Place Blame for the Coronavirus Pandemic Where Blame is Due: On China

The World in The Grip Of An Ominous, Deadly Plague: The Chinese Coronovirus
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U.S.A.-(Ammoland.com)- First, we know that Premier Xi hid evidence of the Coronavirus. The Chinese Government deserves our condemnation for concealing the Chinese Coronavirus from the outside world. This enabled the rapid spread of the virus.

U.S. News and World Report confirms this:

“The disclosure of [Premier Xi’s February 23, 2020] speech indicates top leaders knew about the outbreak’s potential severity at least two weeks before such dangers were made known to the public. It was not until late January that officials said the virus can spread between humans and public alarm began to rise.”

Second, Xi would not allow epidemiologists and virologists into China to study the virus, and to assist the Chinese Government in effectively containing it. That is one matter that remains to be studied in depth at a later date. But, Bloomberg news, in a February 2020 article, titled: “U.S. Experts Seeking Outbreak Access Kept Waiting by China,” said:

“U.S. officials have said they’ve offered for weeks to send front-line disease experts to China to study the outbreak, which originated in the city of Wuhan, and consult with colleagues there on how to stop it.

‘We haven’t been invited yet,’ Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, told reporters Wednesday.”

“ ‘We’ve offered the Chinese the opportunity to have American doctors from CDC, NIH and others,’” National Security Adviser Robert O’Brien said Tuesday evening {February 11, 2020} in Washington. “ ‘That offer’s not been accepted at this point, but it’s an outstanding offer.’”

Third, Xi’s Government knew of the serious threat posed by the virus outbreak, as his Government wanted him to take no chances when he made a publicity tour visit to Wuhan Province. The Asian Times reported on March 11, 2020, in a news article, titled, “Xi’s trip to Wuhan fails to restore confidence:

“Chinese President Xi Jinping has finally visited Wuhan, ground zero of the still-unfolding pneumonic plague, reportedly spending less than 10 hours in the virus ravaged central Chinese city on Tuesday, before flying back to Beijing in the evening. . . . Reporters with state media told Asia Times on condition of anonymity that Xi’s whirlwind visit only lasted for a little over nine hours. After touching down at Wuhan’s airport, he was whisked off to a local hospital in a limo fitted with top-grade antiviral and biohazard gear.”

Fourth, Xi’s Government hid and continues to hide evidence of the impact of this virulent disease from the world, as it forces U.S. reporters to leave China. See, e.g., articles posted online in theguardian.com and in news.com.au

Fifth, while it is clear the Chinese Coronavirus originated in China, what isn’t clear is how the virus manifested in China. Did the virus originate and spread from an outdoor food market, as widely reported? If so, that would suggest mere accident at best or, at worst, gross negligence or reckless disregard for the health and well-being of the common people of China apropos of, one, how food happens to manufactured and distributed in China and, two, the sort of things the Chinese people consume. But, what if the Chinese Coronavirus did not originate or disseminate from an outdoor food market, as widely reported. What if the virus did not arise in nature but was artificially created by the Chinese Government, in a biological weapons lab? If so, was this virus then recklessly unleashed, or, conceivably, deliberately deployed on the world? Is this idea far-fetched? One U.S. Senator thinks the matter deserves investigation. Senator Tom Cotton (R-AR) suspects that the Chinese Government created this virus as a biological weapon, as he reports his suspicions on Fox News.

And, the dailymail.co.uk reports:

“Chinese scientists believe the deadly coronavirus may have started life in a research facility just 300 yards from the Wuhan fish market.

A new bombshell paper from the Beijing-sponsored South China University of Technology says that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control (WHCDC) could have spawned the contagion in Hubei province.

‘The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus,’ penned by scholars Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao claims the WHCDC kept disease-ridden animals in laboratories, including 605 bats.

It also mentions that bats – which are linked to coronavirus—once attacked a researcher and ‘blood of bat was on his skin.’”

The Conservative New York Post writes:

“At an emergency meeting in Beijing held last Friday, Chinese leader Xi Jinping spoke about the need to contain the coronavirus and set up a system to prevent similar epidemics in the future.

A national system to control bio-security risks must be put in place “to protect the people’s health,” Xi said, because lab safety is a “national security” issue.

Xi didn’t actually admit that the coronavirus now devastating large swaths of China had escaped from one of the country’s bio-research labs. But the very next day, evidence emerged suggesting that this is exactly what happened, as the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology released a new directive titled: ‘Instructions on strengthening bio-security management in microbiology labs that handle advanced viruses like the novel coronavirus.’

