George Floyd Case: MPD Allowed Neck Restraints; Follow Due Process ~ VIDEO

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USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- More facts are surfacing in the George Floyd case. We need to step back, allow a critical examination of evidence, and allow the criminal justice system to be applied. As gun-activist regular AmmoLand News readers well know the effect emotional sensationalism can have on the aftermath of an event and the crisis that is never left to waste.

It is important to follow proper procedures, rules of evidence, allowing the defense to present its case and an adversarial examination at trial.  Despite how much we are morally revolted by the initial video evidence it is irresponsible for national media figures to proclaim guilt before a trial is conducted or the defense is heard.  Here are some reasons to withhold judgment.

Having studied self-defense doctrine, and having some familiarity with police policy, it was not surprising neck restraints are allowed by the Minneapolis Police Department.

Numerous people have claimed no police department allows neck restraints.

The Minneapolis Police Department explicitly allowed neck restraints, including the kind arguably used in the restraint of George Floyd.

MPD neck restraint policy, from the MPD website. Cropped and scaled by Dean Weingarten

Link to MPD policy [update MPD has now removed this page from their website but we have captured a screengrab above]

The policy says light pressure applied by the leg or arm, to the side of the neck, is allowed to restrain a person who is actively resisting arrest.

There is a video showing Floyd initially resisting arrest as he is taken from the car he was in. Two passengers come out of the passenger side and are not handcuffed. Here is a factual summation of the events leading up to the now-infamous video.

Floyd resists arrest. It takes two officers to remove him from the car. They handcuff him. One officer moves away, and Floyd appears to be somewhat impaired because he stumbles and slumps down next to the door.  The officers treat him with care, rather gently it appears.

Floyd violently resisted the officers when they attempted to place him in the police vehicle, after some time where he is sitting, handcuffed next to the building. Video of that period has surfaced. Some claim it shows Floyd being beaten, inside the car.  Prisoners must be restrained (in seat belts) inside of the car to be transported. Remember Fredy Gray in Baltimore, where police were criminally charged when Gray was not restrained and died in police custody. It is very difficult to place a struggling prisoner in a seat belt, especially if they are large and muscular.

There is at least one photo of three officers restraining Floyd on the ground. It appears it took three or four officers to subdue Floyd on the ground next to the police car, even though he was handcuffed. At about this time, the officers call an ambulance.

On the video showing the officer with a knee on Floyd's neck, one officer at the scene can be heard to say they attempted to place him in the vehicle for ten minutes.  Without video, it is difficult to be certain of the timing. When in a violent struggle, a person's sense of time tends to change. The phenomena is called tachypsychia.

George Floyd was a very large, 6'4″, muscular man, weighing 223 lbs,  with a violent rap sheet. The police did not move him from that location until the ambulance arrived.

Floyd appears to be resisting arrest for at the first four minutes of the video, where he is on the ground, and the officer has his leg on the back of the shoulders and the side of Floyd's neck.  What is unclear is how much resistance Floyd put up over the entire time period.

The officer may convincingly argue that he was following department policy. The police had called an ambulance. The officers knew Floyd had medical issues, suspected drug involvement, and that an ambulance was on the way.

There are two minutes and 43 seconds after that where Floyd was not resisting. Those minutes will be the strongest argument the officer did not follow policy.

It cannot be determined, from the video, how much pressure was being applied to the neck. It has been argued there was little pressure and that there was strong pressure.  The optics of the video look very bad, but they are not conclusive about how much pressure was applied.

Floyd repeatedly saying “I can't breathe” can be consistent with heart failure. We know it was not blockage of the airway.  The blockage of one of the arteries to the brain is possible. The blockage of both is less likely.  The fact Floyd could speak and move his head some amount indicates the pressure on his neck was not extreme.

Floyd saying “I can't breathe” is dramatic. It appears very bad in the video. It does not prove the officer's actions were the reason for the complaint.

All the evidence will be exhaustively examined at trial.

We do not know how many times the officer may have heard similar complaints from other suspects, attempting to manipulate him. The phrase gained a lot of “street cred” after the Eric Gardiner case resulted in a large payout.

