The Narrow Life Experience of Supreme Court Justices
Ammoland Inc.https://www.ammoland.com/Posted on by Rob Morse
U.S.A. –-(AmmoLand.com)- I listened to the oral arguments in the case of New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruen. I found the judges on the US Supreme court both fascinating and frightening. To me, their questions showed the narrow life experiences of a supreme court judge. Before I commit the same error that these judges made, I must admit that the justices are not all the same, and their experiences are certainly different than mine.
This particular legal case asks the court to decide if ordinary people can legally carry ordinary firearms in ordinary places. Time and again, the judges asked the petitioner’s counsel if he were asking that guns belong in extraordinary places. To take a few examples, the judge was implying that honest gun owners should be disarmed at schools, at public gatherings, on the subway, and at sporting events.
Lawyers want to restrict their arguments to the narrow question asked in the case. What I found fascinating were the judges’ assumptions.
The judge assumes that schools are safe and that guns should be outlawed there. I’ve studied our history and I know that schools are dangerous places where innocent children have been attacked. My experience may be unusual since I’ve worked to make schools safer with programs that trained school staff to be first responders, to stop an attack and treat the injured unto police and EMTs arrive.
My experience may be unusual since I know co-eds who were raped as they walked home from class late at night. They were disarmed because the campus was a “gun free zone”. No, the campus wasn’t a “gun free zone” to the rapist who brought his gun. It sounds as if the justices think that laws enforce themselves and that criminals obey our laws.
That isn’t my experience. My friends have a painful history to prove it. Evidently, that history and what we learned from it isn’t obvious to some supreme court judges.
One judge asked if the state could outlaw concealed carry at public gatherings like Times Square on New Year’s eve, or at bars and restaurants where alcohol is served. Again, I heard the question as a confession by the judges.
The judge thinks that restaurants and bars are made safe by ink on paper. If we’re going to outlaw guns, then wouldn’t bars be safer if we also outlawed carrying keys in a bar so we wouldn’t drive while intoxicated? I’m afraid the judge would say that we should outlaw keys in bars too. To me, it sounds as if the judge thinks we depend on laws to get home safely.
If a law is unjust, man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so- Jefferson. Americans can and will carry wherever they go. Schools, public gatherings and subways are not “extraordinary places”, nor extraordinary at all! They are in fact where violence frequently occurs. The government was specifically denied any authority whatsoever to limit the People’s right to keep and bear arms. No exceptions were listed, thus none exist. Every gun law is unconstitutional.
Are you mocking those that think one can not own a tank, rocket launcher, or atomic bomb or do you really think that one can not own one or all of those?
Laws are followed by the lawful, we know that criminals don’t, that’s why they are called criminals.
You should be allowed to carry protection anywhere you go, period.
Allowed? Free men don’t need permission. Brother, the only power the government has is what We the People ALLOW the government to have, by granting consent to be governed. The government doesn’t have the power to “allow” us dick.
Sisu
2 years ago
Rob Morse, You have asked an incredibly perceptive question; allow me to rephrase the question: “Are individuals with similar ‘narrow experience in life’ founded in academia, and legal training, advocacy and procedure, albeit with different perspectives on the ‘law’, its genesis and purpose, deemed by other lawyers, law professors and politicians qualified to be ‘judges’ ?” And, you have chosen an appropriate reference point. I listened to and read the transcript of the oral arguments of NYSRPA v Bruen; and I read the petition, response and several amici briefs (far too many for me to read all). The discussion was… Read more »
Roland T. Gunner
2 years ago
Astute, vexing; and frightening that these are the men and women to whom we have entrusted such power.
chocopot
2 years ago
I will ask the question I have now been asking for more than 40 years without ever getting a REAL answer: Just where in the wording of The Second Amendment is there even the slightest suggestion of a provision permitting restrictions, limitations, or exceptions? Anyone? Yet there are now more than 24,000 gun control laws in this nation at the federal, state, and local levels. All of them have somehow passed legal muster, yet in my humble opinion, EVERY ONE OF THEM is unconstitutional.
You will not like the answer. The Second Amendment did not apply to the states until McDonald v. Chicago. McDonald v. Chicago incorporated the Second Amendment against the states. Please see McDonald v. Chicago.
Authority worship POV. 2A always applied to states, + bright language in 14A. The Constitution never made SCrOTUS sole-final arbiter of God-given rights. It’s arrogated power. See Constitution, Framers, Mayhew etc.
No, as almost everyone on this site knows, the Bill of Rights, originally, only applied to the Federal government. After the 14th Amendment was passed, the S. Ct decided to apply each Right against the states, and that Right came up in a controversy between an individual and any one of the several states. The Second Amendment was incorporated against the States in the case of McDonald v. Chicago. Note: the Third Amendment has not been incorporated against the states, yet. All three branches of the Federal government seem to be in favor of this procedure. Have another tumbler of… Read more »
Boz
2 years ago
SCROTUS
Rich
2 years ago
I have no issue with the author’s points, but the members of the Supreme Court are properly addressed and referred to as Justices, not Judges….
True, but they are also properly referred to as other things, too!!
