Safe or Not to Safe? Which Mechanical Gun Safety is Right for Concealed Carry?

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A 1911 like this new Springfield Armory Range Officer Elite 10mm has the "classic" safety.
A 1911 like this new Springfield Armory Range Officer Elite 10mm has a “classic” thumb safety.

USA –-(Ammoland.com)- I wonder if everyone who carries a concealed pistol goes through the same mental evolution? When I started to carry, I had a subconscious fear that my gun would go off inadvertently while carrying. While I thought about carrying with an empty chamber, I never went quite that far as I recognized that chambering a round in the heat of a self-defense encounter was not a realistic recipe for success. However, I was big on carrying a gun with a manual “safety” of sorts. At the time, my choice was a Beretta 92 FS. I just couldn’t wrap my logical brain around the idea of carrying a gun where a simple trigger movement was all it took to fire a shot.

Of course, with experience, I realized that modern pistols are perfectly safe to carry, with or without a manual safety lever. Whether one prefers an external safety on a pistol is a classic apples and oranges decision. Neither is right nor wrong; they’re just different.

So, what are the mechanical safety choices on the market for today’s concealed carrier? More importantly, what are some pros and cons? Let’s take a look.

Single-Action Safety

The classic example of a true safety lies with the 1911 pistol. I would describe this design as a “hard” safety. When you engage it, by flipping the frame-mounted lever up, it locks everything. The trigger won’t move. Nor will the slide. The gun is essentially inoperable for both firing and administrative actions like chambering a round.

To me, this design represents the definition of manual operation that relies on the care and good habits of the user, kind of like a manual transmission in a car. You have absolute control, but you have to know what you’re doing to run it effectively. From a concealed carry point of view, it’s up to you to train to disengage it at the right time. Just as important, it’s up to you to train to re-engage at the appropriate time – especially before re-holstering.

Striker-Fired Safety

Over the past couple of years, we’ve seen a growing number of previously “pure” striker-fired pistols that have added safety-equipped models to their lineup. For example, the new Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 models offer a variant with a manual safety option. With most, you will notice a difference in the trigger press sensation. Sticking with our example case, the striker-fired M&P 2.0 model I have has a five-pound pull weight with about ½-inch of take-up followed by ¼ of an inch of constant pressure to the break. I also had a manual safety version of the same pistol in for review. The pull weight was heavier at six pounds and there was a detectable slightly gritty “shelf” during the final quarter inch of movement owing to the safety mechanism. Adding a separate safety to a pistol not originally designed for one carries a small cost in this case.

You can order new Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 pistols with or without a manual safety.
You can order new Smith & Wesson M&P 2.0 pistols with or without a manual safety.

Double-Action Safety

Double-action / single-action guns like the classic Sig Sauer P226 and P229 pistols are designed to be inherently “safe” due to their revolver-like heavy and long first trigger press. As with a revolver, there is no technical need for a separate safety device.

If you want to get nitty gritty, that slide-mounted lever on Beretta 92FS pistols isn't technically a safety, but it does disable the trigger.
If you want to get nitty gritty, that slide-mounted lever on Beretta 92FS pistols isn't technically a safety, but it does disable the trigger so it accomplishes the same thing.

However, the double-action first shot feature didn’t squash market demand for a separate safety. For many decades, manufacturers like Beretta have offered double-action / single-action pistols with a safety device – of sorts. The de-cocking lever on the Beretta 92 FS and other similar models performs a “safe” function although it doesn’t lock the trigger and slide like safeties on a single-action pistol. In the Beretta's case, the trigger is disconnected and swings freely until you disengage the safety. The result is similar, it’s just a subtle difference in how the safe function is implemented.

Adding a separate safety to a double-action / single-action pistols isn't a new idea. Walther and others have been doing it for many decades.
Adding a separate safety to a double-action / single-action pistols isn't a new idea. Walther and others have been doing it for many decades.

