Americans’ Fundamental Rights Are Dissipating Rapidly Time to Cling to Your Guns

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Gone are Free Speech, Freedom of Association, Privacy, Fair and Equal Justice Under the Law . . . Will Loss of Property Rights in One’s Firearms Be Next?

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New York – -(AmmoLand.com)- Americans have never been so close to losing “Freedom” and “Liberty” as they are at this very moment in time. And once lost, our “Freedom” and “Liberty” will, indeed, be lost forever. The forces that crush nations and people will see to it.

As western “democracies” model themselves on the Collectivist example of Communist China, Americans should stop and think, and ask themselves: Is this what I really want? Am I so fearful of what my own Government has become that I will not take a stand against it when the time comes for action? Are those fundamental, sacred, unalienable, immutable, eternal. Those God-given Rights that the framers of a free Republic codified in the Bill of Rights of the U.S. Constitution, so unimportant to me, so ephemeral, so “malleable,” I am willing to do without them? That I am willing to forsake them, lest I incur the wrath of Government—the wrath of a powerful, and hungry, and jealous Tyrant if I refuse to surrender them; to revoke them once and forevermore?

This Government, this Federal Government, my Government, that has turned its back on me. That has taken my right to dissent, my right to associate with like-kind, my right to worship the one true God, my right to petition Government, and even my right to keep private to me my own cherished, secret thoughts from unreasonable search seizure—how much more will this Government demand of me?

And I know the answer to that question before I even ask it.

For, as long as I bear a firearm, I pose, in that very act, a visible threat to this Government, my Government. And so I know that, before long, this Government, my Government, will demand of me one final token, one more freedom to relinquish. It is a little thing really, as the Government tells me—a token of loyalty toward it, demonstrating my obeisance to it, that I may obtain absolution from it.

I must surrender my firearms to this Government, my Government.

And, if I refuse to do so, what then? This token requested of me is, I know, less a request than a demand—an order made to me. Either I capitulate to this creature that was created to serve me or I must face the consequences for my temerity. It is either this or that. The one or the other.

There is no other way for me; no other choice to be given me. There is no way to split the difference. There is to be no negotiation in the matter, no time to mull over the matter. And there is to be no truce. The Government has made it all very clear to me: unconditional surrender. And, failure to comply is to risk indefinite detention, or, if recalcitrant, then to dare clash with the tyrant’s mighty force. But, then, as to the latter, it has happened before.

The Founders of our Republic took up the challenge, threw down the gauntlet, and routed a mighty power that had strutted its invincibility.

I will soon have to make my choice, as my forefathers once, long ago, had to make theirs. Surrender or fight.

There are no half-measures here. To submit willingly to tyranny, or to do so grudgingly and half-heartedly, or to do so openly angrily—raging all the while—is, at the end of the day, all one and the same. Submission, however one does submit, is still to humble oneself before a Tyrant. At the end of the day, it is still submission. It is still self-deprecation. It is still prostration before a monstrous evil. And this Tyrannical Government cares not how I shall humble myself, how it is that I submit before it; only that I do so, and that I do so—completely, irrevocably.

It is singularly odd to contemplate, two hundred and forty years later, that we Americans have, in the first quarter of a new century, come full circle from that day, long ago, on July 2, 1776, when the Delegates to the Continental Congress met to sign the Declaration of Independence

“By signing the Declaration of Independence, the delegates were putting their lives on the line. If they were to lose the war for independence, then the British government would execute them in a very painful and nasty way. Thus, although we do not know if Benjamin Franklin actually said, ‘we must all hang together, or . . . we shall all hang separately,’ it is likely that that idea was in the minds of the delegates that day in July.”

And now, despite the blatant lies of a seditious Press to the contrary, it is plain for all to see if they will but only look, that our own Government has dared to turn its back on its own people. It has turned its back on those very people to whom it was created for no other purpose than to serve. America’s Founding Fathers would no doubt see some caustic irony in this and much more than a little concern, wondering whether their own courage, sacrifice, and perseverance—and that of tens of millions of other valiant American Patriots, who, in the intervening years, fought and died to preserve and strengthen an independent and sovereign Nation, a free Constitutional Republic, and a free and sovereign people—had all been in vain.

This page in our Nation’s wondrous history has yet to be written. How recorders of history do set this chapter down depends entirely on you and me: a chapter describing a free people that stood courageously, as one, against tyranny, or a chapter reduced to a footnote, little more than an afterthought, quickly jotted down, and just as quickly, forgotten. A small annotation that speaks of the humiliation of a once-great Nation and of a once-great people—of a once-great, and free, and sovereign people who did not take a stand against a Tyrant, but chose, instead, to grovel before it. And if they fail to stand against this Tyrant, they will then no further choices will be made by them, but only by the Tyrant, for them.

If Americans fail to stand up against tyranny, they will be compelled to reap the consequences for their cowardice; consequences that affect not only themselves but their offspring, all those generations of Americans to come; for future generations will subsist as mere subservient vessels of tyranny in the gangrenous remains of what was once thought to be an imperishable Nation. These lost generations shall never taste of nor know of freedom and liberty, nor will they even recall the name, ‘American Citizen.’

We, Americans, have ample warning of the fate that awaits us if we choose wrong. A dire outcome can be avoided, today. Tomorrow will be too late.

The choice to be made is yours and mine while it can be made, but only in this, the present moment. Be mindful that our Country is being taken from us. Be mindful of that. The noose over our Country and over our citizenry, and over our essential freedoms is tightening, slowly but inexorably. Be prepared to resist Tyranny.

“Today may change tomorrow but once today is gone, tomorrow can only look back in sorrow that the warning was ignored.”*

*Portion of the closing narration from episode 141 of the original Twilight Zone Anthology, “Spur of the Moment.”