What’s more, the People’s Liberation Army’s top expert in biological warfare, a Maj. Gen. Chen Wei, was dispatched to Wuhan at the end of January to help with the effort to contain the outbreak.

According to the PLA Daily, Chen has been researching coronaviruses since the SARS outbreak of 2003, as well as Ebola and anthrax. This would not be her first trip to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, either, since it is one of only two bio-weapons research labs in all of China.

Does that suggest to you that the novel coronavirus, now known as SARS-CoV-2, may have escaped from that very lab, and that Chen’s job is to try to put the genie back in the bottle, as it were? It does to me.

Add to this China’s history of similar incidents. Even the deadly SARS virus has escaped — twice — from the Beijing lab where it was (and probably is) being used in experiments. Both “man-made” epidemics were quickly contained, but neither would have happened at all if proper safety precautions had been taken.

And then there is this little-known fact: Some Chinese researchers are in the habit of selling their laboratory animals to street vendors after they have finished experimenting on them.”

Curiously, the seditious Leftist mainstream media won’t touch this story. Perhaps The New York Times and the Washington Post, along with CNN and MSNBC, believe the story to outlandish to investigate and comment on. Or perhaps they don’t wish to antagonize Premier Xi. Not that these seditious “news” sources don’t ever concoct wild yarns and endlessly regurgitate nonsense.

Certainly, the origin of the Chinese Coronavirus deserves more attention. Yet the mainstream media accepts the notion and propagates the basic story line that the virus somehow arose, accidentally, in an outdoor food market. It then leaves the matter at that, apparently afraid to antagonize Premier Xi; and yet demonstrates no reluctance in castigating President Trump for what he did or didn’t do, after the fact, to contain the spread of the deadly virus in the U.S. We discuss the reprehensible actions of the seditious U.S. Press, in our next, upcoming, segment on the Chinese Coronavirus.

Yet, the Slate, despite its left-wing bent, is one website that seems to have developed a pang of conscience. The Slate is no friend of the U.S. President, but, even a leftist website apparently feels there is a limit to the onslaught of vituperative vitriol that mainstream journalism pours without letup onto Trump, in this time of crisis.

The Slate writes, in its article, titled, “China Is Not the Hero of the Pandemic:

“You can criticize Trump without parroting Beijing’s propaganda.

“When Chinese scientists identified a mystery virus in December 2019, they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples, and suppress the news. When Chinese medical professionals began to sound the alarm, they were seized by police. For weeks, when Chinese state media went on air or to print, they ignored the virus’s spread. When government cadres heard rumors of some new SARS-like virus, they kept their heads down and continued praising party leader Xi Jinping.

China’s strategy to fight COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, though later praised by the World Health Organization and scientists worldwide, consisted of cover-ups, lies, and repression. It also failed miserably, exposing the world to this deadly sickness.

After claiming yesterday to have no new cases of the virus, China is now trying to take a victory lap, emphasizing the strength of its response—and the United States’ apparent failures—while spreading conspiracies that the U.S. government manufactured the virus. And while U.S. President Donald Trump’s sluggishness toward the outbreak merits criticism, China’s endangering of the world with its initial incompetence is certainly more to blame. Some of Trump’s fiercest public critics, however, have in their condemnations of the president remarkably ignored China’s faults or even praised the Chinese Communist Party’s response. In doing so, they are propagating falsehoods—and Chinese propaganda.”



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Doszap
Doszap
1 year ago

Add the US Government to it, the dumb shites helped FUND the research.

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
1 year ago

Actually the total blame belongs to the CCP, not China. When One talks about China, I think of the People there who do not have the FREEDOMS Americans have.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@USA, Cut funding!

JPM
JPM
1 year ago

China may be the source of the virus, but the media and the government are to blame for the unjustified and needless panic.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  JPM

4,500 more deaths than normal in NYC in the month of March. That’s more than in the month of September in 2001! I guess our reaction to 9/11 was then also unjustified and needless panic?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, Four thousand and five hundred fewer liberal New Yorkers than normal!! What was the downside again?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill (1) What makes you think all NYC deaths are liberals? NYC is full with people working in the financial industry that are quite conservative. (2) I didn’t know that American lives are expendable to you depending on their political leaning! Do you support genocide too?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

Imagine such a comment after 9/11!

Knute
Knute
1 year ago

It would appear quite obvious that CF knows precisely nothing about the “financial industry”!

