Impeachment Probe Can Derail ‘Gun Deal’ — if White House Lets It

You’ll notice the guy with the nuclear football will be insisting on full due process for himself. (The White House Facebook / imgflip)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Impeachment probe puts federal gun law deal in limbo,” The Connecticut Post reported Thursday. “New federal gun laws may be an early casualty of the enmity between President Donald Trump and congressional Democrats who have just launched an impeachment probe of the president.”

That was my reaction two days earlier after seeing the blaring headlines on Drudge.

“It looks like ‘universal background checks’ and ‘red flag laws’ are on the back burner,” I surmised.  Even so, noting that Mr. Trump now really needs to keep his supporters rallied, a tweet from the president came across as bizarrely counterproductive:

“The Democrats are so focused on hurting the Republican Party and the President that they are unable to get anything done because of it, including legislation on gun safety, lowering of prescription drug prices, infrastructure, etc. So bad for our Country!”

Really? Now’s the time to demotivate the gun owners who put him in office? Not coming up with new infringements is what’s “bad”?

Evidently that attitude came as a surprise to gun-grabbing Senator Chris Murphy, too. He told the Post he assumed his support for impeachment would derail the deal.  Instead, the White House reached out to him with assurances:

“They were pushing back on my pessimism,” Murphy said. “I’m glad to continue to talk to the White House.”

And of course, he described the “deal” offered up by the unsurprisingly disappointing AG William Barr as “flawed,” meaning it was not enough. News flash to Republicans: It never will be. The Dems will happily snap up every concession you offer them and then turn around and smear you as “extremists” and “pawns of the NRA” who “never compromise” as they advance step-by-step to the next goal, and then the one after that.

Why that lesson is evidently so hard for the GOP to learn is baffling. It’s enough to make you think they know perfectly well what’s going on, but need to continue with the “good cop/bad cop” charade until they no longer do.

So what is Donald Trump doing? Is he offering another “3D chess” feint to distract from the impeachment probe and keep it from going any further? Is he dragging thing on to keep the gun bills from advancing? Is he showing his true nature and figuring he can get away with whatever he wants because desperate gun owners have no other place to go?

If so, that’s a miscalculation, because like it or not, there are gun owners who have had it and are talking about giving up on elections and drawing lines in the sand. If Trump wants to win in 2020, he has to realize he can’t afford to give up those votes.

Through his own words and actions, this president, elected in large part on a “pro-gun” platform, has created tremendous doubt within the gun owner community. The fallout could result in a virulently anti-gun Democrat capturing the Oval Office, and then showing us what s/he can really do to expand on executive orders – especially if continued Republican fecklessness and betrayals result in the Senate turning blue as well.

As terrible as that prospect seems, there’s another concern that can’t be left unsaid if radical Democrat overreach makes the Party implode and Trump manages to get himself reelected in 2020: If he’s willing to betray us now, when he needs us, what won’t he dare sign when he's secured a second term and no longer does?


About David Codrea:David Codrea

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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I find it interesting, how many people claim to support or be concerned for individual rights as listed by the constitution as being offlimits from government interferance. It is also worth noting how quickly some individuals decide you don’t have a right to make choices based on your own principles, that making a vote by not making a vote is not allowed in their view, and if you plan on it you need to “sit down and shut up” if you don’t fall in line with what they order you to do. How interesting that people who claim to want… Read more »

Will
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Will

@Rev,how’s it going brother ? Interesting day ain’t it ?

TheRevelator
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@Will

Meh, bout the same as always. Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right, and here I am…….

You’d think if some people were going to be hypocritical liars that they would put more thought into it, or at least try to disguise it better.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, are you talking about Adam Schief (sp)?

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill

Nah, hypocrites in general, whether slithering through the halls of congress, or writing online regardless of party.

He was one who came to the forefront of thought as I typed however, among many.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill

Hope you are well today and have that Barbeque money squared away.

If you make it on, you may notice most of my comments now all have a single negative downvote, or ones that had a plus 1 are now even at zero. Apparently, I wrecked the little world of one individual who has decided to go “Full Retard”. He is now careening through articles trying to make sure everything I write gets a downvote while tears stream down his face.

Quite hilarious to watch. Take care.