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musicman44mag

Maybe a little off topic. I read on fake news today, MSN that there is a legislature in Arizona trying to pass a bill to make it illegal to record police when they are taking and action.
So they can record you, if they want, and we can’t record them? Very gestapo sounding to me.

Thank you for the down vote on something that makes total sense. It shows that you have read what I wrote. I don’t care if you vote down or not. The main thing is that you got the message.

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john
john

It is settled the American truck drivers are going to launch 2/23 from Adelanto Cal heads towards the East Coast Godspeed

john

American Truckers are launching The People’s Convoy, a peaceful and unified transcontinental movement, on February 23 from Adelanto Stadium in Southern California ADELANTO, Calif., (Feb. 20, 2022) American truckers are launching The People’s Convoy, a peaceful and unified transcontinental movement, on Wednesday, February 23, 2022, from the Adelanto Stadium in Southern California. Starting at 10:00 a.m., hundreds of truckers will hear words of encouragement and blessings from a group of speakers including FLCCC President Dr. Pierre Kory and Godspeak Church Pastor Rob McCoy. The truckers and blue-collar workers of the United States will be joined by freedom-loving supporters from all… Read more »

john

Not to be the voice of doom A little example of how young folks deal with something as simple a lunch. A young girl this is a true statement ordered lunch to be delivered at work from Zaxby’s using Doordash she spent 31.50 for a soda and chicken tenders and fries. That is half her part time wages for that day. She charged it to a credit card which if I am correct she will only make a payment not pay off the card. How much did lunch cost this girl the truth she did not care she was hungry… Read more »

Wild Bill

A fool and their money are soon parted.

john

   The gap will grow larger between segments of society our laws that bind us are changing. The constitution our bill of rights will have little or no meaning as globalization takes hold.      In eight years the future will arrive if your are not sustainable than you will be “unnecessary Though the concept of “stakeholder capitalism” has been around for a half-century, it has only recently begun to gain traction against the prevailing shareholder-primacy model of profit maximization. Now, advocates of a more socially conscious economic system must take steps to ensure that their vision takes hold for the long term.… Read more »

Wild Bill

Quietly sell out while prices are high. Move to the country. Corporations have standing in court equal to human beings … that must change!

john

Money it means little as it is the control you can never have enough Biden wants Americans to report every transaction over $ six hundred dollars. We will see if that flies in the next 3 years.

Wild Bill

That is what Biden’s marxist handlers want. We need to ask ourselves how can I continue to participate in the economy and avoid doing what the marxists want? There are many techniques, especially out here in the country.

john

Resistance is popular and sends a message and has consequences it is what you can live with doing and willing to pay the price. I now live in small town america it really is no different as I chose who I associate with. Less traffic more politics as the good old boys club swings the hammer. Love them swamps

Wild Bill

Rise in the hierarchy!!!

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john

“Sustainability” Our government and the world is changing there is a plan. Those of us who discusses the writings of others here voice our concerns are not “sustainable”. The pace that the world is changing is faster then our government or any government can keep up with. “Capitalism Sustainability” if you are not investing in the future than you are no longer “Sustainable” Our discussions seem to rely on the Constitution the Bill Of Rights Both documents represent the past. Live in the past and you will be left behind. Sustainability”   There’s a long and complex journey ahead. That’s why we will… Read more »

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Wild Bill

True, you can not be poor and expect to keep up or have a voice in government. But there are other ways to make money and make our voice heard.

john

Yes I work 2 jobs pay my bills I try to be the best human being I can !! I am flawed like everyone else Money is the necessary evil that drives our society. This will change soon as the smartphone will replace cash as it is doing in other countries. Money will become electronic each day this takes hold a little bit more and more
The I got paid two days early commercial I guess those folks do not care about the vig. Sorry the % the bank takes out for that privilege

Wild Bill

That is good and honorable. You are selling your labor. It would be beneficial to move into the group of workers that sell their knowledge.
Get away from banks and bank fees. Banks take advantage of customers. I get .02 percent from the bank on my savings. I make fourteen percent in the stock market and about seven percent from dividend stocks.

john

I work hard trading protein for 3 big private companies 37 years working for them. Today is as hard as the first day I started working in the warehouse now each new day brings challenges working in a office is the same you can never forget where you started. I like work it is good for me I like fishing and hunting more to much of anything is no good.
I would like more fishing these days.

Chuck

Will I let them take my guns? No.
I’m older, in rapidly declining health due to a disease process that’s unstoppable. I’m in constant pain, and my mobility restricts more by the day. My final days will be pain wracked, protracted, and miserable in the extreme. A hail of bullets offers a cleaner death. Therefore, come for my guns, but you better bring extra Body Bags, because you’ll need them.

Country Boy

I stand with Patrick.

“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government – lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.”
― Patrick Henry

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
― Patrick Henry

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hoss

When, and not if the SHTF I will just about guaranty the UN will be patrolling our streets. I truly believe God is punishing this country for allowing same sex marriage, Abortion, trying to make transvestites a normal thing, and indoctrinating the children in their godless hedonism. If this crap is normal, then why do they try, and force it? People teach your children about God, and tell them to resist the CRBs. Teach them to shoot,how to use a knife, and that any thing can be used as a weapon. Did ya/all ever stop to think, why the Lord… Read more »

Wild Bill

Amen, brother. We have to get control of the National Command Authority, first or we will be slaughtered.

john

Wild Bill Please reach out and learn Black Rock NY NY we have already been slaughtered https://www.blackrock.com/corporate

john

I hope the likes of nancy pelosi disappear from the political scene as those old politicians have sold out our way of life.

Wild Bill

Ok, I hear you, … but hoping is not a plan. Oh, by the way did you know that Nancy and her husband had a sixty-nine percent return on their investments last year? Blackrock or any other investor on the planet did that well!

