Media Misrepresentation: Guardian says Black Gun Ownership up 58.2%

Arizonan with rifle slung at local street vendor. Photo courtesy Dean Weingarten

U.S.A.-(AmmoLand.com)- Gun ownership is up in the United States. Record numbers of new gun owners, about eight million, purchased a gun in 2020. In a sensationalist article by the far-left British paper The Guardian, the sub-headline reads:

Americans bought a record number of firearms last year. Gun ownership among Black Americans is up 58.2%

While it may be wished to be true, the headline is both sensationalist and misleading. Here is the paragraph in the article which purports to support the headline. From the guardian.com:

Americans bought a record number of firearms last year. An estimated 5 million people bought their first ever gun between March and August, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), a trade organization, and that number continued to climb throughout the year. Black Americans saw the highest increase in new gun owners of any demographic, the NSSF found, with gun ownership in the group up by a staggering 58.2%.

The first, obvious mischaracterization, is the sleight of hand which changes the increase in gun purchasers into an equivalent percentage increase in gun owners.

The 58.2% increase is based on reporting by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF).  The report shows the number of black gun purchasers increased by 58.2% in the first half of 2020.

There is little reason to doubt the mix of customers changed much in the second half.  An increase in black customers does not translate into the same increase in black gun owners, white gun owners, Hispanic gun owners, Asian gun owners, or any group of gun owners. To put the increase in black customers in context, the NSSF reported the increases in customers of four groups:

  • Black – 58.2%
  • White – 51.9%
  • Hispanic – 49.4%
  • Asian – 42.9%

Only the four groups were listed.

The number of total gun owners in the United States is notoriously difficult to determine, as is the distribution into various groups.

Before 2020, there appeared to be about 100 million gun owners in the United States.  The number is uncertain because it is based on surveys.

The NSSF reported the percentage of total customers as this:

  • Black – 14.7%
  • White – 72.4%
  • Hispanic – 9.1%
  • Asian – 3.8%

While gun purchases in 2020 appear to have increased the number of gun owners by about 8%, it is a far cry from 58% as reported in the Guardian headline. We would have to know how gun ownership is distributed across the United States before 2020 to understand how much of a percentage increase occurred in each group.

According to a Pew survey done in 2017, about 30% of all adults personally owned a gun. Asians were not broken out. The distribution was this:

  • Black – 24%
  • White 36%
  • Hispanics 15%

Very likely, these numbers represent a minimum. It is easy to understand why people would be reluctant to admit gun ownership to a stranger on the phone.

The numbers are uncertain because Hispanics are an ethnic group that may be any race.

As the Guardian article focused on black people, consider those numbers. Black people are about 13.4% of the U.S. population.  Adult black people are about 31.5 million people in the US.

If 24% were gun owners, that would be about 7.56 million self-reported black gun owners before the increase in 2020.

The total increase in 2020 was about 8 million new gun owners. According to the NSSF, 14.7% of them were black.  That calculates to 1.176 new black gun owners. 1.176 million is about a 15.6% increase in gun ownership by black people. It is a significant increase, but not the sensational 58% mischaracterized in the headline.

Contrary to the Guardian’s selected quotes, gun owners and the NRA welcome all colors into the ranks of the gun culture.

Black people, prevented from legal gun ownership by racist gun laws in the past, have some catching up to do.

Professor John Lott has said minorities in crime-ridden urban centers derive the most benefit from increased legal gun ownership. From Dr. John Lott:

 My research has demonstrated that the two groups that benefit the most from carrying guns are the likeliest victims of crime (poor blacks in high-crime urban areas) and people who are physically weaker (women and the elderly). Dozens of published peer-reviewed studies find similar results.

It makes sense those who are at the highest risk of crimes of violence would benefit the most from being armed.


About Dean Weingarten:

Dean Weingarten has been a peace officer, a military officer, was on the University of Wisconsin Pistol Team for four years, and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1973. He taught the Arizona concealed carry course for fifteen years until the goal of Constitutional Carry was attained. He has degrees in meteorology and mining engineering, and retired from the Department of Defense after a 30 year career in Army Research, Development, Testing, and Evaluation.

Dean Weingarten

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Tman72
Tman72
3 days ago

No magazine??? Dumb

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 days ago
Reply to  Tman72

Just a show piece, obviously not a “carry” gun. However, to the antis, it will still have the same effect, which is the point. To me, seeing a female and a person of color showing solidarity with the rest of us that believe in our inalienable rights is a step in the right direction.