Knute
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Knute

Exactly the principal that has been used against us by the ruling elite for centuries:
“everyone would like to become a dictator if only he could, and rare indeed are the men who would not be willing to sacrifice the welfare of all for the sake of securing their own welfare.” -Protocol Numero Uno.

TheRevelator
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@Knute

Here is the real question though. What happens when the excuse of “Welfare of all” is used by the ruling elite for control and slowly weakening those they wish to rule?

What I described above is on the individual scale, and that does fit an essence of the quote you provided, even though it isn’t the elite doing it but instead those in whom the elite have instilled fear and uncertainty into.

The quote which will always be most applicable is “Those who are willing to trade essential liberty for temporary security deserve and often receive neither.”

Thanks for the comment.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

Wow, another negative vote from a coward. Already know who it is, since I upset them the other day by telling them the truth about their preferred candidate after they attacked others for refusing to vote for them. 🙂 Gotta love how someone who is supposed to be a grown man goes around trying to put a negative vote on every single reply one individual makes as a petty form of revenge because their 5 year old mentality wasn’t able to argue against what I said to them. Seems they just cant get out of their own way fast enough… Read more »

Greg K
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Interesting, yesterday I used the term, “ideology distillery.” We all have come to eating our own, rather than being a bit more inclusive. Kind of takes us from the original mission of possibly planting a lucid thought in a progressive mind, so that they may take it back and infect the collective.

Am curious Rev, does your world really revolve around how many upvotes you get? You’re bigger than that. Screw em!

TheRevelator
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@Greg K The way I’m speaking about it should give a clue as to how little that stupid little up and down vote feature is. Back when ammoland made the format change I predicted much of this would happen, that such behavior would be the norm. In the meantime, I’m just having fun infuriating the guy. 😛 He knows who he is, and anyone who has watched my comments over the last week should know as well. If he wants to show everyone how pathetic his own belief structure is by allowing me to manipulate him in this way and… Read more »

Frank45
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Impeachment by the House first, then trial in the Senate. For gun nuts obsessed with the 2nd Amendment … you maybe should read the whole Constitution. They won’t impeach because trial in the Senate is hopeless, most of the GOP is complicit. Addicted to power and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (just like the D’s) 🙂

Further “due process” will be his indictment and conviction after his term ends one way or another. Again, try reading.

Frank45
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Frank45

A test? Can’t wait. Do I need to load the Peacemaker?

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

You will be only allowed a slide rule!

(Most people don’t even know what that is these days. Of those that do, only a small amount actually knows how to use one.)

RoyD
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RoyD

I really liked the circular slide rule I got in the eighth or ninth grade.

Frank45
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Frank45

Oh I’m old … all I ever learned on slide rule was multiplication.

tomcat
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tomcat

@ Charlie, You mean like the one in my desk that has been there for years

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

Impeachment in the House may still happen without a guaranteed trial in the Senate. Also, Bill Clinton’s trial failed in the Senate after impeachment in the House, which provides an example of what can happen. Also, if President Trump continues to be the loose cannon he is, he may convince enough Republican Senators to convict him to clear the way for an alternate Republican candidate. This s**t show is just getting started and there are no guarantees, other than higher taxes in the end.

Rock R
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Rock R

All of you who have so much trouble with Trump, may I humbly ask are you running for President or where is your “Perfect” candidate ???? Especially those of you who will not vote for the least of two evils,, please name this “perfect” candidate so we can all get behind he/she … I have been voting since Nixon and have not seen one yet that I would say I totally agreed with on every issue… As much as some on this and so many sites think that they live and breathe Guns and Ammo, there are a tremendous amount… Read more »

Wild Bill
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@Rock, Yeah, our Constitutional Rights are only one election away from extinction. If we have not the energy or dedication to get up and vote, where will we find the energy and dedication to prosecute war?