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

It would appear that you not only replied to the wrong post, but also have nothing left but personal attacks. Do you have any actual argument regarding the discussion at hand?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, Just cool your jets. Go get a glass of whisky and some pickled herring, and then chill out.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill As I said, imagine such a comment after 9/11. Would that be a joke for you too? There were New Yorkers in those towers! Is it a joke to call them expendable, because they were liberals? Or is it just distasteful? Is there no sense of decency anymore?

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, (1) I bet that they support diminished Second Amendment Constitutionally enshrined civil Rights. (2) They’re not, but I know a good joke when I see one! If you don’t like it … well … don’t laugh!

Quatermain
Quatermain
1 year ago

This was either a deliberate act of war or gross negligence. There are no other options. China must be held accountable and pay reparations starting with the repudiation of all debts by the US.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Quatermain

That’s not how the financial industry works. Eliminating debt like that has consequences for all involved. It would declare the US economy as junk status, not worth lending to. The only way to reduce our debt is to get it under control. We have failed to do that under both parties for the last 20 years. We are currently moving in the wrong direction.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, The problem is that money people only look through a financial lens, and conclude that we are moving in the wrong direction. Medical people only look through medical lens and conclude that we need to wrap every individual on the planet in a cocoon for six more months. Bureaucrats only look through the lens of their agency. Politicians only look through the lens of what is good for their party. Students of the Constitution, only look through our lens and conclude differently. I think that none of us appreciate how difficult the decision is for the one man that… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill, I agree!

Knute
Knute
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

That’s what happens when people are forced into over-specialization, like the system the US has now. Very few have the overall knowledge base to be able to see the forest. For all the rest there are too many trees in their way to see anything, let alone the forest! 🙂
Again, this is what makes certain ones sheep. {all present company exempted, OFC.}

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago

Did China suppress information about the virus? Clearly. You can expect this from governments, especially ones that are particularly authoritarian.

Could China have stopped this once community spread began? No. Every government tried, to some degree. None stopped it.

Government is not the question nor the answer, and it simply has no power to protect you from this. This is a virus, and it doesn’t speak your blame-game politics.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

Funny, how other viruses were contained by providing knowledge early on, but not this one. Yes, China is to blame! Arguing that viruses can not be contained, when that is exactly what we did in the past with other viruses, is nonsensical. It is the lack of information from China that made this particular virus uncontainable. It is the incompetence of the Chinese government that enabled the spread of this virus in China and to the rest of the world. According to you, any virus containment protocol we have is ineffective and we should just ignore it: Ebola, H1N1, H1N5,… Read more »

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago

None of which had a reproduction number anywhere near that of this one.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

FALSE! SARS did have the same R0, for example. We also recently contained the Measles in the unvaccinated Jewish community. Measles has an R0 of 12–18. Virus containment protocols work, if they are followed. China simply did not follow them!

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago

Why then, does it seem every country that identifies a couple of cases turns into a country with a couple of hundred cases in a couple of weeks? Why don’t they contain it? Is it multiple points of origin? Nope. In places where cases have been identified, community spread happens. Could we agree that this one is going under-reported even now? That asymptomatic carriers are somewhere around 30% of infected, but we don’t really know because we don’t have the data? That the incubational period in a significant portion of the population can be as long as 11-12 days (cutoff… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

It is likely too late now to contain it. Containment with something as infectious as this begins early and at the point of outbreak. China made that impossible for itself and for the rest of the world! The outbreak in Europe was at multiple locations, so was the outbreak in the US. China had the advantage of a single outbreak location, but covering up the outbreak by silencing those doctors that discovered it and lying to the WHO was more important. China valued its image in the world more than its own people. Now, China is on a world tour… Read more »

Laddyboy
Laddyboy
1 year ago

@CF: Question: Of the 22,843 deaths, it would be interesting to know how many were DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTED to the WuFlu? There is scuttlebutt that many of the deaths were not DIRECTLY DUE to the CCPFlu. The rumor is many deaths were due to other reasons – but were counted as ChinaFlu fatalities.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Laddyboy

@Laddyboy NYC had 9,000 deaths in the month of March from ALL CAUSES. Twice as many as normal, which is 4,500. This is while the city was shut down and traffic deaths were down. For comparison, NYC had 7,000 deaths in the month of September in 2001. The idea that people who were dying anyway are now just reclassified as Wuhan virus deaths is ludicrous. The death numbers from all causes say otherwise. In fact, they say we are likely undercounting Wuhan virus deaths, as many people die at home and are never getting tested. As to your emphasis on… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

@TD, What the Chinese are doing goes way beyond mere politics. They are positioning themselves to win a war against the USA.

