Dewine Must Choose Sides with Ohio Permitless Carry Bill

Will Dewine side with citizens demanding their right to uninfringed carry or with the police groups that oppose it? (Governor Mike Dewine/Facebook)

U.S.A. – -(Ammoland.com)- “Ohio Senate passes concealed carry bill over objections of law enforcement groups,” Fox 19 reported Wednesday. “Opponents, including the Ohio FOP, argue the bill hamstrings law enforcement and makes Ohioans less safe.”

“The bill makes concealed carry licenses optional—thereby removing background checks and training minimums—for those 21 and over who wish to carry a firearm,” the report elaborates. “The bill also eliminates the requirement that Ohioans promptly notify law enforcement officers during a traffic stop if they have a concealed weapon.”

While some may be inclined to ask, “Why not 18?” for now they may want to take a potential “win.” The antis know how to advance in increments and the loss to them, if this is signed into law, will be significant. But it does illustrate why I call it “permitless carry” instead of “Constitutional”—it’s not like “gun-free zone,” and “prohibited person,” and other restrictions don’t still apply.

“Now, for the first time in history, there are two Constitutional Carry bills that BOTH PASSED their originating chamber,” Gun Owners of America advises, noting the similar House bill that passed. “This means we now have TWO CHANCES at getting Constitutional Carry in Ohio. And since both chambers have now shown they support this legislation, it should not be difficult to get one chamber to fully pass and send the other chamber’s bill to Governor DeWine.”

The Senate vote was almost along straight party lines, with all Republicans but one voting for the bill, and all Democrats voting against it. The one GOP turncoat was Jerry Cirino – and an endorsement from The Cleveland Plain Dealer should have been all the warning sign anyone needed. One can only wonder what whoppers he must have told to also get endorsed by the National Rifle Association and its state affiliate, the Buckeye Firearms Association.

Naturally, Cirino’s covering for his betrayal by claiming to be “a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment” and then showing everyone how big his “but” is. He resorts to all the tired and disingenuous talking points used by “Only Ones” and antis to swindle citizens who don’t know any better out of their rights, like the police state apologist who supports him with the assertion:

“I guess these commenters really don’t back the blue like they claim to.”

Actually, useful idiot, “the blue,” which says it’s there “to serve and protect” and takes an oath to support the Constitution, is supposed to back us.

Cirino has left himself open though when he claims to “have spoken with numerous constituents (including Second Amendment advocates…” who agree with him.

Fine. Who are they? If they’re voices of influence — and they must be if they have access and could persuade him that infringements on the right to bear arms are proper and desirable — then we deserve to know, if for no other reason than to let the gun advocacy community know who they are to see if their voices are still worth heeding. I’m not holding my breath waiting for an answer to my question.

As for accepting the “law enforcement” arguments, it’s no surprise that the Fraternal Order of Police wants to hold its power over the rights of the citizens who employ them. When it came to the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act, FOP was all for nationwide concealed carry for cops. When it became our turn, FOP then turned around and opposed  the “Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, which would allow any civilian concealed carry permit holder to travel to any other State issuing concealed carry permits…”

Their excuses are garbage, too. It will still be illegal for “prohibited” criminals to carry guns — as if any bill will change the fact that they still do because they’re criminals. As for cops not knowing the good from the bad, that not only goes with the job, it goes with life. Besides, we’ve seen what happens when citizens try to reveal they’re lawfully armed to the wrong cop:

We’ve also seen another reason some LE officials are resistant, one that has nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with the equivalent of a poll tax, as this example from Alabama shows:

“He said without the permits, which cost $20 per year, there would be no way to monitor the background of someone purchasing guns.”

Would someone care to explain NICS to this guy?

But back to the Ohio bills: Dewine has been a back-and-forth mixed bag throughout his political career, alternatively praised as a “principled statesman” by the Brady Campaign then becoming a “convert” to the NRA side of the aisle. That is until he started making noises about “a 17-point plan to address gun violence—one of them is a red flag law” following a mass shooting in Dayton by a socialist “gun control” supporter.

