Gun Control Nearly Wiped Out My People

By Alex Madajian

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USA – -(Ammoland.com)- How many people would be free and alive today were it not for the legacy of gun control?

Conversations about gun control tend to deal with abstract future forecasts. It’s good pro-gun advocates are concerned about personal freedom, burdensome regulations, or punitive punishments, but…

It’s important to remember that millions of real people and their descendants would be alive today were it not for gun control paving the way for tyrannical regimes.

We often forget the human cost behind those statistics. I will never forget because entire branches of my family were wiped out due to gun control.

Both sides of my family are Armenian – which is an ethnic group from the Caucasus mountains who have lived there for over three thousand years. However, for about the last 600 years, they have lived under the shadow of the Turks. In the time of the Ottoman Empire, they treated my ancestors as second-class citizens – forcing them to pay special taxes and endure cruel humiliations. This discrimination, fostered for hundreds of years, helped paved the way for the event known as the Armenian Genocide.

But because it was a genocide, it was more than random killings or acts of terror. This was state-orchestrated through laws enacted by the government.

Although there were many cases of persecution by the state and other ethnic groups, the Armenians had a warrior culture and kept themselves armed with the weapons of the time. They knew danger was always present, and they knew how to fight. However, when the sultan of the Ottoman Empire fell and was replaced with the Young Turk regime, the Armenians were promised freedom and equality. They received neither.

At first, the government created by the Young Turks appeared to be modeled after a secular western democracy. The Armenians embraced their promises, and some even joined their government. During this time, the Ottomans started passing penal codes which created the groundwork for gun control. According to Ottoman code: “Those who, without permission, carry or sell such prohibited cartridges, weapons, gunpowder or explosive substances are also punished with imprisonment…and by taking a fine.” There also are similar regulations on manufacturing and references to gun licensing.

Not discriminatory from the start. They have no mention of Armenians. But once the regulations were on the books, it was not hard to institute them specifically on ethnic minorities. But once such regulations were on the books, it was not hard to institute them specifically on ethnic minorities. The Turks’ process was to round up the Armenians, demand they leave their belongings behind (for them to loot later), and force them to march through the desert to die. All of this was done under the guise of being for their own “safety.” Even though Turkey was in the middle of World War I, the Minister of War – Enver Pasha – signed an order that all Armenian soldiers fighting in the Turkish army be disarmed(1).

Shortly after, a systematic effort began to disarm all Armenians in the empire. According to an official proclamation(2) posted to the village of Trebizond:

Armenians are compelled to obey the government’s decisions. If there be any persons among them who dare to use arms against soldiers or gendarmes, arms will be used against such persons and they shall be “arrested dead.” Likewise, those who refuse to depart, disobeying the government’s decision and hiding themselves here and there, and those persons who hide them in their houses or feed them to help them to hide, will also be sent to Court Martial to be condemned to death… Armenians being prohibited to carry any firearms, they must surrender to the government all kinds of arms, pistols, bombs, and daggers that they have hidden in their houses or out of doors. The government has been informed about the quantity of these arms, and those persons who try to secrete them instead of delivering them up to the government will be very severely punished when the arms are discovered by the government.

Similar edicts were issued throughout Anatolia. Notice how they knew who owned the guns. One would like to assume they did not have a sufficiently advanced bureaucracy to have details on some of the more rural areas back in 1915, but with the small amount of gun control they had on the books, they were able to massacre millions with little or no resistance.

My great-grandfather’s brother, Hagop Madaghjian, details exactly how they enacted such edicts in his village of Tomarza(3):

Every man, having buried his weapon underground, was looking for a way of denial; some who saw their rescue in betrayal began to slander this or that one… In the name of the government, a notice was displayed in all areas demanding that every man surrender his weapon in person; otherwise, they would be condemned to death. Thus, in accordance with the announcement, all weapons, even hunting guns, were surrendered to the government. Yet, the matter was not resolved that way; there were repeated beatings and torture with demands for new weapons.

Virtually every Armenian member of my family’s ancestral village died in the death marches through the desert.

This April 24th will be the 107th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide, in which we will remember how the 1.5 million Armenians, and hundreds of thousands of Greeks, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Maronites, and other Christian minorities were mercilessly murdered by a genocidal regime. This evil was only possible with simple-sounding regulations, often touted today as nothing more than “common-sense solutions.” I’m a proud American citizen, and because I carry this history, I will do everything in my power to make sure this never happens in my adopted country.

We must repeal attempts by the government to regulate our absolute Constitutional right to keep and bear arms, which is explicitly underscored by the fact it “shall not be infringed.” I encourage support for state and federal legislation that allows more private firearm ownership, such as Constitutional Carry or Second Amendment Sanctuary Laws. Right now, the American government has a registry containing nearly a billion records of lawful gun owners. Every name in that registry will be a target if the government decides to turn against them.

As I just explained, the possibility of that happening is never zero. Contact your senators and representatives urging them to cosponsor legislation like Congressman Michael Cloud’s No REGISTRY Rights Act, which will end the American gun registry for good. One would think we would learn from the past and never enable our government to have the same power the Turks had over my family. But chillingly, our government has all the resources as the Turks – and far more.

  1. Zürcher, Erik J., 2002, “Ottoman Labour Battalions in World War I”, in H.-L. Kieser and D. J. Schaller (eds.), Der Völkermord an den Armeniern und die Shoah, Zürich: Chronos Verlag. Page 187.
  2. Rice, Alan; Simkin, Jay; Zelman, Aaron. Lethal Laws, July 1st, 1994. Published by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Page 91
  3.  Madaghjian, Toros. Memories of Tomarza. Translated by Rev. Father Arten Ashjian, Published in 1959 by G. Doniguian Printing, Beirut. Page 168.

