Washington State University: Catch 22, No Guns for You

Washington State University: Catch 22, No Guns for You
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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- To those who wish the population disarmed, gun laws do not need to make sense, be reasonable, efficient, or effective. Any reduction in the number of legal gun owners, guns, or use of guns is seen as positive.

It is why this bit of insanity at Washington State University (WSU) is unlikely to be addressed. Washington State University is primarily in the Southeast corner of Washington state, located at Pullman, Washington. It is an agricultural and rural area. Guns are popular. Even so, WSU has a very restrictive gun policy. From wsu.edu:

WAC 504-26-213 Firearms and dangerous weapons

No student may carry, possess, or use any firearm, explosive (including fireworks), dangerous chemical, or any dangerous weapon on university property or in university-approved housing. Airsoft guns and other items that shoot projectiles are not permitted in university-approved housing. Students wishing to maintain a firearm on campus for hunting or sporting activities must store the firearm with the Washington State University department of public safety

The Washington State University police maintained an area for students to store their firearms, where the students could check out and check back in their firearms, as desired, for gun related activities. It was popular enough the WSU police are reported to have designed a portion of their new building to be used for this purpose. The WSU police moved into their new headquarters in 2016.

Then Washington State passed the controversial I-639 referendum. The referendum calls for universal background checks. The WSU police read the referendum, and interpreted it to mean they could not return a student's firearm to them, unless a background check and a mental health check were done beforehand, every time the firearm was returned. From mynorthwest.com:

The way the law is written, WSU police say they’d have to conduct a background check every time a student checked out their gun, which would take several days. They’d also have to do a “mental health check” and send letters to mental health facilities to make sure the student is allowed to have a firearm.

That forced campus police to ax the program, due to the strain long wait times would impose on the system.

In effect, the combination of the University policy and the referendum mean the students have no way to legally possess firearms on campus. Critics of the WSU police policy say the police did not need to interpret the referendum this way.

In I-639, there are several exemptions to the mandatory background check transfer law. One of them is for law enforcement agencies, on page 20, section (4) (e).  From sos.wa.gov:

(e) Any law enforcement or corrections agency and, to the extent the person is acting within the course and scope of his or her employment or official duties, any law enforcement or corrections officer, United States marshal, member of the armed forces of the United States or the national guard, or federal official;

It appears to be straightforward. An employee of the WSU police would be acting in the scope of their official duties when they would check guns in or out. Perhaps the WSU police are afraid of liability or lawsuit.  I-639 is 30 pages long. There is a fair amount of micromanaging in it.

The people who are deliberately disarming others do not care they destroyed a multi-decadal tradition at WSU. They do not care they made the exercise of Second Amendment rights extremely difficult for students at WSU. Both of those things would be seen as positives by many people who wish Americans to be unarmed. After all, *they* are happy to go through life unarmed; why should anyone else (other than government agents) be allowed to be armed?

These sort of consequences are what the people who planned and executed the I-639 strike against the exercise of Second Amendment rights desire and hope for. They want firearms ownership and use to be so tightly regulated and controlled that legal use is logistically difficult and legally dangerous.

I witnessed this sort of thing in Australian states. As the gun culture in Australia attempts to reform some of the most onerous, irrational, and bizarre parts of the 1996 gun law, they are met by determined resistance in the media and by fanatical anti-gun lobbyists.

Those who want the people unarmed claim any reform would lead to blood in the streets. This sets the stage for the next failure. Then they push for more draconian provisions.

The leaders of those who wish for a disarmed society, do not see gun ownership as legitimate. They do not see armed self defense as legitimate. They do not see the Second Amendment as legitimate. They have shown the desire and the capability of lying, repeatedly, to achieve their political ends.

They wish to move society from the founding principle of law, where “Whatever is not forbidden, is allowed” to “Whatever is not allowed, is forbidden”, which is where much of Europe operates.  It is what all the talk of “need” is about.

Government, deciding who “needs” what, is a Marxist concept. It is profoundly alien to the structure of the United States.

No government official should ever tell you what you need. Citizens should tell government officials what the government “needs”.

Because of technological changes, referendums, intended to give the people power over politicians, have become methods for billionaires to restructure society to their whims. Billionaires work with their allies in the media, restructuring society in the way they wish it to be. It is essential Progressivism in action.

I-639 is being challenged in court. It was struck down, once, before the voting. It may be struck down again.