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill Our rights are always one election away from extinction, and they always will be. So let me ask you this way. If going out and mechanically voting was enough to save the Constitution, why has that been a continual failure over the last century no matter which party held power? The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I can give you historical context, I can give you quotes from our founders, I can explain exactly what the solution is if you want me to.. Here’s the thing. Ultimately, the… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, I’d love to read your solution. Fire for effect.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill Part 1 Lets start by explaining the false premise. The question is not “Not having the will to vote.” Too often people who actively make a choice are accused of apathy in an attempt to delegitimize the argument they are presenting without having to make a case against them involving facts. It is one of the two main false premises that are thrown at people to try and force them to comply with another individuals demands, the idea being that the consequences of being labeled will silence or influence the target(Think of Dems calling everyone racist). Of the… Read more »

TheRevelator
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@Wild Bill Part 2 So what then shall we consult, where should we first turn when it seems darkest for our futures? When you don’t know where to start, go back to the beginning! Our founding document, the Declaration of Independence, stated that it is human nature to endure abuses and put up with those things that may seem trivial at the time, such lesser abuses as to not wholly reduce an individual into physical or political slavery immediately, but when a long list of abuses and usurpations envince a design to reduce a people despotism then it is not… Read more »

TheRevelator
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@Wild Bill Part 3 I could write a full book, slowly going through founder after founder, yet I know there are those who will not heed history or its warnings. The solution which many wish to cast their eyes away from is that which our founders tried to educate us on, even at the great cost they took upon themselves, the ruin that many of them suffered both financially and personally. We must stand, even against those who would portray themselves amongst our number, both vigilant and with determination that none may violate that which is our birthright no matter… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

“The solution which many wish to cast their eyes away from is that which our founders tried to educate us on, … We must stand, even against those who would portray themselves amongst our number, both vigilant and with determination that none may violate that which is our birthright no matter who they are!”

Well it is a little long, but I can’t disagree. A guy ought to do what he thinks is best after considering the options and the consequences.

TheRevelator
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@Wild Bill

That is the intent of why I am here, and what my handle was chosen for. To make an informed choice, all sides must be looked at, all evidence examined, and the consequences of each choice measured.

“Veritas Lux Mea, Veritas Numquam Perit”
Words to consider.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

So your issue is: “…whether or not voting for a party knowing that their betrayal may be less than standing against the alternative.”

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill No my issue is Human Nature and instinctual responses to override rational thought. “He whose ear listens to the life giving reproof will dwell among the wise. He who neglects discipline despises himself, but he who listens to reproof acquires understanding.” My job is the most reviled. I’m not here to force anyone to change their opinions, or to go forgo their rights. I’m here to provide accountability against human nature. I inform so that none may say the were not warned or lacked in foreknowledge. For that reason, those who claim to be for the common good… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Ok, on to Part 2

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill Ok, so those are the first three responses I have for you. I can keep going if you like. Ultimately we must be the ones to stand and defend our constitutional rights. I know you understand that the NRA has betrayed us routinely and cannot be trusted, that Wayne Lapierre must go for the corruption to be cleaned out. It’s the same with the republican party. They will not defend the constitution, and often times are just as guilty of violating it (Patriot act anyone?) We are at a point in time where kicking the can down the… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, Looks like that was a lot of work. I just got in. I need time to digest it all. We are not in a hurry, are we?

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill In my defense, you did say fire for effect. No hurry at all brother. Kept the sources for the quotes mostly to two individuals for this one, and I will probably do the same if I continue some of these. I get it, I just sent that after message once I got home from taking care of my folks place. Take a day if you need to, read over it a few times, and mull it around. I’m not in that much of a hurry since turning our country around and getting it back on track will not… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Rev, Now is exactly the time to primary the bad candidates and find one that hasn’t “been corrupted yet”!
I got to get going or there will be no barbecue money!

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill

It’s 10pm here and I just got home. I understand things are going on. Respond as you are able. When you hang some meat over the flame, I hope you will still be thinking of what we are discussing.

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

Given that you will vote for the candidate with the (R) behind it anyway, you will have no leverage whatsoever and are at the mercy of a benevolent dictator. A Republican President can actually successfully enact gun control, because he doesn’t have to fear the electorate. President Trump has caused more gun control in his first two years in office than President Obama did in 8. Who is the lesser evil here? The candidate who threatens things but can’t get them done because we are united against him, or the candidate who promises to be pro-gun, splits the gun community… Read more »

Rock R
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Rock R

I disagree… The R’s still are a majority in the Senate… A lot of them don’t go with everything DJT says … That is why we vote.. We may not agree with everything DJT says but we have other chambers that can block him… I agree with you on civil war or at least hope that would never happen.. However, I think what Obama did on 2A was worse than Trump but i also look at more than 2A actions, which I believe was more the NRA and Trump’s lack of knowledge …. Which I blame on the corrupt NRA… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

