ATF Agents Showing Up At Homes of Unfinished 80% Gun Frame Dealers, Don’t Let Them In

ATF Agents Showing Up At Homes of Unfinished 80% Gun Frame Dealers

BALTIMORE, MD-( Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) Agents from the Baltimore Field Office have been visiting the homes of buyers of large quantities of Polymer80 frames and kits.

Five special agents and Detective EE Schwartz of the Anne Arundel County Police Department showed up at the door of one of the co-owners of 2A Builds. 2A Builds is a company that sells unfinished 80% kits at gun shows in the mid-Atlantic region of the country. They recently purchased 65 frames from U.S. Patriot Armory.

The agents wanted to search the owner’s house, and the owner agreed because he had nothing illegal. The agents didn’t find anything against the law in the home but did want to take the owner’s legally owned firearms. The owner refused then the agents said they were just going to take a finished P80, a single kit, and two MCK stabilizers. The company’s owner once again refused the request and asked the law enforcement officials to leave his home.

The ATF agents said they would wait there until they could secure a search warrant if the owner refused to turn over the items. The owner started to call an attorney, at which point the officials said they decided not to seek a warrant that day but would in the future and then left. The only contact they left him was Detective EE Schwartz’s business card (badge: 1665) of the Anne Arundel County Police Department. Before they left, the agents took pictures of all the firearms and serial numbers to run checks.

AmmoLand News has learned of two other visits by ATF agents to dealers’ homes that sell unfinished frames. Although in their case, they told the ATF agents to leave if they did not have a search warrant. The agents threatened to wait there until a judge issued a search warrant but once again left without executing a search of the properties. Both dealers purchased items from U.S. Patriot Armory.

AmmoLand discovered that U.S. Patriot Armory did not turn over any customer information to the ATF or other law enforcement agencies through our sources. It isn’t clear how the ATF received information about the customers, although everyone visited paid for the unfinished frames via credit card, and U.S. Patriot Armory uses is one of the only payment processing companies that will process firearm sales. Almost every other payment processor blocks the sale of firearms and unfinished frames. Although we have no evidence that says turned over customer information in this case, the company did turn over data of customers that purchased kits from other companies in the past.

AmmoLand News reached out to the ATF for comment on the ongoing visit. Public Information Officer Amanda Hill said the ATF cannot confirm or deny the existence of an investigation and will not be providing any further comment.

Anti-gun politicians have made a significant push to ban unfinished frames and receivers at the behest of anti-gun groups such Giffords, Everytown, and Brady. The groups call these items the fake and misleading “Ghost Guns.” Pennsylvania Attorney General Josh Shapiro has made it his crusade for these non-guns to be banned. New Jersey has been suing sellers of unfinished frames, and California has sued the ATF for not considering these frames to be firearms.

Detective EE Schwartz did not return AmmoLand News’s call for comment.

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This is one of the most important articles of the year.

  • Law enforcement officers threatening a citizen because they legally bought something.
  • Personal and legal transaction information being turned over to gov agencies.

Unacceptable on all counts.


I worked dea in the late 70s early 80s government was out of control then ,government agents routinely break the law that they enforce. police were protect and serve now draconian LAW ENFORCEMENT they take an oath to uphold Constitution; and dont even give it lip service whatever happened to all the oath keepers???


“… whatever happened to all the oath keepers???”
I can tell you, they were recently deemed a “DOMESTIC TERRORIST GROUP”. That is what happened to them!


In a true 2A-sanctuary state, the detective would have been along to inform victim of their rights and observe to insure ATF does not violate any. You only have the rights you insist on, and knowing your legal rights is a big step in the correct direction. So having a detective telling you “you have a legal right to say no” would be incredibly frustrating for ATF agents. Should be understood that in the case of citizen’s self defense, local LEO is only there as an observer. They are available to testify as to the reasonableness of self defense actions.… Read more »


“Knock Knock Knock!”
“Who is it?”
“Do you have a properly issued warrant?”
“Pi55 off and good by!”

What the heck is wrong with people? NEVER consent to a search. EVER!!! I do not care if you think that you have done nothing illegal! These people are looking to HANG you. Why in the hell would you ever help then in the slightest way???

Wake up America! He who does not assert his rights HAS NONE!


This is a typical bullying tactic LEOs have used for years. If they can bully you into letting them to take advantage of you when they have no legal right, they will. I say make them work for everything. You can’t trust them period!


There are some COPS who when a subject is extremely cooperative will take advantage of the situation and will act with a “heavy badge” and will
treat the person harshly. I was always aware of a subjects Constitutional rights, because if you don’t, it will always come back to haunt you. The majority of Cops follow the Constitution, there are just a few bad apples, that have no business being in positions of authority.


“The majority of Cops follow the Constitution, there are just a few bad apples”

That is an incorrect statement.


OH I very much DO trust them, all right…. I trust them to be devious, self-centred, deceptive, opportunistic, even outright false and lying, all in their all too often very slick attempts to set me at ease, and “get the goods” on me” even if they have to “get creative” to do so. OH yes, I DO trust them……..