Alex Madajian is a Federal Affairs Assistant with Gun Owners of America and is based in Washington DC. You can follow him on Twitter @alexmadajian.

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Rico1957

Thank you sir for sharing such a horrific tale a similar thing happened in Cuba Cautionary Tale Having been born in Cuba in 1957 I know firsthand how they could go about firearm confiscation without knocking on doors. See My father was the 2nd Cuban to graduate from the USNA class of 46. So, he had several weapons on the ranch in Cuba. When Castro began his push to become the president. His platform was one of “draining the Swamp of crooked politicians, Change the system, and raising up the poor people though social services. (all of this sound familiar?) .Back on… Read more »

Russn8r

Thanks. I’ve been to Cuba. Sad.

Criminal police-state Castro types run the ATFBI now, so it’s critical we stop doing gvt conducted “background” checks, which are effectively gun owner registration.

Too many are confident that criminal police-state gun grabbers don’t keep all the gun buyer names they see despite ATFBI agents never being held accountable for crimes against the Constitution.

Too many think gun registration is bad, but gun owner registration is nothing to worry about. But a list of gun owners in tyrant hands is as dangerous as a list of guns.

Vigilant citizen

Gun registration is how tyrants come to have lists of gun owners, at least in Cuba — and then confiscating them or worse. See the book I recommended to Rico1957 above.

Russn8r

True, and a tyrant will assume that anyone who ever purchased or is known to have owned a gun, whether he later claims it was sold or stolen, is still a gun owner and a threat to tyranny.

Wild Bill

Welcome to the site.

Vigilant citizen

Excellent reply/comment Rico 1957 about Cuba’s similar horrific history since 1959. You might be interested in the book Cuba in Revolution —Escape from a Lost Paradise by Dr. Miguel Faria to hear more about his and your own episode from someone whose family participated in the underground insurrection against Batista and came to regret it!

Wild Bill

Welcome to the site! Interesting account. Looking forward to more!

Autsin Miller III

Thank you sir. A powerful reminder of what we have at risk and what our responsibility to our family, our country and the future is.

TNJEWBOY

Alex. Thank you for referring to my late friend Aaron Zellman ‘s book, “Lethal Laws.”

Hell no to gun control.

Wild Bill

I have that book. Is JPFO still up and running?

Wild Bill

Yes, but it is not for reading like a novel. It compares the Nazi statute, paragraph by paragraph, to the Gun Control Act, so that you can see that Senator Dodd copied the Nazi statute.
It is a reference book worth its weight in gold.
Author Zellman did a terrific job of documentation.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Yes, isn’t it curious that the Anti-liberty left tends to have the same socialist national agenda that is always based in gun confiscation?

BTW, I would note a book at the other end of the registration, confiscation, annihilation sequence that is part and parcel of the Anti-liberty left’s socialist national agenda:

Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland

by Christopher R. Browning https://archive.org/details/ordinarymen00chri

It’s a good reference to have on hand, but I can’t recommend that you read it – it’s very disturbing.

Wild Bill

It sounds disturbing.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

It’s the horror of the holocaust from the point of view of its perpetrators.
You’ll never think of euphemisms like ‘Harvest Festival’ (don’t look it up) the same way ever again.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Remember: Tyrants will never tell you the real reason why they want you disarmed, because they would never be successful in disarming you. They take guns so they are the only ones who have them. They don’t give a rat’s behind about ‘safety’ or ‘the children’, it’s all about power. “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes… Read more »

JSNMGC

“They?”

Russn8r

“This goes for burglars, muggers & rapists, even more so for policemen, bureaucrats & politicians.”

Problem with Smith: Good on direct gun, liberty & property rights, but a typical “Libertarian” for abolishing borders & immigration limits, which indirectly & directly works to destroy the liberty, gun & property rights he claims to support, along with the USA itself. Sadly, Aaron Zelman (RIP) was infected by the ‘Libertarian’ deluge immigration lobby that dominates JPFO today (Gottlieb, Norquist etc).

JSNMGC

I was referring to this sentence:

“They take guns so they are the only ones who have them.”

I was curious who he believes “they” are in that sentence.

Russn8r

IMO, the quote from the book clearly reveals who he thinks they are.

Wild Bill

Remember when you were first taught to read? Go back to the antecedent.

Russn8r

What a snippy little B’ you are, Oathbreaker. Don’t cry, the B’ could mean anything!

BTW, don’t you mean “f’ ed up” antecedent?
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/gun-control-nearly-wiped-out-my-people/#comment-2933055

JSNMGC

Probably, but I don’t know and didn’t want to assume. Politicians and bureaucrats aren’t going to take anyone’s guns. If violent criminals take someone’s gun they can go get another (if they are still alive) and not be in violation of the law. The Patricia Konie scenario is more likely. Three California Highway Patrol employees broke the elderly woman’s shoulder in two places, broke a tooth, and confiscated her old revolver at the very time in her life when she needed it. She neither needed nor wanted their help. To this day, California enforcers virtue signal about how heroic they… Read more »

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Wild Bill

Go back to the antecedent.

JSNMGC

Wild Bill,

Did the original poster believe the tyrants were burglars, muggers, rapists, policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians?

Or, was he referring to just politicians when he wrote “tyrants?”

Or, was he referring to the actual people who will take guns as part of enforcement of a law?

Please tell me what he meant by “tyrants.”

Thank you.

Wild Bill

I suspect that he meant … tyrants. You are welcome.

JSNMGC

You see, you avoided the issue in which you involved yourself once you got tangled up.

