Bloomberg Bought Virginia Legislators to Introduce Confiscatory Gun Ban

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Ralph Northam Governor of Virginia and Michael Bloomberg
Ralph Northam Governor of Virginia, owned by Michael Bloomberg

Fairfax, VA – -(Ammoland.com)- Michael Bloomberg’s bought and paid for Virginia legislators have wasted no time introducing legislation that would make the Old Dominion’s gun laws worse than those of the billionaire’s home state of New York.

SB 16, introduced by Sen. Richard L. Saslaw, would create a total ban on commonly-owned semi-automatic firearms, like the AR-15. Even worse, the ban would even extend to common firearm parts. The restrictions included in the proposed legislation does not grandfather current owners. The legislation is clearly designed to be firearms confiscation, as current owners would be forced to dispossess themselves of their property or face a felony conviction.

Saslaw’s legislation provides,

It is unlawful for any person to import, sell, transfer, manufacture, purchase, possess, or transport an assault firearm.

Otherwise law-abiding gun owners found in possession of an “assault firearm,” even one they purchased prior to the ban, could be convicted of a Class 6 felony. A Class 6 felony is punishable by up to 5 years imprisonment.

The legislation lays out several criteria by which a firearm would be defined as an “assault firearm.” This includes,

  • A semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a fixed magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds.
  • A semi-automatic centerfire rifle with a detachable magazine that has one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the rifle; (iii) a thumbhole stock; (iv) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (v) a bayonet mount; (vi) a grenade launcher; (vii) a flare launcher; (viii) a silencer; (ix) a flash suppressor; (x) a muzzle brake; (xi) a muzzle compensator; (xii) a threaded barrel… or (xiii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (xii)

  • A semi-automatic centerfire pistol with a fixed magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds.
  • A semi-automatic centerfire pistol with a detachable magazine that has one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock; (ii) a thumbhole stock; (iii) a second handgrip or a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand; (iv) the capacity to accept a magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (v) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the pistol with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (vi) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; (vii) a threaded barrel… or (viii) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (vii);

  • A shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
  • A semi-automatic shotgun with one of the following characteristics:

(i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a thumbhole stock, (iii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the shotgun, (iv) the ability to accept a detachable magazine, (v) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of seven rounds, or (vi) any characteristic of like kind as enumerated in clauses (i) through (v).

With this definition, SB 16 would outlaw America’s most popular rifle, the AR-15, along with countless other rifles, pistols, and shotguns that Virginians use for hunting, target shooting, and self-defense.

A knowledgeable firearms owner will take a look at the ridiculous definition and realize that such ham-handed legislation must be born out of petty vindictiveness or a complete ignorance of firearm technology, as there is no logical public safety rationale.

For example, the legislation is so broad that it would ban hunting guns like the Mossberg 935 Turkey shotgun for its “pistol grip.”

Mossberg 935 Turkey Shotgun: BANNED
Mossberg 935 Turkey Shotgun: BANNED

The ban would prohibit the possession of guns like this Model SP-10 Magnum Thumbhole Camo due to its thumbhole stock.

Mossberg Model SP-10 Magnum Thumbhole Camo: BANNED
Mossberg Model SP-10 Magnum Thumbhole Camo: BANNED

The ban would also capture guns such as this version of the Browning BAR Mark II Safari hunting rifle, as it has a detachable box magazine and a muzzle brake.

Browning BAR Mark II Safari Hunting Rifle: BANNED
Browning BAR Mark II Safari Hunting Rifle: BANNED

Moreover, the “any characteristic of like kind” language that appears after each list of prohibited features introduces an unacceptable vagueness into the definition of what does or does not constitute an “assault firearm.” Law-abiding gun owners would be forced to prophesy just how a court might interpret those unclear provisions.

As bad and senseless as the prohibition on certain firearms is, the proposed ban on firearm parts truly shows how Michael Bloomberg is cashing in on his political investment.

