‘Stoneman Shooting’ Points to Need for One Gun Law that Could Have Made a Difference

The “Only Ones” allowed by “law” to be armed weren't there to stop the killer before or during the slaughter. (Via Twitter)

USA – -(Ammoland.com)- “Another school shooting” has rocked America, once more bringing out how divided the country is on guns. As we’ve seen before, angry words are being hurled by raging zealots manifesting their hatred of those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms, and accusing NRA of having “blood on its hands.” As usual, we see opportunistic and strident “progressive” politicians, cheerleading “journalists” and foaming-at-the-mouth “celebrities” egging that on, and posturing loudly for new “gun laws.”

“Debate” with fanatics vested in citizen disarmament is a wasted effort. At best, those attempting to inject reality into the public discourse may help enlighten those who may not have given the matter close scrutiny and retain open minds. As for those whose minds are on lockdown, ask what laws would have made a difference in the atrocity at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. You’ll get the same tired old platitudes.

Background checks? How have those worked at “stopping the violence” in places like Chicago? Besides, the suspect reportedly passed one.

Banning so-called “assault weapons”? Those represent only a small fraction of homicides committed with firearms, so anyone seriously proposing that needs to also demand a ban on handguns.

Nancy Pelosi finally admitted the “slippery slope” gun-grabbers used to ridicule as “paranoid,” but which the founders of the modern disarmament movement freely admitted to. And lest you think banning  all guns hasn’t been a long-term goal, check out what I found from the Jan. 1968 issue of GUNS Magazine while doing some research:

Total disarmament is a goal gun-grabbers used to freely admit to. (GUNS Magazine)

So much for the lie that “No one is talking about taking your guns.” Of course, they are. That’s the endgame, or at least the beginning of the endgame. And that's why some of us will resist giving another inch.

OK, so if guns are at a stalemate, what about identifying common factors to stop killers before they can strike? Really? A Department of Precrime…?

There are plenty of conflicting reports about the suspect’s mental state, temperament, politics, and ideology, the latter being brought out by some simply to play “Gotcha!” And people are naturally curious about such aberrations in their midst, so some information gets put out that later turns out to be inaccurate. We’re still finding out much about him, not that the finger-pointing matters in terms of resolving anything. And our finding out is being hampered anyway now that the suspect’s social media presence is being taken down, forcing the public to rely on major media passing along what civil authority wants them to know.

The only relevant ideology is that he is twisted and evil. No one in his right mind advocates killing innocents.

Speaking of “right mind,” how about the “fact” that “everybody knew” the suspect was a likely school shooter?  Even the FBI had been informed and they didn’t follow up properly!

While we don’t know what they legally could have done, it’s tempting to believe they could have taken the suspect out of the general populace and saved lives.

On what grounds? We can’t throw away due process. Recall that despite “three interactions,” cops from a few years back say they didn’t have enough evidence to remove the Isla Vista killer from circulation (which, among other things, was a spectacular admission of how California gun registration has proven useless at preventing anything.)

So I’m saying that’s just the way it is? Nothing can be done?

Not at all. There is one “gun law” that at least had the potential to make a difference, but it was being infringed by “gun free school zone” edicts.  Broward County Public Schools, of which Stoneman Douglas is part, explains on its website:

At least the people investigating the crime scene after the fact will be armed.

But don’t look for the Second Amendment to be recognized any time soon by our representatives or the courts as “being necessary to the security of a free State.” Instead, look for renewed demands to enact even more citizen disarmament edicts.

We’ll see if this puts the kibosh on Republican stomach for nationwide concealed carry reciprocity with the midterms coming up. And don’t be surprised if some “gun rights leaders” — prone to endorsing “compromises” on things like “bump stocks” or “Fix NICS”  — decide it’s time to offer another olive branch to those who want nothing less than everything.

The proper response of course, fromr those who would “guard with jealous attention the public liberty,” is to respond to gun ban demands with one word:

“No.” You can add “Your move” for effect.

For those who still insist on the disarmament we see so many calling for, I have one question:

How many men who resist are you willing to see killed in order to make that happen?

Don't be surprised if some of the more emotion-driven and restraint-challenged reply “All of you.”


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.