Wild Bill

It appears that the issue is your ability to trace back to the antecedent in a perfectly good sentence.

Russn8r

Could you be any prissier…or more boring?

Wild Bill

Unworthy of comment.

Russn8r

Translation: Unable to dispute.

JSNMGC

“It appears that the issue is your ability to trace back to the antecedent in a perfectly good sentence.” ~ Wild Bill

The question has already been explained to you, Wild Bill. Who are the tyrants?

Wild Bill

I have already explained a fundamental principle of pronoun usage to you. Perhaps you should have paid more attention in the second grade. Perhaps a refresher course.

JSNMGC

You involved yourself and now you keep ducking the question. Who are the tyrants? The politicians? The police? Who?

Wild Bill

Read the sentence.

JSNMGC

“Read the sentence.” ~ Wild Bill

You have tried that already.

Wild Bill

So did your second grade reading teacher. Apparently she and I have, both, failed.

JSNMGC

“So did your second grade reading teacher. Apparently she and I have, both, failed.” ~ Wild Bill

You don’t know who he meant by “they” because “they” referred to “tyrants” and he later listed some groups of people but they were not necessarily who he meant by tyrants. That’s why I asked him who he meant by “they.”

It’s ok to say you don’t know, Wild Bill. That is why I asked him.

Wild Bill

I have no problem with his sentence. You, apparently, do have a problem with his sentence. It is ok to say that you have difficulty reading. You can get help for it.

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Wild Bill

He tries to control what the issue is in spite of reality … a typical manipulator. I wonder if he is verbally abused at home?

JSNMGC

“He tries to control what the issue is in spite of reality … a typical manipulator. I wonder if he is verbally abused at home?” ~ Wild Bill

There you go again.

I asked a question – you are the one trying to control.

Wild Bill

Now that is just not true. Anyone can see that I am just trying to help you with your reading.

Russn8r

How boring, prissy & hypocritical.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Now, who is incessantly working to disarm people?
Who incessantly refers to ‘gun safety’?
Can you answer that?

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Thank you.

That was just a matter of reading and comprehending what was written to understand what was set forth.
Why do some around here run into difficulty with that concept?

Wild Bill

It is a perfectly good sentence in a perfectly good comment. I’m thinking that those certain people see themselves as superior. They could be wrong.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Perhaps you should apply the basic precepts of reading comprehension.

What entities were referred to in the previous sentence:

Remember: Tyrants will never tell you the real reason why they want you disarmed, because they would never be successful in disarming you.

Note the key word: Tyrants.

Now, who is incessantly working to disarm people?
Who incessantly refers to ‘gun safety’?

Can you answer that?

JSNMGC

Hey! Thanks for replying.

No need to be cryptic.

If by Tyrants you are referring to anti-firearm rights politicians and the organizations and people who support their agenda, then I disagree that “they” will be taking any guns.

It’s the tools of tyrants who have taken guns and who will take guns.

I realize this makes certain people uncomfortable.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Now, who is incessantly working to disarm people?
Who incessantly refers to ‘gun safety’?
Can you answer that?

JSNMGC

Both the tyrants (as described above) and the tools of tyrants (enforcers) say those things.

I realize this is awkward for certain groups of people to just say it, but, again, it is the tools of tyrants (enforcers) who are the “they” in this statement you wrote:

“They take guns so they are the only ones who have them.”

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Interesting. Now you suddenly switch to a new tact, now that your old one has been rendered moot.

Can you answer these instead of dodging them?
Now, who is incessantly working to disarm people?
Who incessantly refers to ‘gun safety’?
Which political movement is generally referred to in these matters?

JSNMGC

I didn’t switch to a new tact. I did answer your questions. Here you go: Anti-firearm rights politicians and the organizations and people who support their agenda. Many law enforcement organizations also lobby for more gun control and lobby against pro 2nd Amendment legislation. They also use the phrases “gun violence” and “gun safety.” In many areas, state, county, and city/town LEOs enforce gun laws more unconscionable than the laws enforced by the BATFE. There have also been thousands of cases just in the last couple of years of state/county/city/town LEOs cooperating with the BATFE to enforce federal laws. Regarding… Read more »

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

No, you have to answer as to which side does this:

The Anti-liberty left or the Pro-freedom right?

Please be prepared to show your work to the rest of the class.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Okay, so you’re editing your answer so you can pretend that you ‘answered’.

Anti-firearm rights politicians

And who actually uses that label?

and the organizations and people who support their agenda.

Again, you are STILL dodging the question.

Is the nation’s socialist left Anti-liberty? Yes or No?
Please be prepared to show your work to the rest of the class.

Russn8r

I thought your POV was clear due to the quote you chose from the novel. “This goes for burglars, muggers & rapists, even more so for policemen, bureaucrats & politicians.He apparently figured as much but wasn’t sure.

My answer would be: Many Oathbreakers in “Law Enforcement”, elected office & bureaucracies assiduously work to disarm people on pretext of gun safety. Pols don’t literally disarm anyone: Their laws are without effect to the extent enforcers honor oath & moral duty. Pretty sure we agree on that.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Now, who is incessantly working to disarm people?
Who incessantly refers to ‘gun safety’?
Can you answer that?

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Try answering this:
Who starts the oppression process?