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

China is bent on global superiority, no doubt. The idea that they released this on their own people, and ultimately the entire world, purposely to win some war against the U.S. doesn’t pass the what-people-just-want-to-believe test.

Then there’s the question of whether they were developing bioweapons and accidentally leaked one. Seems more plausible, but it’s been discredited by studying the genetic material of the virus.

What seems the most plausible is that people like to be able to point fingers so they can do something with their anger and fear.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

@TD, What makes you think that the Chinese intended to release this on their own people? Do you have sources?
The “implausibility by studying the genetic material” is Chinese propaganda.

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Nothing does. I think you misunderstood me there.

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

@TexDad – I would go a step further. We’ve known this was possible for quite some time. Along the lines of “fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” – why were we not more prepared both physically and mentally for something like this. Not to cast blame as we at all complicit. I know that there is much introspection going into how to be better set up for next time – big question is whether we will follow through with preparations and the will to maintain long term preparation. My bet is that budgets will… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

, I think that Trump knows that he has to move slowly on the Chinese because if we stopped doing business with them all at once, we would have war the next day. Remember when FDR cut off scrap steel exports to Japan? I don’t know for sure.
American businesses would line up against Trump, in the next election, if he cut them off all at once.
As to Fauci, maybe something about not changing horses in mid stream. Again, I don’t know for sure.

KenW
KenW
1 year ago

Hi Will;
ChiCom Flu-19

Quatermain
Quatermain
1 year ago
Reply to  KenW

WuFlu

TexDad
TexDad
1 year ago

No, the coronavirus wasn’t made in a lab.

The coronavirus did not escape from a lab.

Your opinion comes out of your desire to do exactly what the title of this article says.

Place blame.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

@TD, I don’t look at this as a matter of blame. This is a wake up call.

WhiteRose
WhiteRose
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Greetings WB…wake up call is spot on…ALL the DATA is faulty regarding this virus; there are numerous lab tests being administered with each one testing something different because we do not have a specific lab test yet for this specific virus. We know for a fact that both the Ministry of Health in Italy and our CDC have both stated that hospitals treating this ‘virus’ classify all patients with this virus and all deaths are likewise classified as occurring from this virus. There is NO pathology testing to affirm the conclusions, merely assumptions. The Data is faulty and without context.… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  WhiteRose

@WR, What is a global cabal and does it control the Chinese Communist party?

WhiteRose
WhiteRose
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

F:or illustration a pyramid with ‘the’ bankers being on top (those in attendance at eh Bildeberg meetings and the Central Banking System founding members. They have created a massive financial web that have tiers of peking order and function; eg, the regional Central Banks ( ours being the Federal Reserve), their subsets of smaller regions; the IMF; the Libor (inter bank rate of exchange); the EU bank; the WHO; the UN & their subsets; in this country the Foundations; the Corporations; etc…remember that WW2 IBM worked with the Nazis as did other bankers and corporate interests. ‘They’ use us and… Read more »

WhiteRose
WhiteRose
1 year ago
Reply to  WhiteRose

and yes that includes China with their Inter-Asian Investment Banking System. Remember the Kissinger visit and the bankers who went with him? It set the tone and the mechanisms that followed to create the China of today. ‘They’ need a boogie man for us to focus our attention away from what they are doing to us. So they got all the corporations and industry to leave the USA and plant roots elsewhere with cheap labor and we paid for their departure and paid for any loss of revenue that they may experience in their move. Of course we are more… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  WhiteRose

@WR, The Chinese Communists have a hundred million man modern army, that includes navy and air force, but they don’t take orders from some theoretic cabal.
How many divisions does your imaginary cabal have?

WhiteRose
WhiteRose
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I share with you these two links as a primer: https://youtu.be/jCSbwRJp6yY & https://youtu.be/1FRZ3Igh7jU

WhiteRose
WhiteRose
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

I left two links as a primer for your review. Regretfully it was rejected or censored by the moderator. I’ll try it this way: Do a YouTube search for the Corbett Report. It has proven to be a very good source for information that can be checked by the listener.