It was the President’s lack of firearms knowledge and the fight put on by actual gun rights organizations, like the FPC, SAF and GOA, that put an end to President Trump’s recent quest for gun control. There was an actual majority in the Senate to pass moderate gun control legislation. Thankfully, President Trump is incompetent and those Senators did not wanted to lean out of the window too far during an election cycle. What did President Obama accomplish that was worse than what President Trump accomplished in terms of gun rights? Did President Obama managed to ban $100,000,000 worth of… Read more »

buzzsaw
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CF, you are exactly right about the significance of the bump stock situation. Of course, every gun law passed since 1791 that does not increase the ability of We The People to obtain the finest and most capable arms available is flat out unconstitutional. There’s no way around it. It says what it says. Which is why the courts don’t want to touch it. Even the Miller decision which upheld the NFA for short barreled shotguns saying because they were not of military utility, they were not protected by the Second Amendment. By the same token, the AR-15 is not… Read more »

Rock R
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Rock R

How quickly we forget what really happened during the Obama years… There was a lot of resistance to Obama’s gun control and sometimes things don’t get pressed because of resistance and being the “wrong time…” Also remember, it is not necessarily what you get done, but what you get STARTED in politics that counts… All the “we are not here to take your guns away” BS from Obama has inspired these Yellow Snow Flake Millenniums to proclaim: “HELL YES, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE YOUR AR-15s and AK47s !!!! “ What is said in public and behind the scene strategies… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

President Obama tried a lot of things and rarely succeeded because we resisted. We were united and organized. President Trump tried only a few things and he succeeded on more than President Obama, because most of us didn’t care. We were divided and disorganized. As far as bump stocks go, they didn’t exist until a few years ago and they got approval by President Obama’s ATF. Then, President Trump thought he should ban them, so he did and most gun owners simply don’t care (including you). David Codrea IS SUING the DOJ, so is Gun Owners of America and the… Read more »

Frank45
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Frank45

Kamala Harris.
But settle for Liz Warren.

You know “Pocahontas”

Will
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Will

Troll !

Frank45
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Frank45

Actually I am a rational educated human and I like Kamala Harris, but it looks like Warren has wider appeal. Also more experience. Then again a chimpanzee on LSD would be a better choice than what we have now.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@45, What could you possibly like about Kamala Harris? What is appealing about Elizibeth Warren. Prove that you are a rational and educated human.

Will
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Will

@WB,45 says he’s as smart as Harris ? Not many people opening admit they are total dumbasses.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Most humorous!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, A response seeking, paycheck padding, decision by skin color deciding, troll. His wall may say he is educated, but half of his wits wondered off … and the other half went looking for them.

Frank45
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For one thing, I am done with electing old white guys, they have made a complete mess. Harris knows the law and the Constitution. I think she would call out Trump on his lies and diversions. Same story for Warren, she understands how the government is supposed to work and she’s a pretty good attack dog.

The university diploma on my wall says I’m educated, you wouldn’t know rational thought if it whacked you on the head.

Have a nice day, Y’ALL

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@45, So you make your decisions based upon race, age, and gender. The libtards told us, for years, that we can not make any decisions on those facts. Lies, all these years, lies just to get power.

Frank45
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Frank45

Oh come on. I’m an old white guy, so I can talk smack about old white guys. Just like black folks can call each other “n_______.”

Will
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Will

White people can call them that too ! You’re really educated so you have heard 1’st Amend.right ?

Finnky
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@F45 – Harris & Warren may know and understand the law, but they are both completely lacking in morals and integrity. There are plenty of examples during Harris’s time as a prosecutor, where she used her knowledge of the law to imprison innocent people for her own personal aggrandizement – without a whit of concern for justice. From my limited observations, Warren is no better. Hell, I have not yet heard her appologize for her role in motivating the Dayton shooter – and will not listen to anything she says until she has appologized and explains what she is doing… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Frank, you apparently didn’t get the memo. It is: Fauxcahontas! Put down the bud Frank, smoking is bad for you.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Rock R There is no such thing as a perfect candidate, but there is still an answer to your question. It is not a candidate that you agree 100% on, but a candidate that holds the same standard. Here is the standard I can get behind. The US Constitution must be adhered to, and the Bill of Rights must be used as the standard by which legal actions/ laws are judged. No compromise. You have used your comments to attack those who choose to exercise their own right to choice and right of conscience. Not once have I told you… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