All the Above

Other double-action / single-action pistols take a different approach that combines single-action and double / single attributes. The FN FNX 45 Tactical and Springfield Armory XD-E pistols operate as double-action / single actions but with a twist. The safety lever actually locks the hammer, sort of like a 1911. So, these pistols can be carried either with the hammer down and safety on or with the hammer cocked and safety engaged for “cocked and locked” operation. It sounds complex but the bottom line is simple. If you disengage the safety and press the trigger, the gun will fire. If the hammer is cocked, the press is light. If the hammer is down, the gun fires in double-action mode.

The Springfield Armory XD-E combines double-action / single-action with a traditional safety that locks the hammer. You can carry it hammer down or cocked and locked, but the company recommends hammer down.
The Springfield Armory XD-E combines double-action / single-action with a traditional safety that locks the hammer. You can carry it hammer down or cocked and locked, but the company recommends hammer down.

No External Safety

Ever heard of a company called Glock? Just kidding! But seriously, this pistol is the standard for “safety-less” design, at least in terms of an external lever that either locks or disconnects the trigger. Glocks, Springfield Armory XD series, Smith & Wesson M&Ps, Sig Sauer P320s, and plenty of other popular pistols are designed to be carried and used without an external safety lever. Of course, these pistols almost always have several internal safeties that prevent firing unless the trigger is pressed, the slide is fully in battery, and so on.

Most striker-fired pistols in this class split the difference with the trigger press weight. While double-actions require 10 to 12 pounds of pressure for the initial pull and single-action pistols are usually four pounds or fewer, striker-fired pistols normally operate in the five to six-pound trigger weight range. The thinking is that the internal safeties combined with a heavier than single-action press are adequate for carry safety.

So, what’s the right answer? That depends primarily on you and your comfort level and carry method. There’s nothing wrong with carrying a gun that has no manual safety provided it was designed to operate that way. In fact, most law enforcement officers do exactly that on a daily basis. If you choose a deeper concealment method without the rigidity of a firm leather or Kydex holster (think undershirt) you might want the peace of mind of an extra mechanical safety. If you carry in a purse or bag, you might want the same. Or maybe you just feel more comfortable with that extra step between holstered and firing.

Over the past couple of years, I’ve drifted to the “no manual levers” approach. While I love a good 1911 as much as the next guy, I’ve been favoring capacity and simplicity. While you can get a single-action design with a double-stack magazine, there are far more options on the market in striker-fired and double-action / single-action packages. For me, there’s a lot to be said for “simple, simple, simple…”

How about you? Let us know what style of mechanical gun safety you prefer to carry?


Tom McHale
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Tom McHale is the author of the Practical Guides book series that guides new and experienced shooters alike in a fun, approachable, and practical way. His books are available in print and eBook format on Amazon. You can also find him on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Pinterest.

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    Colonialgirl
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    Colonialgirl

    Your Concealed Carry weapon WONT go BANG !
    IF you keep your booger hook OFF the trigger when you pull it; Just being in the holster wont make it go BANG either,

    JJJ
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    JJJ

    Anyone who works in professional risk assessment will tell you that you don’t understand risk. Virtually no one would have a car accident either if everyone were 100% careful 100% of the time. Most homeowners claims are not externalities and involve some degree of negligence yet by your logic homeowners liability is a always a waste. The fact is over a given decade more than 10,000 ND are reported, and given lots are unreported the number is certainly much higher. Many of those ND are by lifetime firearms owners making on mistake in the tens of thousands of times they… Read more »

    Tad
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    Tad

    I can tell you, if you Can Not draw your weapon and place the first round on Target in less than 3 Three {3} Seconds, your probably in trouble anyway.
    Practice, Practice, Practice, The Most Expensive Round You Shoot Will Do No Good Unless It Hits It’s Target !

