Obituary Plea for Waiting Period Shows ‘Gun Control’ about Feelings

Are desperate and irrational decisions by others legitimate claims for infringing on your rights under force of “law”? (Édouard Manet: Le Suicidé)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “In honor of Andrew R. Black, we ask that you work for legislation that imposes a reasonable waiting period between firearm purchase and possession to provide a cooling off period to guard against impulsive acts of violence,” the grieving parents of a 23-year-old Vermont man who committed suicide requested in their son’s obituary. He had shot himself on the same day he purchased a firearm from a gun store, meaning the transfer had been cleared after the Vermont Criminal History Repository provided background check information to the National Instant Check System.

It’s hard to imagine a grief more agonizing than losing a child, an occurrence that can throw the strongest into the depths of despair, desperate for anything to help make sense of the senseless. Words fail to express the helpless sympathy all decent people should feel for this young man’s parents. That said, their torture is no claim against the rights of others, which is what the way they are channeling their grief makes.

Per the New York Post:

That “cooling off period,” if enacted into law, might be enough to save another person’s life, Black’s father told WCAX. He declined to say what preceded his son’s decision to commit suicide. “Andrew was having a bad day, that’s the easiest way to put it,” Rob Black told the station. “At 11:03 he went and bought a gun. Was out of the store by 11:30 and he was dead by 3 or 3:30.” Had there been a way to guard against his son’s hasty decision, even a delay of as little as 24 hours, Black thinks he might still be alive.

It’s understandable that Black would decline to comment on painful private matters, but if he’s going to channel this tragedy into public infringements, a history of warning signs and motivators becomes relevant to the ensuing conversation. Also, “might” is hardly sufficient criteria to impose prior restraints on unalienable rights. And if the  often parroted “If it saves just one life” assertion applies, one could make the case for compulsory background checks and waiting periods before allowing people onto bridges or to buy rope.

But states with highest gun ownership rates have highest suicide rates, the gun-grabbers have argued back, conveniently ignoring the agenda of those promoting that claim. Somehow they don’t find worth mentioning the higher suicides rates in “Gun-free” Japan, and that the U.S. isn’t even in the top 25 “Countries with The Most Suicides in The World”…

Nor do they address higher suicide rates among police, or significantly, among prisoners under total control of the state.

“Black, who identified himself as a veteran who served in combat, insisted he isn’t anti-gun. Firearms in the family’s home are locked and secured,” the Post story continues. That’s manipulative information, to include non sequitur “bona fides” with the proposed infringements. It’s the equivalent of the ubiquitous “I believe in the Second Amendment but”…

It also fails to account for the fact that the estimated 100 million or so U.S. gun owners, like Black himself, will not have to wait. Neither will if affect armed criminals.

“If this is part of a standalone bill, we will be there and talk to anybody,” Black was quoted by VTDigger. “If they are going to tack this onto a larger gun bill, then they don’t even need to call us.”

That’s not the way gun-grabbers work:

One lawmaker, Sen. Phil Baruth, D-Chittenden, has already said he will be proposing new gun safety measures, including a 48-hour waiting period for purchases, this legislative session, which is set to start next month. Also, he has said, the bill will include a tighter gun storage requirement, and banning 3D printed firearms.

They’ll take whatever is surrendered, then come back for another, and another. That’s what they do. And when infringements they impose in one state prove not to work, they’ll place the blame on other states, and demand to impose their edicts nationwide.

No one making such demands will (publicly) consider the possibility of “If it takes one life.”  That’s what happened in the inexcusably outrageous story of domestic violence victim Carol Bowne, stabbed to death while waiting for the State of New Jersey to take its sweet time approving her gun permit.

Perhaps the Blacks should ask Bowne’s surviving and grieving loved ones how waiting periods worked out for them. Not that binding decisions on the rest of us should be made one way or another based on anybody's feelings…


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating / defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament.
He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regular featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

49
Leave a Reply

Please Login to comment
21 Comment threads
28 Thread replies
0 Followers
 
Most reacted comment
Hottest comment thread
41 Comment authors
EdEd WarwickHRColeyJeff HoserHenry Recent comment authors
  Subscribe  
Notify of
Ed Warwick
Guest
Ed Warwick

Suicide in not against the law. Someone who kills their self is in a very deep state of depression where an exit makes them happy. A gun, a knife, pills, plastic bag or a running car for carbon monoxide will not be denied someone who has decided to go. You cannot make them stay. Take away all of the guns and they will not kill their self, fantasy thinking and selfish.