Be Safe my brother

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

NYC had 9,000 deaths in the month of March from ALL CAUSES. Twice as many as normal, which is 4,500. For comparison, NYC had 7,000 deaths in September 2011. I rest my case on the debunked theory that death certificates are falsified to increase the COVID-19 death numbers.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, source of your claim?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up Publicly available mortality statistics of NYC: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/data/data-sets/vital-statistics-data.page. The NY Times wrote an article about it: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/10/upshot/coronavirus-deaths-new-york-city.html. Also, the September 2011 is obviously a typo. It’s September 2001, as in 9/11.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, did you look at the spike in flu-related deaths in your link? That is more than the number of deaths you claim to be related to COVID-19. You might want review your data.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up, I am talking about the TOTAL number of deaths in NYC from ALL causes. Irrespective of how you classify these deaths, the FACT is that NYC had TWICE the number of deaths per month than normal, just in the month of March. Not in February, just in March. The only explainable cause for that is COVID-19! Those people that argue that the COVID-19 death numbers are inflated because they get classified wrong have it simply wrong and make political arguments. We are actually UNDERCOUNTING COVID-19 deaths. That is in the data! NYC had 4,500 more dead people… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, yes, I understand. I looked at the data again. One it states they speculate that the increase is due to COVID-19, the other shows the CDC spike in flu-related deaths that counts for a large part of the increase in deaths. I am not sure you are reading the data-sets so much as buying the narrative of the news story.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up, I am reading that data. You apparently reading someone’s narrative. Are you saying that the flu killed 4,500 people in March in New York City alone? That would be Spanish Flu level deaths! Here is the CDC’s Weekly Influenza report: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm. It clearly shows a spike in flu deaths, but not as high as in late December/early January. This means that Flu deaths do get reported, contrary to what some conspiracy theorists say. By the way, we still test people for the flu. Such a test is mandatory for hospitalization! The flu has different symptoms than COVID-19… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, you are reading the data, but going along with the narrative that the spike in deaths must be related to COVID-19, when even your last link, again, shows the highest level rate of flu in NY/NYC. It also shows a very high rate of death related to the flu, double their stated epidemic level. It also states it assumes the high number of pneumonia deaths are likely due to COVI-19. However, if they could discount flu-related pneumonia, or confirm that they were COVID-19, they would have stated that, therefore, there is no basis in fact. The first link you… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up, so you think the unprecedented spike in deaths in NYC is related to the flu? You realize that would mean we suddenly had the most deadly flu outbreak since the last 100 years, right? Here is the thing, it is UNDENIABLE that we have a huge spike in deaths in NYC. Anyone saying otherwise is just spewing propaganda. Now, you can believe that these deaths are caused by a sudden unexpected outbreak of an unknown super deadly flu virus, or you can believe that they are caused by the sudden and expected outbreak of the known super… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, I have no scenario, nor did I state that all the deaths are related to the flu. If you read the story, and the CDC data, it does not state that the spike in deaths *is* related to COVID-19. Yes, it states that they believe that to be so, but that they have no proof of that. However, you willfully believe, without basis in fact, that that it is – and that is my only point.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up, first of all, a significant number of those deaths are proven to be COVID-19 deaths, as they had been tested before or after they died. It is not like hospitals are just making stuff up as they go. The CDC changed its guidelines for counting suspected COVID-19 deaths in April, so the 3,350 COVID-19 deaths in NYC were confirmed. The entire reason for the CDC changing its guidelines was the spike in pneumonia reports and the gap of 1,150 unexplained deaths in NYC. Second, the proof you want, you will never get, even if we didn’t had… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Heed the Call-up Publicly available mortality statistics of NYC. You will need to wait for the Ammoland moderators to approve my comment to see the links. Also, “September 2011” is obviously a typo. It’s September 2001, as in 9/11.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago

CF, yes, I understood you meant 9/11, I was not questioning you on that. However, as the video explained many deaths recorded as COVID-19 are, in fact, not COVID-19 deaths. So regardless of the numbers, they are not accurate. You can either believe the propaganda or educate yourself. I am not stating that there are not COVID-19 deaths, only that the numbers are being inflated. Another question we will never be able to answer is, by how much. You seem to want to believe the increase in deaths are directly related to the virus, but without any evidence to support… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 year ago
Reply to  Knute

She stated all the issues quite clearly. I have read about this from other sources, too. It would seem the Chinese did this with the sole intention of destabilizing our government and economy. I know many would view that opinion as a conspiracy theory, but those would be those that are willing to believe the Chinese propaganda. There are many incidents of the Chinese taking advantage wherever they can to not believe this is true. Whether it was intentional or just taking advantage of a bad situation, they are using this fully to their advantage. If it were us –… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@Heed, Yes, the best thing that we could do is never do business with China, again. We made China wealthy and powerful. The Chinese Communists are using that wealth and power to create the conditions for victory over the USA.