The legislation provides,

“Assault firearm” includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert, modify, or otherwise alter a firearm into an assault firearm, or any combination of parts that may be readily assembled into an assault firearm.

This passage would appear to make all of the firearm parts listed under the various feature tests in and of themselves “assault firearms” and therefore prohibited. As the individual part is treated as an “assault firearm,” possession of such a part would be punishable in the same manner as a prohibited firearm, as a Class 6 felony.

Many firearms are modular. For instance, the same muzzle brake or flash suppressor could be used to turn a semi-automatic firearm into an “assault firearm” under the bill’s definition, or it could be used by a hunter or precision rifle shooter on their bolt-action rifle.

In recent years the popularity of the AR-15 platform has led to the adoption of AR-15 parts in other types of firearms. An example of this trend is the Ruger Precision Rimfire rifle. The firearm is a bolt-action rimfire rifle that accepts an AR-15 pistol grip. As the pistol grip part is a prohibited feature on a semi-automatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and is designed for use on a prohibited AR-15, the mere grip itself could be banned under this legislation.

Ruger Precision Rimfire: BANNED
Ruger Precision Rimfire: BANNED

SB 16 also bans the importation, sale, and transfer of standard capacity firearm magazines that are designed to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. Many handguns commonly-owned by law-abiding citizens for concealed carry come standard with magazines that would be banned. Otherwise law-abiding gun owners who violate the magazine provision could be found guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. A Class 1 misdemeanor is punishable by up to a year in jail.

All Virginia gun owners must organize to fight against Bloomberg-backed gun confiscation in the Old Dominion. In the coming days NRA will keep gun owners apprised of the latest developments in Richmond and the actions necessary to defend the right to keep and bear arms. In the meantime, please sign up to volunteer to help defeat this and other terrible legislation.


National Rifle Association Institute For Legislative Action (NRA-ILA)

About NRA Institute for Legislative Action:

Established in 1975, the Institute for Legislative Action (ILA) is the “lobbying” arm of the National Rifle Association of America. ILA is responsible for preserving the right of all law-abiding individuals in the legislative, political, and legal arenas, to purchase, possess and use firearms for legitimate purposes as guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Visit: www.nra.org

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The whole thing is unconstitutional and needs to be taken to the Supreme Court to reign in the Marxists.

StWayne
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StWayne

MUST READ!!! The political shitstorm that we all knew was coming is finally knocking at the front door of every free citizen of Virginia. Question now is: will they resist, or will they roll over? There is everything at stake here. You either stand up for your rights as cited by the 2A, or you cower behind your desk because you need the money and the safety and the security of a false promise that only a middle-class job can provide. And therein hides the big lie. Has your income ever had the same purchasing power that it had in… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

StWayne, it would a good idea to proofread what you write before posting it. Your figures are wildly incorrect. For instance 563% is not 563 times more it is 5.63 times more. In your next paragraph you should have divided 47,000 by 5.63 to arrive at what a person would have been making in 1970: $8,348.

USMC0351Grunt
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Uh? That would be $26,461,000 there genius!

RoyD
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RoyD

I would expect a jarhead to give a response like you did. You all were amusing, if not useful, on occasion.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

Not entirely accurate, look at how much a television cost back in 1970. Compare that to today, and based on your inflation rate, how much a tv in 1970 would be in today’s dollars. The same holds true for many consumer goods, and even many of the necessities, such as milk, eggs, gasoline, etc. Now, to the main point of this story, no, we will not roll over, just as those in CT and NY did not. Those of us who were already active are even more so now. Many that were not, are now. We might not be able… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

RoyD, I got you. Even so, you understood my point. My post was not about the money, per se. It was about purchasing power, a loss of 563% when compared to the 70’s, and how we as a “free society” are being manipulated, one against the other, in our struggle to regain it. This is how the left steam rolls their agendas on us, starting with a gentle nudge towards socialism, and then finally, full-on communism. Ask any socialist, and they will defend the very idea of it. Ask any Russian the same thing, and still, they too defend the… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Yes, StWayne, I knew what you were trying to impart. However, we have readers all across the knowledge spectrum who have the ability to read these posts and some of them even respond when they haven’t a clue about what is being talked about. My advisory was to try to limit misunderstandings by that subset. If someone posts something I can’t decipher I generally just move on as whatever they were trying to say obviously wasn’t worth the time I took to read it.