Deplorable Bill
Guest
Deplorable Bill

I am and we should all be sad when someone takes their own life. A good life is wasted, one with some promise and hope for the future. Truly that is sad. However, one should note and remember that the tool has nothing to do with the decision. He could have used aspirin and any other otc meds in enough quantity to do the job. Knife, razor blade, automobile, a jump from a elevated position and even suicide by cop or hapless civilian to name just a few. So the call should be to ban cops, tall buildings, razor blades… Read more »

Chiefton
Guest
Chiefton

And waiting periods for ropes, knives, medicine that can be used for overdose, swimming, or going to tall buildings. These are also all used for suicide and are quite effective.

Douglas G
Guest
Douglas G

I agree Deplorable Bill. Most people with suicidal depression can’t even get out of bed much less go thru a gun purchase at the store. Waiting period or no, this kid took 2 hours before using the gun he bought. Nothing about how that was spent in the article, I imagine it wasn’t reading the owner’s manual, and probably had more to do with the suicide than the gun.

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

Perhaps that time spent penning his obituary,although I suspect that has more to do with his concerned parents that had no clue he was suicidal,that he was contemplating suicide seems to have been news to them and now they want Vermonters to pay for it with the loss of rights.

Ed
Guest
Ed

You may not understand that someone who commits suicide is not in their right mind. Not crazy. Chemical imbalances in the brain as a result of long term, deep depression overwhelm the person to the point that suicide is the only thing, idea that gives them a pleasant positive feeling, which they may have not had any for years. Professional counseling is truly the only thing that will have a positive effect for them.

Ed
Guest
Ed

People who are suicidal are inwardly angry. People are generally angry because they are disappointed and have unfulfilled expectations in life. A gun or a knife is not inherently dangerous, just a method. A plan is a suicidal person with a real plan, not just an idealation ( abstract thought of suicide ). Someone who has attempted suicide before is more likely to make another attempt. Each time they try, they are more successful ( possibly, completely ) than the first time. Someone who is depressed suddenly start to act very happy and possibly give their things away is when… Read more »

Colonialgirl
Guest
Colonialgirl

Gee, I had a fiend commit suicide;
Based on the method used, we had BETTER ban:
Automobiles,
Gasoline,
Vacuum cleaner hoses,
And
Deserted Parking lots.

Rest in Peace my Friend, I KNOW who and what pushed you to that decision on that dark night in the UK.

Patrick Sperry
Guest
Patrick Sperry

I’m not buying this. How many women have died because of draconian laws exactly like this proposed law? I called at least three women dead that were unable to properly and effectively defend themselves because of these do gooder laws. This retired Paramedic knows precisely what laws like this lead too.

Henry
Guest
Henry

Here you go. Consider Bonnie Elmasri. Her ex-husband murdered her and her two “little innocent ones” with his bare hands, during her state’s 48-hour waiting period for a self-defense gun she had purchased. Consider Rayna Ross. She saved her life from her insane, bayonet-wielding Marine ex-husband with a gun she had purchased that same day in Virginia. Consider Catherine Latta. She saved her life within 24 hours of a threat, with a handgun she was forced to buy on the street because her area had a two-to-four week waiting period. Consider Virgen Blanca, Sonya Miller, and Terry Denise Jackson. They… Read more »

Pete
Guest
Pete

Unfortunately too many people would give up the entire Bill of Rights for three square meals a day and two weeks of paid vacation.

Tionico
Guest
Tionico

Some will deem this harsh, but I say it because it is true. I would suggest that Mr. Andrew R Black have a good look in a large mirror. IF he is a good, hand’s on Dad, there is no way he could have NOT been aware of “issues” in his son’s life, and his distraught state of mind. Had he been a proactive, involved Dad, he’d definitely been aware of inappropriate influences (past-times, individuals, activities, interests) and taken action to eliminate or reduce the influences of these things. Had he taken the time to build a one on one… Read more »

Jeff Hoser
Guest
Jeff Hoser

I’ve been – and remain- in that place, Tionico !

James
Guest
James

As an example for others, the father should turn over his own guns to a third party, with instructions not to give them back until 24 hours have passed after a request. Lest he take his own life after simply opening his safe…

Texas Charlie
Guest
Texas Charlie

Just “red flag” him. He seems too distraught over his son’s death to be responsible enough to have firearms right now given the circumstances. In fact, let’s just ‘red flag’ every single parent of every single gun related death and let’s not stop there. We need to ‘red flag’ any victims of gun violence also lest they seek to revenge with a firearm of their own. Also, we need to systematically ‘red flag’ any law enforcement officer that is involved in a shooting in any way since it is obvious that they, too, may have some mental issues after being… Read more »

Richard L
Guest
Richard L

Texas Charlie : Could ” Red Flag” be considered the Government’s way of “Swatting”?