    Pa John
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    Pa John

    What I’d like to see is many typical polymer striker fired designs WITH a DA/SA trigger AND a decocker mechanism of some sort built in, just as a matter of a “standard available option”. At the end of the day, you should not have to do a daily routine of: Drop the magazine, rack the slide to empty the chamber, and then DRY FIRE the firearm to release the compressed striker / firing pin spring. That is unnecessary wear and tear on a daily basis, and the alternative of simply keeping the firing pin spring fully compressed for days /… Read more »

    Jim
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    Jim

    Canik makes a striker fired polymer framed 9mm handgun with a decocker and a double action trigger, the TP9DA.

    Alan R De Paolo
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    Alan R De Paolo

    I am ALL for a manual safety!

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    99.8% of people will NEVER be good enough/disciplined enough to remember or not fumble with a manual safety under extreme stress. Rob Leatham (if I remember correctly; my apologies if I did not) recently lost a match because he forgot to disengage his safety and I’ll guarantee that he has and DOES shoot more than any of us here. I like the grip safety on the Springfield Armory XD series, the XDe excepted. Virtually idiot-proof and completely automatic. ALSO, do NOT get a pistol with a magazine disconnect safety! Numerous reasons as to why that arguments to the contrary do… Read more »

    JJj
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    JJj

    Firstly my sr22 has a mag disconnect and I am glad it does. It is a target and training pistol. Even for carry gun, especially for open carry, it can be helpful since the gun owner is aware of its presence and in a struggle for the gun, if good guy getting a finger on the mag disconnect is easier that pulling the whole gun away, they can reduce risk of being shot with their own gun (this is why a lot of beat cops prefer mag disconnect guns). Also everyone’s home defense scenario is different, for some people with… Read more »

    Douglas Rhoads
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    Douglas Rhoads

    I have a sig double over single 45 auto, you can carry on a loaded chamber ready to go, long and heavy trigger pull you are not going to fire accidentally. I also have a Ruger 357 revolver it is always ready to fire, no safety but very safe to carry. As far as I am concerned those are the safest and most effective options.

    Ed Dane
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    Ed Dane

    Great article! I’m glad to hear that I’m not alone in my carry evolution! My first concealed carry was a small revolver and I never worried much about the lack of a manual safety. Then I discovered the world of striker fired pistols. I didn’t feel comfortable carrying IWB without a manual safety so I opted for the shield with a safety, great little pistol by the way. My good friend and shooting buddy has always been a glock guy and we have had a lot of fun and “colorful” discussions about the need or want of a safety. Well… Read more »

    Robert Thomas
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    Robert Thomas

    Springfield XD9. It won’t go bang unless the backstrap safety is depressed and the glock type trigger pulled. Pretty much the same function as my old 38 special snubbie. I don’t want to have to think too much about how to make the gun shoot. If I need it, it should make a loud noise when I pull the trigger.

    JoeUSooner
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    JoeUSooner

    Agreed. I carry an XD9, and am perfectly happy with it. Safe, reliable, fast, and high capacity.

    JP Jones
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    JP Jones

    Excellent editorial. Let your situational awareness decide. No wrong answers here. Here in the USA, we are fortunate to have many options available to us.

    Steve Richards
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    Steve Richards

    All the “resident pro’s ” have weighed in on this I see.
    I say, “to each their own”. But…..the next time one on you mental midget’s with yer Glock, get in the stall next to me in the Walmart and drop your rig on the floor……I’m just gonna shoot YOU thru the stall!
    If you think you’re that infallible, you can carry a piece without a manual safety………just kindly keep your distance! And practise a whole bunch.

    JDL
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    JDL

    “All the “resident pro’s ” have weighed in on this I see.”

    Not true until after your post.

    Your gun ignorance is astounding!

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    Glock firing when dropped?? You’ve been watching too much TV. (The new version of SWAT showed that exact thing in an early episode. Shame – but of course Hollywood has none.)