Russn8r

Hey Socrates, cut the games. I’m busy. Long as we’re asking questions… Politicians wrote the Nazi Weapons Laws, issued decrees & hired the brass. Does that excuse the LEOs & soldiers who Just Followed Orders, pulled the triggers & ran the gas chambers? The folks who wrote GCA’68 & NFA are long dead. Who’s enforcing it now? Are they exempt from their moral duty & sworn OATH because they didn’t start the process, didn’t write the gun controls and issue the orders they mindlessly OBEY & enforce? When LEOs testify for gun control and against SAPA & Con Carry, are… Read more »

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The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Running away already?
Having trouble answering those questions?
It’s clearly the Anti-liberty left that is tops in the oppression Olympics.
However, you can’t acknowledge that can you?

Liberticidal leftists are the enemy of freedom and basic human rights, isn’t that correct?

Russn8r

You ask Qs but can’t A them can you? 2-way st.

Pols wrote Nazi Weapons Laws, issued decrees & hired the brass. Does that excuse LEOs & soldiers who Just Followed Orders, pulled triggers, ran gas chambers?

Those who wrote GCA are long dead. Who enforces it now? Are LEOs free of moral duty & sworn OATH because they didn’t ‘start the process’, write gun controls & issue orders they OBEY & enforce?

When LEOs testify for gun control & against SAPA & Con Carry do they help ‘start the process’?

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

No, you have to answer them.
Which political side are they?

Russn8r

I have to answer them? LOL. Knew you couldn’t answer a single question. But you have to answer this:

Think those pulling the trigger in this pic are not guilty of murder because they didn’t give the orders?

If so, you didn’t understand what you quoted, or used it in bad faith.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Hahahahaha!!

You said:

You ask Qs but can’t A them can you? 2-way st.

As a way of avoiding answering my question – hoping no one noticed that YOU FAILED again to answer the question!

Then you’re trying to turn in around in your cute little double standards manoeuvre.

Is that supposed to infuriate anyone?  

Russn8r

QED. Any time you want to stop playing games, feel free to stop playing games.

Wild Bill

Quod est demonstrated goes at the end of an equation, not the beginning.

Russn8r

“Quod est demonstrated”? LOL. Pathetic.

Wild Bill

it was that damn spell check, And Quod eat demonstratum still goes at the end.

Russn8r

Quod eat demonstratum? LOL. That’s some serious poseur action there, professor.

Wild Bill

Good thing that I am not a professor of Latin! Apparently, neither is the spell check.
Thus it is demonstrated still goes at the end of the equation.

The left is Anti-liberty NOT anti-gun

Is that your false narrative to save your embarrassment for running away?

I’m merely asking questions – in point of fact, questions on the same issues all along.

Questions that you are dodging.

Now, what precisely are you referring to with your false nomenclature of ‘games’?

What is it about the Anti-liberty left and its predilection for projection?

Russn8r

You’re running away.

You want me to say he who gives an order is worse than he who OBEYS, looks a victim in the eye & pulls the trigger because he’s too cowardly to resist, puts paycheck & career over honor or gets off on it & exploits the cover. Your opinion. Not mine.

That makes me ‘Anti-liberty Left’? What’s it with ‘Libertarians’ & strawmen?

‘Ls’ are worse than leftists. Your immigration policy has ‘redistributed’ & wrecked more wealth & liberty than leftists ever dreamed. You can’t honestly take the pledge of allegiance let alone the oath of office

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Russn8r

More like this, TEX: No one will be disarmed except by OATHBREAKERS who OBEY & get off on it with impunity under ‘qualified’ immunity. Their reasons for disarming good citizens are control, self preservation & thuggery.

JSNMGC

Comply with whom?

Who is going to knock on the door?

Russn8r

Who confiscates guns, TEX? Politicians, or their OATHBREAKER-ENFORCERS?

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JSNMGC

“JSNMGC,nothing in my comment mentioned police knocking on any doors. That’s where you are heading with this right? How’s it going?” ~ .308snipings

That’s true, Will, you wrote about sheep rolling over and complying and law-abiding citizens being disarmed. It’s possible it would be a no-knock enforcement action.

Wild Bill

He is a one trick cop hater.

JSNMGC

Wild Bill,

Try to keep your emotions under control.

We are discussing the disarmament of Americans.

Who is going to do it?

Wild Bill

There was nothing emotional about my response. Reading into a statement is a factually baseless error. It says a lot about you.

JSNMGC

“There was nothing emotional about my response. Reading into a statement is a factually baseless error. It says a lot about you.” ~ Wild Bill

Of course there was, Wild Bill.

You didn’t want to discuss the issue being discussed, so you attributed “hate” as the motiviation for my view. Clearly, I have no “hate” for cops. I just don’t support bad cops. Do you support bad cops? Do you hate the agents of the BATFE?

Wild Bill

Says you, and clearly you do hate cops. Not one commenter here that points to their experience as a leo escapes your reproach.

Russn8r

Nice try. I’m related to cops – good cops – not Oathbreakers. There are good ex-cops here who agree with me & get downvoted by you & your posse.

Wild Bill

My comment was not directed to you. Apparently you can not read very well either.

JSNMGC

“Says you” ~ Wild Bill

That’s right – that is my position and the truth.

“. . . and clearly you do hate cops.” ~ Wild Bill

That’s another one of your lies.

“Not one commenter here that points to their experience as a leo escapes your reproach.” ~ Wild Bill

That’s another one of your lies.

Do you support bad cops?

Do you hate the agents of the BATFE?

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Wild Bill

So everything that you write is true because you wrote it. Every other writer, that you do not understand, is an intentional deceiver. You are not in charge here, you are not an authority on anything, and based on your demonstration, you are a poor reader

JSNMGC

“So everything that you write is true because you wrote it. Every other writer, that you do not understand, is an intentional deceiver. You are not in charge here, you are not an authority on anything, and based on your demonstration, you are a poor reader” ~ Wild Bill There you go again. I know I don’t support bad cops. I know I support good cops. I know I am not a cop hater. You are the one who attempts to take charge here – with hypocrisy and double standards that have no end. Do you support bad cops? Do… Read more »

Wild Bill

What form does your support of good cops come in? What have you ever done for them?
What does a bad cop look like?