“He famously threatened to veto Stand Your Ground legislation if the legislature passed it. But, in the end, he backed down and reluctantly signed it,” Ohio.ConcealedCarry.com recalled. “Would he promise to do the same with constitutional carry? He hasn’t tipped his hand yet, but if I were betting, the better play is that he would veto the legislation.”

For his part:

“DeWine won’t say whether he’d sign a bill allowing for permitless concealed carry with no required training, saying only that he wants to see how it’s written.”

That’s a lie. He doesn’t have internet?  All he has to do to see what the bills say is read them off the legislature websites. You know his aides/advisors already have. And it’s telling that no reporter countered such a transparently disingenuous excuse with that observation. There’s no reason why he couldn’t have made a decision last week except that he’s weighing the potential political fallout.

If he does work up the guts to chicken out – and for Dewine that’s actually not a contradiction in terms –  the legislature still has override options.

If he vetoes it, Ohio gun owners should have no more illusions about where Dewine stands. If he happily surprises us and signs the bill into law, I’ll be happy, but still won’t trust he did it for any reason other than what will blowback on him the least.

I’m finishing this column up on Sunday afternoon. Hopefully, we’ll know the answer, and it will be a good one, by the time AmmoLand preps and publishes it.


About David Codrea:

David Codrea is the winner of multiple journalist awards for investigating/defending the RKBA and a long-time gun owner rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He blogs at “The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance,” is a regularly featured contributor to Firearms News, and posts on Twitter: @dcodrea and Facebook.

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nrringlee

This brings me back to a central point concerning the Republican Party. The Republican Party is not a conservative party and is certainly not a Constitution Party. The Republican Party has been a progressive party for decades. The leadership class of the Republican Party has been solidly Wilsonian Progressive for decades and will only tolerate and exploit conservatives and libertarians as a source of needed money and votes come election time. Once in power they act like classical progressives, a governing elite of Mandarins who disregard the desires and beliefs of those who put them in office and they shift… Read more »

Green Mtn. Boy

Exactly the opposite side of the same corrupt coin.

Stag

This is one of the best articles I’ve seen on Ammoland. David really nailed it. Here are a few points I would like to make which I’m sure will draw downvotes from the usual suspects. •“Ohio Senate passes concealed carry bill over objections of law enforcement groups,” Fox 19 reported Wednesday. “Opponents, including the Ohio FOP, argue the bill hamstrings law enforcement and makes Ohioans less safe.” Here we see yet again how much the government’s thugs really hate the 2A. •”But it does illustrate why I call it “permitless carry” instead of “Constitutional”—it’s not like “gun-free zone,” and “prohibited… Read more »

Bobocat

Let’s all remember this, the Democrats want to rewrite the Constitution, Sanders has one all ready to go. Clinton made the statement that she would look at the Constitution if she was elected. This will do away with the second amendment and do away with Constitutional carry. On the other hand permitless carry will not depend on the Constitute. I think this is the thought of some. I wish someone would post Bernie Sanders idea of the new bill of rights, right out of the Soviet Union.

ESJinOhio

Joe Blystone supports permitless carry. Joe Blystone is a Constitutional Conservative.

JSNMGC

“As a farmer and hunter, I believe the right to bear arms . . .” ~ Joe Blystone

I don’t know. He really shouldn’t preface his view on the 2nd Amendment with mentioning farming and hunting.

https://www.blystoneforgovernor.com/policies/

ESJinOhio

Joe is a Blue Collar guy and I believe this reference is to enforce that. He wants people to know where he came from, what his morals are based on. I asked his opinion on permitless carry and he said he supports it. And, in fact, carries himself. I understand the basis for your comment, but realize this; Joe Blystone is a farmer and small businessman. He is not a politician that says what he’s supposed to. Joe says what he believes.