    Mr Evilwrench
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    Mr Evilwrench

    I carry a 1911 action Para 12+1 cocked and locked. I do NOT use the thumb safety except when I’m removing it from the holster with no intention to fire it. The first safety is keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard, and the grip safety is good after that. Point of historical perspective: JMB developed the pistol as the 1910 with no thumb safety. He added it only when the cavalry generals demanded it.

    James
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    James

    well.
    my carry guns vary depending on the year and weather, mostly i carry a wheel gun, but at times i carry one of my 1911’s or a 9MM.
    and when i carry a wheel gun it’s a 357 mag loaded with 38 special 125 grain hydro shock ammo.
    muscle memory is automatic with me, like putting your seat belt on before i even start up my truck.
    all folks are different with different experiences when it comes to firearms, i am no different, one does what BEST suits them.

    Joe D
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    Joe D

    I’m with Bill G. It is ready to go. I carry a 9 IWB in the back, a Ruger LCP II in front pocket both with one in chamber and full clip. When it is cold weather I some times carry my Ithaca 45, I love that pistol, in a big jacket pocket. I carry any of them with jacketed hollow points. I have a green dot armalaser on most of my pistols also. Some of the pistols have the slide and sights the same color, I fix that with finger nail polish, front one color and rear sight another.… Read more »

    Steve Richards
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    Steve Richards

    What’s a “clip” for? Does it keep your hair out of your eyes?

    Joe D
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    Joe D

    Well, Steve when I got back from Nam oh better spell it out for you, Vietnam, I did grow my hair long and a beard also. I didn’t every use a hair clip though, just a head band. If you are referring to the finger nail polish. Try seeing the sights on a pistol that the slide and sights are the same color. A clip is the same as a magazine and I am not referring to the magazine you may read, it’s the one that holds more ammo in case you may need a back up shot.

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    Joe D, no a clip is not the same as a magazine, and in ‘nam, if you used an M-16, it wasn’t clip-fed, it was mag-fed. I understand older guys still refer to mags as clips, but the last firearm that our military used, as far as I am aware, that was clip-fed was the Garand. Steve was just pulling your leg. We all understood that you meant mag. Do you also call your spent brass casings or properly call them cases? If you look at a cartridge diagram showing the parts of a cartridge, it shows primer, case, propellant,… Read more »

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    A clip holds rounds in preparation for loading INTO a magazine.

    Firewagon
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    Firewagon

    No thinking, no ‘fine motor skills’ required, I want one thing to happen as fast as possible, without any added movement, and that is that my ‘border repeller’ go BANG when I want it to! The average gunny should develop enough skill to get at least one round on target in under 2 seconds from his CCW. The more skilled can do 2 rds on target consistently in 1.5 seconds, give or take a tenth or two; the ‘best of the best’ regularly git-er-dun in 1 second or slightly less! I’m just in the middle of the pack, certainly no… Read more »

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    Firewagon, I like my PX4 Storm, full-frame in .45 cal. Using the right cover garment, I can carry CC both Summer and Winter. A good gun belt and holster, it is quite comfortable all day. I have two 10-round mags and one 9, but typically just carry the two, giving me 21 rounds (one chambered, of course).

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    A decent (not proficient or even VERY good) shooter should be able to place six shots on target at six yards from the holster in two seconds or less. Practice, practice, practice . . . .

    Larry
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    Larry

    As I’ve moved to more intensive training and drawing from concealed, I’ve also transitioned from a Sig P220 Carry SAO, with a mechanical safety, to the Sig P320 RX, full size, with no mechanical safety.