StWayne
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StWayne

So you knew all along what I was trying to impart, but took it upon yourself to safeguard “those readers all across the knowledge spectrum who have the ability to read these posts and some of them even respond when they haven’t a clue about what is being talked about.”? So, your fear was that they were going to respond to a math mistake in some unseen way that you feared you couldn’t control, but had to error correct anyway? One would think they were doing your job for you. How hard would it have been, I wonder, if your… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Well, that was rather longwinded. Not a criticism just an observation. If others post before me that which I myself would have said, why be redundant and post it again? “Personal attacks” happen here all the time. I would say that I am among the least of these “offenders.” I just call it pointing out flaws in others behavior or thought processes. After all, what would this section be if it weren’t for the liberals providing so much easy material with which to bash them. You are correct, I could just let things “slide”. And I do much of the… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

So then, you ARE a self-appointed filter for Ammoland, whose job it is to challenge every mistake you catch as a way of defending all those poor uneducated bastards that you see as less than yourself, as splattered helplessly all across the spectrum, your words not mine. Keep your posts courteous, and hell, even I don’t mind being corrected when I’m wrong. Abuse that power by making your attacks personal, and I doubt that I will be the only one responding in kind. But you do what you do, because for you, it’s a choice. Chow!

RoyD
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RoyD

I was taught to always separate the wheat from the chaff. And if pointing it out brings some butt hurt, so be it.

StWayne
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StWayne

It’s not the “butt hurt” that’s at issue here, RoyD, I can deal with that, and, in a positive manner. I in fact learn from it: just as I did when you pointed out that my math was wrong. It was easy to see you were right, so why argue it? What’s at issue here is who appointed you as Ammoland’s overseer? The guardian of everything that’s correct? He who sits atop his perch ever-so-quietly, as he takes aim. I’ll get back to you when it becomes apparent that you actually wear such a crown. Only then, and then even… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Do I need to pay rent for the space in your head I apparently occupy?

StWayne
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StWayne

And therein lies your problem, RoyD, the very one I take issue with, and it’s that you think you’re everyone’s gift to some unseen God of the intellect for which you are not nor have have ever been because the altar at which you worship the self exists only in your mind. By the way: the math you say I was so wildly off on, in the end still comes out to $225,200 a year if you were to have the same earning power of the last great decade: the 70’s. So glad that even you, got my point.

RoyD
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RoyD

So which one is it, $225,200 or $264,610? You have yet to acknowledge that $47,000 now, using your 563% increase, results in the 1970’s earner making only $8,348 in 1970. You are confusing what is earned now, your figures, $47,000 with what, using your figures, would have been in 1970, $8,348. You are using the 47,000 dollar figure which you say is todays average earnings as also the earnings of an average person in 1970 to calculate that person’s earnings today. You can’t have it both ways. I understand sometimes getting mixed up in our cognitive activities. Being older I… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

I will just let you tell me what the Bureau of Labor Statistics means to you, where it states that the consumer price index in today’s prices are 563.26% higher, than average prices throughout the 70’s. They didn’t just pluck that number out of thin air, no matter the average income back then. Which, of course, has everything to with the decline of our purchasing power. Like you, I’m older and not as sharp as I used to be, and can handle being told I was in error no problem. What I can’t abide is a smart ass with an… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Do you know the difference between a “smart ass” and a “dumb ass?” The difference is that you can actually learn something from a “smart ass” as opposed to what you can learn from a “dumb ass” which is how much it must hurt to be or be dependent upon a “dumb ass.” Now, that in no way is meant to ascribe to you or anyone else here the attributes of a dumb ass. I don’t know any of you well enough to make that judgement. That is not to say that some here might not write stupid stuff on… Read more »