JSNMGC

Glad to hear to hear he is pro 2nd Amendment. Just a suggestion – the next time you speak with him, you may want to consider letting him know that many firearm rights activists have heard politicians say: “I have a gun, and hunting has been a big part of my family’s tradition for a long time, . . .” Then they propose “common sense gun control we can all agree on.” The 2nd Amendment was written to make absolutely sure “civilians” had the means to shoot armed government employees in the face if they enforced unconscionable laws. I’m not… Read more »

Henry Bowman

Dewine will not disappoint his Gestapo or his fellow RINOs. Low standards must be maintained, after all!

JSNMGC

Thanks for posting the video, David. Why did you go into the cherry orchard and pick a couple of cherries? Why did you choose to pluck two bad apples out of the barrels of bad apples. Will (“TEX”) says that its fake, though, because it was posted on youtube. Or, maybe he will say that the “civilian” was shooting people in the butt just before this video clip. TStheDeplorable says not-so-qualified immunity doesn’t need reform because that enforcer acted appropriately and civil action against him would be frivolous. Notice how 100% of the enforcers present were bad? I wonder what… Read more »

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swmft

the one at the top is bad they form a gang that looks just like them ,likely whole county gooberment is the same ,right down to judges and prosecutors. Trumbull county is so bad they lock doors have court hearings and pass judgments without defendants being notified ,police are in on it .

JSNMGC

The maniac with a gun and badge who regretted not committing murder is bad. The other idiot with a gun and badge is bad for allowing the maniac to make those comments.

How often has the one screaming done this before and there was no video? He sounded a lot like POS Langley (the one doing the screaming at Shaver before POS Brailsford started shooting).

Patriot Solutions

I’m betting Dean would be critical of the lunatic and based upon historical evidence WillTex et’al would likely say Dean has the facts all wrong then tell Dean he isn’t going to read anymore of Deans writings.

Then, WillTex et’al will go get his rebel flag tat re-colored and get out from under the florescent lighting for a while.

JSNMGC

I would hope so. The article Dean wrote about the encounter he had while shooting his suppressed pistol was odd.

Green Mtn. Boy

“Dewine Must Choose Sides with Ohio Permitless Carry Bill”

My understanding of him is he is nothing more than a RINO and that makes him yet another worthless would be petty tyrant.

JSNMGC

Did you see all those Ohio Sheriffs who came out in support of permitless carry?

JSNMGC

Maybe its that whole rural vs urban thing. Vinton County is extremely rural. Ryan hasn’t made his view known on the legislation like Charmaine did:

https://www.buckeyesheriffs.org/ohio.php?county=Vinton

nrringlee

It is also an electoral political thing. Chiefs of Police are appointed by city councils. Sheriffs are directly elected by the people in competitive and generally nonpartisan elections. Direct accountability is the key. My sheriff, a poster child for Constitutional Sheriffs spends a great deal of time in gun stores, at gun shows, and at our ranges talking with us. That is why Constitutional Carry and permitless carry are such a reality in my county. We have a working relationship with our Sheriff and his department. It is one thing to support the Second Amendment but it is an entirely… Read more »

JSNMGC

I was being sarcastic. The sheriff in the link is rural and he didn’t come out in favor of the legislation. No LE came out in favor of the legislation, but some came out against it.

I don’t want LE to “provide the public with the training and resources.” I want them to leave people alone.

Good luck with your sheriff.

swmft

think it is more good honest sheriffs looking for a way to clean up bad adjoining counties

JSNMGC

???

Patriot Solutions

Come on now, the masonic NWO doesn’t support our rights but they support Barry the ferry although we are told quite differently on Ammoland by those who know they are lying through their teeth.

https://gettr.com/post/pkbhhvb640.m

JSNMGC

Did you see the number of downvotes in the thread in which I asked people who support not-so-qualified-immunity not to move from blue states to western mountain states? I even said please and thank you.

Patriot Solutions

Yep, Loool.

Lot’s of banana eaters here.

JSNMGC

A certain percentage of posters are incapable of learning by watching other people have their rights abused, so they protect people who abuse rights.

Russn8r

A larger percentage are the “LEOs” who are abusing those rights.

Russn8r

…and their sock puppets.

JSNMGC

Those are a subset of the certain percentage to which I was referring. Those are some of the funniest videos – watching them try to make each other respect their authority and both of them having hurt feelings.