SkippingDog
SkippingDog
3 days ago

When a couple hundred Black men armed with main battle rifles converge on various state legislatures the same way the Oath Keepers, III%, and similar groups stormed into the Michigan and Oregon capitol buildings last year, Republicans will be tripping over themselves to pass gun control laws.

Tman72
Tman72
3 days ago
Reply to  SkippingDog

They already converged and shot each other

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 days ago
Reply to  SkippingDog

We are not concerned about law-abiding citizens owning firearms. The fact that you mentioned race, makes you racist.

BigMikeU
BigMikeU
4 days ago

Well i see it this way.Most if not ALL gun sales have a NIC’S check in my state and im sure its the same in all others. I would concern my self with the total; of gun owners and then those that would refuse to turn those guns in if ordered too by this illegitimate Government and illegitimate President! I think 90% of all of the Fed wants to go Socialist but they dont want to touch the 2A situation and are trying to force good old mentally deficient joe….. The left has already been actively at war with decent… Read more »

Arny
Arny
3 days ago
Reply to  BigMikeU

I am in about the same boat as you. Looking to sell home to get out of Pa. Love the mountains but the taxes & infestation of liberals is more than I’m willing to deal with. I wish you the best.

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 days ago
Reply to  Arny

I’m in the same boat getting ready to escape Oregone. I don’t need to tell you what it is like here, you see it on the news every night. It’s only in portland but there disease dictates what happens to the rest of oregone because of their majority vote.

Whodaty
Whodaty
4 days ago

That IS a beautiful sight, looks just right. Just like the photos from Israel with gals toting guns. No more out of place than a scene from a Hollywood western. Hope there was situational awareness.

PMinFl
PMinFl
4 days ago

Gotta call this one, percent of purchases by black Americans up 58.2% not percentage of total gun ownership. I welcome ALL new gun owners as long as their motivation is legal and they stay safe.

Finnky
Finnky
4 days ago
Reply to  PMinFl

Given rate of change of the laws, I do not require “law abiding” or “legal” for anything. Better to say their motivation is not to harm others and that they practice safety and get sufficient training to be competent.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 days ago
Reply to  Finnky

Yes, “gun control” has removed the rights of many minorities from their inalienable RKBA. The Democrats pushed through the 1938 FFA that banned felons from their RKBA. Jefferson stated that our inalienable rights are not granted by our government, so government has no power to deny said rights. Our inalienable/Natural Rights pre-exist government and the law of Man. The government cannot revoke what it cannot grant.

Knute
Knute
4 days ago
Reply to  PMinFl

That is noted in the article:
“The first, obvious mischaracterization, is the sleight of hand which changes the increase in gun purchasers into an equivalent percentage increase in gun owners.”
Even in bold face type:
“The report shows the number of black gun purchasers increased by 58.2% in the first half of 2020.”

musicman44mag
musicman44mag
3 days ago
Reply to  PMinFl

If they pass a background check it doesn’t matter what color they are, they should be welcomed.

Dee
Dee
4 days ago

“Black people, prevented from legal gun ownership by racist gun laws in the past, have some catching up to do.” Wow, who would of thunk that Dean see colored clouds as well but he’s right @JSNMGC. But when it comes from the mouth of a intelligent black man it somehow becomes “cloudy”. I get get it. Y’all righty’s luv sticking together when race is applied. But the facts remain that racist groups, NRA, government, etc, have trump on the rights of black Gun ownership. So if you want your gun rights in this country in the future, everyone must get… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Please restate your current grievance.

Dee
Dee
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I said I agree with Dean on this.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Still a llitte confused – didn’t you say the NRA was racist? Dean wrote: “Contrary to the Guardian’s selected quotes, gun owners and the NRA welcome all colors into the ranks of the gun culture.” I was wondering why you mentioned me. I think almost all people who have read the history of gun control laws know that many of the early ones were motivated by racism. It’s one of the dangers of having a lot of laws – the people in power can enforce them against the people they don’t like and not enforce them against the people they… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

“Black people, prevented from legal gun ownership by racist gun laws in the past, have some catching up to do.” So in your addled mind, reporting the truth is racist? Is it not a good thing that more minorities and women are becoming firearm owners? You seem to like to stir the race pot, but you don’t drink from the fountain of knowledge. Where is this intelligent black man you speak of? You mean Colion Noir? It certainly is not you. “So if you want your gun rights in this country in the future, everyone must get on board with… Read more »

Dee
Dee
4 days ago

Dean said they are racist. I’m just agreeing with him.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Please provide a link to that claim.