In addition to being a field editor/columnist at GUNS Magazine and associate editor for Oath Keepers, he blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

  • 45 thoughts on “‘Stoneman Shooting’ Points to Need for One Gun Law that Could Have Made a Difference

    1. It’s a shame that these kinds of discussion, for the most part, are only found or allowed on pro gun sites. What has happened to a true discussion or debate? Our parents had debating teams in school and they learned, for the most part, how to present an idea and to listen!
      The public on the East and West Coasts say, Don’t allow us to protect ourselfs, Call the professionals, that’s what they are for. So do we ever hear them calling to take away the fire extinguishers, we have professionals to do that? Of course, that would be crazy, but a mass shooting is just like a fire, nip it in the first stages and you only have a small amount of damage. We have fire equipment in place, why not arm school staff?

      1. You’re right that real discussions only seem to happen on pro-gun sites. I’ve also noticed when someone is insulting & immature acting with their comments it’s usually from the gun control side. I prefer having civilized, respectful conversations because that’s the only possible way to get your point across & have your opponent actually consider your point of view. Though I’m not holding my breath I’ll change anyone’s mind. I tried to post on ABC news’ site the other day. Someone corrected a commenters false assertion of 18 school shootings this year. The corrected commenter’s response was to insult the intelligence & integrity of the corrector, with others joining in. Ironic, isn’t it? Anyway, my comment to the corrected- pointing out the hypocrisy & problem with his points- was removed (never posted) & I was banned from posting comments on ABC news.