JSNMGC

You might enjoy this (if you haven’t seen it) – search for this:

“Cops Arrest ATF Agent and Get Sued”

Patriot Solutions

Perhaps there is a conspiracy…..

A subversive monolithic conspiracy of secrecy against critical thinkers who refuse to be good slaves.

https://gettr.com/post/pkctimeb61

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JSNMGC

There are many conspiracies involving government employees.

Some conspiracies are clear.

Some theories should just be stated and discussed (rather than do what Tank does and just make some vague reference and then state everyone should understand what his theory is).

Some conspiracy theories are just looney. The looney-tunes stuff tends to take away credibility from those that have merit.

JSNMGC

“Allowing virtually anyone in Ohio to conceal weapons on their person without training or background checks will make Ohio less safe. More than that, it will make the job of law enforcement even more stressful” – Hamilton County Sheriff Charmaine McGuffey

Charmaine McGuffey has a degree in Criminal Justice from the University of Cincinnati. She is married to Christine Sandusky.

Maybe she believes her opinion is correct because she has a degree in Criminal Justice.

JSNMGC
JSNMGC

Maybe its because she’s a yankee. Uh oh, hold on, this rebel doesn’t like just any old “civilian” carrying either:

https://lovebylife.com/the-sheriffs-office-post-on-the-handgun-carry-bill-prompts-a-massive-return-fire/

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Russn8r

Yep. “Qualified and accomplished.” Sounds like “Doctor Bill”.

JSNMGC

She’s got all sorts of accomplishments. Who am I to argue? She’s been were the action is, and did you see her collar brass?

Patriot Solutions

Elon Musk says he has seen people with Bachelor Degrees that were dumb as a box of rocks, Looool.

This does not explain freemason Will’Tex et’al the banana eater with rebel flag tat.

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JSNMGC

When the credentials argument doesn’t pan out, they will pull the other argument out “why don’t YOU become a police officer and show us how it’s done!!!!!”

People are allowed to have opinions on actors, musicians, politicians, and senior business executives without ever having been one, but for some reason, people are not allowed to have opinions on enforcers without ever having been one.

Knute Knute

Just FYI, the “credentials argument” is actually called “ethos”. Using the correct terminology allows looking up and researching the term to find out its strengths and weaknesses. For example: “Ethos or the ethical appeal, means to convince an audience of the author’s credibility or character.” https://pathosethoslogos.com/ But today, most claiming the position of superiority based upon their credentials alone, quite obviously don’t even possess said credentials. Claims have largely taken the place of actual facts and evidence. The cure is to examine carefully any ethos argument. Scrutinize the writing for bias and fairness, as well as for correct grammar and… Read more »

swmft

so it is ok for someone who was one to say she is as stupid as they come and just a might more

Russn8r

Yes!

Russn8r

Elon’s right. I’ve seen PhDs dumb as hammers. Lots of ’em in CDC-FDA etc. People who flaunt “credentials” as if they make an argument compelling, are LOSERS. E.g. “Doctor Bill”.

https://babylonbee.com/video/138

JSNMGC

Are you saying a degree in Political Science and/or Criminal Justice from Hamline University doesn’t make someone’s opinion on economics and corporate finance irrefutable?

Russn8r

Since you put it that way…MY BAD!

swmft

so my double masters should let me solve all the world problems?

Russn8r

I’m ok with that.

Knute Knute

If your double Masters Degrees are in gender studies and basketweaving you might be qualifed to learn to say: “Do you want fries with that?” 🙂 …. Maybe.
You might only be qualified to sit in a soundstage in a basement in the back yard of the White House in front of a painting of the Rose Garden and tell the sheep on lived TV that its so nice in DC this winter that the roses are blooming!

Wild Bill

Knute! Long time, no hear from! How have you been? Hope that you are having a happy and healthy Christmas!