StWayne
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StWayne

Ah, so you can’t even answer the math with an open invitation to do so, like gentlemen, as you instead op for taking snipes from safe places, but then denies them as if he never said them: always talking in third terms as if to create the space needed to feel emotionally detached/safe. I looked your personality type up, Roy, and would you believe that it bullseyes the definition of someone with a superiority complex? You may not know this of yourself, but I’m betting you do because you’ve dealing with it one way or another all your life. As… Read more »

RoyD
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RoyD

Yes, it has been entertaining. Onward and upward.

ras52
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ras52

Heed, you are right, we will survive, we will prevail!

Rowboat
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Rowboat

Virginia, like most of our States, is politically controlled by the Urban Populations. 95% of Virginia counties voted Republican, but the 5 urban population centers voted in the Democrats for the last few elections.
The GOP has given up funding of their candidates since they cannot even come close to spending what the likes of Bloomberg, Soros, et al. pour into Virginia.
It seems that Virginia has the worst politicians that money can buy !
Where are all the “Sugar Daddies “ on the Conservative side ? MIA .

USA
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USA

Virginia making rebellion illegal for the “law abiding” Kool-Aid gulpers. “A person is guilty of unlawful paramilitary activity, punishable as a Class 5 felony if he: 1. Teaches or demonstrates to any other person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive, or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to persons, knowing or having reason to know or intending that such training will be employed for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder” https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/virginia-bill-to-make-firearms-training-an-illegal-paramilitary-activity-and-felony/ Like I been telling ya that you can stick the “Law Abiding” bullshit up your ass’s. I don’t give… Read more »

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@USA, Is this a proposed statute or has this been passed?

USA
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USA

WB, Looks to be proposed so they better get to the rebelling before it becomes law otherwise the “law abiding” could be charged with a felony for rebelling. I always knew the Kool-Aid was going to get these “law abiding” perfect Americans. It has always been a scam and they fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@USA, It is obviously and laughably unconstitutional, and so complicated that it would be difficult to enforce and easy to get around. Just teach in the hypothetical and don’t ask why the “students” want to know.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax
Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

USA, It’s worse than you think. I just checked the pre-filed bills and came up with this list. I may have missed some. These are just the ones having to do with guns, there’s lots of other stupidity I didn’t reference. ANTI-SELF-DEFENSE / GUN CONTROL SB 12 Intro Firearm transfers; criminal history record information checks; penalty. SB 13 Intro Possessing or transporting a weapon within Capitol Square; SB 14 Intro Trigger activators; prohibition; penalty. Prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale or offer to sell, possession, transfer, or transportation of a trigger activator, SB 15 Intro Carrying weapon into building owned or… Read more »

USA
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USA

Dave, No it isn’t, I think things are really bad and I’m not selling “bad” short brother. although I’m surprised to not see handguns banned that have pistol grips but hey maybe next time. Here’s the Red Denver list. Attorneys, courts and prisons are going to make a lot of money as they always have and there will be no constitution left. Figure a hundred grand to fight every illegal rule individually when Marbury v Madison wipes them all out in a single shot but good luck because not a single attorney in America will proceed with a case like… Read more »

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

USA, Gee that list looks like their wish list. Actually one of those SBs covers centerfire pistols that have magazines with more than 10 rounds, as I remember, so that covers all the double stacks.

USA
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USA

Dave, I am guessing that constitutional carry will be timed out for a 3rd or 4th year straight and guns for weed will fly through very easily because anything to do will the devil weed is heavily protected in Colorado. Nobody in Colorado would want somebody with weed in trouble.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

USA, I can’t see Constitutional Carry getting through, even if it means cooking the voting tallies. Trying to explain to people that CBDs are a bad idea is a lost cause, even with the FDA warning about it, and CDC having serious doubts. I dodge enough drunks on the roads, I don’t need a bunch of stoners who think that since it’s legal it’s OK.