    2. I DON’T GET IT. I HAVE BEEN READING BLOGS, HISTORY, NEWS AND LOOKING INTO WEB SITES TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES OF OWNING AND USING GUNS. MANY TRY TO CLAIM IT IS THEIR “GOD GIVEN RIGHT”, THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE GOOD BUT THEY ARE NOT GOD. A FRAME WORK FOR OWNING AND THE USE OF GUNS WAS ESTABLISHED SO THERE COULD BE A PROCESS TO SET GUIDELINES, RULES, SAFETY MEASURES AND A PROCESS OF MONITORING EACH OF THESE. WE CALLED IT THE 2ND AMMENDMENT. AT THAT TIME IS WAS PROBABLY NECESSARY TO HAVE GUNS. NOT A SINGLE VONS OR ALBERSTONS FOR MILES (YEARS), CARROTS WILL GET YOU ONLY SO FAR, AT SOME POINT YOU MAY WANT MEAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE SHOOTING IT. THERE WAS NO POLICE DEPARTMENT NEARBY, NO PHONES AND AT TIMES I AM SURE THE USE OF A GUN WAS NECESSARY TO PROTECT YOURSELF. IT MADE SENSE, THEN. NOW, I DON’T GET IT. PART OF THE PROBLEM I HAVE IS IT SEEMS A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO YELL AND SCREAM “THEY WANT TO TAKE OUR GUNS” “YOU ARE TRYING TO TAKE MY RIGHTS AWAY”, IF IT WERE UP TO ME THE RESPONSE TO BOTH OF THESE WOULD BE, “YEP, YOU BETCHA, THE SOONER THE BETTER”. IT SEEMS THE FOUNDING FATHERS ALSO SAW A NEED TO HAVE IT BE “OK’ TO VOICE YOUR OPINION AND SO WE HAVE YET ANOTHER AMENDMENT. WHEN DID WE STOP MEASUREING THE RIGHTS OF ONE OVER ANOTHER. IF EVEN ONE PERSON COULD LIVE LONGER, IF ONE FAMILY DIDN’T HAVE TO SUFFER BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS WAS SHOT, IF EVEN ONE PERSON WAS NOT TRAUMATIZED WOULDN’T IT BE WORTH MAKEING SOME LONG OVER DUE CHANGES. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO SHOULD NEVER BE GIVEN A WEAPON AND NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH A MENTAL ILLNESS. SOME PEOPLE ARE GENUINLEY BUG NUTS AND NEED A PADDED CELL, SOME ARE ANGRY OR RAGE FILLED, SOMETIMES LIFE JUST THROWS SOMETHING YOUR WAY THAT FOR A TIME IS UNBEARABLE AND PEOPLE SNAP. SOME MAY NOT HAVE HAD ANY OF THESE DIFFICULTIES WHEN THEY LEAGALLY PURCHASED THEIR WEAPON. HOW DO YOU CONTINUE TO MONITOR A PERSON WITH A WEAPON IN THEIR POSSESSION? WHEN DO YOU DECIDE TO REMOVE THIS WEAPON; WHEN DO YOU RETURN IT? A CAR CAN BE A DANGEROUS PIECE OF MACHINARY. WE REQUIRE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DRIVE TO COMPLETE A TRAINING SESSION, TAKE A TEST AND ACTUALLY DEMONSTRATE THE PROPER USE OF THE CAR. ONCE WE ARE SATISFIED THAT THIS PERSON UNDERSTANDS THE GRAVITY OF OPERATING THIS MACHINE IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER THEN THEY ARE ISSUED A LICENSE . AUTHOURITIES MONITOR THIS BEHAVIOR AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAR AND LICENSE TAKEN AWAY IF YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES. MAYBE NO ONE SHOULD GET A GUN UNTIL: COMPLETION OF EDUCATION AND TRAINING IN THE USE AND SAFETY OF THIS WEAPON; DEMONSTRATE A SINCERE AND HONEST NEED FOR THE WEAPON; A LEGITAMATE MONITORING MECHANISM (ANNUAL RENEWAL OF LICENSE WITH CONTINUED EDUCATION AND DEMONSTRATION.) {JUST A SIDE NOTE: LOOK HOW MANY NEW JOBS WERE JUST CREATED} {ANOTHER SIDE NOTE: LOOK HOW MUCH REVENEW WAS JUST CREATED} WHEN GUNS ARE PASSED ON TO FAMILY/FRIENDS WHEN SOMEONE DIES, IS THIS LEGAL OR MONITORED? JUST ASKING. OF COURSE THIS WILL NOT KEEP ALL GUNS FROM ALL PEOPLE WHO WOULD GET THEM ILLEGALLY ANYWAY BUT IT IS A GENUINE START. CAN ANYONE SAY THAT ALL GUN OWNERS ARE WELL QUALIFIED, WELL MEANING AND RESPONSIBLE? IF YOU CAN, YOURE A LIAR AND A FOOL IF YOU BELIEVE IT. UNTIL WE CAN SAY THAT AND BELIEVE IT THEN DON’T YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEM AREN’T GOING TO GO ALL RAMBO ON YOU THE NEXT TIME YOU CUT THEM OFF IN TRAFFIC OR NEGLECT TO INVITE THEM TO YOUR NEXT BAR B QUE. WHEN GUN OWNERS CAN STOP COMPARING THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF GUNS THEY HAVE LIKE IT IS A TROPHY OR AN ACHIEVMENT, AS IF THEY JUST GAVE BIRTH TO A WEAPON THAT CAN DESROY WHOLE COMMUNITIES, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BETTER WAY OF LETTING THEM HAVE THEM. WHEN WE CAN STOP ALLOWING CHILDREN (AND SOME CHILD LIKE ADULTS) FROM ENGAING IN MARATHON VIDEO GAMES WHERE CHARACTERS ARE SHOT WITH NO THOUGHTS OF REMORSE, NO FEED BACK ON THE FACT THAT YOU JUST TOOK A LIFE. I’VE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE MILITARY AND HAD TO KILL. THE REMORSE FROM ACTUALLY TAKING A LIFE DOES NOT GO AWAY, NO MATTER WHY YOU WERE FORCED TO DO IT. I BELIEVE THE SAME COULD BE SAID FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE SAME SITUATION. AT LEAST THESE PEOPLE WERE TRAINED AND THERE IS ALWAYS SOME SORT OF DEBRIEFING. WHY DID WE BECOME A SOCIETY WHERE AFTER DECADES OF TRYING TO OVERCOME HATE, TRYING TO NURTURE ACCEPTANCE AND INCLUSION, WE HAVE GONE HEAD LONG INTO A SOCIETY THAT IS SO JUDGEMENTAL, SO SELF CENTERED SO ELITEST AND BENT ON ONLY LOOKING TO HELP THEMSELVES NO MATTER THE COSTS. WHEN DID THE MORAL IMPARITIVE DISSAPEAR? COULD WE PLEASE TRY AND GET IT BACK? OUR COUNTRY, OUR CONSTITUTION ARE FLUID. WE GROW WE ADJUST AND WE MAKE CHANGES AS A COUNTRY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL. NOTHING IS EVER JUST WRITTEN IN STONE WITH NO WAY TO AMEND IT. KEEP YOUR GUNS IF YOU MUST, BUT MAKE SURE YOU AREN’T TAKING NOT JUST ANOTHER PERSONS RIGHTS MAKE SURE YOU AREN’T PUTTING THEM IN JEOPARDY JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE A PLATFORM AND A FEW DOLLARS MORE. PLEASE DON’T GIVE TEACHERS GUNS THAT IS JUST STUPID. AS A LAST NOTE OR DISCLAIMER: I AM WELL AWARE OF THE TYPO’S, MISSPELLINGS AND RUN ON SENTENCES, GET OVER IT AND LOOK AT THE MEANING BEHIND THE POSTS.