Russn8r

No, but you’re a one-trick civilian hater.

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JSNMGC

“Rev,as a matter of fact I didn’t mention knocking on any doors at all you did. You have to have a way to get the police involved in your bullshit. That’s right. How’s it going?” ~ .308snipings/Will Again, Will, you correct you did not mention knocking on doors. You wrote about sheep rolling over and complying and law-abiding citizens being disarmed. In the many locations throughout the United States where citizens have effectively been disarmed, who did it? For example, if someone carries a firearm on a NYC subway and they don’t have the political connections to get a carry… Read more »

Russn8r

Thug-TEX can’t help hisself. Gotta go poopy mouth. What did this girl do to “get police involved in her bulls#it”?

Wild Bill

He is a one trick pony.

Russn8r

Whereas you have many “tricks”, aka sock puppets. Too “cleaver” by half, TEX

Wild Bill

I am pretty sure that there is some unfilled need to be right or smarter than others in their personal lives, that continues to go unfulfilled. Something like … no one listens to them in their families. They are just there to pay the bills. I could be wrong.

Russn8r

Says the pompous, snippy B’ troll of Ammoland.

Deg4u

If everyone would stop replying to Russn8r and JSNMGC, they might just stop coming back to comment on here. Hopefully!

Russn8r

What if everyone like Deg4u stopped covering for Oathbreakers who enforce gun controls & murder civilians, thereby enabling them?

Wild Bill

More uncalled for abuse. What do you want everyone to leave? Then just you and your pal can have the site to yourselves.

Russn8r

Projection. You’re the abuser, the stalker, the cancel artist.

Wild Bill

I have tried that, but then there is no one to interrupt his abusing other commenters. But appreciate your input and your support.

Russn8r

Plan B is Ammoland whack-a-trolling your latest sock accounts again, TEX.

RegT

Here is a photo of a Turkish official (probably a muslim) tormenting a mother and her starving children with a piece of bread: https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/turkish-official-taunting-starved-armenians-1915/ The text with the photo claims it was doctored, which may be the case, but the condition of the mother and children obviously has not. They were starving to death, and they were reaching out for something, and logic tells us it had to be something important to this starving family. With their strength being almost gone (so little muscle tissue left) the only thing that would cause them to exert what little strength they had… Read more »

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Russn8r

Turkey still denies the genocide happened, let alone make restitution. They still persecute Christians & the world says nothing.

RegT

Don’t mean to sound bigoted, but – what would you expect from a bunch of muslims? The Armenians were/are “infidels”, and the qur’an tells the muzzies to kill them. Remember, those who behave like ISIS and Al Qaeda are ORTHODOX muslims. They are not – as the ignorant media would have us believe – “radical” muslims. They go by the very commands of the qur’an and the examples of the hadith. islam is a death cult filled with the perversions of their “prophet”. And the world is afraid to call the muslims what they are – sexually perverted killers of… Read more »

Russn8r

It’s not bigotry, just reality & honesty about fundamental Islam as written in the Koran & Hadiths. I refuse to buy anything from Turkey. Not all are bad, far from it, but the good ones are not loyal to their scriptures.

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RegT

Yes, and per the words of their “prophet”, a muslim who does not follow the commands of the qur’an is an apostate, and thereby _worse_ than an infidel, for the apostate has known the “truth” [yeah, right] but has refused to follow it. The good ones need to acknowledge that their so-called religion is a perverted fairytale, and choose a real religion to follow. Unfortunately, there are parts of islam that too many of them don’t want to give up – like the marrying of six or eight year old little girls whom they can “legally” penetrate at nine. [But… Read more »

RegT

In just about every country where registration was made law, it was followed by confiscation and then genocide – named “Democide”, because it was the mass killing of a country’s people by their own government. In Germany it was over 20 million (including the 6+ million Jews). In Russia, over 70 million of their people, including over 7 million Ukrainians in what is called the Holodomor – farmers who refused to join Stalin’s “cooperatives”, farms where the farmers had no say in what or how they farmed, and forced to give up their crops/livestock/etc. to “the collective”. Stalin sent troops… Read more »

Russn8r

“registration was followed by confiscation & Democide – mass killing of people by their own gvt.”

And Democide is never done by those who write the laws, but by their police & military ENFORCERS.

CourageousLion

Support Constitutional Sheriffs. If we can get men who will upset the apple cart in that position if ALL of the counties of America, willing to form posse militias and willing to stand up against ANY and ALL UN CONSTITUTIONAL mandates, laws or edicts, this cannot and will not ever happen. BTW…I posted a write up about those Constitutional Sheriffs and am wondering if Ammo Land never received it or if it is being spiked. http://cspoa.org

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CourageousLion

Ammo Land needs to make it so we can removed pictures that we find are not posting properly.

RegT

The hard part is that Sheriffs are pretty much all elected, and unfortunately some show far more support for those who helped put them in office – usually other politicians – than the real people they were elected to protect and serve – the people of their county.

Here in Montana – as in many other states, I’m sure – we have had both, and the ones sucking up to the politicians they “owe” often also suck up to the FBI, ATF, HS, etc. We have to work hard to get truly Constitutional Sheriffs elected.

Russn8r

Yeah, like a preview. Click it & you see a crisp pic. Would also be nice to fix a system glitch that creates confusion: If someone deletes a post or gets Whack-A-Trolled like WillTEXJesseFordBruce, replies shift up & look like they’re to someone else, causing irritation & explanations. A placeholder that said “post deleted” would fix it. Must be hard to adjust the program or surely they would’ve done it.