Degforyou
Degforyou
1 year ago
Reply to  TexDad

I think you are mistakenly wrong about lab. I’ll give reason I think your wrong. The Doc. that tried spilling the beans (so to speak) has not been seen or heard of since day after he tried blowing whistle on Wuhu.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

My buddy in the bio-feedback industry claims they’ve been seeing covid-19 in the US for two years now.

My bio-feedback buddy is INFINITELY more credible and believable than anyone in our federal government (the same federal government that bullsh***ed their way thru the WTC building collapses, the Pee-Pee dossier, the Waco Texas and Ruby Ridge fiascos – to name a few).

Funny how Americans are hyper-selective when it comes to supporting their government.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

LOL. Your “buddy in the bio-feedback industry” probably doesn’t even exist, or only in your mind. If the virus existed already 2 years ago, then why did we not see this explosive outbreak earlier? NYC had 9,000 deaths in the month of March. Twice as many as normal, 4,500. For comparison, NYC had 7,000 deaths in September 2011. If the virus existed before in the US, then why is it that 4,500 more people were killed by it in NYC in the month of March, but not for the lat 2 years? Funny how gun owners are going completely retard… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

Foxtrot

Who knows [why we didn’t see a mass outbreak earlier]? Could it have been propagated and distributed?? Absolutely possible.

But funny how the virus is being blamed 100% for the deaths of people who were on their deathbed anyway – Hell, even contracting a common cold would’ve killed a lot of them.

Just say’n the virus is not new and “unknown”, and our government has a long, long history of lying to us.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

@Buster, my point is that your scenario is mathematically impossible! It is only possible for people that have zero understanding of how the world works and want to believe in kooky conspiracy theories instead. Also, I see you buy into this “they were dying anyway” crap, while I showed you the data that this is not the case. NYC has seen TWICE the number of deaths than normal in the month of March. They continue to see that in the month of April. You are no different than those kooks that tell parents of school shooting victims that their dead… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

Charlie Foxtrot

You’re saying that it’s mathematically impossible that the virus existed in the US two years ago?? I don’t believe that for even a nano-second.

Based on your theory, ebola would have wiped us out already – very deadly, no vaccine, insufficient ppe and hospital supplies, no quarantines or health checks at points of entry – yet here we are, ebola-free.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

@Buster, you simply don’t understand the concept of exponential growth. If the coronavirus existed two years ago, we would have heard about it, yet we didn’t. If it existed two years ago, then why is it that we are only seeing significant deaths from it now. It must be a pretty lame virus to cause deaths 2 years after its initial outbreak. But then, that would not explain the sudden exponential growth in cases and deaths. What you propose is mathematically impossible! You heard about Eloba every time there was an outbreak, yet we didn’t hear anything about this supposed… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, been following your conversation. I only have one modification: you are aware, of course, that Ebola did “get loose” in Reston, Va.
Ebola Reston was contained by the courageous heroes of USAMRIID. Give me a little time and I’ll make some calls to get the name and rank of the team commander that put on a full suit and did what had to be done.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

charlie ft

you’re naive to think health officials (read government) keeps you fully informed.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, then you can surely provide me with some evidence?

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

@cf How many times does a person/entity have to lie to you before you distrust them?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, so no evidence, just the hearsay of a supposed buddy of yours with a nonsensical and easily disprovable story. Got it! And I am supposed to trust you? LOL

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

, go to other gun forums. It is utter madness there. While it may not be ALL gun owners, it it a significant percentage.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, Can you suggest some as an example?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill Most of the forums I am on are associated with training schools and are alumni or by invitation only. They are closed to the general public. As for public forums, go to your state’s primary gun forum, like mine (tngunowners.com), or arfcom, or defensivecarry.com, or just TTAG.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, Can you get me an invitation?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill Nope, must be an alumni or get an invitation from the trainer or a moderator. I am not a trainer or a moderator.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago

@CF, But you converse with them.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill I trained with them. Invitations are based on knowing the people in person, such as based on training. Train with those companies and you will get invited. It is widely known that many firearms trainers have private forums or Facebook groups. James Yeager at Tactical Response is running a public forum at https://libertv.com and a separate private alumni Facebook group.

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago

@CF – While I agree that conspiracy theorists tend to become gun owners due to their paranoia and distrust of everything anyone tells them – however it is hard to agree that they make up a large fraction of all gun owners. Going by forum posts simply means you are listening to those screaming in the street and assume they represent the entire population. Those of us who don’t believe the nut jobs generally have better things to do than refuting the noise. Perhaps you could get gallop to run a poll looking for the correlation you are espousing. Of… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

I am not talking about conspiracy theorists becoming gun owners, but gun owners becoming conspiracy theorists out of nowhere because the conservative talking heads they listen to have become conspiracy theorists. Some of these people I used to train with and trust my life with! Now, hell no! For many of these, there is an obvious profit motive.