GomeznSA

hoss – ya nailed it – ‘good’ (or even tolerable) ideas do not need to be forced on free people – those ideas will be self evident and not need brute force to obtain compliance. Even a marginal student of history realizes that tyrants ALWAYS use force to compel such compliance.

Mustangalpha6

Thank God there are others who think what I think!! You said it all hoss!!

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CourageousLion

The first thing the writer needs to do is to get the thought of it being “my” government out of his mind. OUR government is the US Constitution and the “law written on our hearts” which is the common law that traces its’ existence back to English common law which is the law that there is no excuse for violating. That law is the law against aggression. The non aggression principle. Where there is no VICTIM there is no crime. Government fuctionaries, that is those who swear to uphold and defend the Constitution are the ones who violate their oaths.… Read more »

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Tank

It also proves that Ammoland is trolled & shilled regularly with downvotes any opinion that doesn’t fit they’re agenda or paradigm. It additionally further demonstrates how rigged & con-TROLL-ed the system is. I can’t think of one item the Conspiracy Theorist’s have been wrong about. Not one. To add there is even more warfare items being that DARPA/NASA use on populaces including US/Canada/UK/Aus/NZ/FrNce that many people still aren’t processing in their BHG’s (Brain House Group) Wheel House. The real OPTICS are far, far, far bigger than most people realize & are even consciously aware of. Let that sink in. BTW… Read more »

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musicman44mag

The noose is tightening around the world. Anyone can see it happening if they watch our news and watch news from other countries. The war for freedom is all around us. Look at Canada as an example of what happens if you fight to keep your freedom of choice if it doesn’t match what the government wants. The dictator in Canada is in charge and control and there is no negotiation. Do as I say or you will be charged. You do not control your own body, the government does. France on the other hand is clearer about how you… Read more »

Wild Bill

I thought that everyone knew about Blackrock already. World’s largest money manager. They compete against all the other money managers, day traders, and investors. They are slow and cumbersome. we are nimble. Nancy Pelosi kicked ass against them (and against everyone else) this past year, but she had inside information.

swmft
john

Not everyone maybe you they are the engine that drives The Great Reset The face of the machine political parties now fear them as Black Rock can make them or break them. The issues at hand is their future is in the making not the average Americans who still believes in a 2 Chevys and a 40 hr work week. Amazon is their platform to control retail sales Lets Go Green stay home/

Wild Bill

Investment drives the future. Blackrock has many competitors. I am one of them, in a small way. There are hundreds of millions of small investors that are competing with Blackrock, other investment groups, and each other.

If you are scared of Blackrock open an account with them. Or open an account with another money manager. Or invest yourself. Individual investors are nimble, big investment firms are not.

You should know in advance that investing is gut wrenchingly risky … and amazingly lucrative.

musicman44mag

Funny, I had heard of Vangard but never Black Rock. I knew that things are twisted but didn’t know who the players are or how it worked. Thanks for the link. I appreciate any info that might tell me what is happening and how in today’s America.

Tank

What we do get to see & witness in real time is how the PTB ruling Ponerology Masonic Zionist structure & system function. We get to witness – see the trolls & shills on Ammoland every time someone writes truth & exposes them. That’s a positive outcome & only wakes more up, albeit frustratingly slow for those who already see it & know it. We have already seen the shame of democracy with the China made Dominion voting machines. I’d call that a clue. We got to see the plandemic scamdemic fraudulent PCR DNA collection system & how it works… Read more »

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JSNMGC

The article states: “I WILL NOT COMPLY”

I wonder what Stephen Dandrilli would have done when he worked for the NYPD and he saw a businessperson on the subway with a handgun and he asked the person for his permit and the businessperson replied “I don’t comply with the firearm laws of NYC.”

“Stephen is a decorated veteran police officer of the New York City Police Department.”

http://arbalestquarrel.com/about-us/bio-stephen-dandrilli/

john

Steve was a decorated police officer he placed his life on the line daily as do all law abiding officers I am sure if the business person did not have valid permit he would get arrested If you do not comply with the law than you are going to find yourself in a court of law first you will find yourself in a cage.
You should have asked what if Steve or any other police officer would do if confronted by a felon with a illegal gun on the subway. That is Life and death
Take the train.

JSNMGC

You don’t see the hypocrisy of Arbalest Quarrel stating “I WILL NOT COMPLY” in their article when their President would have arrested someone for not complying?

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CourageousLion

That is their president? Nothing like double think. He should be proud.

JSNMGC
john

Your Rights and the PoliceWhat you say to the police is important. What you say can be used against you and can give the police an excuse to arrest you, especially if you speak disrespectfully to an officer. Remember to remain calm and be polite. Do not lie or give false documents.  You do not have to answer a police officer’s questions, but you must show your driver’s license, registration, and proof of insurance when stopped while driving a car. You cannot be legally arrested for refusing to identity yourself to a police officer (unless you are charged with loitering or prowling). You do… Read more »

JSNMGC

Interesting deflection.

john
Wild Bill

With all due respect, what is an illegal gun?

swmft

one that crosses boarder without a visa
LOL

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CourageousLion

That’s easy. Whatever gun a psychopathic control freak politicians says. So I guess “short barrel rifles”, “short barrel shotguns”, “Machine guns” and “any other weapon”.

john

One in the hands of a convicted felon Agreed yes the gun is a object Mr Bill

swmft

you donot see the violation of the constitution as a crime? read title 18 I know it is never enforced but when the government is a criminal gang. you are familiar with The Columbian Order? there have been political machines that were criminal enterprises from early on many cities still suffer under rules set up that violate the constitution / and if you dont have the money to take it to court does not matter if you are right wont change. and even with court wins they look for new ways to keep their rules ny follow helller?