    The ease of quick, flowing presentation, and getting on target, without having to make that safety move, has made a significant difference in my confidence and shot result. (I also lightened the trigger so that its at the same level as the P220)

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    I have shot and carried all types. Whatever you choose to carry that day just be proficient and safe with it. That is all that really matters. I’ll tell a story on myself. Long ago I was shooting an IDPA match. I had been using a KP95DAO and had recently switched to a KP95DC. I loaded up for the string and holstered. Before the RO activated the timer I had a funny feeling and looked down at the gun in the holster. The hammer was cocked. I corrected that but it shook me up so badly that I missed the… Read more »

    Firewagon
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    Firewagon

    “….shot and carried all types….” True story, Reader’s Digest compressed (I hope): Sheriff was a fast man with his duty sidearm. One day, at home, he was asked to escort a stranger to check out some ‘non-dangerous’ situation – don’t recall exactly what that was – or, so the Sheriff thought it was fairly safe. Instead of strapping on his duty rig, he opted to just stuff a revolver in his waistband. After some distance walking, the ‘stranger’ turned on the Sheriff, pulled a .38, and shot him. The Sheriff, with his regular gear, probably could have shot the guy… Read more »

    Ben
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    Ben

    No need for a safety on a carry gun with the trigger guarded in the holster. Check out this video about how glock safe action works. I’d still never appendix carry and have it pointing at the boys.

    Roy D.
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    Roy D.

    Last year I replaced both the striker and trigger bar on my 2006 Glock 19. They were both worn enough that it had started doubling. Replacing just one of those didn’t work, it took both of them for it to run correctly. Probably 30,000 rounds a good many of which were +P+ or +P++ (125 JHP at 1330 fps). It was not safe to shoot much less carry in any manner but it is just like new now.

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    Appendix carry is fine, even with a Glock, but you must (or at least SHOULD) remove the holster, insert pistol and then reinsert the holster with the pistol in the holster. Every time.

    Charles Moore
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    Charles Moore

    Again, practice, practice, practice. My first two duty holsters, a Don Hume “Jordan” holster with my 4″ HB stainless GP100 and a Safariland with a Glock 22 did not cover the trigger. Placing my finger into the trigger guard after clearing the holster was my standard practice. No problems in many stressful “at gunpoint” situations. One with every last possible ounce of pressure on the trigger used up. (Very uncooperative individual driving a car belonging to the victim of a shooting a few hours earlier with the sawed-off rifle that was used alongside his right leg.)

    Jim Boyd
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    Jim Boyd

    It never ends of course ! You are always going to have doubts about safety vs speed and power. I can’t get myself to trust a striker fired weapon without a real manual safety. And I won’t carry a gun with an empty chamber either. In the sixties I carried a Beretta 34 hammer down, safety off for years . A mechanical failure got me out of that and into a Walther PPK .380 w/ Super Vel for decades after that . A round in the chamber manual safety off , I relied on the hammer block internal safety for… Read more »

    Dave Morgan
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    Dave Morgan

    Guess I am not as hard to please as many…After having a 380 in my dinner bucket, then a Springfield 45 on belt for a few years, I was able to have a 9 mm model 17 Glock…It feels good, safe, secure, has original trigger…Was offered a new improved trigger, but stihl think more magazines are more important to spend extra money on than a light trigger…I do find it difficult to go back to a 9 mm ‘short’ again…Maybe that has to do with a short term affair with the 45…9 mm does have some nice loads available now..

    Tionico
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    Tionico

    Carried a Kahr K 40 for quite a few years, much to like about that piece. No safety of any kind except for the one between my ears. Never even a close call. But, the constant news stream since about the time the Ferguson nonsense began to accelerate, I thought.. WHAT IF I were to become, through no unsafe decision on MY part, I found myself in a jam with a couple dozen toughs bent on mayhem. The Kahr, with one spare mag, only gives me 13 chances. SO I dusted off an old Belgian built =Browning Hi Power. Stock… Read more »

    Heed the Call-up
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    Heed the Call-up

    I am a firm believer in no external safeties. I remember when I was very little, my father telling me to never trust a safety, and in my firearm training classes, that is also always a point drilled home – safeties are mechanical devices that can fail. My favorite handguns are my Beretta PX4 Storms in 9mm, sub-compact, and .45 cal., full-frame. Neither has an external safety, and both are DA/SA and I really like them. I got my .45 about a 1 1/2 ago and like it even more than my 9mm. Heavier recoil, but the recoil is more… Read more »