The autopsy did not find any damage to the neck and did not find evidence of strangulation or asphyxiation. It found underlying problems with Floyd's heart and suspected drug involvement.  This does not mean the pressure on Floyd's neck was inconsequential. It leaves room for doubt as to the cause of death.

The toxicology report in the autopsy shows Fentanyl at 11 ng/mL, Norfentanyl at 5.6 ng/mL, and Methamphetamine at 19 ng/mL.  It does not show any alcohol in Floyd's blood.  Lethal doses for Fentanyl, especially as part of a drug cocktail, show a wide variation.

What is needed is a careful examination of the evidence, due process, and the rule of law.

Here is a link with a detailed examination of evidence that has not been given much publicity.

It is as important for police officers to be afforded due process as it is for other criminal suspects to be afforded due process.

All of those things are destroyed by mob rule and the electronic lynching that is happening as I write. How are the officers to obtain a fair trial, when all the commentators are saying Floyd was murdered by the officers?

I have heard only one Commentator, Bill O'Reilly, correctly refer to Floyd's death, rather than to Floyd's killing or murder. The media routinely uses the word “alleged” for criminal suspects. The word is not being used for the police officers in this case.

I am not saying the officers charged are innocent. I am not saying the officers charged are guilty.

The purpose of this article is to record the details of the case. Due process and the unemotional application of justice is much more important than catering to politically motivated mob rule.



About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

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MICHAEL J
MICHAEL J
1 month ago

Well, that’s inconvenient. The common thing all these events seem to have is they’re all poor innocent black men that just happened to be in the wrong place. Then some of the truth comes out, but so what? Using approved police methods to subdue an alleged uncooperative suspect is no longer a yes or no response. Video snippets are damning but not conclusive. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. So far, Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown and now George Floyd while not poster children for anything righteous seems to fuel angry mobs who are hungry for anything… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  MICHAEL J

Or the truth.

UncAl
UncAl
1 month ago

Floyd’s death was due to the fact he couldn’t just “sit down, strap in, and shut up!” End of discussion..

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
1 month ago
Reply to  UncAl

Prior to “sit down, strap in, and shut up!” he should not have been attempting to pass counterfeit $20 bill…..and thus zero interaction with police. If one doesn’t like how they are perceive/treated…..change your damn brand!!! Don’t pass bad paper; don’t resist arrest; don’t be seen on the evening news for negative reasons. Skin color has nothing to do with this whole mess….except the Leftards need another trigger point to fire up their Useful Idiots to deconstruct America. Police deal with shit heads like this every shift. After 10-15-20 years, they get a form of PTSD from the stress of… Read more »

Deplorable Bill
Deplorable Bill
1 month ago

What I saw on the video was a handcuffed man on the ground with a knee to the neck. That doesn’t look good. The sound track I heard had no mention whatever of race. It gives no excuse for riots. Stats show that a unarmed white man is more likely to be shot or abused by cops. I’m a disabled veteran. I take fentanyl on a daily basis for pain mgmt. Unless I am mistaken, the guy had several times the lethal dose. Most of the time people die because they pass out with their airway restricted. This guy had… Read more »

jfrich
jfrich
29 days ago

I am prepared to give my life to rid this country of these traitors and save America! In all probability the match that will ignite the Civil War has already been lit!

uncle dudley
uncle dudley
1 month ago

Whether or not these cops followed the rules of the department they will be convicted because of the cell phone video’s and every TV station running the video time after time and the internet traffic about it.
It will be hard to find a jury who will not have a preconceived judgement about the cops from all the news stories everywhere.

Watch um
Watch um
1 month ago

Floyd’s death was caused by health problems that he caused. Same as a person with serious health problems and on drugs and is tased and dies, the taser did not kill the person

Quiggy
Quiggy
1 month ago

With the amount of drugs in his system and his medical conditions. It sounds like he might have died driving down the road ten minutes later if the police had not arrived when they did. Fentanyl is deadly even in microscopic amounts.
I’d like to see the coroner’s address this possibility.