CourageousLion

Talk about cognitive dissonance. And you see NO contradiction in your way of thinking? You have been brain dirtied. What makes that person a “felon”? Some psychopathic control freaks edict? Mind if I puke in your lap? People like you make me ill.

john

Committing a felony makes you a felon what’s so had about that. If you despise law and order move to China they will teach you the difference of guilty without a fair trial. They also will not label you just lock you away and that maybe a good thing for you. As people like me believe in do the crime do the time.

JSNMGC

Is there any conceivable law you believe should not be enforced, for example:

  • Registration of semiautomatic rifles?
  • Banning of semiautomatic rifles?
  • Sending unvaxed people to COVID camps?
  • Sending capitalists to re-education camps?
  • Banning of garages over 1,200 square feet?
JSNMGC
john

I believe going forward all the discussions here will be meaningless. There are global issues in play the key word, “Sustainability” The key player Black Rock they own the world.
https://www.blackrock.com/corporate

Wild Bill

Open an account with them and they will be working for you.

john

Please send me a check a advance I will return that when it grows Thank you for the loan is this not the American way use some else’s money to make money
I do not mean to be rude Mr Wild

Wild Bill

My money is all put to work making more money, sorry. Open an account with one of the brokerages, fund that account as you are able, study what to buy, when there is a panicky down turn … strike like lightening!

LTC not Mr.

JSNMGC

john,

Those who support the enforcement of unconscionable laws, like you have done here, avoid the above question. I’ll repeat it:

Is there any conceivable law you believe should not be enforced, for example:

  • Registration of semiautomatic rifles?
  • Banning of semiautomatic rifles?
  • Sending unvaxed people to COVID camps?
  • Sending capitalists to re-education camps?
  • Banning of garages over 1,200 square feet?

Do you agree with Solzhenitsyn’s regrets?

john

What you have outlined above has not happened in every state regarding guns. I have not a witness to any camps here in the United States. If that day does come I will not go quietly into the night.

JSNMGC

Previously owned semiautomatic rifles (with certain characteristics) must be registered in numerous jurisdictions.

Purchases of semiautomatic rifles (with certain characteristics) are banned in numerous jurisdictions.

Do you support police who enforce those laws?

You support (and thank) the police who enforce the requirement for carry permits (which are seldom issued) in NYC.

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JSNMGC

Response on hold.

You support (and thank) the NYPD for enforcing the requiremment for carry permits (that are rarely issued).

Country Boy

Too many “laws” that are unconstitutional, yet you’re a “felon” if you break them. I guess when they come for your guns and lock you up if you do not comply, because they’ve deemed you a “felon” because they passed a “law” that aborted the 2nd A. At some point the dems will pass a law to make it illegal to be a Conservative. DOn’t believe it? Watch the news. When tyrants are in charge they ignore the Constitution. Wake up and realize your rights have been and still are being stripped from you and all of us,. Most of… Read more »

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john

“Sustainability” Our government and the world is changing there is a plan. Those of us who discusses the writings of others here voice our concerns are not “sustainable”. The pace that the world is changing is faster then our government or any government can keep up with. “Capitalism Sustainability” if you are not investing in the future than you are no longer “Sustainable” Our discussions seem to rely on the Constitution the Bill Of Rights Both documents represent the past. Live in the past and you will be left behind. Sustainability”   There’s a long and complex journey ahead. That’s why… Read more »

Wild Bill

It is the remaining a felon after one has paid their debts to society so they one can never own a gun again is what is so bad. It is a life sentence that the court never intended; it imposes on state law; and goes beyond the federal sentencing guidelines.
Remaining in the category of “felon” for life is a concept that was hidden in plane view with the Gun Control Act of 1968.

john

Okay the state has the right enact laws within it borders I have a right to ask that felons that have committed violent acts of hate never have access to a gun. Each person felony maybe should be reviewed than judgement ruled. You do not want a baby murder owning a gun than most criminals do not follow the law. So what are we discussing

Wild Bill

No, the fed. government and state governments do not have the Right to enact laws. They have powers and authorities that are limited by the Constitution and BOR.

You have a Right under the First Amendment if that is what you mean.

Any murder, even a baby murder, who has paid his debt to society, gets a clean slate not a life sentence.

We can not pick a result that we want and make rules to get there. That is not how Constitutionally limited republics work. We must work within the frame work of the Constitution.

Stag

“Committing a felony makes you a felon what’s so had about that. If you despise law and order move to China they will teach you the difference of guilty without a fair trial. They also will not label you just lock you away and that maybe a good thing for you. As people like me believe in do the crime do the time.” Isn’t it funny that statists always want people who advocate for more freedom and liberty than they do to move to another country with less freedom? He should say what he really means. Do what the government… Read more »

Tank

Lots of people make CHOICES to accept employment at a life risking job. Firefighters, Military, Security Guards (armed & unarmed) Chemical Plant workers, Correction Officers, Coal Miners, Pilots, Train conductors heck even Taxi/Uber drivers
et alia.

I’ve helped LEO’s several times & saved their lives. None of them are sending me Christmas cards pal. Not to mention other times helped disabled, mentally challenged who have fallen or lost it.

Stop with the pity party.

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JSNMGC

Loggers
Roofers
Garbage collectors
Fishermen

john

Why so bitter not everybody is you I pity no one sir

CourageousLion

He would have violated his oath of office and arrested the person exercising his rights. Just like every other cop would do. With a VERY rare exception and of course the exception would be ousted from the department.

JSNMGC

People who disagree could go to NYC, Chicago, LA, Washington D.C., Austin, Detroit, etc., etc., and do an experiment. I wouldn’t advise it, because they will have a lot of panicky enforcers (many with poor firearm handling skills) pointing firearms at them and screaming conflicting “commands:” “Freeze, don’t move!” “Put your hands up!” If the person “freezes,” he may get “lit up” by the guy who ordered him to put his hands up. If he puts his hands up, he may get “lit up” by the guy who ordered him to “freeze.” If he doesn’t get “lit up,” he may… Read more »

Farmer

We need to execute an article 5 Convention of States.