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago

@CF – Please refrain from prejudiced statements like “gun owners are going complete retard”. Gun ownership is a separate from “going completely retard”. Conspiracy theorists exist in almost every subgroup of people you can find in the US. Your post above makes you sound as kooky as Buster and like a Bloomberg fanboy.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

@Finnky Maybe I have overstated it a little bit, but the amount of utter nonsense posted in gun-related boards and forums has increased quite a bit. The arguments in many of these posts often come form certain, well known, conservative talking heads that have their own political agenda. They are repeated verbatim without any critical thought. Much of this nonsense can be easily debunked. Pointing these facts out does not make me sound as kooky as Buster or like a Bloomberg fanboy. It rather raises the issue that our community makes itself look like idiots with conspiracy theories in their… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, Those are all different agencies of the government. You paint with too broad of a brush.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

@Wild Bill
Maybe so. Perhaps a shorter list would be all the federal agencies that DO NOT lie to us.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, And Buster has neither a clearance nor a need to know, either.

Autsin Miller III
Autsin Miller III
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

From Bing. Com
BIO- FEEDBACK
“NOUN
a process whereby electronic monitoring of a normally automatic bodily function is used to train someone to acquire voluntary control of that function.”

What does the “Bio-feedback” industry have to do with anything related to Covid-19?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago

@Autsin Miller III, your failure is to apply logic to an Ammoland post. There is none!

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

@Autsin Miller III Bio-feedback is an off-shoot of quantum physics. Bio-feedback was formed back in the late 60’s and studied in earnest by the Meninger Institute up thru the mid to late 70’s. Bio-feedback was intended as a means of administering health care to astronauts traveling in space. The name “bio-feedback” is slowly giving way the the term “energy medicine”, as the practice is gaining repore in the medical community. Bio-feedback measures the resonant frequency of something (or anything) and enables a pathway whereby that something can be manipulated. It can be a tectonic plate, a gall bladder, an immune… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, you deserve a Nobel Prize. You found the “resonant frequency of COVID-19” with “witchcraft/wiccan”. LOL.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

@CF Your ignorance is trumped only by your condescending arrogance.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, in contrast to you, I actually know the stuff I am talking about. You want to fight COVID-19 with witchcraft using its “resonant frequency”! LOL You are a few hundred years too late for that type of approach.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago

Too bad you weren’t born back in the late 1800’s – your superior intellect could’ve saved Brown, Tesla, Schroedenger, and [that kook of all kooks] Albert Einstein a whole lot of needless work.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

, resorting to personal attacks now. How innovative!

Finnky
Finnky
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

@Buster – So you found some textbooks and decided to string important sounding words together? Bio-feedback and quantum physics are VERY unrelated – unless you count physicists who failed and made dramatic career changes thereafter. Bio-feedback is a way of measuring biological indicators in a person and providing feedback to that individual so that they can learn to control the targeted aspect of their own body. No way to use it to manipulate tectonic plates or anything external to the individual – except to extent is helps a scientist control their ADHD and allows them to invent new technologies. Quantum… Read more »

Buster
Buster
1 year ago
Reply to  Finnky

I said it’s an off-shoot, and I stand by that.

Arny
Arny
1 year ago

Sorry I will keep a open mind on this one. Our own labs don’t have a great track record either. And I know for a fact Ft Dietrek was also using Fruit Bats with the Marburg Virus. As they reported themselves. And the CDC also shut them down. Do we know ALL the reasons or just what they want to put out ? We also had a Anthrax escape from this same lab. And how do we know that what is being reported from the Fake News to be true ? There should be a trial for the World to… Read more »

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Arny

, Pursuant to what authority, do you think that the CDC could shut down USAMRIID?