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

Y’all do realize this is not going to stop until these legislators, and those buying them. lose their lives en masse, right? Bloomberg is running for POTUS. What do you think he has in mind for us nationwide?

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@2, Those people have already arranged a lot of armed protection for themselves. How do you propose to lose them their lives en masse? Not saying that I am against it, just wondering how you think it could be done.
Why not just lose them their jobs en masse?

RoyD
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RoyD

Nuke them from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

USMC0351Grunt
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Bodyguards die by gunfire.too! Just sayin’

RoyD
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RoyD

And the hits just keep coming. LOL!

GUNS r US
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GUNS r US

Spray and pray!!!

Will
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Will

@2,the midget needs to be more concerned about what we have in store for him!

StWayne
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StWayne

Not related, but important nonetheless — I just saw where Bloomberg issued a decree that Bloomberg News is not to cover anything but the derogatory concerning President Trump, and nothing, I repeat nothing, derogatory towards the Democratic political party or its members. Trump just ejected the Bloomberg News agency form any and all Trump events. Seems Bloomberg News just let their cat out of the bag when it comes to part and parcel of what is his overall strategy: power by any means necessary to achieve whatever the objective. This, even to where Mr. Bloomberg has become the epitome of… Read more »

Oldvet
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Oldvet

@St… Maybe a few horseheads in a few beds would wake a few people up…

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@OV, I dunno, I like horses. Couldn’t we put cabbage heads, in beds and leave the horses alone? 😉

USA
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USA
Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

@Wayne, Everyone knows whatever the media puts out… the opposite is true.

TEEBONE
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TEEBONE

They’re GONNA pass this stuff, and it will take awhile to push it up the litigation pipeline, but I have little doubt that the Court would toss it out (after laughing itself silly).

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

By then, everyone is effectively disarmed, and the courts will be no longer. We are at war with the left. People need to WTFU.

Ryben Flynn
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Ryben Flynn

Virginia gun owners may want to consider arresting the Democrats if they pass any of those anti-gun laws.
18 U.S. Code § 241. Conspiracy against rights
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/241
18 U.S. Code § 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242

USA
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USA

They must disarm Americans for their insurrection so when you get caught resisting the enemy you can be prosecuted. They are, “just doing my job”.

1776, part 2, 2.0 All hands on deck. Prepare to back Trump and the US Military, RESTORE the REPUBLIC!

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HOORAH!

JFCrosby
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JFCrosby

It looks like Virginia has public enemies one and two. I hope Virginians have the courage to remember this in the next few elections.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

Virginia…Needs to start a recall action now !
Remember it is easier to say I’m sorry after than to get permission before !!!

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

Oldvet, do you know if their constitution allows recall? Many do not.

Oldvet
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Oldvet

No I do not . Perhaps some of our friends who live there can inform us.

Dave in Fairfax
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Dave in Fairfax

OV, There are provisions to recall an official depending on the circumstances. The info you are looking for is here, but it isn’t easy to sort through or likely to work. As I read it the COURTS have the say on whether it happens. Given that, I’d say the chances are slim to none. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness, though. There is, however a petition:

https://virginiaconservatives.net/recall-radical-ralph-northam

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-233/

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-234/

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-235/

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-236/

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-237/

https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter2/section24.2-238/

macdog
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Former mayor Doomberg sticks his enlarged nose in the business of other states. Example – He teamed up with our previous Colorado gov Hickenlooper alias Hickenlooser to further restrict our 2A rights which thanks to the two communist strong holds of Denviod and the People’s Republic of Boulder. Our current POS gov is more than willing to push further restrictive measures going around the popular vote..( the Doomberg Way ). Virginia take heed, throw these two losers out of your state ASAP. Doomberg he just wants the satisfaction of screwing up and taking the rights and voices of millions of… Read more »