Wild Bill

Respectfully, do you trust any politicians today to maintain our BOR, if they had a chance to get rid of it?

CourageousLion

Nope. They ignore it now, so why not just get rid of it?

Tionico

What, and provide an esy pathway for those who hate liberty and us to toss our Bill of Rights entirely? There is NO cap or limit to the agenda that can be put forth in a CoS. It would be like the day after KristallNacht. Toss the Constitution and mke a new set of rules. Nope, The means are tere to bring lawbreakers/oathbreakers to heel. It is just not being done.. yet. There is one consolatioin about the scenario put forth in the above piece. those bight blue brain buckets are SURE easy to see, even from a long ways… Read more »

warfinge

At some point soon, we are going to be pressed to decide how important the Constitution and the Republic is. The more we comply at this end, the tougher it will be to resist at the other.

Wild Bill

We must get control of the National Command Authority first, or we will be fighting our own military. If we get control, first, then the libtards can fight against our own military … and maybe we all can assist.

swmft

why do you think obummer got rid of generals he did?

Tionico

and the kinyun’s Second at the time is now NUmbah Wan, and is working hard at “finishing the job” the kinyun started.

MP71

Exactly, and why did SecDef Austin institute wokeness and CRT upon assuming office? Why did he go along with President Grandpa’s jab mandate?
What a perfect way to get those who WILL NIT COMPLY to leave voluntarily. The savings on retirement payouts is icing on the cake.

CourageousLion

Just like in every other country in the world. But hey, they couldn’t beat a bunch of goat f**k**s in 20 years so good luck with that!

Wild Bill

Civilian control of the military ham strung us.

GmanNM

One of the big problems in America is the concept that the badge carrying non-civilians have the privilege to 1) beat the livin’ [email protected] out of somebody at protests by citizens, 2) empty their magazine into someone after busting their door down in the middle of the night because one of the occupants in the apt held a gun, 3) dump 5 or 10 rounds into an unarmed person’s back while they are walking away and posing no immediate threat to anyone because they would not listen and stop walking away, 4) shoot an unarmed man crawling in a hallway… Read more »

swmft

most police are bad. the worse ones are the ones that stand around and watch these crimes committed by their buddies and do nothing

john

Really where do you get your information from ? To pool any one group of people into negative shows a lack of intelligence. There are good people and bad people and a lot of questionable people in between.
The human race is not perfect and never will be

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swmft

I worked for dea and saw the worst from inside , I say most police are bad because they wont stop the bad ones, there are some good. we had an fhp trooper that the police attacked because she was doing her job, protecting the public you take an oath and betray it by doing nothing you are worse than the criminal beating the homeless person. it is to the point where police will need to have over site board that cant be over ruled ,they say you are out you are gone. Policing is done in one of three… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Interesting. What was your job code at sea?

Wild Bill

Damn spell check. that last word should be dea.

musicman44mag

The ones that try and stop the bad ones wind up dead.

Tionico

sorta like Arkancided?

CourageousLion

ALL police departments and sheriff departments need INDEPENDENT civilian review boards to be able to oversee the actions of the officers. If they violate their oaths of office, OUT and no way to get back in another venue. CRIMINALS shouldn’t be cops. Most cops are CRIMINALS because they violate the rights of people on a daily basis and think it is ok to do so because yes, they have “qualified immunity”. What hog wash.

CourageousLion

Lack of intelligence? Shows you’re not using reason, logic and common sense. Read my post and WTFU.

Country Boy

I’ve had personal ‘first hand” experiences with Plioce, Sheriffs, and once, the ATF DEA FBI SBI all at one time. my crime? There was none, but I sat handcuffed while they stole shit out of the house. All of which was more than legal to own. Like the whole side of Alan Kulwicki’s Hooters NASCAR car, my cow’s skull (given to me) and a number of other items I’ve never seen again since 1997. No they never called to return any of it. Crooks doesn’t even begin to describe them IMO.

CourageousLion

MOST?

swmft

battle of Athens is coming around again , and the police will think that they are the victims ,you cant keep committing crimes against people and expect it not to bounce back.there will be large numbers fired some arrested and we all know what they will say “just following orders” guess that is what should be on their grave stone, and over entrance to jail . If you have a moral twang then what you were told to do is wrong,call in sick wait you must have a conscience to feal guilt , I think that may be one of… Read more »

Wild Bill

Yes, and stop pointing their firearms at people before those people exhibit deadly force.

CourageousLion

War of the Flea will be visited on them.

Monkey Mouse

That is why vigilantes are needed – and not just for taking care of criminals.

Country Boy

May I add Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas Branch Davidians?

john

First and Foremost Labels are not needed here on which department or branch of government is willing to remove the rights of Americans who enjoy the freedom of choice. It is other Americans our own country men and women. Those programed by the deep states socialist agenda will support a small % of folks that are fractured in society buy those in the deep state. Example, The agenda affirmative action has left those it was intended to help dependent on the government. The American government is under construction it has been slowly poisoned since Obama took office. Democrats want bigger… Read more »

swmft

affirmative action did as intended it destroyed black families., welfare giving money for each kid without a father . this was never meant to build communities, it was done to destroy them

john

That was not the intent openly It was intended to have the black race continue to vote democrat. While washington’s promises were never kept it pushed families onto the welfare rolls. Another program to redistribute the taxes collected from the working class white American families to earn the black vote. Today most have not woken “not a “woke” moment” to the fact that the democrats have been openly hurting black families not allowing them succeed in America.