Circle8
Circle8
1 month ago

Unless you have been “on the street” you do not know what it is like to try and subdue someone WITHOUT hurting them. When you are wrestling or fighting any person you are trying not to inflict harm but they have a different attitude. They my be high on something or they may have a mental problem. Whatever the reason Police Officers are told to gain control without violence. That is impossible and I would pay money to see these people who sit on their ass, make the rules and tell cops how to gain control of someone when that… Read more »

HoundDogDave
HoundDogDave
1 month ago
Reply to  Circle8

In my early 20’s I was a psychiatric attendant on a receiving ward at a Michigan State Mental hospital. The need to restrain violent patients for their safety and the safety of the other residents was a common occurrence. I fully understand the difficulty cops have trying to restrain combative suspects while trying not to hurt them in the process. It’s a tough gig, and not for the timid. It rarely goes smoothly and it’s never pretty. And despite everyone’s best efforts, injuries (some lingering, like my dislocated knee cap) happen. Just like any random group of individuals, we had… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Circle8

– I agree. However many officers go straight to violence even when talking will suffice. It is a tough job, no point in making it tougher by creating enemies.

Last edited 1 month ago by Finnky
hippybiker
hippybiker
1 month ago

It is a sad commentary that 13% of the population most of whom are uneducated and a drain on society are getting away with destroying our Republic by rioting and looting over the death( of a violent, criminal, Junkie! I’m glad my parents are gone so they don’t have to see this Sh*t!

Gindy
Gindy
1 month ago
Reply to  hippybiker

What’s even more sad is that we’re living in a time in which Satan doesn’t even hide anymore but yet the world can’t see him! Right or wrong these officers, and officers in the future, will never be able to have a fair trial in the now common court of emotions. In fact it is becoming clearer that a fair trial for anyone may be a thing of the past! This arena of hatred is reminiscent of the Roman empire throwing outcasts and criminals into stadiums so that people could relish in the fact that humans they didn’t like were… Read more »

RoyD
RoyD
1 month ago
Reply to  Gindy

In regards to your first paragraph: “What’s even more sad is that we’re living in a time in which Satan doesn’t even hide anymore but yet the world can’t see him!”

You act as if this is something new. Do you not remember what the people did after they got tired of waiting for Moses to come down from the mountain? Wickedness abounds, it just needs an excuse to come out. Of course those people paid a price for their transgression and so will the people today. The sad thing is that the righteous will also pay.

StLPro2A
StLPro2A
1 month ago
Reply to  hippybiker

13% is the black population, however, only maybe a quarter of that….maybe 4%…..are the problem. Sadly, that small per cent establishes a severely negative brand for the remainder of that 13%. It really has nothing to do with skin color. It is what is between one’s ears and in their heart. Skin color is merely a convenient differentiation characteristic for the Left to use to divide and conquer America.

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago
Reply to  StLPro2A

Not just the left.

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago

Floyd may have initially resisted, the officers may have followed policy. Police have much discretion, but also great responsibility to exercise good judgement. We need to be cautious in second guessing the actions of others that we did not witness, but we have a right and a duty to hold police to high standards of behavior. If a suspect has ceased to resist, is on the ground, handcuffed in the presence of four officers, and appears to be in medical distress, it is incumbent upon the officers to adapt to the changing circumstances and respond appropriately. At least two of… Read more »

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

those two officers, one of them the one with the knee in use to restrain, had BOTH identified the spcific syndroome exhibited by Floyd, and were carefully following MPD protocol in addressing THAT speicif syndrome. They had actually called EMT back when they first contacted him at his car, as they recognised Floyd’s symptoms at that point. The 911 tape of the store owner who first called police on Floyd described him as “not normal, likely VERY drunk or high on drugs”, and “out of control of himself”. This added to the officers’ assessment. MPD had conducted training on the… Read more »

Finnky
Finnky
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

– This is a big country with many drug users. The scene as you described with no one there as “victim” dies of OD occurs with shock8ng regularity. No need to stage anything and risk discovery – just prepare for an inevitable “natural” opportunity.
Havana was completely different.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Finnky

Yeah, what is it,slome 65,ooo deaths from overdose/abuse of illegally taken drugs?