Russn8r

Sent a donation. Suggest edits on their Resolution: 1) Registration of personal firearms or firearm owners under any circumstances. 1a) Government-conducted “background checks”, which enable gunowner registration. 2) Confiscation of firearms without probable cause, due process (including recourse to speedy and fair trial by fully informed jury without voir dire against gun rights supporters), and constitutionally compliant warrants issued by a local or state jurisdiction. 6) Arrests with continued incarcerations without charges and complete due process, including, but not limited to public and speedy fair trials by fully informed jury without voir dire against gun rights supporters, in a court… Read more »

Bill

According to our NATO “ally”, Turkey, Never Happened; totally made-up. As if I would believe anything Erdogan and his bunch said/say!

Wass

This tale says as much about the promises of politicians as much as the dangers to a disarmed populace.

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JSNMGC

There is also a message regarding the people who actually enforced the gun laws, confiscated the guns, and tortured the people.

3%er

Wass,I agree because until something is done about the politicians not much will ever change. The really great news it that Constitutional Carry has become law in half the country now with many more to come. Them blue state politicians have got to go.

Wass

It is indeed heartening that firearms rights for the law-abiding seems to be expanding. But as President Reagan famously said: “Freedom doesn’t come from the genes, it could be extinguished in one generation”.Never underestimate the force behind the efforts of leftists. They flipped conservative states like California, New Jersey, Illinois, Connecticut, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington and some others. The fight will consume the rest of our lives.

RegT

It will never end because government always grows, and it constantly seeks to increase its power and control. That control can never be complete so long as the people are armed.

Russn8r

Except politicians don’t grab guns. Their Oathbreaker-enforcers do.

Russn8r

308snipings just got whack-a-trolled. All that work and by tomorrow no one will remember that sock. 🙁

JSNMGC

Was that the “Plan B” to which he referred?

Will, I mean MPL12550, good luck.

Russn8r

Apparently Ammoland’s Plan B, not the scary Plan B that 308snipings-TEX-Will-Bruce-Jesse-Ford-MPL12550 was threatening. Like a time-machine story, I’m already forgetting the sock name as if it never existed.

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JSNMGC

MPL12550 – 4/25/22: “Rev,two months pay . That’s a bargain too.” Reply to MPL12550: More death threats from MPL12550. You know all that other stuff you wrote (using your other accounts of Will and TEX) about giving two months pay to once again be in law enforcement so you fabricate a pretext for killing me is still out there. You really shouldn’t be writing these kinds of things. This is just political discussion, and you are giving people the idea that a certain percentage of people in law enforcement would use their authority to murder people with whom they disagree… Read more »

JSNMGC

MPL12550 – 4/25/22:

“Rev, you know you are but insist on denying it. Own up to it.”

Reply to MPL12550 (Will, Tex, .308Snipings, Jesse, Bruce, etc., etc.)

I’m not going to admit to something that’s not true. Is it frustrating for you to do this when you don’t have the benefit of being able to abuse the authority that was entrusted to you by the good people of Texas?

JSNMGC

MPL12550 – 4/25/22 “Rev,by the way the Montgomery County Sheriffs Dept. is having a reunion and fundraiser sometime in the first half June.(spec.date to be determined) I will see some really good people I worked with years ago. I’m sure looking forward to that. How’s it going?” You replied to my account, but used “Rev.” Have a great time. I have no doubt there are some great people there. It will be good for you to get out and socialize. You already asked me “How’s it going?” Are you ok? I saw that other fragment of a comment you posted.… Read more »

JSNMGC

Alex, a discussion of the “Special Organization” and an evaluation of Solzhenitsyn’s lament regarding the NKVD would have been interesting. I’ve discussed this with people who immigrated from Armenia and who now live in Glendale. They indicated their agreement with Solzhenitsyn but didn’t want to discuss it much. They just indicated the same dynamic that could have saved soviet citizens could have saved Armenians.

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David Tong

Who are the people who are constantly “thumbs down” this person? LEAVE HIM BE.

JSNMGC

I appreciate that, but the downvotes are funny. You’re going to get a story. However, the real reason is there are some retired LEOs and unconditional LEO supporters with hurt feelings. Supporting good LEOs is not enough for them – they want people to Back the Blue No Matter What They Do. They despise historical comparisons that illustrate the danger of those armed government employees who will follow any orders: Red coats (British colony in North America – King George III, Leslie, Cornwallis) Red Guard & Ministry of Public Security (China – Mao) NKVD (Soviet Union – Stalin) Allgemeine Schutzstaffel… Read more »

CourageousLion

There are no good LAW ENFORCEMENT officers. There are only good PEACE OFFICERS which is vastly different. LAW ENFORCEMENT officers will enforce the law no matter what. PEACE OFFICERS will look at the law and if the law goes against their oath of office they will NOT enforce it. That’s what CSPoA is all about. CONSTITUTIONAL SHERIFFS AND PEACE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. Screw law enforcers. They are no better than King Georges Red Coats.

RegT

We are usually called “law enforcement officers”, but we refer to ourselves as “peace officers” – those of us who took the job to help keep those we work for safe and protected – when we are allowed to do that job.

Tionico

Add to your list: NIcaragua, the three generations of US backed puppet Somozas, and after them the largely communist backed Daniel Ortega.

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Wild Bill

They are some of the many that he has brow beat and insulted. Some stand up against him. Others have left the site.

JSNMGC

There we go.