USA
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USA

macdog, Non-sanctuary counties are no longer America because the Constitution no longer exists there. Those counties are now part of China and England (Roman Empire 7th version).

macdog
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macdog

Unfortunately USA I can’t agree with you more

Arny
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Arny

These are the same assholes selling weapons around the world to enrich themselves. Starting conflict wars to topple Govts. & put in their puppets. Where are all the missing firearms from the National Guard armories ? How about the gun buy backs ? Their purchased firearms they gave to Ukraine ended up in Lybia & South Africa. Just how many Fast & Furious do you believe happened ? One that we are aware of. But then we can look back thru history & see they have been doing this for decades. Now do you see why they want you disarmed… Read more »

joefoam
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joefoam

I see stories on this site about droves of gun owners clamoring for sanctuary status for their counties. Where were all the droves of people on election day? I realize the heaviest concentration of people are located in just a few urban areas, but I have to believe the balance of the state could have out voted them. There are 100+ million gun owners in the country, with that kind of voting power and a few bucks from each, you can have the presidency.

USA
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USA

joe, We attempted a recall of the Governor of Colorado and enough people failed to sign the petition leaving him in power and the recall group kept the signed petitions that fell short of making the quota from being turned in so the state couldn’t retaliate against those who signed. Rural voters could have changed things and they failed to make a stand. They likely will fail to make a stand over door to door confiscation also since they couldn’t be bothered to sign a petition if this failure is an example. The pro-gun group in Denver is teaching class’s… Read more »

Arny
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Arny

You are kidding right ? About classes

USA
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USA

Arny, Negative, I am serious and Ft. Collins (Liberalville) Colorado is declaring a “Climate Emergency” due to Snowflake full meltdown due to pending roundup and gallows being erected.

JonZ
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JonZ

Punishing the innocent for the deeds of the criminals!

Arny
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Arny

They’re not even doing that. They are down right making anyone interested in owning a firearm a felon. Anyone on this line of thinking needs to move to another country. I will NOT comply !

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

This is the definition of tyranny. Taking away our GOD given, constitutionally protected rights a freedoms and making every individual who doesn’t go along with their scheme a felon. For those of us who value our freedom and independence, civil disobedience is the norm these days. This has all been tried before. You might remember some of the more famous felon’s names; B. Franklyn, G. Washington, T. Jefferson, S. Adams etc. and even before them were Mathew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul etc. right on up to the most famous felon to ever walk the earth; JESUS the SON of… Read more »

USA
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USA

DB, Attorneys such as FPC are currently arguing in Fed court that 2A shall be regulated as any other right that it is no different than for example 1A that in fact firearms should be no more regulated than a bullhorn and the very people demanding their rights in many cases are cutting these attorney throats by supporting some infringements. I say be a rebel, support the Constitution as it is written in plain English text, ban the Kool-Aid.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

Are you saying the F P C is arguing that the 2A should be regulated? Who is the F P C? Do you have any more info?

Regulating the 2A could be the last straw that was holding back civil war or at least another war for freedom and independence.

Arm up, carry on.

USA
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USA

DB, Negative! I am saying that I read lots of cases going through federal courts by Firearms Policy Coalition and Second Amendment Foundation and these very good attorneys are ramming it up the courts ass that 2A shall be regulated as other rights are regulated akin to how the government regulates bullhorns for free speech in that they do not regulate bullhorns therefore they have no authority to regulate weapons. That in fact the 2A right shall not be infringed, PERIOD. end of story. There is no “but” this or that. In essence these attorneys are ramming 2A up the… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