JSNMGC

“Another program to redistribute the taxes collected from the working class” By “working class,” many people mean those “in the middle” – that is, those in the 40-60th percentile of earners. Those aren’t the people whose wealth is being redistributed. The top 10% of earners pay over 70% of federal income taxes. The information is widely available – why don’t you go look at it? There are harpies who wear Moms Demand Action T-shirts who just don’t believe it when they are told that AR15s are not “fully automatic, baby-killing machine guns that shoot 100 round magazine clips in a… Read more »

swmft

and the top 1% pay almost nothing, so the not rich enough are attacked to keep them from climbing up

JSNMGC

The top 1% pay over 35% of federal income taxes.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-1-pay-37-of-federal-income-taxes/

musicman44mag

Yep.

JSNMGC

“Yep.” ~ musicman44mag

Nope.

Moms Demand Action “feel” that AR15s are “fully automatic, baby-killing machine guns that shoot 100 round magazine clips in a half second and are more powerful than hunting rifles” and you feel that the top 1% pay almost nothing in income taxes.

musicman44mag

Regardless of how anyone feels about how taxes are taken and distributed. If you have enough money to sway politics, buy politicians and pay people to organize groups to sway things to meet your political greedy objective or burn, destroy, and kill, then you are too rich and you need to pay more.

Money is power and some people go crazy with power. Alec Baldwin is one of our best current examples right now along with obiden extending a naitional emergency for covid when covid is breaking down and scientists have proven it.

JSNMGC

Your view on taxes is the cornerstone of socialism and the reason for socialism is communism.

“From each according to ability; To each according to need”

You never responded regarding who you thought I was referencing in the comment section of this article:

https://www.ammoland.com/2022/02/armed-citizens-aided-wounded-lawmen-as-lawmakers-push-gun-control/#axzz7LXv6bZWx

musicman44mag

Take from the rich so they aren’t so powerful if they show they are terrorists and tyrants and try to make void our constitution.

The rich are in control of everything in our country and they make sure it stays that way. Their money means power and they use their power for evil deeds and evil must be destroyed for the good of all.

JSNMGC

How much do you want “the rich” to be allowed to have after you have government employees take more from them?

How much makes someone “rich?”

How do you reconcile your support for increased taxation of “the rich” with your stated dislike of socialism/communism?

Class warfare is the foot in the door for socialists/communists.

Is Trump “rich?”

musicman44mag

Neither of us are going to change our minds so there is no need for debate. You get so lost on the money and taxes being evil that you are not open to a different point of view. You, and you alone, changed my attitude towards a flat tax system that I felt would be fair, 9,9,9. So rather than accomplishing your goal of making me think like you, which at one time I did, I changed my mind because of what is happening to me and by whom. The point is evil and what is done with the money.… Read more »

JSNMGC

I have a view on taxes, the size of government, and the role of government.

I believe taxes should be lower, government should be smaller, and government should significantly reduce its role in wealth redistribution.

I’m not lost – I just don’t agree with a massive government, numerous forms of wealth redistribution, and high taxes.

You, and you alone, are responsible for your views on taxes.

Here are the current federal income tax tables. Would you like changes to be made?

https://taxfoundation.org/2022-tax-brackets/

musicman44mag

Other than taxes, our view is the same. Government is too dam big and powerful over the people. It was by and for the people not for the people to serve and that is what it has turned into. How government wastes our tax dollars is an issue with me too. If they spent smart money, then we could tax less and less government would be a good start just as you have stated in the past. Look I want to move and buy or build a home. Wyoming is a great prospect when it comes to doing that. Montana… Read more »

JSNMGC

I hope you have a long, healthy, happy life and you find somewhere you like outside of Wyoming. A famous slovenly pig born in Germany had views on sociology and economics that were based on his totalitarian view that there was something unjust about “the rich:” https://www.history.com/topics/germany/karl-marx We have enough people who want to implement an income tax on “the rich” and implement some type of socialized medicine. We can’t afford the government we have in WY and we certainly can’t afford socialized medicine. The answer to a minority (mostly democrats) is to implement an income tax that “will only… Read more »

musicman44mag

LOL, I guess you forgot you already gave the factors required in order to be welcome in Wyoming and I met the criteria and as I stated then in true demonrat fashion you moved the goal post for qualifications, and we got on the taxing the rich kick you always push. So,hi neighbor!!!!! You better push for more fees for building a home if you don’t want me to move in. If I hit the lottery, I will join you in jackson hole, how about that. I don’t think there is something unjust about the rich, I just see what… Read more »

JSNMGC

Supporting the existing government and implementing socialized medicine are not compatible with no new taxes in WY. I didn’t move the goal posts, you indicated you are in favor of taxing “the rich.”

Also, you will find my garage offensive.

South Dakota is nice – they have more Walmarts (I belive you stated once that having a Walmart nearby was important).

musicman44mag

I no longer want or think we should have socialized medicine because I don’t trust my government to make it worse. If you have a big garage, good for you, I don’t care about your garage, Some people deserve to be lucky, some don’t depending on how they get it or what they do with it. You did change the requirements, evidently you are forgetful. I said what I said about taxing the rich to get your ire but the more I think about it and the more I see I am really starting to think taxing the rich more… Read more »

JSNMGC

“lucky?” I said no new taxes – you started talking about taxing “the rich” and you didn’t respond about terminating government employees (like DMV and health department). We can’t have our cake and eat it too – we need to cut, but some people want to tax instead. We have too many government employees. Many are in unnecessary roles and some of the functions that are necessary are overstaffed and some of the people are lazy and not interested in being efficient. You didn’t “get my ire” – I enjoy discussing why socialism is bad and pointing out how it… Read more »

musicman44mag

No, your new re qualifying factor for me to live in Wyoming was regarding taxes the other gentleman didn’t have to meet.