PMinFl
PMinFl
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

RACE RACE RACE, Dee get a life.

Knute
Knute
4 days ago
Reply to  PMinFl

He has a life… as a racist! The sad part is, he’s completely happy with that. He thinks he has “good bead on things” -Tommy Lee Jones as Agent “K”
🙂

Doug G.
Doug G.
4 days ago
Reply to  Dee

I’m taking Dee’s side on this, with the exception of the NRA being racist, because from our founding to the 1860’s blacks were prevented from gun ownership, whether slaves or non-slaves, so much so that I’ll say that every infringement of the 2ndA began as a racist policy/law to limit access and ownership of guns to whites only. Of course, this racist practice continued with the newly freed slaves and all thru the Jim Crow era until after the Civil Rights Movement and law changes in 1964 and for a while afterwards. Even today, as Dr. Lott points out, inner… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
4 days ago
Reply to  Doug G.

Our government is not racist, neither was it when it was created. The Southern Plantation owners wanted to keep slavery. In order to form a union of all states, the only way to protect themselves from the Brits, and everyone else, was to be united. The Founders decided to allow the Southern Plantation owners to keep their slaves. Like “gun control” today, the abolitionists decided to take what they could and revisit the issue later – which they did. The Democratic party split from the Democratic Republican party over their wanting to continue slavery. They then seceded from the USA.… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago

Whew! There’s a lot in there, but for starters, some of the founding fathers owned people. Avoiding the truth isn’t helpful.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Man, there are some people who really hate the truth.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21

“Your opinion on issues will never equate to fact or truth. A YouTube video doesn’t mean shit either. Truth and facts is something that has to be proven! We’ve been down this road many times when will you get it?”

Response to Will:
“We” – you got a mouse in your pocket?

Do you dispute that some of the founding fathers owned people?

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21   “Specifically what founding fathers owned slaves? You just make a blanket statement that founding fathers owned people? Names and proof of that! Plus,in 2021 what damn difference would it make?” Response to Will: Where did you go to school? https://slaveryadvocate.com/list-of-founding-fathers-who-owned-slaves/ I brought it up because of the comments made by Heed the Call-Up. Also, what video were you referring to – the one where the LEOs came on and testified that they were against the same legislation that Moms Demand Action and Everytown for Gunsafety were against? It was their own public testimony – did you… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 
“We have been down this road on many other issues,it’s just founding fathers owning people today! It was local rural cops will back federal law enforcement on gun confiscation last week! What will it be next week?”

Response to Will:

You are wrong on both issues (but you are passionate about your misinformation).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 

“I’m absolutely right on both issues. You are developing a very convenient recollection of your own comments.”

Response to Will

You believe that none of the founding fathers owned slaves? Did you look at the link I gave you? How many more sources would you like?

Regarding the LEOs public testimony – did you watch it? It isn’t my opinion – listen to them.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 
“One last time! Your links and YouTube don’t have shit to do with the truth or it’s validity. That’s a very easy concept to understand but you still struggle with it! Gotta go now!”

Response to Will:

I have never in my life seen anyone so passionately and willfully ignorant.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21 “I bet you believe and anything CNN says through a link or YouTube too. When PELOSI speaks is that the truth she spews because she says it? Do you understand what rules of evidence even means? Hell no you don’t!” Response to Will: I’m rolling on the ground. Who do you trust? Go to your public library. Call Lauren Boebert. Email Sean Hannity. They will all tell you some of the founding fathers owned slaves. It’s not a secret. The head of the Wyoming Highway Patrol, the leader of the Wyoming sheriff’s association, and the leader of… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21 “Still can’t name what founding father owned people? I’m on pins and needles waiting to find out! Like I said before what fucking difference would it make even if true! Who cares?” Response to Will: I gave you the link as soon as you questioned the fact – do you not know how to click on a link? Here you go: List of the Founding Fathers who Owned Slaves 49 of the 64 Founding Fathers Owned Slaves George Washington (1732 – 1799) James Madison (1751 – 1836) Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826) Benjamin Franklin (1706 – 1790)… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I gave you the link – just click it. There are so many the system won’t let me post them all. Here is part 1: List of the Founding Fathers who Owned Slaves 49 of the 64 Founding Fathers Owned Slaves George Washington (1732 – 1799) James Madison (1751 – 1836) Thomas Jefferson (1743 – 1826) Benjamin Franklin (1706 – 1790) Patrick Henry (1736 – 1799) James Monroe (1758 – 1831) John Jay (1745 – 1829) Alexander Hamilton (1755 – 1804) John Marshall (1755 – 1835) Samuel Chase (1741 – 1811) John Hancock (1737 – 1793) Benjamin Harrison (1726 –… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Part 2 Button Gwinnett (1735 – 1777) Lyman Hall (1724 – 1790) Robert Morris (1734 – 1806) Benjamin Rush (1746 – 1813) George Taylor (1716 – 1781) Caesar Rodney (1728 – 1784) George Read (1733 – 1798) Philip Livingston (1716 – 1778) Francis Lewis (1713 – 1802) Lewis Morris (1726 – 1798) Richard Stockton (1730 – 1781) John Witherspoon (1723 – 1794) Francis Hopkinson (1737 – 1791) John Hart (1713 – 1779) Abraham Clark (1726 – 1794) Josiah Bartlett (1729 – 1795) William Hooper (1742 – 1790) William Whipple (1730 – 1785) Stephen Hopkins (1707 – 1785) Oliver Wolcott (1726… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21 “The names listed ain’t really household names are they? No signers of the DOI! What should be done to these people “today in 2021” even if they did “own people” 250 years ago? You really don’t have an interesting life at all do you?” Response to Will: Why didn’t you look at the link I gave you at the start of your tirade? I had to chop it up – the list was too long. The system wouldn’t even take part one. Here is part one (A): George Washington (1732 – 1799) James Madison (1751 – 1836)… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

The system is blocking me out.

Have you heard of:
George Washington
James Madison
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
Patrick Henry
John Hancock

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 
“Of course I’ve heard of those great men! And?”

Response to Will:

They all owned slaves.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21:
 
“Oh my God what will we do about that? How could they had done something like that 250 years ago? Even though it was the absolute norm to own slaves back then! Why don’t you at least fast forward about 100 years to the 1860’s on the “people owning” business! I’m sure you think the “War between the States” was all about slavery too!”

Response to Will:

First you said they didn’t own slaves.
Now, do you agree that they did?

I told you earlier, my comment was in response to what Heed the Call-Up wrote.

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21:

“I’m not saying the did or didn’t! I’m saying who gives a flying fuck on way or they other!”

Response to Will:

Still in denial. I’ve never seen anything like it – you have a computer connected to a vast amount of information and you are content “knowing” things that just aren’t true.

Go read the entire thread – it’s one of the funniest things I’ve ever encountered.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 
“You’re not trying to say they were “people owners” too are you? Another link I guess huh?”

Response to Will:

Yes

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/21
 
“Are these people listed “founders” because you say they are or because of one of your notorious links?”

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Did you click on the link? I gave it to you as soon you refuted the fact.

The system won’t let me post the list – it’s too long.

Dave will probably take it off hold tomorrow.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/9/1`
 
You really like to go directions that don’t mean shit to anyone but you! You are one really strange pilgrim!”

Response to Will:

Just wanted to capture that for posterity.

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Where did I avoid the truth? I stated specifically that Southern Plantation owners wanted to own slaves – the truth. Destroying an economic system, they understood, as you do not, would have affected more than just those plantation owners. It would have also devastated the slaves, as it did when slavery was ended. Do you not recall reading the history of the post-Civil War South? You appear to be a moron when you post such non-sense, devoid of facts and reality.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago

When you wrote: “Our government is not racist, neither was it when it was created.” I would say owning people is racist and creating a government that allowed people to legally own other people is a racist form of government. Therefore, our government was racist at the time it was created. You called me a moron for posting nonsense that is devoid of facts and reality. What did I post that you believe is devoid of facts and reality? I just went through that with Will. He insisted he was right about something that was untrue and then ran back… Read more »

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Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
4 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Your opinion is valueless when you cannot even comprehend what I wrote. I did not call you a moron, I stated “You appear to be a moron when you post non-sense, devoid of facts and reason.” Your posts including this last surely make my statement true. If you believe your non-sense, you have to believe that the Democratic Party, founded to preserve slavery, is racist. However, sentient people understand that things can and do change. Furthermore, as I pointed out, our nation was not founded in slavery. When you are ready to face reality, we can have a rational, logical,… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
4 days ago

Heed the Call-up, please answer these questions:

Did any of the founding fathers own slaves?