OK, thanks, now I get it. I sure hope the lawyers can get something accomplished in defending our rights. It sure looks like it’s going to be a shooting match if the socialist,communist, demoncrapic left gets their way. I don’t see how it can be avoided at this point but there still may be a glimmer of hope — I hope. I will be happy to watch the tribunals on the terrorist low lifes. Back in the day, there was such a thing as summery execution. Not pretty and not publically televised but it sure got the job done. A… Read more »

USA
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USA

DB, The briefs from these attorneys that I have read show how our current legal system is identical to that of Europe in that it is not a real legal system but rather a tyranny with fake Judges ruling upon illegal whims and political activism while the attorneys sell us out short of full representation and as the police in Denver prepare for outright confiscation America will see the Cartel Nazis who are “just doing my job” in action while they proclaim they are pro-Constitution and pro-2A as it has always been. As long as Americans are willing to accept… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

U.S.A. I am aware. There are those of us who have prepared/are preparing for what is so obviously coming. The day will come when the authorities try another red flag raid and the target will say no, no more, not one step further, the ONLY way for you is back. Should the demoncrapic, socialist, communist left EVER attempt firearm confiscation A.K.A. the British @ Concord, there WILL be a second war for freedom and independence. That is EXACTLY why and how the FIRST war for freedom and independence happened in the first place. America is founded upon sound, righteous Judeo/Christian… Read more »

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

Deplorable Bill, the left is already in the field (as Patrick Henry made reference). We are not prepared, because we think the courts, and Trump, will save us. There are 10 of them, and of those 10, maybe 6 on our side. Preparation is the key.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

All I can promise you is that not everybody is unprepared. You are right in that we should not count on the courts or President. Trump to save us or air lift food or ammo to us. But as far as I am concerned anyone who would write, judge, lawyer or enforce laws that are contrary to the constitution (which is based on BIBLICAL law, precepts, mandates, commandments etc.) is already engaged in treason and is worthy of it’s reward.

Arm up, carry on.

USA
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USA

DB, The Patriot Act of which they created for us before 9/11 and signed into law just days after is being used against them. It will be poetic justice when they swing.

Deplorable Bill
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Deplorable Bill

I hope they televise it live on national TV.

Arm up, carry on.

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

USA, this is why I tell people to beware NRS, SAF, and others. I have presented them (LaPierre, Gottlieb), in person, with rulings that show permit systems to be unconstitutional, yet, NRA has been fighting to institute permit systems in states without them, and to promote federal reciprocity, which is merely a means to make all those whose states do not have permits, or who have crafted laws where people do not need them, to get permit systems created so all gun owners are registered. I often think these two organizations on which gun owners rely so heavily may be… Read more »

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

The MuSlims are now aligned with the party of leftism – Demo(n)cRATic(k)s (evil. blood sucking, vermin). They are two peas in a pod, both anti-American, both seeking to murder those who disagree with them, and who will not submit to the will of their false god, whether ‘Allah,’ or ‘big government.’ Anyone who thinks they don;t want war hasn’t been listening to antifa, hasn’t been watching those who spit on, beat, throw eggs at, Trump supporters. There are 63 million of us, if not more, yet, we aren’t prepared. meme I saw the other day says peace loving people are… Read more »

JaysGone
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JaysGone

Screw that little twerp Bloomberger.
He thinks he is better then you or me because he can buy and sell people. Buying people just demands a weak mind as most Lbitards have been shown to have.
Any new laws brought up in Virginia deserve to be ignored as any unconstitutional law deserves to be.
Civil disobedience works best if one has the conviction to take it.
Jury nullification is another chance to take if taking a proper stand gets one in trouble.
Any unjust bought and paid for laws. Demand to be disobeyed.

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

Do not think that the small minded are only on the left. There are many RiNO’s who will go along for the money. Kruschev said they only need sit back to watch our lust for money destroy us from internal enemies.