The SAF, FPC and GOA worked hard over the past weeks in convincing the few key Congress critters that passing any gun control legislation is outright stupid and political suicide. President Trump had delayed the roll-out of his gun control proposal now for several weeks because of that. Even his anti-gun ATF nominee had to withdraw. We will probably never know what possessed President Trump to ask Congress to put together a gun control package during an election cycle. It is equivalent to President Obama asking Congress to put together an abortion restriction package during an election cycle. It was… Read more »

Wild Bill
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@CF, That is great news! Trump even mentioning more gun control would make the dnc solidly against it. But now that we have Trump’s attention. Let’s ask for more!
The dnc will try to impeach Trump up until his last day in office, so we have a handle on him until his last day in office.

Charlie Foxtrot
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Charlie Foxtrot

We finally have leverage on President Trump, but it is pretty useless. President Trump has wasted his first two years in office on d**k measuring contests, where he could have actually gotten things done. Now, the only thing that President Trump will do is more promises that he will do something in his next term. We have heard those promises before in 2016 and gotten nothing in return. President Trump is a con man and we are f***ed. Do you think that President Trump will now suddenly reverse his stance on his bump stock ban? Will he eliminate the import… Read more »

Degforyou
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A lot of good post in here. I believe Trump is playing or leading Dems on till the scum comes to the head. I also believe he will do what is right seeing all he’s accomplished with all he’s had to carry on his back, and Kavanaghe (misspelled, not the point) will obey constitution. At least he is lesser of 2 or 3 or ? what ever, seems to be doing what the good people wants. This crises can not be dealt with at 1 vote and has to be done in steps. Everyone think this through with every option… Read more »

Wild Bill
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@Deg, I hope that Kavanaugh remembers his treatment by the “progressives” every time a case comes before him.
We have no choice but to re-elect Trump. In the words of Alan Gottlieb in part 2 of Dave Workman’s interview, in the November issue of Guns magazine, “Our Second Amendment rights are only one election away from extinction, this election is going to be very important.”

Wild Bill
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@Deg, some here are worried that Trump will betray gun owners and the Second Amendment in his second term, after he no longer has to stand for re-election, but I have yet another hair brained scheme!

Will
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Will

@WB,what does Toto,Clark Kent,45,all have in common other than being trolls ?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, I don’t know. What does Toto, Clark Kent, 45, all have in common other than being trolls ?

Quatermain
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Ironically Trump is being red flagged with innuendo and hearsay. Impeach first and then due process???

Wild Bill
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@Quarter, Good point, Maybe a little first hand experience would be a valuable learning tool for him.

Frank45
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You misspelled “evidence.”

Will
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Will

Did you have a fucking problem understanding what he meant ?

Frank45
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Frank45

I did not, Is it necessary to f-word me? Some folks are afraid of reality.

Mack
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“If he’s willing to betray us now, when he needs us, what won’t he dare sign when he’s secured a second term and no longer does?”

See, that’s the problem few seem willing to discuss.

A ‘Second Term’ Trump is a Lame-Duck Trump.

Would Pence be helpful in that case?

I suppose we could hope for the best. Not reassuring, though.

Will
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Will

@Mack,Trump is very ignorant about firearms and the 2A. I really doubt that Trump has ever even fired a gun,I really mean that. Plus,he doesn’t have a clue about how dedicated and serious people like us,the gun culture, really is about this issue. He meet with scumbag Wayne LaPierre yesterday,and he is the last person on earth Trump needs to be talking to. He wants to appoint a gun-grabbing director to the ATF,and AG Barr is even worse. If Trump fucks up and does anything stupid,the impeachment bullshit will be the least of his problems.

Wild Bill
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@Will, You are brilliant! You have named our control mechanism over DJT. The national socialists will not drop their impeachment attempts after Trump is re-elected. Therefore DJT needs our support after his re-election.
If he betrays gun owners and the Second Amendment after his re-election, then we switch sides and the impeachment hassle starts over again. So write, email, call and let the president know that we have a handle on him even after re-election.

tomcat
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@ Will I read yesterday that he pulled the recommendation for the BATF. Several republicans objected and he listened. On to the next candidate.