When the nation was founded, was it legal to own slaves?

What nonsense did I post that was “devoid of facts and reality?”

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Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

I never stated they did not. Yes, slaves were akin to chattel. I told you what you posted was non-sense. What you avoided answering was that if you believe that our government is racist because they did not abolish slavery when the Union was founded, and I explained one important reason why not, that would then make the Democratic Party racist as that is why they formed – to perpetuate slavery. So, then, is the Democratic Party racist in your view, knowing their history and their current policies that keep blacks oppressed? A rational person would see that as true.… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 days ago

You wrote: “Our government is not racist, neither was it when it was created.” I would say owning people is racist and creating a government that allowed people to legally own other people is a racist form of government. Therefore, our government was racist at the time it was created. That was my point – that the governmet was racist at the time it was created. I made no other point. You then went on about a lot of things that had nothing to do with my disagreement with what you wrote. I didn’t avoid answering anything regarding subsequent events.… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
3 days ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

So, you still avoided my question. My question is relevant to the discussion and your refusal to answer it proves to me that you are a dishonest person pushing a dishonest view. I see no allusion to slavery in the Declaration of Independence wherein it states “All men are created equal”. Neither do I find belief in slavery in Our Constitution wherein it states “We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
2 days ago

Avoid your question? I stated the government is no longer racist against Blacks. Regarding the Democrat Party, yes, of course, they attempted to prolong slavery. Again, my comment was addressing your contention that the government was not racist at the time it was created.  I don’t agree with your opinion. At least you acknowledge that some of the founding fathers owned slaves – a fact, not an opinion (Will frequently confuses the two). Your opinion that the government was not racist at the time of creation is different from mine. I believe the government was racist at the time of creation. Slavery was a hotly… Read more »

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Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

In reference to the 3/5s of a person in relation to the number of Representatives, it does not even use the word slave(s), nor even mention slavery. It does state Indians not taxed are not part of the count. So apparently they did not count, but let’s make this all about slavery. Slavery was legal world-wide at the time. I don’t believe any of those countries, and even the ones where slavery still exists, could a rational person state that these countries were founded on slavery. You are welcome, to believe whatever you choose to believe. Representatives and direct Taxes… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago

The three fifths compromise was about slavery – it was designed to consider three fifths of the slaves in determing representation. I’d post links to cite information for you, but I’m concerned it would trigger Will so badly that he would have a stroke. He really hates links to sources of information that are inconsistent with beliefs he has formed based on emotions and feelings. You should have spent a couple minutes doing a little research yourself before you responded. This is not a controversial point and it is not an opinion. Also, you have introduced a new concept to… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Yes, your premise that our government was/is racist is wrong, and proven wrong. Slaves were neither white nor black. There were “white” slaves, and black slave owners. Therefore, slavery was not and is not a racist issue, and therefore, again, proving that the USA was not racist. I cited the “3/5s” compromise, and you admitted it was a compromise. The compromise is only in reference to the apportionment of representatives in the House of Representatives. You also failed to see the irony in your crying about the “three fifths of all other Persons” when Indians that were not taxed were… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago

Admit? It’s a statement of fact – that is generally the description given to that agreement. You didn’t go do a quick search on the three fifths compromise, did you? As to why they didn’t specifically use the word “slaves,” I don’t know – they already excluded: Free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years; and Indians not taxed.” What does that leave? If you are interested in learning about the three fifths compromise (including the debates that were held at the time), you should consider doing a quick search – it was about slaves. The… Read more »

Heed the Call-up
Heed the Call-up
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

“What does it leave?” You grasping at straws. You have been proven wrong numerous times now, but continue on grasping at straws. “White” slavery did exist at the time that our Country was founded. You can ignore the truth as you are, or see the reason and logical thought that our country was not racist. That is not to say that that racism did not exist, but it did not exist in our founding documents, which is what our country is founded on. As I stated to you, nowhere in our Declaration of Independence nor in our Constitution will you… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago

What does it leave? Slaves – go read about the topic. Who do you think the 3/5ths formula was referring to? I understand you have an opinion that the government was not racist at the time it was created, but the three fifths compromise was about slaves – that is a fact. Yes, the Indians were counted as zero – that is clear by what is written in the Constitution. I never claimed anything different. As I already mentioned, the discussion with you regarding Blacks was interesting enough without going into the matter of the Indians. Many at the time… Read more »

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago

Will – 4/12/21

“@Heed,everything that dumbass posts is wrong. He molds some topic the way “he” wants it to be perceived then goes to YouTube or some other ridiculous link that will fit his narrative and claims it to be fact! Hell no our founders weren’t racists. I really doubt that word was even used back then. It’s easy to see why the fool enjoys Dees company so much too.”