Wass
2 years ago
NYSR&P vs. Bruen is a narrow case with broad ramifications. It’s NOT about if “ordinary people can legally carry ordinary firearms in ordinary places”. It’s about if New Yorkers, already vetted and licensed to own firearms, can enjoy the same gun rights as licensees in the vast majority of states, without needing to prove extraordinary need, or any need. Don’t doubt for one moment, this case is THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE ever to be argued before SCOTUS on gun rights, in US history. Any other issue, whether it’s, magazine capacities, calibers, gun free zones, earliest age for gun license, etc.,… Read more »
Last edited 2 years ago by Wass
Lazyglenn
2 years ago
During my time in law enforcement, we would share this information with female, good guys who need to testify in court. Wear a modest full lenght dress or skirt, only jewelry is your wedding ring, a pearl necklace, simple stud earrings. The judge wants you to appear as a full time housewife, you spend your time baking cookies for the kids, cleaning house, dinner is ready when husband arrives home. And, You greet hubby at the door with his favorite drink.
” Leave it to Beaver ” , ” Father knows best “.
Interesting mindset .
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If a law is unjust, man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so- Jefferson. Americans can and will carry wherever they go. Schools, public gatherings and subways are not “extraordinary places”, nor extraordinary at all! They are in fact where violence frequently occurs. The government was specifically denied any authority whatsoever to limit the People’s right to keep and bear arms. No exceptions were listed, thus none exist. Every gun law is unconstitutional.
LoL. I see you’ve been downvoted by the cop lobby here.
Correct there are exactly Zero.
But you cant have an atomic bomb, and you cant have a tank, and you cant have a rocket launcher, and but, but but….
It’s difficult to “bear” any of those.
In Texas we are partial to trailers.
Are you mocking those that think one can not own a tank, rocket launcher, or atomic bomb or do you really think that one can not own one or all of those?
Sure you can.
Wanna bet?
Top 10 Military Tanks For Sale To Civilians – Military Machine
Laws are followed by the lawful, we know that criminals don’t, that’s why they are called criminals.
You should be allowed to carry protection anywhere you go, period.
Allowed? Free men don’t need permission. Brother, the only power the government has is what We the People ALLOW the government to have, by granting consent to be governed. The government doesn’t have the power to “allow” us dick.
Rob Morse, You have asked an incredibly perceptive question; allow me to rephrase the question: “Are individuals with similar ‘narrow experience in life’ founded in academia, and legal training, advocacy and procedure, albeit with different perspectives on the ‘law’, its genesis and purpose, deemed by other lawyers, law professors and politicians qualified to be ‘judges’ ?” And, you have chosen an appropriate reference point. I listened to and read the transcript of the oral arguments of NYSRPA v Bruen; and I read the petition, response and several amici briefs (far too many for me to read all). The discussion was… Read more »
Astute, vexing; and frightening that these are the men and women to whom we have entrusted such power.
I will ask the question I have now been asking for more than 40 years without ever getting a REAL answer: Just where in the wording of The Second Amendment is there even the slightest suggestion of a provision permitting restrictions, limitations, or exceptions? Anyone? Yet there are now more than 24,000 gun control laws in this nation at the federal, state, and local levels. All of them have somehow passed legal muster, yet in my humble opinion, EVERY ONE OF THEM is unconstitutional.
You will not like the answer. The Second Amendment did not apply to the states until McDonald v. Chicago. McDonald v. Chicago incorporated the Second Amendment against the states. Please see McDonald v. Chicago.
Authority worship POV. 2A always applied to states, + bright language in 14A. The Constitution never made SCrOTUS sole-final arbiter of God-given rights. It’s arrogated power. See Constitution, Framers, Mayhew etc.
No, as almost everyone on this site knows, the Bill of Rights, originally, only applied to the Federal government. After the 14th Amendment was passed, the S. Ct decided to apply each Right against the states, and that Right came up in a controversy between an individual and any one of the several states. The Second Amendment was incorporated against the States in the case of McDonald v. Chicago. Note: the Third Amendment has not been incorporated against the states, yet. All three branches of the Federal government seem to be in favor of this procedure. Have another tumbler of… Read more »
SCROTUS
I have no issue with the author’s points, but the members of the Supreme Court are properly addressed and referred to as Justices, not Judges….
True, but they are also properly referred to as other things, too!!
NYSR&P vs. Bruen is a narrow case with broad ramifications. It’s NOT about if “ordinary people can legally carry ordinary firearms in ordinary places”. It’s about if New Yorkers, already vetted and licensed to own firearms, can enjoy the same gun rights as licensees in the vast majority of states, without needing to prove extraordinary need, or any need. Don’t doubt for one moment, this case is THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE ever to be argued before SCOTUS on gun rights, in US history. Any other issue, whether it’s, magazine capacities, calibers, gun free zones, earliest age for gun license, etc.,… Read more »
During my time in law enforcement, we would share this information with female, good guys who need to testify in court. Wear a modest full lenght dress or skirt, only jewelry is your wedding ring, a pearl necklace, simple stud earrings. The judge wants you to appear as a full time housewife, you spend your time baking cookies for the kids, cleaning house, dinner is ready when husband arrives home. And, You greet hubby at the door with his favorite drink.
” Leave it to Beaver ” , ” Father knows best “.
Interesting mindset .