?? Does he really believe you are so weak that you would trudge up to the Clintons and say “Sorry Miss Hillary, I should not be allowed to have this.” as you hand over your collection? And yes Joe, it already is starting to backfire. Look at Arthur Jones in Illinois. The NRA seriously can’t even run someone on a platform of saying “At least I am not Arthur Jones” to beat him in a primary so he doesn’t win it by default? The groundwork is being laid, and when the pendulum swings back… Read more »

Vilkus
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Vilkus

How can we get republicans on the CA ballot?

Infidel762X51
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Infidel762X51

If the Granola State is anything like the Peoples Republic of New Jersey it won’t matter the rinos are as bad as the delusionals.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

@ Infidel762X51

Same here in Vermont,we have a RINO governor,fiscally he is conservative everything else not so much.
Leftism is a mental disorder that spreads like the plague.

JS
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JS

CA Republicans are worse than most state democrats

Infidel762X51
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Infidel762X51

It won’t matter out there one is as bad as the other, just look an the cCA mirror NJ.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Vilkus, If you get rid of the illegal aliens that are skewing CA. politics and elections, then everything will come around right… in time.

The Revelator
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The Revelator

@Wild Bill

Yep, and now we have a Republican President promising Amnesty, a Republican Senate which is cheering it on, not a single branch is out of Republican control and yet Silencer reform is dead, the NRA is advocating for the ATF to have power to change definitions on firearm function as it sees fit, and Dick Durbin said something that actually made sense (“Spend the money you want for a parade on actually equipping our fighting men if you want to honor them”)

Have we fallen down a rabbit hole into wonderland or what?

JohnBored
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JohnBored

Amen

Darlena Daigneault
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Darlena Daigneault

Same with me .. happened yesterday .. Im a boy,my parents agreed.. but her parents are scared of community… I can only see we are getting closer to a breakup in which there is no mistake of boy and girl..Root cause is FEAR in parents for community .. Try to uproot it… and success ll be urs …

Lisa
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Lisa

If this is True, then what does that say about the 30 -70 million Russia contributed to the NRA for Trump’s campaign. Does this mean we have Russia to thank for Trump’s presidency?

That is a difficult pill to swallow. But is it fair?

Dave
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Dave

Not sure where you get your facts or if your numbers are even close to being true or accurate. But why not give equal credit to the contributors to the DNC/Clintons. How many BILLIONS were “Donated” to Hitlery’s campaign. SO let’s discuss what is “FAIR”.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Lisa, 30 million to 70 million? That is a mighty wide estimate. Which Russian made this supposed donation? America has been producing oil at a high rate, keeping the price of oil low, so that Russia doesn’t get revenues sufficient to increase their military, so where did they get the money to waste on the American election? The Russians under communism were notoriously cheap, so a contribution like the one that you suggest seems out of character. Sounds like shoddy guess work designed to create a rumor.

Charlie
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Charlie

More BS ! Now, was this dollars or rubles? Who, where, and when please?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Lisa, Senior political appointees at Main Justice and the FBI tried to change the outcome of the election and the Trump presidency. Those are facts, but you seize on the propaganda created by those political appointees. Who are you working for Lisa?

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

Just imagine if the Negotiating Rights Away ,hadn’t capitulated in 1934,1968,1994 and so on just what we would have had.

Infidel762X51
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Infidel762X51

Or even back to the 1800’s. The first town to ban bearing arms should have been taken to federal court.

Green Mtn. Boy
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Green Mtn. Boy

@ Infidel762X51 Gun control has historically been used for racist purposes,specifically post civil war as to what we know as gin control. The Racist Roots of Gun Control Racist arms laws predate the establishment of the United States. Starting in 1751, the French Black Code required Louisiana colonists to stop any blacks, and if necessary, beat “any black carrying any potential weapon, such as a cane.” If a black refused to stop on demand, and was on horseback, the colonist was authorized to “shoot to kill.” [1] Slave possession of firearms was a necessity at times in a frontier society,… Read more »

SCV 1524
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SCV 1524

There is one thing for sure and all you naysayers need to understand, that the NRA has the money to get thing done (30 million to Trump) and they have and will. To understand the NRA family means more than just the 5-6 million. It means their parents, children brothers, sisters, most all of which listen to their members and vote accordingly.