      1. MANY TRY TO CLAIM IT IS THEIR “GOD GIVEN RIGHT”, THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE GOOD BUT THEY ARE NOT GOD.
        The right to self defense, self preservation is god given. We have the right to use whatever means are at our disposal for this purpose. It is also necessary to the security of a free state. You can argue against that if you like but we’ll agree to disagree. The FF enumerated the right to keep and bear arms. ALL arms. They didn’t make it a right. They listed it so that the government could not infringe upon it. However, infringement which you obviously advocate continues to grow. Do you really think if they make guns illegal that criminals will abide by that? No! Then you’ll have a disarmed law-abiding populace & no way to defend oneself from criminals with guns. When seconds count the police are only minutes away. You can depend on them to save you. I’ll count on me.
        WHEN DID WE STOP MEASUREING THE RIGHTS OF ONE OVER ANOTHER. IF EVEN ONE PERSON COULD LIVE LONGER, IF ONE FAMILY DIDN’T HAVE TO SUFFER BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS WAS SHOT, IF EVEN ONE PERSON WAS NOT TRAUMATIZED WOULDN’T IT BE WORTH MAKEING SOME LONG OVER DUE CHANGES.
        Why is the first amendment so important yet the second is under attack constantly. Although it would seem the gun control crowd is against the first as well if you’re voicing an opinion contrary to their own. Then they call you a liar, complicit in murder of children & refuse to let you speak.
        Myself & my firearms are not harming anyone. Neither I nor my guns are infringing on anyone else’s rights or making anyone suffer. I understand you can’t be sure that they won’t, just like no one can be sure you won’t drive your car (or steal someone else’s regardless of whether you’re licensed) through a parade.
        AUTHOURITIES MONITOR THIS BEHAVIOR AND YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAR AND LICENSE TAKEN AWAY IF YOU DON’T FOLLOW THE RULES.
        Authorities don’t monitor your driving. Are you talking about police? Police don’t “monitor” driving. If they happen to find you’ve done something wrong then you can lose driving privileges. Same way if you do certain things wrong you can lose your 2A rights. No one’s trying to take away your driving privileges BEFORE you do something wrong. Why are you trying to take my RIGHTS before I’ve done anything wrong.
        WHEN GUN OWNERS CAN STOP COMPARING THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF GUNS THEY HAVE LIKE IT IS A TROPHY OR AN ACHIEVMENT, AS IF THEY JUST GAVE BIRTH TO A WEAPON THAT CAN DESROY WHOLE COMMUNITIES.
        You’re stereotyping & it’s offensive. Every possible different group or type of people are being catered to these days & God forbid you offend them. Meanwhile gun owners are continually insulted & attacked by those of your ilk.
        WHY DID WE BECOME A SOCIETY WHERE AFTER DECADES OF TRYING TO OVERCOME HATE, TRYING TO NURTURE ACCEPTANCE AND INCLUSION, WE HAVE GONE HEAD LONG INTO A SOCIETY THAT IS SO JUDGEMENTAL, SO SELF CENTERED SO ELITEST
        Like you thinking you know what’s best for everybody else. Speaking on a topic & demographic which you clearly know nothing about. See my previous response.
        KEEP YOUR GUNS IF YOU MUST, BUT MAKE SURE YOU AREN’T TAKING NOT JUST ANOTHER PERSONS RIGHTS MAKE SURE YOU AREN’T PUTTING THEM IN JEOPARDY JUST SO YOU CAN HAVE A PLATFORM AND A FEW DOLLARS MORE.
        What? Anyway, yes I will absolutely keep my guns & I’m taking rights from & jeopardizing no one.
        PLEASE DON’T GIVE TEACHERS GUNS THAT IS JUST STUPID.
        No one is advocating forcibly putting guns in the hand of every teacher. But what’s stupid is allowing schools to continue being gun-free zones. If a teacher is trained & has a concealed carry permit they shouldn’t be forced to leave their gun at home. They’re no more a danger in a school than anywhere else.
        There are two main groups involved in the debate over Guns & 2A. Those who are pro gun control; & those who know what they’re talking about.