This is really bad,
I don’t care what Joe says,
It’s a blatant violation of the 4th amendment and all the LEOs and their agencies are liable.
I hope this person is suing their azzes off.


If the atf shows up to my house I will kindly tell them to leave and if they don’t I will defend my house.. I hope that others will do the same. That’s what it’s going to take to keep our given right to own guns and if we don’t stand up soon, it’ll be lost.


Only to DEFEND Ones’ self from the TYRANTS!!!!


When one combines incidents such as this one, with the fact that the current regime in power, is the most Anti 2nd Amendment administration in our history. It behooves us as individuals to “draw our line in the sand.” I’m 60, and in rapidly declining health due to a degenerative condition that the signs and symptoms can only be masked by medication. My final days will be painful, protracted and miserable in extremis. In light of that, a bullet offers a cleaner and quicker death. I’ve no intention of taking my own life, but in lieu of my situation, I’ve… Read more »


According to a Supreme Court decision a Police Officer can arrest you for anything he wants to even if you are not breaking the law….the decision by the Supreme Court rules that a Police Officer does not need to know the law…he can arrest you and you must provide for your defense…It is then up to the courts to decide if you have broken the law or if innocent against the officers charges…Meanwhile you must hire an attorney at a staggering cost to which many people do have available finances to cover the cost of an attorney…not to mention you… Read more »


Entirely CORRECT!!!!


IF you know who you are (assuming that you have corrected your status and posted it into the public record), and IF you know your rights and properly assert them, ANY police officer, or at least his supervisor, whom you ALWAYS summons if you are dealing with an ignorant officer, will either back down and leave you alone, or they will kningly be committing acts against you that you will have clear redress to hold them personally and fully accountable. They do not want that, ever! And IF you know who you are and your rights, you will hold them… Read more »


TRUE! Then again, the AFTER EFFECT results in matters such as: Romeo Vs Albuquerque D-202-CV-9405562 which cost (5) LEOS and (2) County Jailers their jobs in law enforcement. Had they followed the law and gave a damn about the public they were entrusted to serve and protect, they would still have their jobs, but they all chose their paths.

WI Patriot

Got a warrant, no, then GFY…


At least hand them a condom before or while you say that. You will never believe the looks you get… Then if the officer or agent gets upset, remind them that you are concerned for their safety… Then as you leave, THEN they “get it”…


Letting the government into your home (without a proper warrant) is cheering the headsman, as you gaily promenade to the block.


They can pound sand up their ass.

Courageous Lion - Hear Me Roar - Jus Meum Tuebor

I’ve been saying for YEARS they aren’t registering firearms per se, they are registering firearms owners. This is also why they want to do away with cash. Because then these sneaky POS can see everything you buy. A good article by John Whitehead about this crap is at Lew Rockwell. Here is a link:


This has been taking place across the U.S. since the 70’s.

Used to work pretty well, but the new LED lamps use so little current that game is no longer very useful. What one CAN do is suddenly start drying a lot of clothes with an electric dryer, let them come round and cneck, see nothing, then commence yuor grow op. Also great to be foind growing lots of tomatis, zucchinis, letuces,indoors in yuor new aquaponics garden. After comging round a few time to find nothing but grocery store produce growing, they may well give up thinking they ave a false lead.

Courageous Lion - Hear Me Roar - Jus Meum Tuebor

For you:


As we all know, ATF should be a convenience store rather than a government agency.

Jeff Knox

This article reminds me of the case of Albert Kwan, which I wrote about back in 2009. Albert had purchased an aftermarket barrel for a Makarov pistol, then some 10 years later, had federal agents at his door asking to look at his guns. Albert obeyed his attorney’s instructions and said “No.” The feds went on to destroy his life and career.
I’m working now to try and help Albert, as he’s virtually destitute and dealing with serious health issues. Stand by for more on this tragic case.


When the author says that the payment processor “turned over” records, I expect what happened was that they responded to federal subpoenas requesting business records. Unfortunately, mere suspicion that business records “may” have information that “may” lead to evidence of a crime is all that is needed to support a subpoena. Federal Judges virtually never quash a subpoena issued by a federal agency. It sucks, but it’s the reality.


First, you need to have a crime. If there is no crime, there should not be a subpoena. To use financial records to see if there is a crime should be ruled as unlawful. If the original subpoena is fought and turned out to be unlawful from the outset then the “fruits of the poisonous tree” takes place and all evidence found after that point is thrown out.

Courageous Lion - Hear Me Roar - Jus Meum Tuebor

The turds knew right off that there was no crime. You can LEGALLY buy THOUSANDS of these at this time since there is no “law” that says you can’t. This is just scare tactics. Big surprise. Next they will be using SWAT to execute raids just because they can. SWAT is for one thing…to keep the sheep in line.


whatever hapened to the requirement for a warrant being isasued UPON PROBABLE CAUSE and REPRESENTATION by knowledgeable persons, upon their oth ahd affirmenton, and under penalty of perjury per US law?