USA
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USA

It’s really not Rocket Science to see that they are going to outlaw every gun in the country while Americans try and figure out which infringements they are willing to accept when not one is except-able. Give this a year and all Americans will be joining those contraband sporting Bump-Stock boys. “Law abiding” criminals in fact. Keep supporting the infringements you like and surrender your country but do it alone because I’m not supporting a single infringement therefore to me any of you who support infringements are the problem and we are clearly not on the same side. It’s either… Read more »

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

USA, likewise. I call you friend.

USA
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USA

2br, Thanks, I can use more friends.

Stripeseven
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Stripeseven

They are nothing more than common criminals that could care less about Constitutional rights. They have written off one of the greatest documents ever created, in an attempt to make the freedom that so many have fought and died for….. meaningless…. We want our old America back….

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

If you want it, you are going to have to take it. They will not relinquish power freely, or easily.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

5000+ Armed Virginians in the capital when they go to vote, in a group but remaining peaceable and not adhering to directions of law enforcement is what it might take. I hope things don’t end badly, but it will be one of these confiscatory bills that will set off a hot civil war. Which one it will be, or where, is unpredictable. What is predictable is that somewhere there is going to be a tyrant who will give the order to go in there and shoot those uncooperative civilians if they have to, and that is going to lead to… Read more »

2brknot2bfree
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2brknot2bfree

We had 15,000 in Albany, and they disregarded us. You need 15,000 armed, and ready to do violence.

TheRevelator
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TheRevelator

@2brknot2bfree Not to do violence, but ready to defend. It is one thing if they push it through to walk in and disrupt the procession or force them out of the capital to send them home. If fired on while doing so, self defense would be understandable, but engaging in violence out of anger will not work. And yes, 5000 would be enough to overwhelm the capital police. Now you might say there are 23,000 law enforcement officers in the entire state of Virginia. Out of 8.5 Million people, even if the rate of firearms ownership is estimated low at… Read more »

Paul71
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Paul71

These liberals are setting the stage for another Hong Kong scenario.

Baldwin
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Baldwin

IF…if they are, they didn’t notice Hong Kong isn’t armed.

Jaque
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Jaque

Dont forget, one day the stars of Satan will align and put a fully committed communist government in place with both congressional houses and the presidency aligned to end the Second Amendment. What activist judges are doing to illegal immigration today they will do to gun possession.

And when the day comes that national gun confiscation is upon us are you prepared to surrender or resist ? Because Its coming.

Wild Bill
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Wild Bill

Whatever happens will happen in the cities, first, As for me, I got out my router and made a quaint little house numbers sign (1234 blabla road), … and put it on the currently unoccupied caretaker house about two hundred yards up the drive way. Then I made similar sign (1324 no road cited), and set the sign on the outside of the permitter fence surrounding the main house.

USA
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USA

WB, Then shoot holes through the signs from the rear forward so people know what to expect and put out “Beware Rattlesnakes” signage.

Heed the Call-up
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Heed the Call-up

This law shows how stupid these people are that write these inane laws. One firearm that was an actual weapon of war that many private citizens do own would not be banned by this legislation, the Garand. I also can’t imagine criminals use large capacity shotguns in crimes. If anything, they are usually used as fun range toys, and some believe in owning them for home defense, just as some have their AR-15 platform rifles. These laws only serve one purpose, disarming law-abiding citizens. This law will create millions of felons. The fiscal impact statement attached to the bill states… Read more »

Finnky
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Finnky

Might want to include decreases in income tax revenue from imprisoning hit earners, and increases in social services costs from having to support so many newly broken families.

USA
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USA

When “laws” are purchased the “law abiding” suffer the consequences. It’s how we got here today being good “law abiding” slaves.

Quatermain
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Quatermain

Dear Virginians, if this ban is passed you have the legal right to remove the governor and legislature by any means at your disposal. You are aware of that aren’t you?

krunchnik
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krunchnik

The law would even ban my Savage 93 22 mag because it has a evil thumbhole stock-what a bunch of maroons

USA
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USA

Krunchnik, Caulk fills holes, it’s the handgun with pistol grip ban I’m waiting to see roll out.