      2. @Jolle Shredder, The Civil Right has been recognized in many S. Ct cases as a pre political Civil Right. You can educate yourself on the subject by reading Tennessee Law Review, vol 62, no. 3. or “The American Freedoms Primer by Les Adams or U.S. v Miller 307 U.S. 174 (1939)

      3. Given the stream of consciousness nature of the post it’s difficult for me to know what the meaning behind it is, other than you shouldn’t cut the grass on Tuesdays. There really is a reason for rules of grammar. They contribute to clarity.

    3. I really think that we, as 2A protectors, are missing the boat. When a person “bans” our right to carry a concealed (or unconcealed) weapon then we should be immediately be suing them for infringing on our rights. We would do this if they said you could not go there if you were gay or said you could not talk if you were conservative so why this part of the constitution is ignored is beyond me. The school board does not own the school property and therefore cannot make rules in regards to that property. I am a retired LE officer. In NC, with my LE CCW permit, I can carry in schools, police stations, court houses or any other location other than Federal property. I can ignore “No guns allowed” signs. But that ends at the borders of this state. The original Federal LE CCW law extended my rights to all states but Congress complained and changed that law to end at state lines and requiring LE CCW holders to have to comply with each state differently. So the beginning of a reciprocal law was shut down shortly after starting. Some complained as to why LE professionals should be treated differently without realizing that this was a great beginning to a National CCW permit and did not support it. In affect, they may be real 2A supporters but complained that they were not included in this earmark law which stopped them from being added in the future. It is being taking away in baby steps and we need to add it back in baby steps.

    4. Good article Mr. Codrea. The survivors & other anti 2A members of both the right & left who are claiming the NRA & supporters have blood on their hands need to look in the mirror. It is the disarmament of those who would carry a firearm for self-defense in these “gun-free zones” that allows these events. I won’t go so far as to say it’s the cause of such actions, but it definitely increases both the likelihood of such events & the death toll from them. So all of those fighting to implement “gun-free zones” are the ones with blood on their hands. The old phrases are absolutely right: #1- The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Not a sign posted telling them they can’t bring a firearm on the premises. Which brings me to phrase #2- When seconds count the police are only minutes away. Which is exactly why we need MORE firearms in these GFZs. Obviously none of us are suggesting giving guns to completely inexperienced novices. Adequate training would be part of the program. I find it absurd that these conclusions are so hard to grasp for so many. It is most basic common sense.
      You are absolutely right that they are willing to see all of us die in order to impose their totalitarian regime via gun confiscation. But I have another question: How many of the police & military will be willing to risk their own lives & kill their fellow citizens in order to forcibly take our guns under order of those in the ivory towers? I’m sure there would be some, but I cannot foresee the vast majority being complicit.
      And I want to make one more point. I often hear this phrase when referring to gun bans: “If it saves just one life then it’s worth it.” Well I beg to differ. I don’t want to see any innocent person lose their life to violence of any kind. But there were thousands of lives lost during the Revolution, the War of 1812, & the Civil War in order to create & defend this nation & its Constitution, of which the 2A is part. It doesn’t grant a right, it protects our God-given right to defend ourselves by whatever means necessary. The lives lost in those wars were for a purpose- & their sacrifices will not be rendered nugatory.

      1. @Wzrd, When you write, “Obviously none of us are suggesting giving guns to completely inexperienced novices. Adequate training would be part of the program.” What program do you have in mind? Because most of us teach our children and grand children gun safety and how to shoot long before giving them a gun.

        1. It was meant as a proactive rebuttal to the opponents of such ideas, who instead of having an intelligent discussion on it would claim that we are advocating handing out guns to every adult & child in the school with no regard for their level of competence with firearms.
          They make the same argument against national reciprocity. As if it would immediately lead to an epidemic of “Wild West” type shootouts & deadly accidents. Like we are trying to forcibly put a loaded gun in the hands of every man, woman & child even if they’ve zero experience.

    5. Comment…Well by my count the last two and possibly three shootings can be laid at the feet of the government . No matter what gun laws are or are not in effect if the Feeble Bureau does their job this does not happen !