Russn8r

The browbeating, name-calling, projection, trolling & snark attacks are by you & your Oathbreaker pals, accusing others of your own disruptive behavior, without evidence, claiming to be offended by bad language & innuendo like prissy prudes while ignoring foul language & thug threats by your fellow Oathbreakers & sock puppets. You try to cancel anyone concerned about police abuse & ‘qualified’ immunity, who note that Oathbreakers – not politicians – enforce unconstitutional laws, orders & decrees. You’ve outed yourself as a drug warrior, and worse, boring.

JSNMGC

BTW, “you know who” is back and posting under three different accounts.

Russn8r

BruceTEXWillFordJesse? Are they new socks? Ammoland has him as a permanent whack-a-mole project. https://www.ammoland.com/2022/03/do-permits-to-carry-equal-gun-registration/#comment-2929721

JSNMGC

Ooops, I forgot about “Bruce.”

Yes, he’s got three new ones.

Russn8r

Re the link. WB’s Oathbreaker sock posse ganged up on an Ammoland staffer. 17 net downvotes, but probly well >20 gross. Surely mine’s not the only upvote.

What are the 3 new sock names? I’ve noticed before that somehow he washes his old ones. Came back as TEX a month or so ago after they whacked him, and they whacked him again.

JSNMGC

MPL12550

Let the other two play out a bit. You will see them.

Wild Bill

I have no posse of any kind. I would think that if someone “ganged up on an ammoland staffer” those persons would get booted. As this has not happened, it throws doubt on your credibility.

Russn8r

How coy! Most are sock pups who were booted with your thug mouth buddy TEXFordWillBruceJesse et ilk

Russn8r

Of course Wild Bill has no problem with his OWN F bombs, like below.
https://www.ammoland.com/2022/04/gun-control-nearly-wiped-out-my-people/#comment-2933055

CourageousLion

See what happens when you stand for the truth here? You get thumbs down by the trolls that frequent here that are slimy, stinking, low life, turds of human beings! Accept it as a badge of honor. I do. And so do most of the rest of us. Ammo land needs to let their names be next to their ratings just like Fascistbook.

Tionico

I justignore the downvotes. I never need to see the “score” to make a decision to agree/disagree with any given post. If I have a specific difference or viewpoint I may (or not) respond directly, as much to “set the record straight” or present a different perspective as to direclty address the content of the post. Have been doing that since lomg before the “score” thing tot installed. I just pay it no mind

JSNMGC

“Tionico,that’s definitely the best way to deal with downvotes just ignore them. It is very amusing though that many on the site view them as badges of honor,being over the target,amusing and even funny. But they always seem to be the first ones to bitch and complain about downvotes. Go figure. You’re right to just ignore them lol.” ~ MPL12550 Will/TEX/Jesse/Reb/MPL12550/et al. (including two more current accounts), Do you usually open carry? Does it bother you that LEOs aren’t the ones issuiing CC permits in FL? Do you really like Abbott? Do you think President Donald J. Trump won’t be… Read more »

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Russn8r

He doesn’t trash ‘the police’. When you protect Oathbreakers you own what it helps them get away with. I.e. your fellow Oathbreakers, TEX

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Russn8r

Yep. WillTEXJesseBruceFord308snipingsMPL12550 ain’t as “cleaver” as he thinks. LOL

JSNMGC

There’s at least one more he uses currently.

Just wait. He can’t help himself.

Russn8r

TEX: Too “cleaver” by half.

swmft

that is the best way

Russn8r

Sure thing, WillTEXJesseBruceFord308snipingsMPL12550 et ilk!

CourageousLion

Do you mean THIS dynamic??   And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative (enforcer), when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?    Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but… Read more »

JSNMGC

Yes.

The lament of every group of people who were persecuted by the armed government employees of their own country (see partial list above).

Tionico

Not enough AMERICANS have read Solchenitzyn. One of my favourite ccounts of Hitler’s tyranny in Europe was when his Sturmgewehr were despatched to “cleanse” a certain ghetto in Krawko. Turns out those wise and wily old Jews had “forgotten” to surrender their arms when so ordered. When the nazi troops showed up and started their “work” te men began FIRING UPON THEM with the contraband arms they’d secreted away. Those rough tough indominitable Nazi troops broke and ran, just as didGage’s men at the North Britdge at concord after only two volleys of musket fire from Isaac Davis’ Action Militiamen.… Read more »

Montana454Casull

As I read this article I see a comparison between the disarming of the Armenian’s and Brandon’s attempts to disarm Americans and I wonder just how far Democrats would go if they achieved thier goals of taking everyone’s guns here ? We the people need to stand up to tyrants and refuse to surrender our weapons and infact give anyone trying to take them a lesson in American history !

nrringlee

For a look at what the Progressive New Left intends for America and has intended for America for the past fifty years simply download and read the Prairie Fire Manifesto. This document, written by the former Weather Underground terrorists of the 1960’sand early 1970’s shows their game plan to conduct a cultural revolution, a marxist revolution in America. They have nearly accomplished their goals of incrementally subverting every institution in our once great Republic. Joe Biden is simply their front man for the final solution to conservative and free America.

swmft

obummer is openly friendly to the head of the weather underground ,someone who should be in jail not preaching

musicman44mag

Let’s add German history to the lesson too. I am one step away from full blooded German. My mother migrated from there after WW2. I know the stories firsthand of how it went down and what happened to the people both German and Jewish. This story is about the guns being taken away which is of utmost importance. I would like to add that after that happened, my mother lived in fear because her grandfather had a radio hidden in the attic and if he would have been caught with it, the whole family could have and probably would have… Read more »

CourageousLion

That lesson in history being Aim Small Miss Small.