It’s ok I need to quit now because I have more to life then this damn computer and I need to go back to building an amplifier I have been working on for a couple of weeks.

73s

JSNMGC

No new taxes was in the original request.

A state income tax on income over a certain amount is a new tax (even if it initially only affects the upper 10% of earners).

Have a good afternoon.

Stag

“If you have enough money to sway politics, buy politicians and pay people to organize groups to sway things to meet your political greedy objective or burn, destroy, and kill, then you are too rich and you need to pay more.”

Imagine seeing the government we have today and thinking it needs more money.

Last edited 2 months ago by Stag
swmft

better idea a tax paid only by people who want tax implemented on someone else they want to serve crow let them eat it

Wild Bill

Please don’t be a socialist. Making money is easy. Is there some way to contact you privately?

musicman44mag

I don’t believe I am. I have voted for my gun in elections for so many years I can’t count. I told people way back then that one day it would be a major factor in voting, and it might become the main point only to have others argue. I still get that same argument today in my family but hey, they voted for obummer the first time only so they claim. With our freedom being the issue at hand today more than anything else, guns come into play and more are starting to see the light. I am far… Read more »

Wild Bill

Ok, well … sorry to hear about that family voting for Oblabla, thing.

musicman44mag

You know its funny. repubs and demonrats have a totally different view of the world and it is amazing how many different ways it shows. Myself I think demonrats have no common sense and don’t use any logic in making decisions. They feel that I am stupid and paranoid. I point out what is happening with guns and they say they will never take them and that it always changes with who is in office and that will bounce back and forth because there will never always be one of the two in office. I ask with all that is… Read more »

Stag

“I am far from a socialist or commie and if peoples view about taxes being graduated like they are is commie so be it.”

Literally the second of the 10 Planks to bring about communism in the Communist Manifesto is a heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Wild Bill

True, but Congress can not tax the poor because they don’t have money. If Congress taxes the working class, then the middle class becomes poor. That only leaves the wealthy class to tax because they have it.

The first step should be reducing the size of government. Second, stop doing what the government is not authorized by the Constitution to do. Third, out law lobbyists that work for big business to distort tax laws. Fourth, take away Congress’s power to give themselves a raise and to invest in the securities markets. Institutie term limits, etc.

JSNMGC

“If Congress taxes the working class, then the middle class becomes poor.” No. Flattening the tax rates would not make the middle-class poor – it would make them aware. As has been shown here many, many times, there are those in the “working class,” as you put it, who believe they are paying the bulk of the taxes (when they are not) and they believe the upper 10% of earners are not paying the bulk of the taxes (when they are). Many people (including a republican who comments here) wants to increase the tax rates on the people who are… Read more »

musicman44mag

I read that because someone here provided the link. If you need more where are you going to get it from. You cant get something where nothing or less than you need exists.

People all chiming in and voting down my comments because I am for a graduated tax but no one says how to solve the problem that will actually be done. JSN has a good idea but try and get the government to make itself smaller, try and take their retirement packages away or the coverages. Try any of that with demonrats in charge. LOL, aint happening.

Stag

That’s like giving your kid a credit card and then being mad when they max it out and instead of taking the card away you increase their credit limit. You want to give a government who has proven it can’t manage money, or effectively run even the most basic of services, even more money. That’s some serious mental gymnastics. Government will never make itself smaller. Not even with Republicans in charge.

musicman44mag

No arugement from me but how do you fix it. How do we make government smaller when the demonrat answer to all problems are 1 throw more money at it 2 make an agency to implement it. Give my donator’s jobs. 3.Make another agency to monitor and control the new agency and make sure they are doing it right. Give my donators more jobs. Then have an existing agency review and observe or investigate it to make sure the agency that is supposed to make sure it is being done right is doing it right right. It’s a vicious continuing… Read more »

Wild Bill

Don’t vote democrat, comes to mind. Don’t vote RINO in the primaries, either.
The caucus system is easier. Get to be a delegate for the township to the county convention. That is easy because few show up to the township caucus.
At the county level, you will have to schmooze to get elected to the state convention. So will all the like minded delegate folks that you are going to have to also get elected if you are going to make an impact on the state convention and impact who will be a candidate.

musicman44mag

I strongly agree with the first paragraph. My getting involved with the caucus, if we even have one, would not be a good idea because I can’t handle the schmoozing. That is one of the reasons why I wasn’t a good state employee. I was told by upper echelon what and who I needed to be because they wanted me to succeed but I didn’t want to be a part of something I despise or don’t respect and become someone I refused to be all my life. I probably could have been a famous musician, but I was not willing… Read more »

JSNMGC

Your focus on “demonrats” is misguided. Nothing will change until more people get involved and stop making excuses for why they don’t get involved. Here’s what happened in WY: Tax collections were a surplus over expenditures for some time; People grew the size of government (more government jobs); Tax collections related to the energy industry went down (regulations and pressure from environmental groups closed down operations); Politicians pandered to the majority saying the government could not be reduced and a tax on “the rich” could be implemented that would only affect people making over $200,000 per year. Many people were… Read more »

musicman44mag

I agree, my focus should go beyond demonrats and to all politicians but I consider affecting my freedom the ultimate. Clinton= NAFTA, and blow jobs that embarrASSed our country and his bitch. Oh if your over 65 you are no longer a contributing member to society, so you don’t get that lifesaving surgery. Took away my freedom. Bush= read my lips, I just lied to you and screwed you, I made a mistake. Took my wealth. Bush=2008 we made a mistake that any commoner can see but we got rich so FU. Took my wealth obummer=DACA, UN, Border counts, obummer… Read more »

JSNMGC

Government employees caused a lot of damage in Wyoming. It has taken considerable effort from freedom-loving activists to keep them in check. Even with that pressure, they refuse to make the cuts that are needed, they try to increase taxes, and they refuse to pass meaningful SAPA legislation (due to lobbying from law enforcement who want to retain the power to work with the BATFE to enforce any new federal gun control laws). They did take note of the people who protested the COVID health orders. Regarding your list, one of many more that could be added is the Patriot… Read more »

Wild Bill

I’m thinking that they are not down voting your ideas. It was something about JSN having a good idea. I could be wrong.