Just asking.

norm smarowski
Guest
norm smarowski

I am trying to find a definitive interpretation of 41 USC 242 which ,I think, prohibits the taking of a right under color of law. Is this so ? thankyou!

Scotty Gunn
Guest
Scotty Gunn

Years ago we had a three day wait. I had several customers buy guns, wait three days , pick them up and about a week later commit suicide. So, long long should we wait?
Why do I have to give up some of my rights and be inconvenienced for others actions? Lately, a big thing here is suicide by car. They drive the wrong way at high speed on a busy interstate and aim for a truck. Waiting period for buying a car?

Mart3
Guest
Mart3

Parents of Mr. Black, my sincerest condolences. Please stop talking about this as though your son, “…having a bad day…” suddenly decided ending his own life was the answer to… what, exactly??? The kid who failed his English test has a bad day. The contestant on a game show who didn’t win something has a bad day. Your getting into a fender bender that disables your car is a bad day. None of these people choose suicide as the answer to their bad day. Your son was so obviously disturbed for a long time, and your blaming a “bad day”… Read more »

sb
Guest
sb

Harsh, but I agree that it was a bigger picture problem not gun laws.
.

duh duh
Guest
duh duh

The hand holding of your family member shouldn’t be defined as EVERYONE IS RESPONSIBLE for your family member. Address the issue within the regulatory background check system for your family member. Action such as court and law enforcement stop action pending review by medical doctors. This family member didn’t JUST HAPPEN to be in this frame of mind or mental condition. Everyone around him heard , listen to him and viewed his actions. It takes a village is ALWAYS the throw away point of making the ENTIRE VILLAGE as the problem.

Proctor
Guest
Proctor

Do they think he could not have had another “bad day” after the waiting period?

Adam
Guest
Adam

It’s sad when someone commits suicide ! Rhode Island has an 8 day wait for purchase of guns , BUT to me after you have purchased your first firearm that 8 day period becomes a moot point ! Let’s say you already have 4 different guns, it makes absolutely no sense to have to wait for purchase, I’d say before you can purchase one make it mandatory to have a safety course and live fire training,just like a drivers license you have drivers training, take the test , and hopefully pass! But you can drive everywhere! But if you fail… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
Editor
Dave in Fairfax

“I’d say before you can purchase one make it mandatory to have a safety course and live fire training,just like a drivers license you have drivers training” Just NO. Equating a privilege, driving, with a Right, is a non-starter. This is prior restraint as well as being an infringement on a constitutional right. I don’t know why it is that people have such a hard time understanding such simple concepts. Being alive gives you the RIGHT to self-defense. That right is through the use of any and all weapons with no restraint or considerations. It is not something that any… Read more »

JoeUSooner
Guest
JoeUSooner

EXCELLENT point!! Thank you.

Tionico
Guest
Tionico

You were running along just fine until you made your statement about MANDATORY training…… WHO gets to decide what that training will be, and WHO puts the course together, and WHO will (profit by) adminster it? And what about the time honoured but now all but dead tradition of Dads taking their children (sons AND daughters) alongside them and instilling both the skills AND a healthy respect for firearms? You cut that out completely, shifting the “responisibility” onto the state, for a fee, of course, which enriches certain well connected individuals…… No, I’ll take a pass on that concept. Anyone… Read more »

Bill N.
Guest
Bill N.

Adam, do you mean a “test” for every gun one might buy? FYI, in moist states one must pass a test which has, in part, a live fire as well as some basic common sense ground rules before you are issued a concealed carry permit.. I see no benefit for a waiting period. Just sayin’.

John Dunlap
Guest
John Dunlap

As others have already pointed out, the problem with mandatory training is that this is a right, not a privilege. I’ve suggested to my legislators several times that firearms safety training should be included as a requirement in public schools. This doesn’t violate anyone’s rights, as it leaves the choice to own or not to own up to the individual. It also creates a legal presumption that every adult already knows how to handle a firearm responsibly. I have always been ignored or rebuffed, demonstrating that schemes to require training, as with all other types of firearms regulations, have nothing… Read more »

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

@ adam

Yours is the best example of why it is a Harassment of peoples Second Amendment right and is the Anti’s feel good violation of such.

George
Guest
George

DemoRATS have used the “Feelings Factor” to get what they want from us for years. Why do you think the
rogue CIA studied so much human behavior ? . And if that doesn’t work, it’s off to GITMO for a little water treatment….

Bob
Guest
Bob

Seems to be more of a case for mental illness identification and assistance than additional gun control. It does always interest me in how the gun becomes the issue and not the person or the mental state of the individual. It is also revealing that Black locks his guns up and does not allow the 23 year old access. Why is that? This young man did not have a Bad Day, he had a troubled life and was crying out for help way before the purchase of the handgun.