Arny

I was & still am baffled as to how the NICS got passed. I was a young man then & could see what the intentions were. I have come to a simple conclusion. Most people are Stupid. lol

swmft

that is a given iq somewhere between 75 and 0

gregs

9th para, beginning with “Not discriminatory at the start.” the second sentence repeats.
arrested dead, so much for proof.
sent to court martial to be sentenced to death, so much for a trial.
evidently the turks had a national weapons database.
the lust for power to control others and hate are addictive and often overwhelming as we can see here.

Wild Bill

There is no profit in letting people be free. For example, look at the huge legal and seminar industry that has grown up around the FFL system. None of that would exist if we still bought our firearms at the Coast to Coast store, or Sears, or A1 hardware.

musicman44mag

Its SYNERGY run amok.

Arizona

All 23,000+ gun control infringements are unconstitutional and totally ineffective at their purported purpose. They do not reduce or control crime, nor are they actually intended to.

JSNMGC

I agree.

Unfortunately, some people will vote for people who will pass these laws.

Unfortunately, some people will pass these laws.

Unfortunately, some people will enforce these laws.

It takes all three groups.

JSNMGC

Some people, unfortunately, make excuses for the third group.

Stag

I would really like to know why it’s so difficult for people to acknowledge that the third group is the most responsible for infringing on rights.

JSNMGC

They don’t explain their views, they just respond with ad hominem comments, lies, and demands for “credentials.”

There is plenty of recent history. Why would anyone want to follow the paths of:

  • Red Guard & Ministry of Public Security (China – Mao)
  • NKVD (Soviet Union – Stalin)
  • Allgemeine Schutzstaffel & Gestapo (Germany – Hitler)
  • Social Security Ministry & State Security Department (North Korea – Kim family)
  • Angkar (Cambodia – Pol Pot)
  • GNB, PNB, FANB, FARC, & ELN (Venezuela – Maduro)
  • Various Australian Police Agencies (Australia COVID camps – Morrison)
  • Ottawa Police (Canada Trucker rally – Trudeau)
swmft

because they are guilty of having done it themselves

Nurph

Why? Because “bAcK tHe BlUe”. And this comes from a retired LEO’s Son. Blindly backing those that would subjugate you is what the ignorant do.

Russn8r

That sort of talk will get you targeted by the Oathbreaker Posse, son!

Wild Bill

“… at their purported purpose … ” That is a brilliant observation. When a legislature passes a statute purporting to address some problem, but really has some other intended purpose that is called lack of substantive due process, and renders the statute unconstitutional. We all have a civil Right to procedural due process (the police, prosecutor, and courts must follow Constitutional procedures e.g Miranda warnings etc.), and we all have a civil Right to substantive due process (the legislative body must follow proper procedures. For example, the Hughs Amendment was passed on a voice vote that many say failed, but… Read more »

musicman44mag

More gun control of a different type.

Woman found guilty of perjury for lying on Red Flag petition against CSU police officerSusan Holmes, the mother who unsuccessfully tried to use Colorado’s Red Flag gun law to disarm the officer who killed her son, was found guilty of perjury.

And they said it would never happen because of all the checks and balances put in place.

Hello OreGONEISTAN here is your example.

nrringlee

“Red Flag Laws” are now a standard extortion tactic in California family law cases. I have a dear friend who still practices in CA. She tells me these laws, on the books since 2015 are now boiler plate in custody and property settlement filings in divorce cases. Under CA law perjury in this particular filing is only a misdemeanor. That exemption was specifically crafted by the drafters to eliminate any accountability for lying in these complaints and depositions. Due process out the window. Here is the bottom line: if you are a gun owner in a progressive utopia like California,… Read more »

musicman44mag

E Pluribus Unum brother.

Finnky

False accuser may only face misdemeanor charges at criminal level, but that also makes conviction more likely. With a conviction, victim should be able to win a civil suit over the wrong deliberately done to them…

Of course if you are in California, good luck finding a jury sympathetic to your plight. They’re more likely to think you should be arrested for simple sin of being a gun owner.

Tionico

judge shopping is thus advisable…… a good lawyer will have the inside dope on WHICH court should hear the complaint.

Darkman

My 2nd Amendment Rights. Will either be the Life of me or the Death of me. Either way I will Die a Free Man.

swmft

amen

Wild Bill

I sincerely hope that you are right. I hope for the same fate, but Biden’s marxist handlers have f’ ed up America and the world so badly in a mere 15 months, that we could all see Chinese, North Korean, and Russian troops operating in our country before the end of Biden’s term in office.

nrringlee

Joe Biden has been a sock puppet for fifty years. His handlers are all dedicated Marxists. We can expect nothing but the very worst out of the Harris/Biden regime.

Wild Bill

Yep, I believe that you are right! Prepare to participate (whether one wants to participate or not!).

Russn8r

Of course YOUR F bombs are ok. Hypocrite much?

Wild Bill

You wish. A consonant an apostrophe, and an ending consonant does not equal much of anything. It could represent thousands of verbs, nouns, or adjectives. Jumping to a conclusion says more about you.

JSNMGC

Yes, just like when you claimed those “raging ah” didn’t mean those raging assholes. You just use “ah” a lot – you know, “raging ah.”

Wild Bill

Jumping to that conclusion says a lot about how your mind works, and that is why people down vote you.

JSNMGC

Is that why?

I think your starting to believe your own lies.

Those “raging ah” means raging ah
“f’ ed up” could mean almost anything

Ok.

Russn8r

You’re one b’ Oathbreaker, I’ll give you that. Now don’t jump the gun. B’ could be anything. e.g. BORING.