    Bill G
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    Bill G

    In the heat and confusion of a real self-defense encounter, you lose fine motor skills and can fumble with a manual safety (or worse, trying the rack the slide to fill an empty chamber) and get yourself killed. Anything that stands in the way of drawing and firing your weapon is too great a risk. As mentioned earlier, get all the training and practice (dry fire drawing and shooting is great) you need to feel fully comfortable in your abilities and to build muscle memory so you don’t have to think about drawing, sight picture (if there’s time) and firing… Read more »

    Deplorable Bill
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    Deplorable Bill

    I have carried a 1911 since issued one in 1979-daily. Having competed with it both in the military and as a civilian, I have never had an AD, never a safety failure. Wither you have a 6 round version or a 14 round version, it is THE weapon against which all others are judged. The series 80 types have an internal safety that supplements the grip and thumb safeties. Cocked and locked carried for many many years and never a problem. To give you an idea about round count I would typically send 2,000 rounds down range each weekend when… Read more »

    tomcat
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    tomcat

    @Tom McHale That is exactly what I have been thinking, it doesn’t take a thought process to drop the safety then fire. It just takes getting use to. My worse problem was getting use to carrying with one in the chamber. Time is of the essence.

    John Turk
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    John Turk

    You also have to consider the possibility of someone else pulling the trigger. Even a playful child. If someone grabs my sidearm at least they will have to disengage the safety, giving me that split second (or longer!) to react.

    LONE WOLF
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    LONE WOLF

    I personally been shooting for 54 years. I was a hunter education instructor for 20 of those years. I don’t own a gun that doesn’t have a manual safety other than my revolvers. I just have always believed that you can’t be to safe. Once the trigger is pulled, whether intentionally or accidentally, you can’t get that bullet back. And always practice good firearms safety!

    EV
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    EV

    Have you ever tried a Para-Ordnance LDA? It’s built on a 1911 frame but is a double-action with an extremely light long pull with every shot fired. It cannot be “thumb-cocked.” It has both a thumb safety as well as grip safety. I carry it with the thumb safety engaged. When deployed, the thumb safety is easily disengaged…ready to fire. I have long since put away all the standard 1911 style firearms in strong preference for the Para-Ordnance LDA’s. Safe, Simple & Quick! I highly recommend them!

    Richard Ricketts
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    Richard Ricketts

    What about the HK p7. Squeeze cocker. If not squeezed cannot be shot. Heavy, complex but safe.

    Damon Raimondi
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    Damon Raimondi

    I always run a safety then again I carry a 1911

    nate
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    nate

    S&W 39, 696, 5904. Formed the habit of engaging the hammer block/safety when holstering, dis-engaging once holstered. Took just a few days to form the habit back in the 80’s and insures that there’ll be no bullet in the foot or other undesirable places. I replaced the hammer spring and did a trigger job so that first shot is quite a bit lighter than stock. Light triggers dictate additional precautions.

    Michael Bromley
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    Michael Bromley

    I recently acquired a Sig Sauer P320 M17. I had the option of getting one wither with or without a manual safety. I got the one with the manual safety because I wanted the model as close as possible to the military issue variant. I use it now but how much I do in the future remains to be seen.

    Mark Berg
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    Mark Berg

    I carried a HI Power all my life, after starting with walther P38 about 60 years ago…I put up with the coked and locked and it was somewhat dangerous, but in a shoulder rig, with a safety button snap, it worked..I have tried all kinds of 1911 models, and hated them all, 45 is too much to begin with, and never liked them…I settled on CZ75 years ago, they are reliable as a hi power, 9 mm , with a d cocker..CZ75D C, hardly a compact with 15+1, and slightly lighter with aluminum frame…I tried the FNS with safety trigger,… Read more »

    Mike the Limey
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    Mike the Limey

    1911 cocked & locked or Hi-Power, round in the chamber with the hammer down & safety on.
    That extra movement to cock the hammer doesn’t take a split second.