JSNMGC

Yes, that’s probably what it is – they are angry about discussion of people who will follow orders to enforce any law and the role that behavior plays in totalitarianism.

They are angry and lash-out.

It’s funny to watch.

Wild Bill

You just don’t get it. You are what is being down voted because you have insulted and chased away so many that when these good people are on the site they down vote you. That is what happens when insults fly.

They did not deserve how you treated them.

JSNMGC

“You just don’t get it. You are what is being down voted because you have insulted and chased away so many that when these good people are on the site they down vote you. That is what happens when insults fly. They did not deserve how you treated them.” ~ Wild Bill You just don’t get it – insults fly freely here. You do it (you did it just above my post). Others do it (in vulgar ways) and you do not criticize them. When I post examples of those insults, they get angry that they are unable to confiscate… Read more »

Wild Bill

First, that was communication, and fairly polite, too. Second, this Ammoland, not Insultland. If you are looking for Insultland, it is not here.

Third, it is not my job to criticize whomever you want criticized. You don’t give out taskers.

You chased away Will, Tex, and most recently Michaelangelo.

It is not the enforcers, and you have to keep writing that to keep from being identified as a problematic person.

Finally, this is a really good day to buy dividend paying stocks and you are keeping me from it. Stew on your own.

JSNMGC

First, that was an insult you wrote – by your definition. However, I don’t care about the insult – I was just pointing out another example of your hypocrisy. Second, you are not Ammoland. Third, you are a hypocrite of epic proportions. Your complaint against me is that I insult. Others insult in a much worse way than I do and when that is pointed out to you, you dodge it. It’s “not your job” to criticize anyone for “insults,” but you do it in a highly selective and dishonest manner. As he told you himself (and I have pointed… Read more »

JSNMGC

Reply on hold.

musicman44mag

Hey Wild Bill, it doesn’t matter because we all have good and stupid ideas and it all depends on the person that is reading it and their opinion which is usually based on perception from their life experience. What is disappointing is that some people always get down voted no matter what. I am constantly going through reading posts and up voting the people that get down votes no matter what they say if I FEEL or AGREE with what they said and find it has value. I also down vote them if I disagree. I don’t go through the… Read more »

Wild Bill

What is the “it” that does not matter?

musicman44mag

down votes.

musicman44mag

To all the board. This just happens to be the last message in the line of a lot of messages Bill, not that I am attacking you.

I think I will never mention down votes again. I will say what I want and think what I want and won’t mention down votes or how people act because it causes such tension on the board and it is a crying shame that what I assume to be adults can act so childish. Down Vote Away.

Wild Bill

You are a good hearted person. I can not agree on this one point, but you are still a good hearted person.

musicman44mag

Thank you. I am glad we can agree to disagree.

Wild Bill

Votes are fast and efficient comments either way. If a vote does not matter, then a paragraphed comment does not matter.

musicman44mag

Here we go. Down voting may be a easy way of showing disagreement but a comment gives a reason for the disagreement and maybe someone else can contribute and minds can be changed or can grow from that. Some things are just obvious, and a vote is all that is needed. Others should have comments. It’s all up to the individual what they deem as important enough to comment on or not.

I will stop there because I am enforcing my statement made earlier. I’ve said my piece.

swmft

it was done with intent to keep control of ,this was george wallace politics and your girl billery was/is a wallace girl

Bigfootbob

John, This is just an addendum to the truth you posted. We’ve been under attack from within since 1828 when Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren founded the dimocRAT party. Even though Van Buren was born in New York State, he spoke Dutch as his first language, and to this day, the Dutch are more socialists than Freedom and Liberty Loving Patriots. It’s in their DNA. IMHO, that is the core issue with all dims, they’re more socialists full of envy and are too lazy and brainwashed to see how messed up they are and have been that way since… Read more »

Wild Bill

You are right about Woodrow Wilson. Ronald Pestritto gives a clear explanation in his book “Woodrow Wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism.

musicman44mag

and we need more victories.

USMC0351Grunt

Veterans hold true to your oaths.

swmft

they attack oath keepers

Arizona

Blatantly violating the 2nd absolves citizens of any obligation to the government, as the contract has been broken. Demanding a citizen disarm is tantamount to war. The government only has that power which citizens choose to allow it. We the People created government to serve us. The Citizen master will not bow to the government servant.

musicman44mag

Arizona, are you here?

AZ Lefty

Aw Snowflakes triggered

Quatermain

The time to cling to your guns is passing, the time to use them is at hand.

Wild Bill

Soon, brother, soon, but not quite yet.

JSNMGC

“Government” again.

It’s not “government” beating people and stomping on their rights. It’s police.

Just like many in the RCMP, a certain percentage of state/county/city/town enforcers in the U.S. will enforce any new gun laws (the NYPD is a good example).

“RCMP Musical Ride member, Andrew Nixon sends a picture of a pint of beer hoping for his chance to abuse protesters:

‘Don’t kick all of them out until next weeks group gets our turn’”

https://www.rebelnews.com/leaked_rcmp_messages_time_for_the_protesters_to_hear_our_jackboots_on_the_ground

That’s real funny, Andrew, right up until it isn’t. Have you ever thought about that?

swmft

he is correct and police are stealing under color of law civil forfeiture IS theft , and is taking of property without due process violation of constitution and title 18