Trouble
Trouble
1 year ago

The COVID-19 virus is more than very obviously an engineered biological weapon & what has happened is an act of global warfare by the Communist Chinese regime. The commies have put on massive propaganda efforts to conceal the obvious & hide behind negligence to create a lack of accountability , and the world perhaps out of fear of War with the Communist Chinese empire refuses to acknowledge the reality that this has been a biological warfare attack , both on the world & especially US Whether we continue to hide our heads in the sand like ostriches or confront the… Read more »

Dubi Loo
Dubi Loo
1 year ago

No matter if it came from the wet market or a bio-weapons lab, China owes us reparations. I suggest we abdicate ALL of our debt with China.

nobodyuknow
nobodyuknow
1 year ago

Corona Virus-19. Weaponized by the Chinese Communists, surely under the direction of Xi Jinping. Purposely loosed by the Chinese Communists on an unsuspecting world! This Communist scum in China – led by Jinping – is responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths worldwide – including the murder of their own citizens! Time for the world to completely isolate China – AND I MEAN ISOLATE – until the Chinese Communists are GONE! This means you too, Putin!

Arny
Arny
1 year ago
Reply to  nobodyuknow

Curious as to what they had to gain when they were making Billions if not Trillions off the world ? Accident maybe but intentional highly doubt it. I do know of a group that would benefit greatly. That doesn’t want the US economy to open back up. Where’s Hunter ?

Vern
Vern
1 year ago

I have often wondered how the world economies could be taken down as is written about in the book of Revelation. In the sixth chapter it talks about the “Four Horsemen of the Apocalyspe,” the first is the white horse with a rider in a white robe, the second is a red horse, the third is a black horse, the forth is a pale horse. The book is of the prophecies of the last days, and could not happen until Israel became a nation. I believe the first horseman was sent out in the form of Islam as it attacked… Read more »

Vern
Vern
1 year ago
Reply to  Vern

The whole world has lots of evil that is no longer lurking below the surface nor hiding, it is simply waiting to strike.

Buster
Buster
1 year ago
Reply to  Vern


I read your post with the Johnny Cash song “When the Man Comes Around” in the back of my head 🙂

Vern
Vern
1 year ago
Reply to  Buster

Back in the day he was one of my favorites, the church condemned what he and his wife did but I think they made things right with the Lord.
Jesus said time would be shortened and that those things He spoke of would be accomplished in one generation. Next month on the 14th it will be one generation since Israel became a nation in one day. A lot has gone on over the last few years, but it is only the tip of the broiler that is being over turned.

Grigori
Grigori
1 year ago

I understand there were some kind of military athletic games in China last year, around September, October, or November, with American soldiers participating. I have read that the Chinese were claiming that the virus might be one of OUR weaponized viruses and may have been released by our military while they were visiting China. Oh, and the games were supposedly held in the Wuhan area.

The question then would be regarding who is lying and who is telling the truth. China’s government lies. Our government lies.

Does anyone have a coin I can toss?

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Grigori

Let’s just follow, for a moment, the kooky idea that we somehow released the virus in China. China still lied about it!!! So, stop repeating Chinese propaganda and use your brain! This virus makes a poor bioweapon. It is more infectious than many other viruses, such as the flu. It is also significantly less deadly as other viruses, such as Ebola. It is close to impossible to contain without crippling an entire country, yet it “only” kills ~1-3% of the infected. Any country using this virus as a bioweapon is shooting itself in the head, as demonstrated by the current… Read more »

Arny
Arny
1 year ago

And do you know what Ft Dietrek is & was doing ? Or any of the other labs in the USA ? Where’s Hunter ? Will the elections happen ? Will they be by mail in ballots ? I know for a fact Ft Dietrek has had issues in the past. Such as Anthrax that got out. And they were shut down. And I believe one of the American bicyclist in the races in Wuhan works at US lab. So could she have contacted by accident or intentional ? This is where there should be a trial for the world… Read more »

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
1 year ago
Reply to  Arny

Conspiracy theories can not be refuted with logic!

Knute
Knute
1 year ago

Neither can insults and strawmen! You all doing this know who you are!

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Arny

, It is spelled Detrick, Ft. Detrick.

Grigori
Grigori
1 year ago

Please foregive me. I flunked jingoism 101 in high school.

Wild Bill
Wild Bill
1 year ago
Reply to  Grigori

, So an American soldier or bicyclist went from the US to Wuhan, China without infecting anyone, but then infected Chinese people when the Americans got to Wuhan? Hey, do you want in on an exploratory oil shares deal?

Grigori
Grigori
1 year ago
Reply to  Wild Bill

Sorry, I didn’t realize that it was incomprohensible that our spy orgs and other dirty tricksters might have developed a sealed container of some sort which would allow safe transport of such a virus while on ones person, in clothing, shoes, etc, for release at such a time and place as to make for a credible argument that the Chinese were behind it and not us. We are such an honorable country with such an honorable government that we would never engage in false flag ops of any kind, to include saying another nation possessed weapons of mass destruction when… Read more »