    6. Just read at World Net Daily that the sister of the perp’s mother has come out with the information that the perp has been on psychotropic drugs for his “fragile emotional state”. That brings the count to all but two mass shootings in rcent years were perpetrated by an individual who was or had recently been taking such meds. COULD there be a link here? Could the fact that the sun has risen in the east every day I have looked to check, might be a relatively solid indicator that it will rise in the east tomorrow?

      WHEN will gummit allow someone to take a long hard look at that connexion? And the rottten government school system that produces kids so messed up they get put on those things?

      Anyone else catch the piece about the school in Texas which cured an entire school of al its kids who had attention deficit disorders, were fidgety and antsy, rebellious, disruptive, uncooperativ,e etc, by making one simple and no cost change in the daily routines at the schools? Yeah, they brought RECESS back… multiple times a day, active outside unstructured play time so the kids can run, jump, play, holler, shout, lei down in the grass, get their heartrates up above semicomatose…… the teachers and staff are astounded…… and so are the parents.

      1. @Tio, But there is no payday for the professionals in letting the children be free for awhile. I would be very interested in reading that article if you have a reference, Tio!

    7. In the State of Ohio there has been a partial solution partially implemented. It was conceived in the aftermath of the Scammy Crooks shooting in Newtown. The plan was well thought out, eventually gained the support of both the school system and the state legislature. Buckeye Firearms Associatioin folks were at the centre of it, and widely promoted it. That is one of the best state associations anywhere. The plan? Very simple… design and implement a series of specific training exercises carefully tailored to the school shooting scenario. Prepare seasoned firearm, defense, survival instructors in the system of training once developed. Raise funding to pay for the training time, then call for volunteers WHO ARE ALREADY AT THE VARIOUS SCHOOLS in the state and who ALREADY CARRY CONCEALED EVERYWHERE THEY GO (except up til that time, of course, at the schools). Then, once the programme was developed, they prevailed upon the state government to modify the laws to allow those who fit all the above criteria to carry at will in the schools. Each armed/trained individual uses his own weapon which he already owns, engages in the course, which is extensive, quite a few (at least 20, I believe) hours of intensive training including live fire exercises with the trainers, then carry concealed upon their persons, at will, as they go about their normal duties at theirplace of employment.. the school. NO ONE at the schools can know at any given time who is/is not packing. But EVERYONE knows at any given time or school, SOMEONE is very likely to be. Which is part of the beauty of this system. The deterrent factor is so high there has not been a single attempt in the years since the programme was first implemented. NOT ONE.

      The theory and thinking behind this programme arose direclty out of some BFA leadership pondering “WHAT IF that teacher in the first classroom into which the Sandy Hook shooter intruded had been carrying her own Personal Defensive Weapon and been able to deal with the punk before he was able to fire his second round. At most, in that scenario, we’d have one child possibly killed, and one dead perp.”. Next question they addressed was HOW to find, train, equip that teacher and her peers to give them that capabilty.

      I read recently that other states, one of them I believe is COloraado, are seriously examining the programme and how it functions, they’ve already examined the results over the past few years. The perfect record and near zero cost to taxpayers are HUGE plusses. Every other such plan has been overthought, overregulated, huge burden to taxpayers, VERTY restricted (I think it was Georgia a few weeks ago floated a plan to designate ONE armed trained selected individual for each school, his firearm to be secured in a safe somewhere on campus….. and cost a HUGE amount of money, as government would mangle every aspect of it. Sure as shootin’, though, the putative perp would target THAT guy, known and obvious, just like the School Resource Ossifers parked at school all day doing not much, on full salary plus benefits.. and any perp with more than four functioning and connected brain cells will identify hm, wait till he’s half a mile away from where his weapon is locked up, and take HIM out first. Then the scenario reverts to what we saw three days ago.

      The folks at Buckeye Firearms Association are VERY experienced and serious.. and have done well. This model is ready to be deployed into any state or school district who wants it, and BFA are eager to help. Best part? It costs taxpayers nothing, AND works.

      The result, practically, was

      1. Could you offer source information for this? I’d really like to read what I can about this and add it to my counter argument aresenal.

        1. http://fastersaveslives.org/
          Great people, great organization. Started in Ohio and have branched out to other states. They offer training to teachers for free, and will even keep the teacher’s name out of it if they do not want their school board to know (can easily see an anti-gun board member or members trying to get a teacher dismissed for merely “planning” to be qualified to concealed carry at school). Reminds me of when I carried on my job at a large gas/convenience store chain who absolutely prohibited weapons, even if you were working alone 3rd shift! I always thought I would rather be alive and fired from my job instead of a dead “model employee”!