Will
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Will

@tomcat,thanks for letting me know that. I hadn’t heard that before.Canterbury would had been a complete disaster for an agency that needs to be abolished anyway. The sooner the better too. Take care.

WTH!
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WTH!

So sick of this crap, what other right is so infringed upon? do politicians push for a ban on trials by juries, do I have to have quarter soldiers in my home to aid in budget cuts? These are God given rights, not policies or bylaws. These are our rights that limit our government, not limiting the rights of the people. I do not understand why he is trying to negotiate with evil idiots that have been doing or saying anything to undermine his presidency since and before he was elected. He will lose his support for ’20 and may… Read more »

Will
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Will

@WTH!,What other part of the constitution is more fucked with than the 2A ? I’m sick of the bullshit too !

Frank45
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Frank45

Well … crazy folks rarely use a jury trial to kill a bunch of people.

Assault weapons on the other hand …

Finnky
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@F45 – As you said “rarely”. On the other hand, Harris has forced many innocent people to rot in prison for decades – does that not count as ‘almost’ killing a bunch of people? I’d classify her as worse than the worst “mass shooter” – all while cloaked in the color of authority. Given fluidity of the legal definition of “assault weapon”, I’m not sure what you mean by statement above. However if you are refering to a subclass of rifles – they are used very rarely used for criminal mischief of any sort. They are more used for self… Read more »

Tionico
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Tionico

Has anyone else READ any of the backstory, transcripts, memoranda, statements of the guy on the OTHER end of that “damning” phone call, or dug deeply enough to learn that the alledged “whistleblower” has NO FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE of any aspect of this ongoing conversation between our President and that of the Ukraine? This “impeachment” move has about as much validity as did the George Zimmerman trial…. if that much. Don’t forget, the star “witness” in that farce was a radical substitution of some phoney pretender who llearned the part and claimed to be who she was not. She was a… Read more »

Degforyou
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I’ve been keeping up with it and looks real close to the criminals are about to be prosecuted. Also, shows Biden said what HE did is trying to be blamed on Trump.

TheRevelator
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@Tionico Yes, I did read the statements, his timeline was jumbled, and went over the transcript of the call. It is a farce, but one we knew was coming since they have been running by hook or by crook since November of 2016. I pretty much wrote an expose on the Zimmerman trial back in 2013 and 2014 when I was explaining applicable law and the evidence of the case to people who were intentionally lying about it. While yes, the rather large cradle robber was an issue on the stand, even more important as witnesses were two women who… Read more »

Frank45
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Frank45

what is “read?”

Tionico
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Tionico

So I am supposed to be worried that since there is a move afoot to attempt to impeach Trump, and that that same move will somehow “derail” some gun laws that are supposedly moving through the pipeline? First, the ONLY gun laws that might have been moving toward becoming law, which laws being derailed would give me cause for concern, are National Reciprocity in some form (nullifying all laws placing prior restraint upon our right to carry handguns anywhere we choose would be the PROPER thing to do) would be one, and removing noise suppressors from the NFA, rendering them… Read more »

Degforyou
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Degforyou

With the other side of house he has to play a game. To me his game is better than the other sides is. And to add side note, he’s staying in this spot is better than any of the others being in it.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Deg, I think that you are right. DJT is running rings around the dnc, but he can not say out loud what he is doing or it won’t work.

1776 Patriot
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1776 Patriot

“He is still Trump”? That is EXACTLY our problem with him. Despite his accomplishments on the economy and his rhetorical, desultory support of the 2nd Amendment and Free Enterprise, his “Art Of The Deal” pragmatism is no guarantee of moral rectitude or that he will live up to his promises. Even more dismaying IS the fact that Trump probably is the best we can do in the 2020 election, a placeholder that we can use temporarily to defeat radical leftist schemes. If he wins however, we must use the ensuing four years to build a coilition of moderates, libertarians and… Read more »

Ed
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Ed

New gun laws should not even be in the conversation.