And they go nuts over 10,000 homicides involving firearms.
Disconnect, or what?

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago
Reply to  Tionico

deliberately overdosed and set up as a trap”?! Enough with the conspiracy theories, already! I didn’t know paranoia was so contagious. And fyi, the Maine exploded when a coal fire in the fuel bunker ignited the ammo bunker on the other side of the bulkhead; not the first case of spontaneous combustion in a coal bunker, by the way. That was bad engineering, not a nefarious Spanish or Cuban rebel plot.

If the arresting officers had already id’d Floyd’s condition, all the more reason to get the knee off his neck!!!

Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Qui bono: “deliberately overdosed and set up as a trap”
Who are you quoting here? I searched the page and none of those words appear anywhere except for “a” and “as”!

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago
Reply to  Knute

Post from Tionico: Tionico 1 day ago  Reply to  Qui Bono? those two officers, one of them the one with the knee in use to restrain, had BOTH identified the spcific syndroome exhibited by Floyd, and were carefully following MPD protocol in addressing THAT speicif syndrome. They had actually called EMT back when they first contacted him at his car, as they recognised Floyd’s symptoms at that point. The 911 tape of the store owner who first called police on Floyd described him as “not normal, likely VERY drunk or high on drugs”, and “out of control of himself”. This added… Read more »

Knute
Knute
1 month ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Qui Bono: Ahhhh… So it was a hypothetical! a “what if” sort of question, and not a statement. That makes it much more clear. That’s the danger of posting quotes without attribution. Much too easy to get out-of-context.
I’d watch that in the future, if I were you. And thx for clearing that up.

Sisu
Sisu
1 month ago

A good summary of additional facts that need to be considered in the search for answers and truth if it is to be had. There are many unknowns associated with this police use of force. Not the least is the behavior of the officers; the partial videos contain questionable actions and inactions, past complaints against the officers troubling given the lack of management action, and the community “silence” as to what they observed – objectively without prejudice. Floyd had clearly made a lot of mistakes in life, and had repeatedly demonstrated he thought violence an acceptable means to his goals;… Read more »

Swany
Swany
1 month ago

Floyd isn’t dead. It’s just more bullshit being shoveled down our throats.

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago
Reply to  Swany

…because you were there and saw it all…and the Earth is flat…and the moon is made of cheese.

Tionico
Tionico
1 month ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

GREEN CHEESE. Mentioned in the twin interests of completeness and accuracy.

Swany
Swany
1 month ago
Reply to  Qui Bono?

Do some searching. Open your mind. They weren’t real cops. The whole thing is eye candy to get people worked up.
If he is supposed to be so revered, why a closed casket at the funeral? They didn’t blow his face off with a bazooka. Why are there pictures of him at his own funeral all over the internet?
Wake up.
I’m not wearing a tinfoil hat but I’m not an idiot. Life is too short to be stupid. I’m not.

GUNFUN
GUNFUN
1 month ago

It doesn’t matter what laws they pass against police brutality. It will always be a problem. When you give power to people, some will misuse it. Those police murdered George Floyd. They did not follow the law. However, if we give the power to different individuals, we will still have the same problems. People are people, and no law will change that.

Watch um
Watch um
1 month ago
Reply to  GUNFUN

Sorry but you don’t know your a-hole and a hole in the ground. Your comments are the reason why you should not be on a jury

USA
USA
1 month ago

If what the government says was the truth they would be guilty of nothing.

We know you guys like your thin blue line but you have still failed to show us those 50 pools of blood in Vegas and any conscious person knows shot people leave pools of blood not found on the pavement at the concert after everybody fled the scene leaving not a single body behind but nice try.

Really nice try Dean but I’m not on the Kool-Aid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tCfuw0Q3Lg

Last edited 1 month ago by USA
Swany
Swany
1 month ago
Reply to  USA

I took the red pill a while back.
This country is full of a lot of
“ show business “

Qui Bono?
Qui Bono?
1 month ago
Reply to  USA

Shockingly delusional. No Holocaust; no moon landing; no Sandy Hook; no pandemic. Where are the 130,000 bodies?!? Show me the bodies!! You guys are scary nuts.