      2. @ Tionico, I distinctly remember a while ago a county in California started a program very similar to what you described in your post. The capital was highly upset when this county began this program. Since reading about this I haven’t seen or heard of anything else regarding the out come. Sorry, I guess my memory is effected by age, but I’m pretty sure some digging would uncover more details than I can provide.

    8. Great article, I agree but would like to add this. I keep reading and hearing in the news that they want more background checks. I can only explain it in simple terms. A background check only reveals your current background. Simpler–If you have not been caught you have no background to check on. A background only looks at your current criminal record, it cannot see into the future and predict what you are going to do. For example you have teachers having sex with their students, yes they passed. You also have nursing staff stealing patient belongings, their drugs, and also raping elderly patients, they passed too. It isn’t a gun problem, it is a people problem, we cannot identify with any accuracy the ones that are going to do these types of things.

      1. Not many, but, surprisingly, more than you would think. This may be because the military is accepting a whole different strata of American society than they once did.

        We once had people who were quite religious and knew the difference between right and wrong. People who didn’t grow up in such a permissive society where illegals are to be protected while the law abiding are to be punished. It was a time before Presidents could openly lie and be considered great heroes. Where the Constitution meant something to each person’s soul. A time when things like Sousa marches, the flag, the national anthem, etc., brought tears of pride to the eyes of so many, brought goosebumps and chills up the spine. The time before the communist/socialists took control of the educational system and fed students left wing propaganda day after day. A time before teachers taught student to disrespect law and order, authorities, and even parents.

        The USA is dying a slow Marxist death. We were far better off when we had small, one room schoolhouses, where students were taught to be good Americans.

    9. Someone had to be sleeping at the switch. How does a guy walk into a school with an AR15 and a backpack full of smoke bombs and magazines and not be noticed. This is just plain ludicrous and the fault falls back on the school system for allowing this to happen. I have not been around any school in many years that doesn’t have security of some kind to keep people out when the don’t belong there. In the area where I live there are Resource Officers assigned to each school. These are trained police officers who wear a uniform and a police car sits in front of the school. It may be an expensive method to protect kids but not as expensive as it would be if some nut played Rambo there. There has been some talk about arming teachers and I know several that would be willing to carry if they were allowed to.
      The libs can stick their gun removal proposals up their a$$, my guns have not jumped out and shot anyone in all the years I have owned them.

    10. In Fridley, MN (suburb of Minneapolis) the same day (14 Feb) a gent was involved in a minor fender bender on a main highway. Although it appears he caused the crash, he got out and got verbally abusive to the other drivers (several cars involved). He then pulled out a knife and started chasing one driver.

      An armed fellow citizen driving the other way stopped and attempted to intervene. As soon as he was challenged by the gent with the concealed weapon, he quit chasing the other driver and immediately attacked the gent with the gun. The gent with the knife was then engaged, and the assault stopped. The knife wielder died after he arrived at the hospital.
      Police have not charged the good Samaritan with the gun. Witnesses basically said he prevented the deaths of other innocent people.

      This hit the local news for exactly a 24 hr cycle.

      Had the Coach/secuirty guard in Florida been armed, we might be celebrating a live hero and dead mental patient. C
      Time to get vocal, as the anti-gun crowd is seizing this as their opportunity.

      1. @JDC, If I remember correctly the security guard at the school never entered the school. I don’t remember if it was Fox News or One America News where I heard this. He took up a position outside the school. Not a very good guard if you ask me, sit outside while a gunman just shoots everywhere with no intervention? Too damned many didn’t do their jobs, FBI, local police. Perp was reported 3 times and no one did a damned thing to investigate. I’m also fed up with the term “slipped through the cracks”.

      2. @JDC, I just read a story on Fox News. There was an armed deputy on duty at the school. He did not enter the building. he took up a position outside the building, for 4 minutes. The shooter had 6 minutes before other police arrived and went in. This Deputy has since retired. When this story broke the Sherriff placed the deputy on unpaid leave until an investigation was completed.. He resigned right after he was informed of the pending investigation. His home is now being guarded by Broward County deputies. Again, a failure of Broward County to prevent this carnage.

    11. The ONLY solution is to place armed professional volunteers in schools. NRA National School Shield. Sadly it won’t be allowed because it doesn’t make enough politicians and admins in DOE’s rich.