Will
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Will

@Ed,abolish the fucking ATF for starters.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, Yep, all it would take is a Sec. Treas. memo. Unlike most federal agencies, BATFE was not created by an “enabling act” of Congress. BATFE was created by a memo by a previous Sec. of Treas.

tomcat
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tomcat

We are right between a rock and a hard spot, on one hand we know exactly what the democrat want to be’s will do but we can’t be sure what Trump will do. As David pointed out we don’t know what he would do in a second term but we don’t have a choice as to who will, definitely, preserve our rights. That leaves us with only one choice and based on the good he has done another term is warranted. I think it is monumental that he thinks he deserves due process concerning the impeachment but we don’t deserve… Read more »

MICHAEL J
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MICHAEL J

What we’re faced with is, support President Trump on his re-election or select from the list of communists who are already on record to shred our Constitutional rights. Of course you’ll have your choice, the best of the worst.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@MJ, Boy howdy, that sounds harsh, but I can not fault you.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@Wild Bill and Michael J

Most likely, I’ll be home again in 2020 on November 3rd. Also most likely dipping patches in a bottle of Hoppes #9.

I don’t play that “Lesser of two evils” game. Evil is still evil, and those who thought it was a good idea to have instead of getting a principled and solid candidate will have to take responsibility on top of having lost at least one vote right from the start for their stupidity.

Frank45
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Frank45

No candidates are actually COMMUNISTS.

Come on. Hello, Reality !!

Will Flatt
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Sorry, this is the man who banned bump stocks in a wildly unconstitutional way and expressed a desire to ban suppressors, institute wholly unconstitutional red flag laws and let’s not forget his, “take the guns NOW, due process later” declaration. That’s not tweaking the commiecrats. That’s a big fat F U to the gun owners who got him elected. If he’s willing to do this NOW, when he NEEDS us to get re-elected, what the hell do you think he will do when he has his 2nd term and is FREE TO DO WHATEVER HE PLEASES??? We’re between a rock… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, An excellent observation! And because it was such a wildly Unconstitutional way, it makes me wonder if he did not chose it to make sure that even the most leftist, progressive, elitist judge in the whole federal system could not fail to call it wildly Unconstitutional.

Will Flatt
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Ah, the old 3D chess argument again. Sorry, I dont buy it. The man was a longtime NYC liberal with no immersion in the gun culture, and even though he’s morphed into what is arguably the most successful Republican POTUS in over 100 years, he still has the NYC antigun liberal deep down inside.

The only reason why he became President is because Hitlery Clinton would have been the absolute DEATH of America!!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, So you don’t buy the clever scheme theory, but you do realize that Hitlery and all the current little Hitlery clones would be the absolute DEATH of America. Ok, I can buy that.

Will Flatt
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Yeah, damned if you do, damned if you don’t, eyes wide open.

Will
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Will

@WB,In Texas, and many other states,our ace in the hole is secession. “Texas,like a whole other country” ! It might be a lot sooner than we thought too !

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Will, And I am going with my State, in what ever capacity that it will have me.

Donttreadonme
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I really don’t buy that. I believe that if a national red flag law or universal background checks arrived on his desk that he would sign it without hesitation. I’m glad he is putting some so called conservative justices to federal level courts, and I’m glad the economy is doing good as well as our position in the world, but I do not trust him on the 2nd amendment at all. He already proved we can’t with his move on bump stocks, regardless if we think they are useless or not. And to the author, great point about how he… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Don’t, You are correct not to trust any politician with any of our rights. And I trust Warren, Biden, Booker, the old grouchy communist or the four horses faces of the apocalypse, even less. Nor do I trust any of the bureaucrats, past or present, in Washington, DC.
I think that if DJT, would tell anyone that gun control is just a ploy of his to get soccer mom voters to vote for him, then the ploy would, surely, fail.
I just have to wait and see what developed.

RoyD
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RoyD

Some people seem to have forgotten, or never knew, that the ballot box is not the only place one can cast a vote.

Will Flatt
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David is right about drawing lines in the sand. The one thing that today’s class of politician can only do consistently is lie to your face and deprive you of your rights and liberty. Gun owners and freedom lovers MUST draw a line in the sand, but only if you’re not bluffing! They WILL cross that line in the sand, at which point you’ll be forced to kill tyrants and jackboots alike. The question is; do you have the stones to do what should have been done decades ago?? Just because our parents didn’t see the tyranny (lack of internet,… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF, Yeah, modern politicians seem incapable of solving real problems, and superfluous. So they make up fake problems, so that they can solve them and be the hero. Or at least keep the voters distracted.