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

@ Bob

Which his parents seem to have ignored or were to pre occupied to help him find help.
However they want all Vermonters rights to suffer for their inattention to their supposed beloved son,UnConstitutionally I might add.

Robert Messmer
Guest
Robert Messmer

The Government has no authority to prevent someone from committing suicide. We either own our bodies or we don’t. If we do then the choice to cease is entirely ours. If the choice belongs to the Government then we are nothing but property.

Ansel Hazen
Guest
Ansel Hazen

Exactly. Our government wasn’t created to effect social change. It needs to stay out of all of it.

Patriot
Guest
Patriot

Someone else blaming guns for their sons suicide. They don’t want to blame themselves for the way they raised him or if they ignored signs of suicide.oh its all the guns fault. Now they call for waiting periods. California has had them since the 1950’s, crime has gone up and so has suicide. And what waiting periods do they think would work? 24 hour, 48 hour, one week, one month, two months? Everything is “just save one life”, articles have said 70 to 75000 die of drugs every year, 50000 in car crashes, 1 million of cancer, 1 million of… Read more »

joefoam
Guest
joefoam

The parents failed to recognize and intervene in a suicidal childs life. They don’t want to shoulder any blame so lets make it the guns fault.

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

@ Joe Foam

Their child at age 23 and having been in the service,just when does personal responsibility come into play? One may argue at 23 said child wasn’t a confused minor.

Nathaniel M Ziegler
Guest
Nathaniel M Ziegler

Then the parents should have taught their child at a younger age how to better deal with a bad day. I taught my daughter at a young age that if she has to use drugs or alcohol to deal with life, then she’s not living life right.
He may have had some level of PTSD, that may have contributed, but it’s not the fault of the background check being done in one day. We don’t need extended waiting times for gun purchases.

Greg K
Guest
Greg K

When I was a kid in the late 70’s, Washington State was pushing the “Waiting Period” agenda. My father and I were at the Payless Drug Store to get hunting licenses and tags. On the counter there was a sign explaining it. I simply asked, “Isn’t that Unconstitutional?” The salesman simply replied, “There’s hope yet.”

Get this; that day they made my dad give ID for buying ammo for his pistol. It wasn’t even a law! The local police had requested it…they have been chipping away ever since.

Merry Christmas Everyone!

Will Flatt
Guest
Will Flatt

The fact of the matter is, most ‘liberals’ are actually LEFTISTS and they support all manner of infringements on our liberty. Do this, don’t do that, and you can’t say what’s on your mind through social media (for example). Leftists think they can make America into the perfect socialist utopia, even though everywhere that’s been tried, it’s failed spectacularly. Think Soviet Union, think Venezuela, think California (it’s getting there). In fact, California is the absolute best example of how socialism is working in the USA. Massive homelessness/joblessness, tent cities, welfare, illegal aliens, feces all throughout the streets, onerous regulations killing… Read more »

Vanns40
Guest
Vanns40

I have long said, on this forum and others, that when politicians ask for our votes and tell us they are “pro-Second Amendment” we should demand they answer two questions: “In your first term of office what two Bills will you introduce to repeal existing gun laws?”. If they hesitate or waffle at all tell them they won’t be getting your vote. And keep telling politicians that until we finally get some who will answer correctly. (And not lie to us as Trump did)

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

@ Vanns40

Thank you,I’m going to adopt your questioning of potential candidates.

Wild Bill
Guest
Wild Bill

Yeah, I like it, too. MCAHNY

tomcat
Guest
tomcat

Yea, I’m on board with that. Good idea.

HRColey
Guest
HRColey

Will Flats – Amen. I’m 70 and have witnessed society’s down hill run. I hope I live long enough to see our republic restored and I wish it had reached the “oh, hell no” point when I was still young enough to participate. Let’s just hope that we have enough patriots to carry the day. I figure we’ll be fine as long as we can outnumber the left and the right by maling sure there’s at least one Patriot per each ten
Professional Politicians and their lackeys.

Laddyboy
Guest
Laddyboy

Agreed!

DaveW
Guest
DaveW

The next big push in CA is free medical for everyone. Like a magnet, and just like it was back in the 1960s when CA paid the highest welfare rates, offered free college, etc., people from all over will swarm to CA like lemmings. If you think it is bad now, just wait.

SGM M.
Guest
SGM M.

Here in Washington, after the passage of I-594 and I-1639, we are getting VERY CLOSE! (Too Close!)

Green Mtn. Boy
Guest
Green Mtn. Boy

I understand the parents are grieving and that is natural,I find that most any law that bears someones name is a bad law usually born of grief. It is also UnConstitutional by both the state and federal Constitutions,all in all it makes for bbad spur of the moment law.