    Firewagon
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    Firewagon

    Way bak-in-tha-day, I used to carry a Browning HiPower, cocked & safety on, in a strap over snap holster – the strap in front of the cocked hammer. Got decent at getting it going; however, it was still SLOW. Too much going on, including that safety, which on the HiPower is not that intuitive to get ‘disengaged.’ Under some stress induced adrenalin dump, I could envision all manner of ‘stuff’ taking place capturing those “split seconds.” I carry a far different animal than my ‘trusty’ old pal, and can easily get two shots on target, @ 22ft, in <2 seconds… Read more »

    Generic Name
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    Generic Name

    Have carried a 1911 cocked-n-locked for 40 years, have never had a negligent or accidental discharge and still have all my body parts. Don’t listen to the fear mongering negative Nancy’s

    DBM
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    DBM

    Series 80 1911s have a trigger safety. All 1911 have a grip safety. Dont touch the trigger and the gun won’t go boom.

    Wolverine
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    Wolverine

    Best safety combination is the Colt automatic double safety. Standard style lever trigger lock combined with a pistol grip safety. Can carry confidently with a round chambered. Have been carrying for 40+ years with no accidental discharges.

    Rich
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    Rich

    There is another approach that I am surprised others have not thought of because I’m not that smart. I carry with a “varmit round” (small shot) chambered. In the unlikely event I have an accidental discharge (has never happened yet), it will do far less damage than a HP or FMJ. With a semi-auto a follow-up round is a split second away if needed. Not a perfect idea but it makes me feel more comfortable.

    John
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    John

    The reason this isn’t viable is that when you intend to fire that “varmit round” you will be intentionally reducing the effectiveness of your first shot. The split second you waste trying to get your effective ammunition into the fight might be your last. You would be much better served getting some quality training so you have confidence and skill to use your firearm properly. As far as it “has never happened yet” sounds like you are just waiting for your negligent discharge. Whoever gets hit by your negligence won’t care if it did less damage, they will sue you… Read more »

    Rich
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    Rich

    Most defensive gun uses do not involve firing a single shot. You are correct, it does reduce the first rounds effectiveness but a second shot is a split second away. I have been around firearms all my life and continue to train regularly. The moment you believe yourself sufficiently trained and “immune” from accidental discharges, you are in trouble.

    Jim
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    Jim

    I’m just wondering why this philosophy doesn’t appear to apply to long guns which are inherently safer than handguns? I can’t think of a long gun that does not have a manual safety ( I’m sure there are some). I don’t care how you carry if you are willing to take the responsibility of carrying a gun without a manual safety when you shoot yourself or someone else when you drop it and reflexively try to catch it (I personally know two guys that shot themselves with Glocks doing this) or have it hang up on something when you are… Read more »

    hillhunter
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    hillhunter

    Excellent question!! I guess the answer would be because we don’t usually holster or “scabbard” our long guns. Regardless and great question and should be a great conversation starter at the club, range or LGS. Kudos!

    David Morgan
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    David Morgan

    Pardon me for posting more than once, as far as carrying the lessor dangerous round in case of a miss fire=I see absolutely no point in doing that…If one is scared of a mis fire=buy a pistol with a hammer and decocker, they work well…Friend bought a .22 Ruger with hammer and decocker built into the safety-I found that as safe as ‘my long guns’ probably more so…Carry with hammer down, modern hand gun works as it is double action the first shot then single onward…A very handy little hand gun, the Ruger with hammer-decocker, safe as any gun that… Read more »

    Roy F. Wilt
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    Roy F. Wilt

    The Safety on the FNX-45 is the best I’ve seen!