Or has that become old fashioned stuff we jusst don’t talk about anmore?


I have a lot of friends who are cops. I have a lot of friends who are in federal law enforcement. I count as close personal friends a few senior members of our Intelligence Community. Friends are friends. But when they come to my door in an official capacity that all ends. My standard response to all law enforcement on all issues is simple: get a warrant. Never, ever, ever consent to a search. Never. Ever. You have nothing to prove. It is up to the government to prove its case. Period.


Remember Poltergeist II, “DO NOT LET HIM IN”
Tell them you are calling your lawyer right now and will be happy to talk to them with your lawyer present at their office.

Last edited 3 years ago by james

Not a good idea to curse or abuse any officer of the law. If they ask to come in, the answer is always no thank you Sir. unless you call them first.. You may actually need an officers help some day. I support the police. They have a job to do just as you and I do but you needn’t let anyone overstep their bounds or authority. Never threaten or curse any officer of the law. I promise you it will not look good when you are sitting in front of the judge.


It is not my place to put an Officer in their place. That is their supervisors job. I have made that happen before and will do so again if necessary. Generally talking to them in a considerate, coherent fashion gets the job done.


you get what you give. if they are respectful and do not attempt to abuse their authority and violate my rights, i will be civil. but the second they become tyrannical, the conversation is over and they will be told to leave and then some. i respect people in authority that uphold our rights and laws, the rest NO!


Good post.


He who does not assert his rights has NONE!

Americans do not know who they are or what they have done to us.

We are ignorant and weak, most of us.


Just got around to reading this article, depressing but not surprising. Gotta agree with the sentiments of a lot of you who have had enough and are ready to fight back. Like one, I’m a vet, have reached a ripe old age, had a long and good life and am ready to take a bullet, if it would mean something. Unfortunately, we all know how it would turn out if you made any move to return control to the people. Just look at Jan. 6. Those folks weren’t even armed, yet were portrayed as :right wing extremists” and will now… Read more »


If you are involved in anything but a routine traffic stop, like speeding or expired plates refuse any search and do not say anything without a lawyer. If they come to your house same thing, no talking lawyer. If your are in involved in any form of self defense don’t talk and get a lawyer. When police are involved in a shooting they are trained the told not to talk and get a lawyer. You never know the police or detectives true intent. No on in history had been about to talk their way out of going to jail if… Read more »


So how does anyone determine the ‘true intent’ of another person? And the word is planned, not ‘planed’. By the way, don’t expect to be taken seriously if you can’t correctly spell common words. You are either lazy, ignorant or both.

Gene Ralno

Hey supperman, you must have missed the fact that this forum doesn’t offer an “edit” function and simple typographical errors are not correctible. Btkj21 offers good advice, particularly where privately owned arms are involved. Perhaps you’d earn a better reputation and a modicum of respect if you offered adult counterpoints in lieu of immature criticism.


Except you are incorrect about editing your post. You can but I don’t know how many minutes you have to do it after posting. I have done it numerous times myself.


Gene… AFTER you post, there is a small GEAR that shows up to the lower right of your post. THAT is your gateway to edit.


“Let he without sin cast the first stone.”


Meh.. I’ve seen plenty from your own fingers that, by your own standards, would have yuo triced up and hung from the yardarm in a good blow.




The fourth federal law, 18 U.S.C. 1918 provides penalties for violation of oath office described in 5 U.S.C. 7311 which include: (1) removal from office and; (2) confinement or a fine. The definition of “advocate” is further specified in Executive Order 10450 which for the purposes of enforcement supplements 5 U.S.C. Violation of Oath of Office and Walker v Members of › Articles › Violation of Oath of Office and Wa… Is violating an oath of office a crime? Under the laws of a state, it may be considered treason or a high crime to betray a sworn oath of office. The word “oath”… Read more »


Oath interpreted by whom?

Did the military veterans and active military personnel violate their oaths during the Waco atrocity?



Roland T. Gunner

I’m no hero, hell, maybe even a coward; but enough. Time to start shooting them in the head.


More lies and twisted disinformation from the criminal BATAFE. If he would have complied to their lies, he would never see his guns again !

Deplorable Bill

“The RIGHT of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. A child can clearly understand and express it’s meaning. America became a nation due in large part to governmental overreach, tyranny and gun control and that is fact no matter how some overpaid, over zealous lawyer might say about it. Any law that runs contrary to the constitution is null and void; Madison vs Maybury, that was an early supreme court decision. Thus, the A.T.F.E. should be disbanded or trimmed down to A.T. I could and have said more but I will close with this: I… Read more »


So, three raids/visits by the ATF, all three of whom purchased their 80% kits from the same dealer, but we’re to believe the dealer is not suspect in any of this?


WHY should anyone be suspect of anything if it is all totally legal?

Roland T. Gunner

It’s time to start using the recent restriction of Chevron Deference to fight this crap in the courts.