About Dean Weingarten:Dean Weingarten

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of constitutional carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and recently retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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Oldmarine
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Oldmarine

This University has made a big mistake that could cause them big finical problems. When they take away a person’s Constitutional and natural rights to self defense, then they have now assumed that responsibility. Just one incident could essentially cost the university a large dent in their bank account. They are also being Predigest of a class of the public , abusing Constitutional rights and engaging in dangerous policies detrimental to the public. They can be held accountable to a very high degree of the law and many law suits. All of this can be upheld by both State and… Read more »

ExGob
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ExGob

So this university advertises openly that any attempted attack on the school’s students and/or faculty will be met with little to no resistance since the school only allows the use of hands and feet for self protection. What that means is, run like hell and pray that you can outrun any and all bullets( like you can see ’em coming!). The best protection for those associated with this school is to find another school ( preferably one with an on-campus guns and ammo store), and get the hell out! Obviously the welfare and safety of the students and faculty are… Read more »

Hankus
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Hankus

A minor correction: the offending initiative that you refer to was I-1639. Passed by the limp-wristed liberal majority in Western Washington, it was a lie from the start. And it violated the law concerning the initiative process by omitting crucial information on the form that the idiots signed. A LOT of information, which savvy pro-2A activists pointed out. The Seattle-area buttnuggets wouldn’t hear any of that though. But as a result it went to the state supreme court, where it was rubber stamped by the liberal “justices” and upheld as being lawful. As always, the facts be damned. Used to… Read more »

Quatermain
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Quatermain

Transfer to the University of Idaho, 6.7 miles to the east. Problem fixed.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Sounds easy…there may be a matter of in-state vs out of state tuition making one place affordable and another place not.

Tionico
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Tionico

Dean, excellent piece, as always, but, not being a local it is understandable WHY you made one glaring error, consistently repeated throughout. The nasty Bloomburg Bill is not “1-639” It is “!-1639. The lead letter “i” (eye) means it is a citizens ballot initiative. The part that makes me furious about the whole thing is that our State Constitution places VERY tight restrictions and requirements on CItizens’ Ballot Initiatives… they must ONLY deal with ONE issue (this one changes or adds about a dozen laws. Second, the entire initiave bill MUST be printed in its entirety (redundant, yes) on the… Read more »

tomcat
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tomcat

@Tio, I think you hit on one very important point and that was “We have all mail voting.” How do you know who is voting and how many times? Without voter ID there is a whole truck load of corruption available to the gun grabbers.

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

Isn’t it interesting that only the Socialist Democrats oppose voter I.D.

Circle8
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Circle8

You must remember that Washington State is run by fraud. The elections have a rule the liberal morons have put in place. When a candidate or measure being voted on gains or is ahead of the LIBERALS pet candidate or measure King County (Seattle area) suddenly “discovers misplaced boxes” of ballots. These ballots are added to the count and guess what “THEIR CANDIDATE OR MEASURE” wins. King County is the largest and socialist leader in the state so what ever they want has the votes. This has been going on for years and like Khalifornia what ever the issue or… Read more »

Bowserb46
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Bowserb46

This is one of the reasons we have the Electoral College for presidential elections.

JPM
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JPM

No surprise. WSU has a reputation as a “Degree Factory”, which means that they will give anyone with the bucks a college degree regardless of performance in the classroom. I knew professors there back in the 80s who quit just for that reason and it has become even worse over the last couple of decades to the point where an M.A., M.S. or Ph.D. from WSU is considered to be a joke in the academic societies. As a state University it is driven by the liberals in Olympia/Seattle and of course, it is a college campus where liberalism is taught,… Read more »

John Dow
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John Dow

Given that interpretation of the law, one could not leave their firearm with a gunsmith and not have to get a background check when retrieving it. Or for that matter, do background check on the ‘smith when handing it over in the first place.

Yes, the referendum or ballot initiative has become weaponized by the wealthy left.

Vanns40
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Vanns40

There is one way to curb abuses by authoritarian universities, stop funding them! It’s that simple. If student enrollment drops and endowments drop their can be only two outcomes, either the university ceases to exist or they change.

Rockman1977
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Rockman1977

It is so Blatantly Obvious! The disarming of our citizens is only one part of a bigger plan to impose much harsher and restrictive regulations on those of us who refuse to be Sheep! These restrictive laws and regulations are illegal, null and void, they only serve to shed light on those belonging to this Cabal of evil! I was born with Rights and Freedoms that were guaranteed and further protected by our Constitution! I ask you, What purpose is served by stripping a Patriotic Citizen of their ability to protect themselves, their family, their property? Only a Government that… Read more »

Gene Ralno
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Gene Ralno

Wisdom from the People’s Democrat Party. They focus on good guns instead of bad people.

Will
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Will

That’s always been their MO.

Stripeseven
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Stripeseven

Bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny. Edmund Burke..