Larry
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Larry

Just the fact that Trump used the phrase “gun safety” in the tweet tells you everything you need to know. Trump is a lost cause.

Matt in Oklahoma
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Matt in Oklahoma

Due process
Like the one bumpstocks got from the legislative branch? Or the one that wasn’t going to be given to silencers?

Autsin Miller III
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Autsin Miller III

Couple of thoughts: where is Pence regarding the Second amendment? We KNOW President Trump isn’t on our side, maybe we would be better off with Pence and maybe if the Republicans knew that we were wise to Trump’s using us not joining us there would be more momentum for the impeachment hearings. SEE President Trump, we too have some cards to play. Second thought, maybe it’s time to let the Democrats have it all and bring this whole thing to a head. We have been played long enough in my opinion. I say, either those who say they are with… Read more »

Will Flatt
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You’re sadly mistaken if you think Pence will be your gun rights white knight. I’m from Indiana and I’ll tell you right now that Mike Pence is a milquetoast establishment Republican who will sway with the breeze to get along!!

Moreover, whatever gripes we may have with Trump, impeaching him over a fake, manufactured ‘scandal’ that isn’t actually an impeachable offense sets a massively dangerous precedent that the enemies of liberty will use to insure that good men are never able to stall or derail their plan to destroy America and enslave the people. And we’re already 90% there!!

RoyD
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RoyD

I would add that this also includes things that you didn’t do that you should have done.

Will Flatt
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No, 18USC242 only outlaws affirmative acts. Know the law! If a public official fails to perform their required duties, that is a violation of their oath and an impeachable offense. Impeachable offenses are a completely different area of the law.

RoyD
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RoyD

You are incorrect, but, I am retired so I don’t have to worry about it anymore.

Will Flatt
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Roy, you don’t offer an explanation of why you THINK I’m incorrect, so I presume you’re just BS’ing for the sake of being argumentative. And retirement is irrelevant. I’m retired too, and I know the damn law, so don’t tell me I’m wrong when apparently you dont know what you’re talking about!

Overt acts and omissions of acts are covered by separate laws, period. If you’re incapable of grasping the difference, then I can’t help you.

RoyD
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RoyD

I guess it’s a good thing that I don’t need, or want, your help then. You go ahead and keep doing you, because it appears that’s what you do best.

Will Flatt
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Fine by me, go ahead & wallow in your abject ignorance. No skin off my nose!!

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@WF and RD, If I were the head of a successful revolution, I would hang everyone of those sons of bitches, and the appeals court could let us know, later, whether 18 USC 242 only precludes affirmative acts or includes failures to act.

Will
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Will

@WB,if the socialists trash was ever to get control of the three branches of government,it’s on ! Texas will tell them we don’t recognize their perceived authority and leave immediately. If not,they will be thrown in the lock-up,or shot and killed. Secession !

Alan in NH
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Alan in NH

Now is not the time to criticize Trumps tactics dealing with the National Socialists, it only encourages them to attack even more. Like it or not Trump is the only guy with the guts in Washington to stand between us and them. If they did succeed in getting rid of him and taking over, the first thing they would do would be to conduct an all out assault on our civil rights and on all of us too. Our only option is to stand and defend President Trump and the Republic at all cost! Trump said today that the new… Read more »

Larry
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Larry

Mine. Which Trump is proving he is not on.

I’m tired of going to the wall to support the candidate who will destroy our rights slowly, just to avoid getting the candidate who will destroy our rights faster. That is a guaranteed losing strategy, and we are being suckered into playing it.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Larry, I’m tired of it too! I do, however, have to say that the proof is not all in yet about DJT. And like Alan points out, look at that crowd of national socialists just waiting to get the levers of power!
I can not say that I know what Trump will do, but I am pretty sure that I know what the national socials will do.

KenW
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KenW

While I do not disagree with you Trump is from New York. Even when Trump was growing up in NY you needed a permit to buy a handgun. My point is that living with these kinds of “infringements'” can cloud a person’s perspective. Yes I voted for him and will probably do so again, but I was never on board as to whether or not Trump was what we would call “pro-gun” because he lives in NYC.

Here in FL we have the same problem with both Senators, both of whom were credibly pro-gun.