Response to Will:

You really hate facts.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/12/21:
 

“I like facts totally,You just never present any! Your opine ain’t fact or truth! Understand?”

Response to Will:

I understand that I presented the following facts:

  • Some of the founding fathers owned slaves;
  • At the time the government was created, it was not illegal to own slaves;
  • The Bill of Rights did not address the issue of slavery;

Your comments regarding the founding fathers owning people are all preserved (even though you deleted your posts).

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
3 days ago

Will – 4/10/21: “Heed,everything he posts is bullshit! He’s a very weird pilgrim for sure! I’ve tried many times to get people to avoid him too!” Reply to Will: You were absolutely sure none of the founding fathers owned slaves. That was sad, but what was pathetic was that when you were provided a link with information, you refused to have a look. You also refused to use your computer to do a quick search yourself to see if you were mistaken. You were completely comfortable wallowing in your ignorance. It’s all above in quotes. The same goes for the… Read more »

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JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/12/21: “What I said was I could care less if they owned slaves 250 years ago or not. It was very normal for rich White plantation owners to own many slaves. What would had been really strange is if they didn’t! My point to you is what they hell difference does that even make in 2021?” Response to Will: Your quotes are all there for anyone to read. As to relevance in 2021, as I’ve told you several times previously when you made that point, I was responding to this statement that Heed the Call-up made: “Our government… Read more »

Will
Will
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Heed is right,NOT RACIST 250 years ago.NOT RACIST NOW!

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago
Reply to  Will

Will – 4/12/21:

“Heed is right,NOT RACIST 250 years ago.NOT RACIST NOW!”

Response to Will:

You do have conviction in your belief, and lots of emotion.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC
1 day ago
Reply to  JSNMGC

Will – 4/12/21:
 
“Just little fools like you and Dee want to keep that non-existent racist narrative alive. Ain’t working!”

Response to Will:

Once again, Will, the conversation was about the late 1700s.

RoyD
RoyD
4 days ago
Reply to  Doug G.

LOL!

Here is a more accurate representation of this sentence that you wrote.

Even today, as Dr. Lott points out, inner city blacks and other poor people are affected more by criminal inner city blacks AND they are the most at risk!”

And yet when something is done about predatory, “inner city blacks”, the black “community” starts howling. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

Tman72
Tman72
3 days ago
Reply to  Dee

Tell your brainwashed fellow lefty blacks to drop the mandated “progressive” democrat auto vote and support the 2nd Amendment colorful patriots such as Colion and Hank Strange , Candace Owens etc.
at least you’ll have a fighting chance.

johncuyle
johncuyle
4 days ago

Is that sling set up as a single point attached to the stock? It looks odd.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
4 days ago
Reply to  johncuyle

3-point sling! Full retard on an AR.

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
4 days ago
Reply to  Knute

Good one!

Knute
Knute
4 days ago

Did you stay till the punch line at the end? With the garbage can? 🙂

Charlie Foxtrot
Charlie Foxtrot
4 days ago
Reply to  Knute

Yes!

Mike the Limey
Mike the Limey
5 days ago

The Guardian is the newspaper read by more educated socialists & supporters of the far left in the UK.
Its reporting will ALWAYS support big government, social control & the removal of citizens’ ability to resist or overthrow an authoritarian state.
They really DO believe they know what’s best for people.

Montana454Casull
Montana454Casull
5 days ago

The media spin cycle is a joke and always a bunch of lies . They print this crap as fact when its ussually a gross misrepresentation of the facts . They know what they are printing is nothing more than a pack of lies but the end justifies the means as long as it fits the false narrative they are pushing.

Dasher_Dork
Dasher_Dork
5 days ago

And here I was thinking we were talking about black guns, i.e. AR’s… lol

WI Patriot
WI Patriot
5 days ago

“Media Misrepresentation”
Isn’t that always the case when it comes to guns…???