      1. @Core, Well, public hanging is also a solution that works every time. Why not just place armed professionals in schools. They would deserve to get paid.

      2. we NEED to do like Israel does.
        since they have allowed their teachers to be ARMED, NOT ONE SHOOTING PERIOD.
        and how about US VETS’ HELL WERE ALREADY TRAINED, AND WOULD GLADLY PROTECT SCHOOL KIDS FROM MANIACTS.
        AND NO MORE SO CALLED GUN FREE ZONES.

        1. Israel’s model is a good one to use. That said, it is the law in Israel that every adult between 18 & 50 enlist in the IDF, serve active duty then remain on reserve. All teachers in Israel are armed and are also military trained in armed and disarmed combat. This is where they are doing better because the vast majority of US school teachers have no military or combat training. It’s obvious that teachers who are trained veterans would provide better security. One more option is to use US veterans, vetted for PTSD, to provide security either paid or volunteer. It goes without saying that US veterans providing security would be armed with weapons they already know how to use. Unarmed security is nothing more than crime monitors and nearly helpless against armed and determined attackers. The next school attack may be a full blown terrorist attack since we have proven our schools to be soft targets to date. It’s time to harden our schools to protect our children.

          1. Funny the New York Post had an editorial wanting to apply Israel’s gun laws here. The down side is it restricts civilian ownership to a large degree. Carry permits are for law enforcement, military, etc only (for the most part). Quantity of ammunition is restricted as well as private ownership is restricted to certain types. The article said that their crime is much lower. Well, duh. They don’t have the cartels pushing drugs , or the hood rats gunning each other down over drug trade, or gangs like here.
            Our political correctness will prevent us from being proactive . Besides, the gun grabbers don’t care less about the kids, they are globalists who want to ban ALL guns.

    12. Damn straight. Until we do something about radical depression and the widespread overuse of brain-altering anti-depression pharmas, these atrocities will continue, regardless of any gun law changes. The libs want nothing to do with this topic however. Until they do, we’re screwed.

    13. Not sure about the latest Lakeland School shooting. (Yet). But ALL of the other shooters including the Las Vegas shooter were all on “SSRIs”. We don’t have a “gun control” problem. We have an over-prescribed “DRUG” problem.

      1. Damn straight. Until we do something about radical depression and the widespread overuse of brain-altering anti-depression pharmas, these atrocities will continue, regardless of any gun law changes. The libs want nothing to do with this topic however. Until they do, we’re screwed.

    14. You mean government-approved shooting the criminal shooter by a civilian before the cops arrive? Gasp! That would mean the government would be endorsing independent thinkers and actors set on their own defense and that of others. If the government allows that, what will the police have to do, besides follow-up after crime activities like they often do now? What happens to the argument/lie that the police will protect you, if you can call them and if they decide to show up? What happens to the lie of vigilante law when a civilian protects themselves? What happens to the grandstanding democrat prosecutors who want to intimidate law-abiding citizens not willing to wait for the police to show up five minutes or more after the crime has been committed? This idea of self-defense could cause significant changes in criminal actors’ view of worthwhile crime. You know, having too many independent thinkers and doers could have a dramatic adverse impact on the democrats and that will never do.

      1. Precisely my friend. BRAVO ! You’re 100% correct.
        Today , We The People ,must find & vote in true ,honest patriot politicians , such as our Founding Fathers were, and rid ourselves of those who oppose the governance permitted to us by our US Constitution,the Bil of Rights and who obviously are against the natural rights & freedom of We The People.

        There are those politicians who took a solomn oath to uphold our precious documents of freedomt, but when elected choose to instead ,bring about it’s demise one step at a time. These are the traitors.

        Beginning when Trump was elected POTUS , the time has now finally come ,with Trump as POTUS, and those of the GOP politician membership who have and are be, beginning to recognize the huge chance they now have as to what they can do , to truly Make America Great Again. And therefore, We The People must also do our part.

        It occurs to me that at this particular time in our Nation’s existance it might just be a case of “it’s now or never”, if we honestly wish to upright the great ship that is our country from the extreme port sided tilt inflicted by the corrupt Obama Administration we suffered under for the last 8 years.
        I’ll get off my soapbox now.

          1. @OV, It is almost as if Clark sobers up every once in a while and stumbles to the computer terminal, then comments with only half of an understanding of what is being discussed. Best regards to Sammy.

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