Knute Knute

I am! Thx WB. Merry Christmas to you too! I’ve still been around, putting my 2 cents in every once in a while. A lot of it is that I haven’t had any new wildcat projects going lately to talk about. I’m building an 8 1/2 inch Aero Precision .300 BLK, braced ‘pistol’ :-), but I don’t count that as a project. ARs are just assembled, not built. I do have an ongoing project, but nobody’d ever be interested in it. A re-imagining of the matchlock isn’t high on anybod’s priority list. I’m only doing it as a bucket list… Read more »

Wild Bill

A matchlock! That would take some skills. What is the plan? Merry Christmas and a Happy New Matchlock!

Knute Knute

Smoothbore, bored and breech plugged personally, serpentine, trigger, flat springs, etc., all made, hardened, and tempered, myself. But not a traditional matchlock, for I don’t believe there is any benefit to the match coming down from the front. I’m building the serpentine to go into the touchhole from behind the breechplug, which eliminates parts between it and the trigger. Then just fit into a stock blank, the same as a kit. Except I’m starting with a chuck of Ash that I harvested from my own yard. So I need to lay it all out and square it all by hand,… Read more »

Wild Bill

Your opinions are better founded than the ged boys.

Wild Bill

Never stated my major. Econ 101 is required and Econ 201 is suggested for undergrads. You don’t even have that. You are just making things up again.
Hamilne is well thought of in the academic community and its credits transfer to other Ivy League schools. Didn’t you know?
Any degree is better than made up facts from the ged crowd.
And you opened the door on credentials, not me. Then it turns out that you have none.

JSNMGC

“You don’t even have that.”

You are just making things up again.

Hamline is well thought of for social justice degrees.

You were the one who supported your opinions with your credentials and then began demanding to know my credentials. You then went on to indicate my views were not valid because you had, incorrectly, concluded I had no credentials.

If you are going to base the value of your opinions on your credentials (a bad idea), you should really bring more to the game than having taken an Econ 101 class at Hamline and then working in the Army.

Wild Bill

You have it flipped. You made an unsupported assertion, and put your credibility into question. Why should we believe you. Remember now?
Not my credentials … I use footnotes! You don’t. You think that we should believe you just because you say so. Why should we believe you?
As to Hamline, how would you know what Hamline is know for. Did you attend … ever? Are we supposed to believe you just because you say so? Support your claims.

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JSNMGC

You and your mouse again.

No, I don’t have it flipped.

You indicated I shouldn’t be believed because you, incorrectly, concluded I have no credentials (degrees/work experience).

You then gave only a small part of your credentials.

You frequently make assertions with no support. You have stated things that are simply untrue.

I frequently provide links to supporting information or, in many cases, video evidence proving exactly what I had asserted.

Wild Bill

You have a poor memory or you are dishonest, which goes to your credibility. And you gave resume because you have none.

Russn8r

And you gave resume…”?
Lay off the alcohol & weed until later in the day.

Wild Bill

Only a partial resume. I have lots more that I have not even mentioned.

Russn8r

You’re sad, but funny. And you give good resume!

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JSNMGC

None of those three things are true.

You are a hypocrite who covers for a thug who had a badge and who supports other thugs with badges.

Wild Bill

should have been “no resume because you have none.” Sorry for any confusion that the typo may have caused.

Russn8r

LOL. Your arguments blow – snarky deflection & ad hominem on those you disagree with, combined with shameful ingratiation with others. But with those Hemline U “creds”, you win every time! (in your sad sock-puppet troll mind)

Your sort of dude would say Einstein was unqualified to teach at L.A. Unified because he didn’t have a “teaching credential” – as opposed to all the gvt-union winners who have one.

No one here brags alleged “creds” but you. Why? It’s a sad substitute for compelling honest argument. Wearing “creds” on one’s sleeve reflects an insecure, weak, or evil mind.

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Wild Bill

You have no idea what kind of person I am. You just make things up ged boy.

JSNMGC

That hypocrisy.

Russn8r

You have no idea what kind of person I am. You just make things up ged boy.

See how that works?

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nrringlee

People elect the gummint they deserve. Case in point.

JSNMGC

The minority voters (who vote for freedom) in areas with totalitarian laws don’t get the government they deserve.